Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread andynormancx

I feel the need to point out that Pandora is only available in the US
and Canada and that last.fm isn't available everywhere either.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread atrocity

cavediver;325856 Wrote: 
 I chose wav for my archive format because I don't care about storage
 space as I have a lot and can add as much more when I need it. Storage
 is not expensive.

If a FLAC file is 60% the size of a WAV file, your storage device is
doing 40% less work serving up FLACs than WAVs.  It doesn't seem a
stretch to assume that will have an effect on drive longevity.  Storage
may indeed by cheap, but breakdowns are still annoying.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread CatBus

cavediver;326072 Wrote: 
 I've never really understood just what tags can do for someone or how
 they make a difference...I have mine orgainzed under a main Music
 folder and in subfolders by artist/album/tracks. They show up on the
 Squeezebox display just the same and I don't have any problem finding
 any music I want to listen to.

The main advantage under this scenario (i.e. you're already very
comfortable with file browsing) is that tags allow characters that are
illegal under many filesystems, such as question marks, etc.  Also,
being able to navigate to the same album via two paths (via genre OR
artist) can sometimes be helpful, and this is pretty much the only way
to handle multiple genres gracefully.  I actually like it because it
allows me to sort by last name WITHOUT having to make the display name
show lastname, first.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread maggior

cavediver;325856 Wrote: 
 I chose wav for my archive format because I don't care about storage
 space as I have a lot and can add as much more when I need it. Storage
 is not expensive. And with wav files, I can convert them to any format
 I want or need at the time. 
 
 Ok, the tags thing. I've never really understood the tags issue. What
 is a tag and what does it do for me? With my Squeezebox setup I have
 now, I don't see any difference with the wav files or the flac files.
 They both look and play the same.

A significant reason to use FLAC over wav has nothing to do with tags,
but with data integrity.  FLAC has a built in checksum to validate the
integrity of the data within.  wav has no such thing.

Why would you care?  Well suppose one day you find that your memory has
gotten flakey and that it is affecting the integrity of the data on your
disc.  How will you validate all of your wav files?  Unless you've
archived md5s from when you ripped them, you won't be able to.  With
FLAC, you can run a utility to scan your entire music collection and
identify any files that have become corrupted.

This may sound like an unlikely scenario, but it isn't to me - I've
experienced this.  It was not fun, but thankfully I was able to easily
and quickly ID what files had problems and rerip only them.  Otherwise,
my entire music library would have been suspect.

Given the tagging, compression, and data integrity checks, FLAC is just
a more robust format than WAV in general.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread MrSinatra

thats very cool.

what compression ratio do you get with flac?  i love that a 256 mp3
will  give me a 7 to 1 ratio, i can't tell the difference.

still, i've been thinking about re-encoding some of my fave albums,
just a select few, as flac.  do i need a flac exe for eac like i need
lame.exe?  will i also need a flac dll the way i use a lame dll?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-05 Thread maggior

MrSinatra;326530 Wrote: 
 thats very cool.
 
 what compression ratio do you get with flac?  i love that a 256 mp3
 will  give me a 7 to 1 ratio, i can't tell the difference.
 
 still, i've been thinking about re-encoding some of my fave albums,
 just a select few, as flac.  do i need a flac exe for eac like i need
 lame.exe?  will i also need a flac dll the way i use a lame dll?

The current releases of EAC have the FLAC encoder in the package.  It
also has the configuration for the FLAC encoder already set up.  I was
never able to get it to work in older releases.

You just hit shiftF5 and you will have tagged FLAC as output.  You
can even configure the number of concurrent encoding processes.  I
stick with one on my machine even though it is hyperthreading.  Perhaps
a dual core machine would handle it better.

I only use FLAC for my archive - my library that I listen to is mp3 so
I can use it with my iPod.  I encode at 192K and I really can't tell
the difference.  I've never sat down to do a scientific A/B test
because I'm afraid I will hear a difference :-).  But if I did, I'm
sure it would be subtle.

