Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;625059 Wrote: Thank you. I will download inSSIDer, I will let you know what it finds. There are some wireless cards that are negatively affected by inSSIDer. My netbook went flakey when I installed it and returned to normal once it was removed. -- tedfroop Good judgement is the result of experience ... Experience is the result of bad judgement. tedfroop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
tedfroop;625168 Wrote: There are some wireless cards that are negatively affected by inSSIDer. My netbook went flakey when I installed it and returned to normal once it was removed. one can also try vistumbler or netstumbler. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
garym, a player in the master closet isn't a bad idea :-) Since I've got all my players steaming FLAC's while all synch'd I've been ripping my CD collection that was previously all MP3's to FLAC. I got as far as The Best of the Counting Crows when I hit a 57mb FLAC and the players started to hiccup again. So... (don't laugh) but the G-AP I bought had dropped to $17 so I bought another. I now have the N-AP on channel 1, the second G-AP on channel 6 and the latest G-AP on channel 11. I have three players connected to each AP and the 57mb file plays fine. The only side effect I've discovered is that my HTPC's wireless Adesso keyboard lags big time when the players are streaming. Not sure if I'll be able to fix that unless it's a channel conflict but, I've always heard never use a channel for an AP other than 1, 6 or 11. Thoughts? -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
I am probably missing something here and it would not be the first time. What is the reason for converting MP3 to FLAC ? Once a file has been converted to a lossy format, converting it to a lossless format would not improve sound quality and just increase file size. -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
dasmueller;625045 Wrote: I am probably missing something here and it would not be the first time. What is the reason for converting MP3 to FLAC ? Once a file has been converted to a lossy format, converting it to a lossless format would not improve sound quality and just increase file size. Unless I'm mistaken, he's re-ripping CDs to FLAC (instead of his previous rips of CD to mp3). NOT converting from mp3 to FLAC. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;625039 Wrote: I got as far as The Best of the Counting Crows when I hit a 57mb FLAC and the players started to hiccup again. The size of the file should really have nothing to do with Squeezebox's ability to stream it. You stream a little until the buffer fills sufficiently, then as the buffer runs out, you stream a little more, play, stream, buffer. The size of the file is so much bigger than the buffer that it should matter little if it's a 5 MB file or a 57 MB one. The only side effect I've discovered is that my HTPC's wireless Adesso keyboard lags big time when the players are streaming. Not sure if I'll be able to fix that unless it's a channel conflict but, I've always heard never use a channel for an AP other than 1, 6 or 11. Thoughts? That's just bad advice. You should operate on whichever channel is cleanest. Channels 1, 6 and 11 don't overlap, so in your case, where you're using three distinct channels on three APs, it may be the best choice, but if you were running just one or two APs in an areas where other wireless networks might interfere then some other channels may be better. Try running a program like inSSIDer on a laptop to get a good idea of which channels are being used around you. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
garym;625047 Wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, he's re-ripping CDs to FLAC (instead of his previous rips of CD to mp3). NOT converting from mp3 to FLAC. You are correct. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
JJZolx;625048 Wrote: The size of the file should really have nothing to do with Squeezebox's ability to stream it. You stream a little until the buffer fills sufficiently, then as the buffer runs out, you stream a little more, play, stream, buffer. The size of the file is so much bigger than the buffer that it should matter little if it's a 5 MB file or a 57 MB one. That's just bad advice. You should operate on whichever channel is cleanest. Channels 1, 6 and 11 don't overlap, so in your case, where you're using three distinct channels on three APs, it may be the best choice, but if you were running just one or two APs in an areas where other wireless networks might interfere then some other channels may be better. Try running a program like inSSIDer on a laptop to get a good idea of which channels are being used around you. Thank you. I will download inSSIDer, I will let you know what it finds. