[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-02-19 Thread cliveb

NigelMSB Wrote: 
 They're £161.00 plus £10.00 postage and packing (both excluding VAT).
161 quid??!!! What planet are they on???

Try Maplins, order code L55BB. 15 quid. (They are radio (433MHz) rather
than IR if that's important).


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-02-19 Thread NigelMSB

cliveb Wrote: 
 161 quid??!!! What planet are they on???
 
 Try Maplins, order code L55BB. 15 quid. (They are radio (433MHz) rather
 than IR if that's important).
For me, it needs to be IR to tie in with the IR Blaster plugin (for
on-off with a SB2).  An RF switch and remote would be okay but since
the amplifier is just beyond the end of the bed I can always reach
forward and turn it off myself.  I'm looking for the geek solution -
one remote and no reaching forward (something like the Farside cartoon
about the perfect vine).


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-02-16 Thread NigelMSB

NigelMSB Wrote: 
 Just found this - a IR-controlled mains power socket that looks like
 it's for UK/240V:
 
 http://www.possum.co.uk/hc603c.htm
 I've emailed then to ask about UK availability and pricing, plus
 details of the IR protocol used.

They're £161.00 plus £10.00 postage and packing (both excluding VAT). 
They didn't send any information on the IR protocol used but at that
price I'll not bother asking again for that.

The search continues...


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-02-15 Thread oktup

You could try a oneclick power strip -
http://www.oneclickpower.co.uk/home.htm - it has one 'master' outlet
which controls power to all the others, depending on whether the
'master' is on or off. So turning off (on) the squeezebox would cut
(allow) power to the amp. I have one (for other purposes) and it's
great. The only issue would be whether the Squeezebox draws enough
juice for the oneclick to differentiate between when it's on and in
standby, if you see what I mean... if you can wait a week or two til I
get my SB3, I'll try it for you ;)

John Lewis sell them, I think £15-20 or something.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-02-14 Thread NigelMSB

Just found this - a IR-controlled mains power socket that looks like
it's for UK/240V:

http://www.possum.co.uk/hc603c.htm

I've emailed then to ask about UK availability and pricing, plus
details of the IR protocol used.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-01-08 Thread morrison12

seanadams Wrote: 
 Note the geekport output is 3.3V, not 5.
 
 There's a chance it might still trigger a 5v solid-state relay, but
 don't count on it.

Related to this, I'm assuming something akin to an IR Linc (see [1])
should be used to connect the output of a Squeezebox to the (the IR
input of) a Xantech system (e.g. a 789-44 connecting block)with the
Xantech system use of 12V ?  Unless one uses an emitter on top of a
receiver ?

Is this the case ?

Thanks,
James
[1]http://www.smarthome.com/8175.html


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-01-03 Thread Mark Lanctot

seanadams Wrote: 
 Note the geekport output is 3.3V, not 5.
 
 There's a chance it might still trigger a 5v solid-state relay, but
 don't count on it.

Going back to this post, a few of the Omron G3Ns I mentioned will
trigger at 4V.

Awfully close...but as Sean states, no guarantees.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-25 Thread Claus-DK

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 
 But right now (as of current firmware revision 28) there is no way to
 turn on the output permanently. A change in firmware is needed to
 achieve that.
 
 Felix

Anyone with knowledge on the status of this? Will this be possible in
future firmware?

Regards
Claus


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-20 Thread Mark Lanctot

jhwilliams Wrote: 
 I couldn't find a reliable component that would switch mains (240v here)
 from 5v. The nearest I got was a solid state device that could switch
 230v/3A.

Did you take a look at Omron's G3NA series?  See
http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T053/1395-1397.pdf

Every model has a variant that can use 5V as a trigger, switched
voltages are 264 VAC or more, currents are 5A all the way up to 90A.

Note: for higher currents you need a heatsink.

Digi-Key has a UK webfront, so it should be readily available, at least
in the UK.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-20 Thread jhwilliams

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
 Did you take a look at Omron's G3NA series?  See
 http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T053/1395-1397.pdf
 
 Every model has a variant that can use 5V as a trigger, switched
 voltages are 264 VAC or more, currents are 5A all the way up to 90A.
 
