Re: [discuss] Why

2010-01-31 Thread RobertHoltzman
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 01:57:34PM -0500, ingerso...@information4u.com wrote:
> 
> Why do I have to change my password? Why can't I keep the one I registered 
> with? I don't want a different password.

Care to go into a little more detail? I have no idea what your talking
about.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Oppen Office for iPad ?

2010-01-31 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

> On 2010/01/31 5:52 PM  Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>>> Maybe it's not possible.. I'm very interested in selling my Macbook for
>>> an
>>> iPad, but without any office suite, it would be difficult to work with it
>>> (I'm a student, and I would use it to take my lessons) even if iWorks
>>> exist
>>> for ipad, I need an application which would be able to write and read
>>> .doc
>>> and .ppt documents.
>>>
>>
> There will be iWorks for the iPad. iWorks on a Mac reads and writes MS
> Office documents. I understand it will do the same on the iPad. It should
> handle everything you need at class. I would still want a computer at home
> as well.
>
> I think my next upgrade will be an iMac and an iPad instead of getting a
> MacBook Pro.
>
>
>
>>>
>> Watching Computer Action show they showed a much better option with
>> OpenOffice.org for much less :)
>> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
>>
>
> A cheap netbook as a replacement for a MacBook? Ridiculous! Save some money
> instead of getting an iPad and get a far inferior product.
>

Well I am not sure a netbook is so bad, first of all is more portable but
still lets you type at a normal speed. And also and more importantly it also
have the most appreciated 10hr battery life which is enough to go a whole
day without looking for a power chord/socket.

I am seriously considering it for my  international traveling and
presentations. At the end of the day my netbook has surpass the usability of
my big powerful laptop the same way the big powerful laptop replaced my
bigger powerfuler (is this a word?) workstation.

And you get a much more complete Office suite in OpenOffice.org :)


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Re: [discuss] What to do?

2010-01-31 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 18:01:16 PM +, Harold Fuchs 
(fuchs.har...@googlemail.com) wrote:

> In the past I have "forwarding to unsubscribed user" but have been
> slated for doing so.

And every time you, and others doing the same before you, were given
tons of patiently explained reasons why it was and will always be a
 idea. Besides, about 20 days ago I and
Barbara D., after an initial misunderstanding, had agreed here on this
list that Barbara's attitude and strategy seemed very promising
(and/because it did NOT include bothering subscribers to death with
 "forwarding to unsubscribed user" messages).

Now, Harold, I do NOT want to repeat again in full detail why this:

> I'm inclined to go back to "forwarding to unsubscribed user" and

is a really  idea, but you raised what is (for
me at least) a NEW issue and I would sincerely appreciate an
explanation, so here's a question and PLEASE let's stick to it. You
wrote:

> I am not allowed to reply privately because, apparently, that makes
> me look like some sort of "official representative" of OOo.

I admit I had missed this before and it really puzzles me. May I ask
when/where/how you were told that you can't do that, and by whom?

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[discuss] Re: Oppen Office for iPad ?

2010-01-31 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2010/01/31 5:52 PM  Alexandro Colorado wrote:

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Maybe it's not possible.. I'm very interested in selling my Macbook 
for an

iPad, but without any office suite, it would be difficult to work with it
(I'm a student, and I would use it to take my lessons) even if iWorks 
exist
for ipad, I need an application which would be able to write and read 
.doc

and .ppt documents.


There will be iWorks for the iPad. iWorks on a Mac reads and writes MS 
Office documents. I understand it will do the same on the iPad. It 
should handle everything you need at class. I would still want a 
computer at home as well.


I think my next upgrade will be an iMac and an iPad instead of getting a 
MacBook Pro.






Watching Computer Action show they showed a much better option with
OpenOffice.org for much less :)
http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/


A cheap netbook as a replacement for a MacBook? Ridiculous! Save some 
money instead of getting an iPad and get a far inferior product.




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Re: [discuss] What to do?

2010-01-31 Thread Drew Jensen

On 1/31/2010 1:01 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:

I have noticed lately in the us...@openoffice.org list several questions
from unsubscribed users that people have answered but have failed to
include the questioner's address in the to: or cc: list so the answer
will almost certainly go unseen.

In the past I have "forwarding to unsubscribed user" but have been
slated for doing so.

I am not allowed to reply privately because, apparently, that makes me
look like some sort of "official representative" of OOo.

So, what to do?

The questions look, superficially, to have been answered so many folk
won't bother further. The needy newbies think the support for their
software is *&%$£, i.e. worth roughly what they paid for it. So OOo gets
a bad reputation among exactly those users we'd like to encourage.