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;623801 Wrote: So you guys are mind readers too :-) I do have a couple rooms without players and the only reason I don't get additional players now is I have a feeling there are some newer model(s) coming out soon with the Boom apparently being EOL. I do have a Duet that needs a sound system and I'm looking for something (considering Onkyo HT-S9300THX). The room the Duet will be located in has easy access to a switch so it will be hard wired. depending on where, and what type of system, don't discount something like attaching powered speakers to a touch or sb3/duet, etc. I use Audioengine A5's at the weekend place connected to a touch, and for the price and simplicity the sound is very good. I use audioengine A2s at work on my computer, and I think these could easily fill a small room with good sound. Again, this is not a midfi system, but it, in my opinion, is way better than the boom audio. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;623588 Wrote: Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know the recommended solution worked like a charm and I'm happy as can be. Thanks for the help! Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) +1. Enjoy! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) So you guys are mind readers too :-) I do have a couple rooms without players and the only reason I don't get additional players now is I have a feeling there are some newer model(s) coming out soon with the Boom apparently being EOL. I do have a Duet that needs a sound system and I'm looking for something (considering Onkyo HT-S9300THX). The room the Duet will be located in has easy access to a switch so it will be hard wired. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) I'm covering 2600 sq. ft. with 5 players. Anyone who says you don't need at least 500 wpc lies. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
The cheap $20 TP-Link access point arrived today. I configured so it had an IP address of the very last IP in my main routers DNS pool. I disabled DNS on the new AP and set the default gateway and DNS servers to the IP of the main router. The main AP is using channel 1 so I set the new AP to use channel 11. I gave the new AP a very appropriate name (SqueezeBox), set it to use the same security type with the same password and then applied the settings. I verified I was able to connect to the new AP using my phone and could get online. I then ran a cable so the new AP is positioned about in the middle of the house. I left the three booms connected to the main AP, and one at a time changed each of the five radios over to the new AP. After configuring a radio I played a FLAC that would fail before and repeated with another radio until they were all connected. When it was all said and done, all five radios, three booms and the touch were streaming my large FLAC files throughout the house without a hiccup!! Another observation is that my controllers seem to refresh faster, maybe due the additional bandwidth available now? Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know the recommended solution worked like a charm and I'm happy as can be. Thanks for the help! -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;623588 Wrote: The cheap $20 TP-Link access point arrived today. I configured so it had an IP address of the very last IP in my main routers DNS pool. I disabled DNS on the new AP and set the default gateway and DNS servers to the IP of the main router. The main AP is using channel 1 so I set the new AP to use channel 11. I gave the new AP a very appropriate name (SqueezeBox), set it to use the same security type with the same password and then applied the settings. I verified I was able to connect to the new AP using my phone and could get online. I then ran a cable so the new AP is positioned about in the middle of the house. I left the three booms connected to the main AP, and one at a time changed each of the five radios over to the new AP. After configuring a radio I played a FLAC that would fail before and repeated with another radio until they were all connected. When it was all said and done, all five radios, three booms and the touch were streaming my large FLAC files throughout the house without a hiccup!! Another observation is that my controllers seem to refresh faster, maybe due to the additional bandwidth available now? Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know the recommended solution worked like a charm and I'm happy as can be. Thanks for the help! Excellent ! You may also find that controllers like to control players that are attached to the same AP. If this is an issue, just change the controller to another player since your setup is usually synced. Again, if the players wander back to the first AP, do a factory reset and then point them appropriately. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
Yeah, nine players might be pushing it for WiFi, especially if bandwidth is being utilized by any other devices. Is there a magic number of players that does work, then adding one additional player to that Sync group pushes it over the edge? That would likely point to bandwidth issue. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
JJZolx;622837 Wrote: Using the same SSID should give you the ability to roam. You can connect your laptop, for instance, and walk from one end of the house to the other and it should switch seamlessly from one access point to the other. Or, you could move a Squeezebox Radio to another area of the house without having to redo its network configuration. If that's not needed, then you could use two different SSIDs and be certain which one any given device is connecting to. Yes, this is exactly how my setup works for my laptops and battery operated radios that I move around. (same SSID) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