 Note: for higher currents you need a heatsink.
 
 Digi-Key has a UK webfront, so it should be readily available, at least
 in the UK.

Looks Perfect.

I'm in Australia, but same principle applies :)

Thanks for the link.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-20 Thread seanadams

Note the geekport output is 3.3V, not 5.

There's a chance it might still trigger a 5v solid-state relay, but
don't count on it.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-19 Thread hhoover

jhwilliams Wrote: 
 Hi Hugh - how much further did you get with this.
 
 I couldn't find a reliable component that would switch mains (240v
 here) from 5v. The nearest I got was a solid state device that could
 switch 230v/3A.
 

The specific part I was looking at was for US mains power (120V/8A) -
Sharp S102S01 - see
http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Sharp/Web%20Data/s102s01.pdf
The S202S01 should work just fine for 230V EU mains.

At this point, though, we've determined that the speakers / amplifiers
in question (the ones that would be switched) consume about 140ma
continuously - whether producing sound or not.  That level of
consumption converts to about $6.25 (~5.20 euros) per YEAR in excess
power cost.  So - any solution has to be REALLY low cost to pay off in
any reasonable time...

Felix's idea, while pragmatic, just grates against my elegance-meter...
It would certainly not be useful for a commercial solution.  I just
wouldn't really consider it unless it were my own hardware (which is
NOT the case here).


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-15 Thread jhwilliams

hhoover Wrote: 
 I have a friend who wants this or the equivalent, and I'm consulting
 on the design and construction.  The circuit, as shown, is pretty
 simple, but I think it could be simpler yet, BUT I need more info.
 If the circuit was designed to drive an IR emitter, then it should also
 be able to drive an appropriate SSR (solid state relay / optoisolated)
 since the input to those is an LED too - 1.2V, 8ma.  

Hi Hugh - how much further did you get with this.

I couldn't find a reliable component that would switch mains (240v
here) from 5v. The nearest I got was a solid state device that could
switch 230v/3A.

I also considered modifying a USB Powerboard - essentially a power
board that switches on when it detects a USB signal (+5v). They must be
using a similar component because it was 3A also.

So my current design has the 3A solid state device switching a mains
relay (which can do 10A). I'll probably buy a cheap digital timer
switch and modify that for the 10A portion.

Anyone else experimenting with this design?

p.s. Thanks for the clever idea Felix!


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-09 Thread fcm4711

Hi Hugh

You could open up your SB and add the circuit inside so you wouldn't
need an additional power supply. Or at least get power from inside your
SB.

Felix


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-09 Thread Jeff

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 You could open up your SB and add the circuit inside so you wouldn't
 need an additional power supply. Or at least get power from inside your
 SB.
 
 Felix

Fair suggestion, but I really hesitate to do this (Hugh's a friend and
is looking at this for me).

First, I have several Squeezeboxes, and would like to be able to use
any unit anywhere.  (Only some require this; those that are hooked up
directly to A/V systems don't need this.)

Second, this would almost certainly void any warentee from Slim
Devices.  They may not necessarily mind having folks open things up to
check seating, perhaps swap a display.  But modify the circuitry?  Hard
to imagine continuing hardware support in that situation ...

What I'd really like is some sort of dry contact type closure.  If
the unit is on, allow me to sense that via continuity across two
pins.  If the unit is off, continuity is lost.  If I had that, I
could use a standard Power Controller (relay based power), and be done
with it.  No circuitry required beyond what I've already got
(commercially available).


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-08 Thread hhoover

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi Hugh
 
 The output should be strong enough to do that. There is an internal
 resistance of about 50R (from the analog switch HC4066) but that should
 not impose a problem. I also do not see a problem having the output
 turned on all the time while SB is on.
 
 But right now (as of current firmware revision 28) there is no way to
 turn on the output permanently. A change in firmware is needed to
 achieve that.
 
 Felix

Thanks for the info!

The firmware change is a bummer...  Hopefully that will get done,
eventually.  There's a pretty big difference in parts count and
complexity between the circuit shown at gwendesign(dot)com (which
requires a small regulated power supply in addition) and just using a
solid-state relay.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-06 Thread fcm4711

Hi Hugh

The output should be strong enough to do that. There is an internal
resistance of about 50R (from the analog switch HC4066) but that should
not impose a problem. I also do not see a problem having the output
turned on all the time while SB is on.

