Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
pfarrell;351320 Wrote: Different market. Its an audiophile product. A lot of those guys don't accept that remotes are good. I didn't know that. My Naim pre-amp had a remote and I though they were generally considered a good thing now. Audiophiles are a strange bunch. One of the great things about network players is that you don't have to keep going to the device to change the media (cds). You'd think it it would not take long to cotton on that a remote would be pretty useful in this scenario. I think the buttons and knobs cause the most damage to general reputation of the Transporter and I can't believe that many people at all use them on a regular basis. I'm sure that their inclusion was an error (much like the omission of a usable headphone socket for the Boom). MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
I'm sure that their inclusion was an error (much like the omission of a usable headphone socket for the Boom). I suggest you spend some time looking up the old threads discussing the wish list for future products around the time that the Transporter was in development (go back as much as one year from it's release date). You'll see that this was very much NOT an error, as much as simply not a device made specifically for you. btw...the headphone jack placement is also getting to be an old gripe. Let other people take it up if needed,but you have said your peace and gotten your reponses. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
The transporter is totally overengineered. The front panel is useless for most , the double display is not of any great use. The price break tween a TP and a SB is rediculous. The TP coulda had the better dac and all the features of the TP for far far less. To pay huge amounts extra for aesthetics , knobs , thick front panel and silly handles is rediculous. I'm an audiophile , and like most of em , the prime concern is the sound of a unit, and thr TP is lacking imho in terms of its sonic sig with its DAC. It sounds cold , clinical and lifeless. In the interim , im on my 3rd TP , the first ones knob was broken and the 2nd ones display died on me...so much for adding extra parts. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
None of this diatribe is helping those of us who may have hard or soft bugs with their 'Knobs' The Transporter is what it is, the aesthetics and ergonomics are a subjective issue. I like knobs and buttons and I'm very happy that the Transporter has some! -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
TheRooster2000;350991 Wrote: Hey, I accidentally found this older thread. That's just the same way in which my Transporter's knob behaves! I'm new to Transporter and thought that this behaviour is normal and I was a bit disappointed about the imprecise feeling of the knob... So is this evidentially normal? Or is my TransNav damaged somehow and do I have to send my Transporter back and get a new one? Maybe it helps to glue the aluminum knob to the axle of the force feedback device that's used inside the Transporter? Please help! Christian Actually that may not be a bad idea, as the room is because the know is only clamped on. Since it's pretty unlikely you will ever have to remove it, use some cyanoacrylate glue, a drop (so when in need you can still reove the knob with a bit more force), and let us know!! You may have quite some followers if it works! -- Audiotic MacMini CoreDuo, 600 GB of mostly ALAC lossless music (iTunes ripped) - Black Transporter (analog digital out), and Marantz DV8400 vM mod for SACD + DVD-A, via Siltech Paris to Harman Kardon AVR 8500 HK PA2200 Signature - 6 x Mission 780SE 78C 2 x REL Strata III Audiotic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5912 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
Is it actually physically slipping, or is the feedback just not done very well? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
Hi all! Today I pulled the aluminum knob off the force-feedback-device's axle. It fits very tight onto the axle and is fixed with some kind of steel leaf spring which is screwed inside the knob. So that's why it's impossible for the knob to slip and there's no need to glue it with cyanoacrylate. I noticed some amount of play between the axle and the housing of the force-feedback-device so that it can minimally move sideways. That might be one reason for the lack of precision. Furthermore I think the programming of the FF-device should still be optimized... ;) Greetings from Germany, Christian -- TheRooster2000 *-Transporter // Controller // QNAP TS-209 Pro II-* TheRooster2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
I've recently upgraded to a Transporter and I must admit to being a more than disappointed with the 'Knob'. Played with it a few times but, it feels a little lumpy, notchy and imprecise to me. Is this normal behavior or have other users had a more pleasurable experience? -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
norman12;351268 Wrote: I must admit to being a more than disappointed with the 'Knob'. Played with it a few times but, it feels a little lumpy I'm amazed anyone feels the need to touch their knob. Why do you do it? Have you not got a remote or a controller (or even heaven forbid, a computer)? BTW. Good to see you're still looking horny Norm. MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
ModelCitizen;351290 Wrote: I'm amazed anyone feels the need to touch their knob. Why do you do it? Have you not got a remote or a controller (or even heaven forbid, a computer)? If it felt better, I might use it. The button placements are also very much less than ideal on the Transporter. It's amazing how much better the Boom turned out with a cheap wheel and a handful of well placed buttons. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
So would the consensus be; the 'Knob', while on paper seemed intriguing in reality is a rather useless, partially functioning appendage? -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
...my Transporter's knob even makes a ticking noise on every step when I navigate up/down or left/right through the menus with the standard remote... :-/ Christian -- TheRooster2000 *-Transporter // Controller // QNAP TS-209 Pro II-* TheRooster2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
norman12;351301 Wrote: So would the consensus be; the 'Knob', while on paper seemed intriguing in reality is a rather useless, partially functioning appendage? I was very disappointed that the Transporter was produced with all that useless and fragile extraneous paraphernalia... knobs, buttons,... why? Are we living in the 60s? How many people sit right next to their hifi units anyway? When you have a remote (and now a controller) what's the point? MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
ModelCitizen;351305 Wrote: I was very disappointed that the Transporter was produced with all that useless and fragile extraneous paraphernalia... knobs, buttons,... why? Are we living in the 60s? How many people sit right next to their hifi units anyway? When you have a remote (and now a controller) what's the point? MC This is true but, if you have one it'd be nice if it worked well. You've been busy - 2000 posts! I've made 41 in 3 years although I lurk often. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