Thanks for all the replies on this. I have another wireless AP on the way and will let everyone know how it works out when it gets here next week and I've had a chance to run a cable and configure it. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
toby10;622866 Wrote: Yeah, nine players might be pushing it for WiFi, especially if bandwidth is being utilized by any other devices. Is there a magic number of players that does work, then adding one additional player to that Sync group pushes it over the edge? That would likely point to bandwidth issue. Yes, that is exactly what happens. Turning off the player that pushes it over the edge will allow smooth playback again. I'm 99.999% certain it's a bandwidth issue. Hopefully the new AP everyone has suggested will solve the issue and I'll know next week. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;622833 Wrote: Yes, what you say makes a LOT of sense. I think for a short term solution I'll install LAME and limit the bitrate when I want all the players on, then look into running CAT5 to a second AP on a different channel. I can see that being a decent long term solution. I'll just get a decent G router for this purpose and it would be super cheap. I guess my question would be, if both AP's are using the same SSID on different channels, will only one be visible since they are using the same name? And, how do you know which AP you're connecting to? There seems to be one vote for the same name and one for using a different name. In my experience, the hardware players will stubbornly connect to the original instance even when there is an identically named AP 8 feet from the receiver. The only way to force the player to talk to the closer/stronger signal was to power-off the other AP. After a restart of SBS, they wander right back to the original AP. Hence my suggestion of different names. I have no problems wandering around with my boom. Apparently it remembers more than a single AP. Roaming with a laptop should not present an issue with different names: just configure both connections to auto-start. On your first laptop connection to the new AP, be sure to change the network type to private so the players will be able discover the SBS machine. On the DHCP issue, I have my DSL modem running the only DHCP server on the network (all the AP DHCP's are disabled.) This provides a single DHCP client list and prevents multiple network syndrome. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
pski;622947 Wrote: In my experience, the hardware players will stubbornly connect to the original instance even when there is an identically named AP 8 feet from the receiver. They obviously remember it based on MAC address and they are not smart about signal strength. The only way to force the player to talk to the closer/stronger signal was to power-off the other AP. After a restart of SBS, they wander right back to the original AP. Hence my suggestion of different names. I have no problems wandering around with my boom. Apparently it remembers more than a single AP. Roaming with a laptop should not present an issue with different names: just configure both connections to auto-start. On your first laptop connection to the new AP, be sure to change the network type to private so the players will be able discover the SBS machine. On the DHCP issue, I have my DSL modem running the only DHCP server on the network (all the AP DHCP's are disabled.) This provides a single DHCP client list and prevents multiple network syndrome. P Since all your players seem to get a signal from the current AP, you should be able to add the new AP (different channel) in the same location though you may want a longer cable run if you want the new AP to extend range. The other excellent suggestion is to turn-off all the A/B radios (set AP's to G-only.) that really helped in my install. good info! I haven't fully tested my setup in this regard (same SSID, same PW, different channels). The only things I have that are WIFI are the RADIOs, the CONTROLLER and my iphones and laptops. All other SB players and server are ethernet. With the Radio, to get it to connect to the stronger AP, when I'm at the new location (outside deck), I do a full power off (hold button) then the Radio reboots itself, and then connects to the more powerful AP (I can tell as the strength goes from very low to very high). But it is true that without doing this, the RADIO stays connected to the lower strength AP. I think either approach *can* work, but if I was using the second AP in a different location for players that were always in the second location, I'd for sure use a DIFFERENT SSID so that there is no mistake about which AP they connect to. As pointed out, the key is that your local network should have only ONE DHCP server! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