But right now (as of current firmware revision 28) there is no way to
turn on the output permanently. A change in firmware is needed to
achieve that.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-12-01 Thread hhoover

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi all
 
 I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to
 decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here:
 
 www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch
 
 Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster
 mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or
 floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a
 relay.
 
 Cheers
 Felix

I have a friend who wants this or the equivalent, and I'm consulting
on the design and construction.  The circuit, as shown, is pretty
simple, but I think it could be simpler yet, BUT I need more info.
If the circuit was designed to drive an IR emitter, then it should also
be able to drive an appropriate SSR (solid state relay / optoisolated)
since the input to those is an LED too - 1.2V, 8ma.  However - I don't
know, and can't find any information about what the load limit is for
the driver.  Would such a load be a problem since it would be on
full-time while the squeezebox outputs are on?  An IR output is MUCH
more intermittent.
There would also likely need to be a change in the IRBlaster software
to drive a full-time ON state, rather than just enabling the
ground-sink.

TIA

Hugh


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-27 Thread fcm4711

Hi all

I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to
decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here:

www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch

Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster
mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or
floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a
relay.

Cheers
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-27 Thread N�stor

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi all
 
 I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to
 decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here:
 
 www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch
 
 Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster
 mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or
 floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a
 relay.
 
 Cheers
 Felix

Hi Felix, 

thats good news!   Will try to get someone to build that for me :-)

One question , is it possible to build some circuit to accept inputs
from two sources (lets say SB3 and a regular preamp) and output to the
same amplifier, without hurting the other source device when you are
using one of the sources? (ie, no current is allowed to go into SB3
when using the preamp as source)

Thanks!
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin O. Lepard
I replied earlier about an RF controlled switch 
that would turn the power on and off.  There 
wasn't much on the device itself (including a 
manufacturer name).  However, I saw another one 
at Home Depot the last time I was there.  It's 
made by a company called Commercial Electric 
and had product number 202-620 on it.


Kevin


fcm4711 Wrote:

 Hi all

 I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to
 decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here:

 www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch

 Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster
 mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or
 floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a
 relay.

 Cheers
 Felix


Hi Felix,

thats good news!   Will try to get someone to build that for me :-)

One question , is it possible to build some circuit to accept inputs
from two sources (lets say SB3 and a regular preamp) and output to the
same amplifier, without hurting the other source device when you are
using one of the sources? (ie, no current is allowed to go into SB3
when using the preamp as source)

Thanks!
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-27 Thread seanadams

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi all
 
 I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to
 decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here:
 
 www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch
 
 Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster
 mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or
 floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a
 relay.
 
 Cheers
 Felix

Nice!!!

Felix why do you spam-proof your URLs?


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-27 Thread fcm4711

seanadams Wrote: 
 Nice!!!Thanks! :)

seanadams Wrote: 
 Felix why do you spam-proof your URLs?Just a habit. This way I am hoping to 
 prevent some spam.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-23 Thread max . spicer

Thanks Dean.  Glad to hear you're not Sean - that would just be weird. 
;-)

Max

dean Wrote: 
 I'm not Sean, but I do have answer from him.
 
 The IR blaster dongles are just infrared LEDs at the end of a long  
 cable and are available from a number of sources, including us:
 
 https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi
 
 The output is from a CMOS driver going through CMOS switch and so it  
 has a bit of inherent resistance and is current limited and will  
 drive the LED directly, but will also work as a logic level output.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-23 Thread Duman

I'd love to buy my IR blaster from Slim Devices, but UPS Ground is
$11.17 to Connecticut (the Blaster costs $7.00).  Could this be a
mistake in the shipping calculation?  How about throwing it into a USPS
Priority Mail envelope and shipping it for a few bucks so I can remain
loyal to the cause?


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-22 Thread fcm4711

Hi there

I doubt the IR emitter I am using consists of more than the cable and
the IR LED. So, yes, the output is designed to drive an IR LED
directly.
But again, Sean knows for sure.