If I answer myself I'll be accused of duplicating messages, adding
surplus traffic, taking someone else's credit etc. etc.

So, what to do?

I'm inclined to go back to "forwarding to unsubscribed user" and ignore
the consequences but ...

Advice, please.



Hello Harold,

It's been a while since we talked, all is going well I hope.

You and I have been rather intimate on this subject haven't we.

Sounds like you already know what you want to do, which is to ping the 
OP via the list, yes?


Id say just do it then - and offer another suggestion to go with it.

You could use a standard response to point them to nabble (or other such 
archiver) and let them know that the responses to their question will be 
available via the archives web interface, then mentions the mailing list 
needing a subscription (fact I would down play that ). I would help put 
that response template together with you, if you like.


Then attach the template text to the bottom of the first response to 
ther question on the list, the one you are going to bounce back to the 
list with the OP CC'd.


The decision to take non subscribed posts was not in your hands - it 
must have assumed someone would do this - and you have been doing it 
quite regularly for a good while.


If it were me I would do this only the one time for an OP, to mitigate 
the overload of mails on the list. But at this point, today, it's that 
or nothing given that you have been asked not to do it off list. 
(*unless* some automated response mechanism, similar to what TerryE 
setup at the forums for non subscribed emails perhaps, has been stood up 
that I haven't heard of and that might be cause I know there was 
individual initiative going in that regards but no idea where that is it)


Anyway, that is my (current :>) ) .02 on the subject.

Best wishes,

Drew



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Re: [discuss] Re: [users] Danish government chooses ODF

2010-01-31 Thread John W Kennedy
On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
In the us...@openoffice.org list
> James Knott wrote:
>>> The best way to sent a URL is to enclose it in < > brackets, which will 
>>> prevent it from being broken in an email.
>> 
>> 
> 
> The above is simply wrong. The < > brackets make no difference whatsoever.

It does on some programs.

> The main culprits are Mac users. If a Mac user *sends* a long URL, chances 
> are it'll arrive broken in most non-Mac mail readers. I don't know why. I do 
> know it's possible for the Mac sender to fix it but I don't know how. I do 
> know that using < > brackets is *not* part of the solution.

Nonsense. It's the program that matters, not the operating system it runs under.

Historically, what you were /supposed/ to do was enclose thus: 

But a large number of programs did not support it, and it was eventually 
withdrawn as a standard (or perhaps it was only a recommendation). Some 
programs, however, still support it. And some support <...>, even though that 
was never a standard.

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In your own capacity,
As a Company you've come to utter sorrow--
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[discuss] Why

2010-01-31 Thread ingersollb

Why do I have to change my password? Why can't I keep the one I registered 
with? I don't want a different password.

Brenda




[discuss] Re: [users] Danish government chooses ODF

2010-01-31 Thread Harold Fuchs

In the us...@openoffice.org list

James Knott wrote:
 
The best way to sent a URL is to enclose it in < > brackets, which 
will prevent it from being broken in an email.






The above is simply wrong. The < > brackets make no difference whatsoever.

The main culprits are Mac users. If a Mac user *sends* a long URL, 
chances are it'll arrive broken in most non-Mac mail readers. I don't 
know why. I do know it's possible for the Mac sender to fix it but I 
don't know how. I do know that using < > brackets is *not* part of the 
solution.


No, I haven't replied to the wrong list. I've deliberately moved the 
conversation to a *more* appropriate one. I know I'm still OT.


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[discuss] What to do?

2010-01-31 Thread Harold Fuchs
I have noticed lately in the us...@openoffice.org list several questions 
from unsubscribed users that people have answered but have failed to 
include the questioner's address in the to: or cc: list so the answer 
will almost certainly go unseen.


In the past I have "forwarding to unsubscribed user" but have been 
slated for doing so.


I am not allowed to reply privately because, apparently, that makes me 
look like some sort of "official representative" of OOo.


So, what to do?

The questions look, superficially, to have been answered so many folk 
won't bother further. The needy newbies think the support for their 
software is *&%$£, i.e. worth roughly what they paid for it. So OOo gets 
a bad reputation among exactly those users we'd like to encourage.


If I answer myself I'll be accused of duplicating messages, adding 
surplus traffic, taking someone else's credit etc. etc.


So, what to do?

I'm inclined to go back to "forwarding to unsubscribed user" and ignore 
the consequences but ...


Advice, please.

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London, England


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Re: [discuss] Oppen Office for iPad ?