garym;622964 Wrote: good info! I haven't fully tested my setup in this regard (same SSID, same PW, different channels). The only things I have that are WIFI are the RADIOs, the CONTROLLER and my iphones and laptops. All other SB players and server are ethernet. With the Radio, to get it to connect to the stronger AP, when I'm at the new location (outside deck), I do a full power off (hold button) then the Radio reboots itself, and then connects to the more powerful AP (I can tell as the strength goes from very low to very high). But it is true that without doing this, the RADIO stays connected to the lower strength AP. I think either approach *can* work, but if I was using the second AP in a different location for players that were always in the second location, I'd for sure use a DIFFERENT SSID so that there is no mistake about which AP they connect to. As pointed out, the key is that your local network should have only ONE DHCP server! Now that I think on it, a factory reset might be needed to get the players to migrate (permanently) to the new AP. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
There are a couple options. The most surefire solution is running ethernet cable (cat5e or cat6) to all the places you need it. Another possibility is to use bitrate limiting, which will transcode your FLACs to MP3s at a quality you can specify. Obviously you will have some degradation in sound quality, but for casual listening while cooking, cleaning, etc you may find it fine. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
aubuti, the second solution you offered sounds like it will work for me. Is this something I configure SBS to do dynamically as it's streaming? How do I setup this up? -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I believe this is handled for each Player individually. Go into Settings and select the Player tab on top. Then select Audio from the second dropdown on this screen (next the the player selection dropdown). Scroll down until you see the Bitrate limiting dropdown. -- ChrisNY ChrisNY's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ChrisNY;622737 Wrote: I believe this is handled for each Player individually. Go into Settings and select the Player tab on top. Then select Audio from the second dropdown on this screen (next the the player selection dropdown). Scroll down until you see the Bitrate limiting dropdown. If you are running Windows, you will need to install lame.exe from here: http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-lame-bundle.php You don't need the .dll: just put lame.exe in program files/squeezebox/server/bin/MSWin... The settings/player/audio screen will indicate whether or not lame is properly installed. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
aubuti;622685 Wrote: There are a couple options. The most surefire solution is running ethernet cable (cat5e or cat6) to all the places you need it. Another possibility is to use bitrate limiting, which will transcode your FLACs to MP3s at a quality you can specify. Obviously you will have some degradation in sound quality, but for casual listening while cooking, cleaning, etc you may find it fine. Cheaper than wiring, you might want to add another wireless access point (with a different name and on a different channel and don't forget to turn off it's DHCP.) This would double your bandwidth. Point some players at the new access point. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
You can also try homeplugs (ethernet over the power cables). -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
Have you tried making sure your WiFi is tweaked for reliability and stability? I can Sync 4 SB players (3 on WiFi) playing full WAV files without a hiccup on a Linksys WRT54G. Some very basic WiFi tweaks (you will need admin access to your router to try these simple changes): 1. use a unique SSID name (name of your network/router) 2. if using a G WiFi: set WiFi to G only (turns off a b modes) 3. if using an N WiFi: set to G Compatibility mode (if using G devices) 4. change the broadcast channel to the least used channel near you 5. choose only channels 1 or 6 or 11 (or 13 if available) 6. router and WiFi antenna orientation adjustments can help signal strength 7. keep router away from other electronic devices (cordless phones, ISP modem, computers) 8. reboot WiFi router every once in a while (once a month is usually sufficient) If your WiFi network card software already gives the ch numbers and the signal strength of all nearby networks, that's all you need. But there are free programs like NetStumbler if needed. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
You gave us your server information, but you left out the most important part. What is your wifi layout like? What router, channel? What kind of house is this? (brick? plaster walls? metal studs?) What is the router location compared to the players? -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? The 5 radios are connected to the Hawking (because they don't like the Belkin) 3 Booms are connected to the Belkin and the Touch is on ethernet. The house is all brick ~2400 sqft. and the walls are wood 2x4 studs covered with drywall. Because I have two access points, all players have at least a 75% wifi signal. @toby, I can sync 4 players fine, it's when I have all 8 or 9 synch'd and the FLAC is over 20meg when the problem occurs. Is it possible to add a second extender to a wifi network? I would certainly consider that option if it means I don't have to limit the bitrate. I'm not an audiophile, but definitely can tell a big difference when playing my FLAC files vs. my MP3's. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;622805 Wrote: The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? The 5 radios are connected to the Hawking (because they don't like the Belkin) 3 Booms are connected to the Belkin and the Touch is on ethernet. The house is all brick ~2400 sqft. and the walls are wood 2x4 studs covered with drywall. I live on an acreage so there are no other wifi networks in range. Because I have two access points, all players have at least a 75% wifi signal. @toby, I can sync 4 players fine, it's when I have all 8 or 9 synch'd and the FLAC is over 20meg when the problem occurs. Is it possible to add a second extender to a wifi network? I would certainly consider that option if it means I don't have to limit the bitrate. I'm not an audiophile, but definitely can tell a big difference when playing my FLAC files vs. my MP3's. No two routers in the same area should use the same channel. Change that first as in the previous post. Unless you have a need for N, make the routers G-only P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
pski;622807 Wrote: No two routers in the same area should use the same channel. P I've always used same SSID name and Wifi oassword, but DIFFERENT channels with my second wifi AP. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
garym;622826 Wrote: I've always used same SSID name and Wifi oassword, but DIFFERENT channels with my second wifi AP. From my experience, SB players will always connect to their previous AP if the SSID is the same, even if the signal is stronger on the same named AP and the channel is different. Try it and see. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;622805 Wrote: The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? An 'extender' operates as a wireless repeater, doesn't it? I'm not sure you could operate it on a different channel. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a source of some of your problems, as you'll get only half the potential wireless bandwidth for devices connecting to it (because the repeater has to both receive and then repeat each signal wirelessly), plus all of its traffic will have to travel through the main wireless access point. It's just giving you a better wireless signal at the other end of the house, but at the expense of bandwidth. If I'm right about that, then you'd be much better off running ethernet to a second wireless access point, on a different channel from the first one and with the same SSID, as Gary suggests. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
JJZolx;622831 Wrote: An 'extender' operates as a wireless repeater, doesn't it? I'm not sure you could operate it on a different channel. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a source of some of your problems, as you'll get only half the potential wireless bandwidth for devices connecting to it (because the repeater has to both receive and then repeat each signal wirelessly), plus all of its traffic will have to travel through the main wireless access point. It's just giving you a better wireless signal at the other end of the house, but at the expense of bandwidth. If I'm right about that, then you'd be much better off running ethernet to a second wireless access point, on a different channel from the first one and with the same SSID, as Gary suggests. Yes, what you say makes a LOT of sense. I think for a short term solution I'll install LAME and limit the bitrate when I want all the players on, then look into running CAT5 to a second AP on a different channel. I can see that being a decent long term solution. I'll just get a decent G router for this purpose and it would be super cheap. I guess my question would be, if both AP's are using the same SSID on different channels, will only one be visible since they are using the same name? And, how do you know which AP you're connecting to? There seems to be one vote for the same name and one for using a different name. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
realcodeguy;622833 Wrote: I guess my question would be, if both AP's are using the same SSID on different channels, will only one be visible since they are using the same name? And, how do you know which AP you're connecting to? There seems to be one vote for the same name and one for using a different name. Using the same SSID should give you the ability to roam. You can connect your laptop, for instance, and walk from one end of the house to the other and it should switch seemlessly from one access point to the other. Or you could move a Squeezebox Radio to another area of the house without having to redo its network configuration. If that's not needed, then you could use two different SSIDs and be certain which one any given device is connecting to. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players
Is the server on wifi ? it should not be in this case with so many players, you use twice the bandwith. wire the server with ethernet. Btw how could a wifi extender be cheaper than wiring ? all that takes is cable rj45 conectors some cheap tools and nails ? If they must be -inside- the wall i get it . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86757 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