Felix

BTW: I've written down some information about IR Blaster here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?IRBlaster


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-22 Thread max . spicer

Sean, are you reading this and keeping quiet or not reading this?  Any
ideas on how I could get Sean's attention without at the same time
bugging him?

Max

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi there
 
 I doubt the IR emitter I am using consists of more than the cable and
 the IR LED. So, yes, the output is designed to drive an IR LED
 directly.
 But again, Sean knows for sure.
 
 Felix
 
 BTW: I've written down some information about IR Blaster here:
 http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?IRBlaster


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-18 Thread cooperised

Hi there,

I've just about sorted Max's PSU, and will post schematics when it's
done.  Two final questions:

1) What's the pinout of the headphone jack in IR blaster mode?  Is
power available there?

2) Does the squeezebox transmit true ITT, with a start pulse, end pulse
and 300uS lead-in/lead-out waits?  (see
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbp/knowledge/ir/itt.htm.)  I'm expecting the
answer 'yes' because the squeezebox seems to do most other things right
:-)

Thanks
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-18 Thread fcm4711

Hi Andy

cooperised Wrote: 
 
 1) What's the pinout of the headphone jack in IR blaster mode?  Is
 power available there?
 

If you look at a regular stereo-jack the tip (left channel) is IR
Blaster out, the next ring (right channel) is unused and GND follows.
ASAIK there is no power, but Sean can give you a definitv answer on
this.

cooperised Wrote: 
 
 2) Does the squeezebox transmit true ITT, with a start pulse, end pulse
 and 300uS lead-in/lead-out waits?  (see
 http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbp/knowledge/ir/itt.htm.)  I'm expecting the
 answer 'yes' because the squeezebox seems to do most other things right
 :-)
 

The answer is 'yes'. Actually it's dependent of the conf file. Firmware
only takes high/low pairs of times and turns the output on and off
accordingly. The format (header,code,trail,footer etc.) are put
together in the plugin. So if you define a 'header', 'trail' and
'footer' in the conf file you get true ITT.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-14 Thread fcm4711

Hi Chris,

I had a look at the pronto ccf file as I hoped it would give me the on-
and offtimes needed to put together a lirc.org file, but unfortunately
it's in pronto's internal format and not man readable.

Felix

lostboy Wrote: 
 There is a pronto ccf for the velleman IR codes from remotecentral.com,
 but I don't know how you could put these codes into the plugin.
 
 Chris


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-14 Thread lostboy

Thanks Felix, I had a good search for CCF to LIRC conversion/translation
etc., but haven't found anyone claiming to have found a way to do this.

If ever you need the info in the future there is a good explanation of
the pronto CCF hex format here
http://www.remotecentral.com/features/irdisp1.htm - but please don't
spend any more of your time on the velleman diversion as I don't think
we've any willing guinea pigs yet.  

However, if you're thinking of developing the IR plugin to load CCF
codes as well as LIRC then of course I wouldn't stand in your way :-)

Many thanks for the plugin - I'm looking forward to using it when I get
some more SBs.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-13 Thread abdomen

lostboy Wrote: 
 This follows up on abdomen's suggestion that a basic IR controlled mains
 switch would be the simplest way of doing this - at least for those of
 us who are not gifted with either the time or the skills to go
 cooperised's route (and sadly I have neither).
 
 After a little searching I found a velleman project kit (some simple
 assembly required!) which offers an IR controlled 240V 5A relay.  It is
 the K6713 available from CPC in the UK for £20 here 
 http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=HK00755N=411
 (you may have to click on this link twice to get the right page) and
 info here http://www.velleman.be/common/product.Aspx?lan=1id=9356 . 
 
 The next problem would be how to get the right IR code output from the
 IR blaster.  There is a pronto ccf for the velleman IR codes from
 remotecentral.com, but I don't know how you could put these codes into
 the plugin.
 
 Chris
Thanks for the research. I am in the U.S., but at least I now know such
a product is out there.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-13 Thread lostboy

Try www.vellemanusa.com - and the same part no.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-12 Thread lostboy

This follows up on abdomen's suggestion that a basic IR controlled mains
switch would be the simplest way of doing this - at least for those of
us who are not gifted with either the time or the skills to go
cooperised's route (and sadly I have neither).