2010-01-31 Thread Alexandro Colorado
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On 1/28/10, Antoine Forgeard  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I was just wondering if you were planning to develop an oppen office
> aplication for ipad ?
>
> Maybe it's not possible.. I'm very interested in selling my Macbook for an
> iPad, but without any office suite, it would be difficult to work with it
> (I'm a student, and I would use it to take my lessons) even if iWorks exist
> for ipad, I need an application which would be able to write and read .doc
> and .ppt documents.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your answer.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Antoine Forgeard
>

Watching Computer Action show they showed a much better option with
OpenOffice.org for much less :)
http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/


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Re: [discuss] Words of thanks and thoughts for the future WAS Re: [dev] Changes to Site/Product Elements due to Oracle Acquisition

2010-01-31 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi Cor,

Le 31.01.2010 10:54, Cor Nouws a écrit :
>
> Hi Jean-Baptiste,
>
> Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (31-01-10 09:13)
>> Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
>
> Yes, on their website you find an overview of all projects they
> participate in /drive. Quite a lot.
Perhaps, but Wednesday "Free Software" was not a keyword on the slide
about OpenOffice.org.
>
>> No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free
>> Software.
>>
>> The facts are :
>> - 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
>> - Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.
>
> Looks even more like a wonder that we've Oracle's support? No, we have
> a good starting point. And if OpenOffice.org can show an even more
> attractive potential, I expect that Oracle will be an even better
> partner.
I do not know if we have Oracle's support, it's too early to say. I know
only that Oracle has OpenOffice.org and that Oracle has forgotten ".org"
in the name of OpenOffice.org.
And that Oracle has exchanged the roles of StarOffice and OpenOffice.org
: with Sun, StarOffice was the non-Community edition based on
OpenOffice.org; in other words, OOo plus something. From now, it seems
that OpenOffice.org "Community Edition" will be StarOffice minus
something. Minus what?

Regards.

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Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Community Edition

2010-01-31 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Laurent,

Laurent Godard wrote (31-01-10 09:15)

OOo should remain OOo
the non-community-edition was staroffice

All should be OOo.
Free to Oracle to propose valuable services for business based on the 
high skill of the hamburg team


Following a split to OOo community edition / OOo (with closed parts as 
ex staroffice) is a bad strategy - Bad for OOo community, Bad for Oracle


I agree.
I've never understood the words as if there was going to be a new 
community edition, nor a new name. I just read the expression as a way 
to put emphasize on the business/supported version.


Regards,
Cor

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Re: [discuss] Words of thanks and thoughts for the future WAS Re: [dev] Changes to Site/Product Elements due to Oracle Acquisition

2010-01-31 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Jean-Baptiste,

Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (31-01-10 09:13)

Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?


Yes, on their website you find an overview of all projects they 
participate in /drive. Quite a lot.



No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free Software.

The facts are :
- 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
- Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.


Looks even more like a wonder that we've Oracle's support? No, we have a 
good starting point. And if OpenOffice.org can show an even more 
attractive potential, I expect that Oracle will be an even better partner.


Best,
Cor


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Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Community Edition

2010-01-31 Thread Laurent Godard

Hi

OOo should remain OOo
the non-community-edition was staroffice

All should be OOo.
Free to Oracle to propose valuable services for business based on the 
high skill of the hamburg team


Following a split to OOo community edition / OOo (with closed parts as 
ex staroffice) is a bad strategy - Bad for OOo community, Bad for Oracle


Laurent



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Re: [discuss] Words of thanks and thoughts for the future WAS Re: [dev] Changes to Site/Product Elements due to Oracle Acquisition

2010-01-31 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free Software.

The facts are :
- 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
- Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.

Best regards.

JBF

Le 31.01.2010 01:04, Graham Lauder a écrit :
>> Hi Cor,
>>
>> Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for 
>> OOo.
>>
>> Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them.
>> ;-)
>> Liz
>>
>> 
>
> I'd like to also echo Cors comments and add a few of my own.  There has never 
> been a 
> time when I haven't been proud to be part of the OOo community and proud of 
> our 
> corporate partner.  No matter the ill informed and parochial slings and 
> arrows cast 
> in Suns direction they are the example of how a corporate partner can work 
> with a 
> community.  That is not to say it's perfect, it will probably never be 
> because of 
> the obvious tensions between an open community and the necessities of 
> corporate 
> governance but what has been obvious to me since the early days of the 
> project, has 
> been the constant improvement in the connection between Sun and the community 
> and 
> the obvious desire to see that improvement continue.
>
> It is good to see Larry talking about "Hiring Sun into Profit".  Let's hope 
> we see 
> some of the development load spread about in OOo/SO. I see a bright future.  
>
> Good luck to all our team in Hamburg under the new regime.
>
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>   
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