The compression ratio I get is on average probably around 40% - not
even 2:1.  But is still beats archiving uncompressed WAV data.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

Nonreality;325746 Wrote: 
 Well Pandora is a service that you pick your artist that you want or
 song and that becomes a seed that determines how it picks others
 artists and songs.  It becomes a radio station that you pick how you
 want it to go.  I did one that had Josh Ritter and Neil Young and a
 couple of more like artists.  Then all you do is hit play and you have
 a radio station that plays some music that you like.  It's great fun
 and lets you hear some music that you probably never would have know
 about.  It blends the artist that you pick plus new ones that fit the
 genre. It's great when you really don't want to sit and pick stuff to
 play and just want to hit play and go on with life.  Last fm works a it
 like it but whatever you play get's submitted to the site and you can
 see your playing tendencies.  Then you can play back your own library
 from their site and add other artists that they recommend.  It's fun
 because you get to see a lot of stats on what you listen to and then
 get some new artists to listen to. Both are a lot of fun.  I've
 probably not done justice to them but trust me, you will probably get
 hooked if you try them.
 
 Also you get so many internet radio stations that sound very good.  I
 thought from my experience on the computer that they would sound crappy
 and didn't even try them for a while.  Once I did my opinion changed and
 actually it's not bad at all. Radio stations from all over the world.

Ok. This sounds interesting. Where does it pull the music from? And is
it streaming mp3s or flacs or what?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

Nonreality;325747 Wrote: 
 One more thing as I'm on a roll.  You really need to give up on the wav
 thing and get dbpoweramp and go with flac only.  Much better tags and
 you'll save a half your space.  The tags are the important thing.  No
 reason at all for wav on a computer.  You can convert them all in one
 conversion with dbpoweramp and then as you rip you can get real
 accurate tags that will work great without much work on your part. 
 Much better in the long run.

I chose wav for my archive format because I don't care about storage
space as I have a lot and can add as much more when I need it. Storage
is not expensive. And with wav files, I can convert them to any format
I want or need at the time. 

Ok, the tags thing. I've never really understood the tags issue. What
is a tag and what does it do for me?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread MrSinatra

i think wavs have very limited tagging abilities compared to other
formats, but i may be wrong.  i'm also not sure what apps support
tagging wavs.

tags are just data in a special padded section of the audio file that
identify many things about it, ie. artist, title, album, genre, year,
etc...

one other consideration about wav isn't just data storage size, but bw
use.  wavs require a lot of bw compared to other formats.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread jfo

cavediver;325856 Wrote: 
 I chose wav for my archive format because I don't care about storage
 space as I have a lot and can add as much more when I need it. Storage
 is not expensive. And with wav files, I can convert them to any format
 I want or need at the time. 
 
 Ok, the tags thing. I've never really understood the tags issue. What
 is a tag and what does it do for me? With my Squeezebox setup I have
 now, I don't see any difference with the wav files or the flac files.
 They both look and play the same.

You can convert FLAC to any format you want also, including back to
WAV. db poweramp will handle everything for you including adding tags,
artwork, replaygain, conversion to multiple formats at the same time,
etc. 
You're right, storage is cheap, but why use 40% to 50% more than you
really need for no advantage?  
What are you using to rip?

Jim


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

jfo;325945 Wrote: 
 You can convert FLAC to any format you want also, including back to WAV.
 db poweramp will handle everything for you including adding tags,
 artwork, replaygain, conversion to multiple formats at the same time,
 etc. 
 You're right, storage is cheap, but why use 40% to 50% more than you
 really need for no advantage?  
 What are you using to rip?
 
 Jim

I've been using EAC to rip to wav.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

MrSinatra;325877 Wrote: 
 i think wavs have very limited tagging abilities compared to other
 formats, but i may be wrong.  i'm also not sure what apps support
 tagging wavs.
 
 tags are just data in a special padded section of the audio file that
 identify many things about it, ie. artist, title, album, genre, year,
 etc...
 
 one other consideration about wav isn't just data storage size, but bw
 use.  wavs require a lot of bw compared to other formats.

But, why should I care about imbedded tag data including artist, title,
album, genre, year, etc. 

And why should I care about bandwidth. The Squeezebox doesn't have any
problems with the wav files. My network doesn't have any problems with
them. I have more than enough bw to anything I want at any time. I care
about high quality uncompressed audio and want my files to be as high
quality and as close to the source as possible.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread jfo

cavediver;325947 Wrote: 
 I've been using EAC to rip to wav.

I used EAC for years to rip, Tag and Rename to get artwork, dbpoweramp
to convert to MP3, and Foobar to add replaygain( album gain) I recently
switched to the current version of dbpoweramp since it does all of the
above and more...very simple to use and much more convenient. 