After a little searching I found a velleman project kit (some simple
assembly required!) which offers an IR controlled 240V 5A relay.  It is
the K6713 available from CPC in the UK for £20 here 
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=HK00755N=411
(you may have to click on this link twice to get the right page) and
info here http://www.velleman.be/common/product.Aspx?lan=1id=9356 . 

The next problem would be how to get the right IR code output from the
IR blaster.  There is a pronto ccf for the velleman IR codes from
remotecentral.com, but I don't know how you could put these codes into
the plugin.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-11 Thread cooperised

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi Andy
 But there is a mode for remotes that do not use a carrier. The format
 is called ITT and consists of 20uS hightime and multiple of 20uS
 lowtime.
 
 To tell the firmware to send such an ITT impuls the hightime needs to
 be set to 1 and the lowtime can be set as needed. The result is a 20uS
 hightime (fixed) and the specified amount of lowtime.
 
 So it would be possible to send two different patterns for 'power on'
 and 'power off'.
 

Thanks Felix.  So how much does the firmware care about sticking to the
ITT standard?  Could I write something like

Code:


  begin remote
  name ampswitch
  bits   8
  flagsITT
  
  one   10  0
  zero  0  10
  
  begin codes
  power_on  0x55
  power_off 0x88
  end codes
  
  end remote
  


to send straight binary?  Assuming 10-bit codes are ok, this could even
be extended to add start/stop bits and send RS232-compatible codes. 
Would it work?

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-11 Thread fcm4711

Hi Andy

Unfortunately not. The IR code in the firmware is implemented as a ring
buffer of 50 32bit values. Each consisting of 16bit for high- and 16bit
for lowtime. There is a 'process' checking this ringbuffer and sending
out the IR bits (32bit values) accordingly.

Each IR bit is sent in one of three modes: high-low w/ carrier,
low-high w/ carrier or high-low w/o carrier.

The modes are triggered like this:
high-low w/o carrier (ITT): hightime = 1, lowtime = variable
low-high w/ carrier (RC5): hightime = variable, lowtime = 0
high-low w/ carrier (NEC): hightime != 1, lowtime != 0

So for ITT mode the hightime always needs to be set to one. The
firmware then set the IR Blaster output to high for about 20uS followed
by the lowtime where the output is set low.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-10 Thread cooperised

Hi,

I'm the friend of Max's who'll be building the PSU for his new amp.  I
thought I'd post my thoughts so far, having read through the options.

Ideally, of course, the amp power should cycle with the squeezebox
power, instantly and transparently - just as if the squeezebox
contained a power amp of its own.  Solutions involving another remote,
or even an unused button on the SB remote, just don't satisfy my sense
of neatness I'm afraid.  ;-)  The X10 route, though neat, is expensive;
it's also overkill for such a simple application IMHO.

In the absence of a geekport, I think I'll end up going down the IR
blaster route, with different codes for switch on and switch off - I
don't mind doing a bit of decoding, for example on a cheap PIC (the
6-pin 10F200 is 55 pence here in the UK).

Can anyone tell me more about the IR blaster?  How easy is it to send
custom codes at custom baudrates? And how much of its functionality is
in firmware?  For example, it would be useful to  disable the 38KHz
carrier, since I'll probably just hardwire the IR blaster output into
the PSU.  Is this possible?

For anyone who's interested, I'll be using an optoisolator and a triac
to switch the mains supply to the PSU (it's a cheap, small and silent
solution).  The same trick would work for any mains-powered device, so
I'll try to make the schematics available once it's built.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Andy


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-10 Thread fcm4711

Hi Andy

 Can anyone tell me more about the IR blaster? How easy is it to send
 custom codes at custom baudrates? And how much of its functionality is
 in firmware? For example, it would be useful to disable the 38KHz
 carrier, since I'll probably just hardwire the IR blaster output into
 the PSU. Is this possible?
 

IR Blaster works like this: For each bit in an IR command the plugin
sends a high/low time value (in microseconds/modulation) which tell the
firmware to send for hightime and wait for lowtime. The firmware also
applies the carrier during the hightime.