norman12;351308 Wrote: You've been busy - 2000 posts! I've made 41 in 3 years although I lurk often. Yes. Sometimes I think I should have stuck with the iPod. MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
ModelCitizen wrote: I was very disappointed that the Transporter was produced with all that useless and fragile extraneous paraphernalia... knobs, buttons,... why? Different market. Its an audiophile product. A lot of those guys don't accept that remotes are good. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
pfarrell;351320 Wrote: I was very disappointed that the Transporter was produced with all that useless and fragile extraneous paraphernalia... knobs, buttons,... why? Different market. Its an audiophile product. A lot of those guys don't accept that remotes are good. What a load of crap. If anything, a cynic might say the extra paraphernalia was added to increase the perceived value and justify the price point. The idea of having a front panel was good. It's not necessary, but it can be handy. I can certainly see them on future Squeezeboxes besides the Boom. Execution is another matter... I think it missed on the Transporter, is much better on the Boom, and can be improved further. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
JJZolx wrote: What a load of crap. You are entitled to your opinion, but its just an opinion. The audiophile market is not at all similar to the mass market. If anything, a cynic might say the extra paraphernalia was added to increase the perceived value and justify the price point. Completely wrong. Audiophile do not use features to justify price points. One of the current magazines has a 60w amp that costs $8000. No knobs at all. That's 30 or 40 times what other 60w amps sell for. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
No audiophile mud slinging in the General Discussion section please;-) -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
pfarrell;351329 Wrote: Audiophile do not use features to justify price points. That's probably right. But audiophiles didn't design the Transporter. That same cynic would say it was the designers of the Transporter that felt a need to put the doodads on an expensive unit targeted at that market. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
That's probably right. But audiophiles didn't design the Transporter. That same cynic would say it was the designers of the Transporter that felt a need to put the doodads on an expensive unit targeted at that market. Jim, I don't understand why you post so often when you are clearly so unhappy. Take a chill pill -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
pfarrell;351334 Wrote: I don't understand why you post so often when you are clearly so unhappy. What it is this time, Pat? I don't understand why you post so often, apparently for the sole purpose of being able to view your opinions in a public forum. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
JJZolx wrote: I don't understand why you post so often, apparently for the sole purpose of being able to view your opinions in a public forum. Or to correct your mistakes. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
JJZolx;351332 Wrote: That's probably right. But audiophiles didn't design the Transporter. That same cynic would say it was the designers of the Transporter that felt a need to put the doodads on an expensive unit targeted at that market. It seems obvious from the resulting design that feedback was heard from threads such as these: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16376 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14750 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=1592 The graphics in the first thread are no longer online, but they did have buttons much the same as those seen today. A true cynic would suggest that your negativity now is more a case of not getting exactly what you wanted, as opposed to bad or ill-considered design. just MY opinion, based on a few researched facts. -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
kdf;351342 Wrote: It seems obvious from the resulting design that feedback was heard from threads such as these: I remember those threads quite well. They were a lot of fun, and I was thrilled to see the design of the Transporter take them to heart. A true cynic would suggest that your negativity now is more a case of not getting exactly what you wanted, as opposed to bad or ill-considered design. I don't feel I'm being negative, just stating what others have apparently also observed. The Transporter front panel design wasn't perfect, but few things are. The wheel isn't as useful as it might have been, IMO due to the layout of the buttons and the feel of the force feedback knob. But the Boom hit it nearly on the nose and that knowledge could be used to produce a better Transporter II, or incorporated into future products. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
JJZolx wrote: I don't feel I'm being negative, just stating what others have apparently also observed. You are being silly, argumentative and negative. Give it a break ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
On 19-Oct-08, at 4:01 PM, JJZolx wrote: kdf;351342 Wrote: It seems obvious from the resulting design that feedback was heard from threads such as these: I remember those threads quite well. They were a lot of fun, and I was thrilled to see the design of the Transporter take them to heart. good. Without fun, there is no third party community. A true cynic would suggest that your negativity now is more a case of not getting exactly what you wanted, as opposed to bad or ill-considered design. I don't feel I'm being negative, just stating what others have apparently also observed. Fair enough. How that message come across, my not be entirely as you intended, perhaps. But the Boom hit it nearly on the nose and that knowledge could be used to produce a better Transporter II, or incorporated into future products. I'd expect no less. The Transporter is a major technological leap from where Squeeze- products were before. Given the branding it has, I would expect we may not the its like again any time soon, but certainly lessons have been learned and the benefits already show. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
Audiotic;195169 Wrote: (...) When I turn my TransNav knob, it seems to have some room, it can move a little bit beyond the stop points, sometime like one stop more. And I am not forcing it! It actually is annoying, as the feel of the lists you are browsing is not very firm, almost like you skip over items (...) Hey, I accidentally found this older thread. That's just the same way in which my Transporter's knob behaves! I'm new to Transporter and thought that this behaviour is normal and I was a bit disappointed about the imprecise feeling of the knob... So is this evidentially normal? Or is my TransNav damaged somehow and do I have to send my Transporter back and get a new one? Please help! Christian -- TheRooster2000 *-Transporter // Controller // QNAP TS-209 Pro II-* TheRooster2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TransNav knob has room when rotating?
This'll be interesting. Does anyone else use Pat Farrel's knob? MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