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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread MrSinatra

i can't tell you why you should care, but i can tell you that i care
about having the tag data b/c i have a very large collection of music
and the tag data not only helps me organize it and keep track of it,
(what version something is, where it came from), but it also allows me
other functions such as replaygain that allow me to maintain
essentially a consistent volume in a random mix without altering the
actual music data.

to each his own, but i couldn't get by without tags.

as to bw, if your situation ever changes or if you ever want to share
your music (to others) or even take it portably somewhere, it matters.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread GeeJay

I can't imagine NOT needing tags, but to each his own I guess.  Being
able to maintain consistent volumes (ReplayGain), ratings
(TrackStat)are extraordinarily important to me.  CustomSkip is another
must have, as it allows me to filter out particular genres, years,
etc.

If you haven't missed having tags up to now, I'm not sure anyone here
is going to sell you on it...but most folks find them extremely useful.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

MrSinatra;325978 Wrote: 
 i can't tell you why you should care, but i can tell you that i care
 about having the tag data b/c i have a very large collection of music
 and the tag data not only helps me organize it and keep track of it,
 (what version something is, where it came from), but it also allows me
 other functions such as replaygain that allow me to maintain
 essentially a consistent volume in a random mix without altering the
 actual music data.
 
 to each his own, but i couldn't get by without tags.
 
 as to bw, if your situation ever changes or if you ever want to share
 your music (to others) or even take it portably somewhere, it matters.

I'm only asking these questions because I've never really understood
just what tags can do for someone or how they make a difference. How do
tags help you organize your music?

I have mine orgainzed under a main Music folder and in subfolders by
artist/album/tracks. They show up on the Squeezebox display just the
same and I don't have any problem finding any music I want to listen
to.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

GeeJay;326071 Wrote: 
 I can't imagine NOT needing tags, but to each his own I guess.  Being
 able to maintain consistent volumes (ReplayGain), ratings
 (TrackStat)are extraordinarily important to me.  CustomSkip is another
 must have, as it allows me to filter out particular genres, years,
 etc.
 
 If you haven't missed having tags up to now, I'm not sure anyone here
 is going to sell you on it...but most folks find them extremely useful.

Replaygain is something I have some interest in, but in the last year
since I've been actively ripping and listening to my music via a
Squeezebox, I haven't really needed it. What are ratings?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread GeeJay

Erland's TrackStat allows you to rate your music, typically on a scale
of 1 to 5.  If you really like a song or album, you give it a 5, if you
don't you give it a 1.

The ratings come in handy if you also use his CustomSkip plug-in.  For
example, I have a random song playlist that will skip anything rated a
1, will skip 2s 75% of the time, etc., with 5s being played anytime
they come up in the mix.  That way my random playlist is heavily
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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread cavediver

GeeJay;326078 Wrote: 
 Erland's TrackStat allows you to rate your music, typically on a scale
 of 1 to 5.  If you really like a song or album, you give it a 5, if you
 don't you give it a 1.
 
 The ratings come in handy if you also use his CustomSkip plug-in.  For
 example, I have a random song playlist that will skip anything rated a
 1, will skip 2s 75% of the time, etc., with 5s being played anytime
 they come up in the mix.  That way my random playlist is heavily
 weighted towards songs I like.

Now this sounds interesting. Do you rate the song using the Squeezebox
remote while or just after playing a song?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread Nonreality

cavediver;326072 Wrote: 
 I'm only asking these questions because I've never really understood
 just what tags can do for someone or how they make a difference. How do
 tags help you organize your music?
 
 I have mine orgainzed under a main Music folder and in subfolders by
 artist/album/tracks. They show up on the Squeezebox display just the
 same and I don't have any problem finding any music I want to listen
 to.It's more about having different ways to access your music than
organize.  If you were in the mood for say folk music you could just
pull up all of your folk music and do a random mix of just folk.  Maybe
you want to hear just some 70's music, there you go.   Tags let you take
advantage of having your music on your computer.  Right now you are just
taking advantage of a small percent of what you could do.  It's hard to
explain, but once you start using it all most people start to see the
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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread GeeJay

cavediver;326082 Wrote: 
 Now this sounds interesting. Do you rate the song using the Squeezebox
 remote while or just after playing a song?

Both.  Particularly with the IR remote, it's easy to rate a song while
it's playing (e.g., press and hold the 5 button if you want to give
the song a 5 rating).  You can do the same thing with the Duet
Controller, but it's a bit more involved.