But there is a mode for remotes that do not use a carrier. The format
is called ITT and consists of 20uS hightime and multiple of 20uS
lowtime.

To tell the firmware to send such an ITT impuls the hightime needs to
be set to 1 and the lowtime can be set as needed. The result is a 20uS
hightime (fixed) and the specified amount of lowtime.

So it would be possible to send two different patterns for 'power on'
and 'power off'.

Power On: hightime(20uS), lowtime(10*20uS), hightime(20uS),
lowtime(10*20uS)
Power Off: hightime(20uS), lowtime(20*20uS), hightime(20uS),
lowtime(20*20uS)


Code:


  begin remote
  name ampswitch
  bits   2
  flagsITT
  
  one   1  10
  zero  1  20
  
  begin codes
  power_on  0x03
  power_off 0x00
  end codes
  
  end remote
  



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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-09 Thread fcm4711

Hi all

Here is an idea to (mis-)use IR blaster output to trigger a relay.
One could code a plugin sending out an IR signal constantly while SB2/3
is turned on. A little logic (timer) hooked up to the IR blaster output
detects the signal and turns the relay on for a couple of seconds. If
more IR signals arrive within time the relay stays on. As soon as the
SB2/3 is turned off no more IR signals are sent and thus the relay
turns off some seconds later.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-09 Thread max . spicer

Can't I just turn on on the first signal that I receive and off on the
2nd (and so on)?  The plugin would then just send a signal on power
state changes.  Are there any details on the outputs from the headphone
jack in this mode?

Max

fcm4711 Wrote: 
 Hi all
 
 Here is an idea to (mis-)use IR blaster output to trigger a relay.
 One could code a plugin sending out an IR signal constantly while SB2/3
 is turned on. A little logic (timer) hooked up to the IR blaster output
 detects the signal and turns the relay on for a couple of seconds. If
 more IR signals arrive within time the relay stays on. As soon as the
 SB2/3 is turned off no more IR signals are sent and thus the relay
 turns off some seconds later.
 
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-09 Thread fcm4711

Hi Max

This should be possible with a 'special' IR file that only consists of
one 'on' and 'one' off time (i.e. one bit). However the signal is
always modulated with about 38kHz which means on the output you get a
couple of pulses.
The other problem you get with this approach is that SB and amp can get
out of sync since you don't know if it's a 'power on' or a 'power off'
IR signal unless you also decode the signal.

Felix


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread cliveb

max.spicer Wrote: 
 Sadly this is way beyond my budget.  The power supply is designed to be
 a cheap alternative to a cheap plug in to the wall device i.e. around
 £20-£30.
I too was eagerly waiting for the geekport to enable me to toggle power
to my power amps, but gave up waiting. In the end, I lashed up a
solution using a configurable IR detector. (Taught it to respond to the
SLEEP button on the SB remote - which I wasn't using and seemed
appropriate for the purpose).

You're in the UK, right? So am I, and the simplest configurable IR
device I could find was a lampholder (which can be disassembled quite
easily with careful use of a craft knife). Maplin have them at £9.99,
order code L17BB. Of course, being designed for a lamp, you can't use
it as the direct feed for power amps - it's not rated for a high enough
current. So you have to use the output of the IR detector to control a
power relay. Maplin do a suitable one for £4.99, order code N24AW.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread NigelMSB

cliveb Wrote: 
 In the end, I lashed up a solution using a configurable IR detector.
 (Taught it to respond to the SLEEP button on the SB remote - which I
 wasn't using and seemed appropriate for the purpose).
 
I've been half-looking for something like this but off-the-shelf (not
really a DIY man).  Like an IR version of a 240V mains timer switch.
Ideally it'd take discreet on/off IR codes (rather than toggle) via the
IR blasting support in SB2s.  Of course, 5V from the geekport would be
even better (less to go wrong, etc.).


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread gonk

I have earlier looked for a remote power off to my hidden amplifier. I
think the simplest solution would be to turn off the digital outputs
when SB is turned off. It is a very simple task to build a circuit that
detects when the digital outputs are disabled.

My recomendation is to vote for this bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread cliveb

NigelMSB Wrote: 
 I've been half-looking for something like this but off-the-shelf (not
 really a DIY man).  Like an IR version of a 240V mains timer switch.
 Ideally it'd take discreet on/off IR codes (rather than toggle) via the
 IR blasting support in SB2s.  Of course, 5V from the geekport would be
 even better (less to go wrong, etc.).
You can get remote controlled 13A sockets in various packages from
Maplin (order codes L53BB, L55BB, L95AR, etc). They are radio rather
than IR controlled, though, and the handsets look pretty clunky. But if
you want something that'll work out of the box, they do the job.

I agree that a geekport signal is the neatest solution. How about it,
Slim Devices? Any progress on the SB2/3 geekport?


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread NigelMSB

A follow-up.  From what I can see, there's not much out there for
non-X-10, ready-made, infra-red power switches.  The closest I've found
is this:

http://cbav.com/ac-powerswitch.htm

No good (for me) since it's for the USA market.


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Re: [slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread kolepard
 I have earlier looked for a remote power off to my hidden amplifier.

I have an add-on outlet that I found at Home Depot.  It plugs in to the wall 
and then turns the power on and off using a small RF remote.  I don't use it 
with my stereo, though I cannot think of a good reason not to do so.  Something 
like that might work for you.

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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread trash

Jeff Coffler Wrote: 
 From: trash trash.1y5aqz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
 
  I would like to see this as well, except maybe something a bit more
  generic (i.e some simple serial communication style like plain
 serial
  port data (8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or I2C, or ???)
 
 I'm not convinced that this makes a whole lotta sense.  Realistically,
 if 
 you're doing RS-232 output, you'll want to go to some sort of a
 computer (be 
 it a special purpose computer - i.e. home automation controller, or a
 PC, 
 or whatever).
 
 If you're doing this, then you mind as well just grab what you need via
 
 SlimServer's CLI, which is VERY rich.  Indeed, I control my
 Squeezeboxes via 
 the CLI with a very rich interface.  See this:
 
 http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827
 
 for a screenshot.
 
 I'm after something much simplier.  I want *LOCAL* control (no
 computer) to 
 turn on an amp or something.  I'm not picky about what I get, as long
 as 
 it's simple.  If you give me an RS-232 port, that's pointless (I mind
 as 
 well just supply a dry contact via my home automation system), as I'd
 need 
 some sort of processor to interpret it.
 
 Lots of amps have trigger inputs to turn on.  That's all I'm after
 here.
 
 -- Jeff


This is in fact a great way of doing it.  You don't need a full blown
computer.  Any small microcontroller will be able to handle the serial
input and react in a certain way.  Over here in Canada anyways, some
PIC micros are less than $1 each!  And they are so low power that it
could probably run off the headphone jack (i.e in a stereo headphone
jack, the left could be the serial signal, and the right could be
constant on at max volume which, if I understand, would be around + 3
volts.)

Trash


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread abdomen

kolepard Wrote: 
  I have earlier looked for a remote power off to my hidden amplifier.
 
 I have an add-on outlet that I found at Home Depot.  It plugs in to the
 wall and then turns the power on and off using a small RF remote.  I
 don't use it with my stereo, though I cannot think of a good reason not
 to do so.  Something like that might work for you.
 
 Kevin
RF, not IR? In either case, I can't seem to locate the product online;
could you supply a link or more terms to search on?


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin O. Lepard

kolepard Wrote:

  I have earlier looked for a remote power off to my hidden amplifier.

 I have an add-on outlet that I found at Home Depot.  It plugs in to the
 wall and then turns the power on and off using a small RF remote.  I
 don't use it with my stereo, though I cannot think of a good reason not
 to do so.  Something like that might work for you.

 Kevin





RF, not IR? In either case, I can't seem to locate the product online;
could you supply a link or more terms to search on?


Yep, RF.

The only useful thing I can find on the box is Appliance Control Device
Model Number RC001.  The model number on the remote is TR-001.  There 
isn't even a manufacturer listed on either piece.  Sorry I can't be 
more specific.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-08 Thread abdomen

kolepard Wrote: 
 Yep, RF.
 
 The only useful thing I can find on the box is Appliance Control
 Device Model Number RC001.  The model number on the remote is TR-001. 
 There isn't even a manufacturer listed on either piece.  Sorry I can't
 be more specific.
 