TrackStat also allows you to go back and rate songs earlier in the mix
(or even those that aren't on the playlist).  You can also rate songs
in MusicIP and import them to SC (and vice versa), which is an easier
way to mass rate songs.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-04 Thread Nonreality

Oh btw you have enough ideas now, it's in your hands if it's worth it or
not.  You can see most here feel it is but still if you want to take
advantage or not is up to you.  Have fun.


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[slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread cavediver

I need some advice on whether to upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not.
I'm currently running Slimserver 6.5.5 - 12852  SB3 over a wired
network and have not had any problems. Everything just works without me
having to think about it. I only listen to music from my music
collection stored on my server. I do not use any of the radio or online
functions. 

Would I benefit from upgrading to Squeezecenter 7.1 and what benefits
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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread MrSinatra

i think you should, but many here will say if it ain't broke don't fix
it.

but, why not just try it out, and if you don't like it, revert?

also, u may want to uninstall your current ver b4 going to the new one.
i would try to do a totally clean install.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread maggior

cavediver;325552 Wrote: 
 I need some advice on whether to upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not.
 I'm currently running Slimserver 6.5.5 - 12852  SB3 over a wired
 network and have not had any problems. Everything just works without me
 having to think about it. I only listen to music from my music
 collection stored on my server. I do not use any of the radio or online
 functions. 
 
 Would I benefit from upgrading to Squeezecenter 7.1 and what benefits
 would I see?

If your music collection is mp3 encoded with LAME, then you will want
to upgrade.  LAME mp3s now play *completely* gapless.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread cavediver

maggior;325613 Wrote: 
 If your music collection is mp3 encoded with LAME, then you will want to
 upgrade.  LAME mp3s now play *completely* gapless.

My music collection is 80% wav and 20% flac.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread Nonreality

cavediver;325625 Wrote: 
 My music collection is 80% wav and 20% flac.

If you're not going to take advantage of any of the new stuff then I
probably wouldn't in your case. But things like Pandora and lastfm are
very good and you might find that you really like having that choice.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread cavediver

Nonreality;325640 Wrote: 
 If you're not going to take advantage of any of the new stuff then I
 probably wouldn't in your case. But things like Pandora and lastfm are
 very good and you might find that you really like having that choice.

What are Pandora and lastfm?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread amey01

FF/REW that works is a reason to upgrade. 

Is that in the 7.1 release, or one of the nightlies?


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread dazbarber

I upgraded from 7.0.1 earlier today having also downloaded the latest
weatherdatetime screensaver (as I knew that the old version was
incompatible).
However, many of my other regularly-used plugins were incompatible so
I've downgraded again - for the first time ever.  
I think I'll be staying on 7.0.1 unless a future OS change forces me to
upgrade.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread amey01

OK - the time has come. I'm going to do it!

Now, I'm currently on 6.5.4. What is the best way to ensure I can go
back if I need to? I mean, same plugins, same database, same
everything!

How do I ensure I can get it back exactly - I don't have any disk
imaging software.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread Nonreality

cavediver;325652 Wrote: 
 What are Pandora and lastfm?Well Pandora is a service that you pick your 
 artist that you want or
song and that becomes a seed that determines how it picks others
artists and songs.  It becomes a radio station that you pick how you
want it to go.  I did one that had Josh Ritter and Neil Young and a
couple of more like artists.  Then all you do is hit play and you have
a radio station that plays some music that you like.  It's great fun
and lets you hear some music that you probably never would have know
about.  It blends the artist that you pick plus new ones that fit the
genre. It's great when you really don't want to sit and pick stuff to
play and just want to hit play and go on with life.  Last fm works a it
like it but whatever you play get's submitted to the site and you can
see your playing tendencies.  Then you can play back your own library
from their site and add other artists that they recommend.  It's fun
because you get to see a lot of stats on what you listen to and then
get some new artists to listen to. Both are a lot of fun.  I've
probably not done justice to them but trust me, you will probably get
hooked if you try them.


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Re: [slim] Should I upgrade to Squeezecenter 7.1 or not?

2008-08-03 Thread Nonreality

cavediver;325625 Wrote: 
 My music collection is 80% wav and 20% flac.
One more thing as I'm on a roll.  You really need to give up on the wav
thing and get dbpoweramp and go with flac only.  Much better tags and
you'll save a half your space.  The tags are the important thing.  No
reason at all for wav on a computer.  You can convert them all in one
conversion with dbpoweramp and then as you rip you can get real
accurate tags that will work great without much work on your part. 
Much better in the long run.


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