 Kevin
 
Thanks for the helpful response! I was hoping RF had been a typo; a
cheap IR-controlled power outlet could be a practical solution given
the existing ir blasting capability. If anybody knows of such a thing,
I for one would be interested.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread trash

I would like to see this as well, except maybe something a bit more
generic (i.e some simple serial communication style like plain serial
port data (8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or I2C, or ???)

At least this way you can task the output of the geekport for what you
need, rather than just burning the port for a simple on/off switch.

Heck, the data out of the geekport doesn't need to be fast.  Anything
in the 1200-9600 baud range would be fast enough for turning on
switches/led's

Trash


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread max . spicer

What sort of price range are you talking here?  How much do the switches
and transmitters cost?

Max

lostboy Wrote: 
 I use the xpl support in slimserver to send messages indicating
 squeezebox status (on or off) to an xpl manager app on my server (same
 box as slimserver). This sends X10 commands through the mains to an X10
 switch connected to the amp's power.  All the hardware is available
 retail and plugs in.  The xpl apps are open source and need very simple
 scripting to set up the signal-response behaviour required.  I've found
 this reliable, the amp switches within a second of the SB changing
 state.
 
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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread lostboy

I use the xpl support in slimserver to send messages indicating
squeezebox status (on or off) to an xpl manager app on my server (same
box as slimserver). This sends X10 commands through the mains to an X10
switch connected to the amp's power.  All the hardware is available
retail and plugs in.  The xpl apps are open source and need very simple
scripting to set up the signal-response behaviour required.  I've found
this reliable, the amp switches within a second of the SB changing
state.

Chris


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread radish

max.spicer Wrote: 
 What sort of price range are you talking here?  How much do the switches
 and transmitters cost?
 
 Max

Basic plugin X10 switchable outlets can be had for $10-15 (at least
that's what I paid). Standalone switches (e.g. light switches) are a
similar price, the computer based controllers were more like $100 last
time I looked.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread lostboy

Max,

As a minimum you'll need

a) a computer to x10 mains interface - CM12U - £45

b) a mains switch for each amp - plug device is AM12U - £18 ea

prices above from www.laser.com - links to other suppliers at
www.automatedhome.co.uk

xpl downloads and info from www.xplproject.org.uk [including some CLID
apps which you could integrate through xpl to display on your SBs, PCs
and Tivos all at the same time :-)]

Chris


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Re: [slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread Jeff Coffler

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I would like to see this as well, except maybe something a bit more
generic (i.e some simple serial communication style like plain serial
port data (8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or I2C, or ???)


I'm not convinced that this makes a whole lotta sense.  Realistically, if 
you're doing RS-232 output, you'll want to go to some sort of a computer (be 
it a special purpose computer - i.e. home automation controller, or a PC, 
or whatever).


If you're doing this, then you mind as well just grab what you need via 
SlimServer's CLI, which is VERY rich.  Indeed, I control my Squeezeboxes via 
the CLI with a very rich interface.  See this:


http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827

for a screenshot.

I'm after something much simplier.  I want *LOCAL* control (no computer) to 
turn on an amp or something.  I'm not picky about what I get, as long as 
it's simple.  If you give me an RS-232 port, that's pointless (I mind as 
well just supply a dry contact via my home automation system), as I'd need 
some sort of processor to interpret it.


Lots of amps have trigger inputs to turn on.  That's all I'm after here.

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Re: [slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2005-11-07 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 16:20 -0800, Jeff Coffler wrote:

 I'm after something much simplier.  I want *LOCAL* control (no computer) to 
 turn on an amp or something.  I'm not picky about what I get, as long as 
 it's simple.  If you give me an RS-232 port, that's pointless (I mind as 
 well just supply a dry contact via my home automation system), as I'd need 
 some sort of processor to interpret it.
 
 Lots of amps have trigger inputs to turn on.  That's all I'm after here.

Most of these are just 5V, very low current sensors, which control some
real or solid state relay to fire up the 50 amp currents feeding the
amp.

Seems nearly trivial for a geekport hack.
Of course, I'm a software guy, don't let me near a soldering iron.



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