[discuss] DELETE REMOVE HOW?
*My computer lost my WORD program. I had an important Personal Journal that I've created since Sept 17, 2007.* *That's the date of my spinal cord injury and I keep this as a log to my learning through my new life in a wheelchair.* ** *I was frantic that I was so afraid that I could not retreive this, since the Word Program disappeared somehow.* ** *I looked on the internet and thougth that Open Office would allow me to open all of my important info in my Documents.* *Well I downloaded OpenOffice, and I was able to open my documents, that otherwise were not readable. I was so * *glad that everything was not lost...* ** *My husband got me another Word program and installed in on my computer. My open office documents that I had* *saved turned into READ ONLY. I don't know why since I did not initiate this. I tried to copy and paste into a Word* *document so that I could still edit my documents. Well guess what, open office would not allow me to copy and* *paste. I had to open an open office document and type it all over again in Word, just to be able to edit my documents.* ** *It created a nightmare for me so I thought that I should uninstall the Open Office to get out of this problem. Guess what?* *It will not permit me the privilege of removing or uninstalling Even when I am processing the uninstallation, as it* *is stated that it is being uninstalled, the words below this sentence state that the open office program is being installed.* ** *I want to get this off of my computer What can I do? Your website does NOT address removing, but just downloading* *or installing... There must be a trick to this, but it surely isn't anywhere to be found..* ** *I manage meetings for the Charleston, SC Spinal Cord Injury Association, and there are many important documents that* *I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO RETYPE, since I can not copy and paste... Our meeting on Feb. 8th will* *sure have this as a topic so that everyone will know about this difficulty. I will let them know if this is handled* *professionally with consideration and appreciation of all the extra work that Open Office has created for me...* ** *Anxiously awaiting the SOLUTION* ** *Sincerely,* *Barbara Delia*
[discuss] Problem with dislocate/change page number...
First of all, sorry for my bad english... Hi, I’m an brazilian user and enthusiast of OpenOffice, I love the OO suite, but everytime that I need to change/dislocate the number of the pages in some document, I always have the same problem: I just go in Insertheaderdefault; and after click in the header, I use Ctrl-F2 and insert the page number in the field, and everithing works perfectly. But if I change some value in the menu “Offset”, to make some variation in the number of the pages, the pagination just disapear... Al the numbers, in all pages, just disapear. Same problem if I insert the number and click with the right buttom and select field and change the menu “Offset”...
Re: [discuss] Re: 3.3 in standard English
Both my parents are Irish. I was born in Leicestershire, England and I became French by marriage. I usually write in English (U.K.-Les-Irish) and occasionally in French (Burgundy). What language would I have written in if I had been born in Hong Kong, I wonder? Patrick Grace (Paticus Graccus) On 30 January 2011 02:42, Harold Fuchs hwfa.gmanen...@gmail.com wrote: Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4d42fefe.31746.4a47...@zaphod.fj.gmail.com... To whoever is resposible for uploading 3.3 to the mirrors I can see a version that uses US regional spellings (English (US)). Nothing in standard English though. Will this be fixed? In case you think I am being pedantic, it's worth remembering that the idea of 'English' versus 'English (UK)' often seen, suggests an American-centred view of the world. There's English, as spoken in most Anglophone countries in a reasonably uniform way (UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ, India, Kenya, Nigeria, Cameroon, etc), and there's the regional variations made popular by Mr Noah Webster co in USA. I do accept that Webster's ideas do make sense and are easier for people learning English - but nonetheless, they are regional variations most commonly used in USA. Even my Canadian friends insist their language is 'English-UK' rather than 'English-US'. Many thanks, ZF The minute you say (as you did) ... and there's the regional variations ... you leave standard English behind and enter some world inhabited by the bewildered. It's there ARE the regional variations. The verb should agree with its predicate. So both should either be singular - there is (there's) the regional variation - or plural - there are (there're) the regional variations. Please close this thread. -- Harold Fuchs London, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Pat Grace - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Standard English
A fine comment! Again, apologies for any annoyance caused by my off-key comments earlier. Despite appearances, I am not some raving anti-American, nor am I a 'BBC English' pedant. I am someone, however, who believes that there is value in accurately conveying instructions. To that end, localisations (localizations?) for any language with a lot of diversity (whether American, French, Spanish or whatever), is needed. It's a pain for developers, but it leads to a more accessible end-product. Whether it's done by 'translating' American to British (plus NZ, Canadian, etc), or using short, simple sentences that (hopefully) are clear to all concerned, it up to those writing the material in question. Have a nice day, y'all ;-) ZF On 29 Jan 2011 at 18:22, Pat wrote: A discussion of standard English is like a discussion of square clouds, or a marching troop of 3 columns of 10 cats each. A discussion can be had of the theoretical existence of such an entity, but in reality, it does not exist. We get as close as we can, and work around the rest, similar to working with pi in geometry. English(UK) is quite different in various parts of London, without mentioning Cardiff, Carlisle or Orkney Island differences. English in Boston, New York, San Antonio, or Harkers Island. (Many Harkers Island residents speak a distinct dialect of English, akin to Elizabethan English.) It would seem that we aught to choose the standard which suits our particular purpose most closely, and live with the wrongs of those who disagree with us. After eighty years, I still use harbour. and put a plaster on a cut. Respectfully Pat Rotchford - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: 3.3 in standard English
On 30 Jan 2011 at 1:42, Harold Fuchs wrote: The minute you say (as you did) ... and there's the regional variations ... you leave standard English behind and enter some world inhabited by the bewildered. It's there ARE the regional variations. The verb should agree with its predicate. So both should either be singular - there is (there's) the regional variation - or plural - there are (there're) the regional variations. A very good point! Blame my Irish-speaking ancestors who adopted English words but didn't always embrace the foreigners' grammar! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Off topic, a diatribe in agreement: Re: [discuss] 3.3 in standard English
On 1/29/2011 7:17 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: When (for example), an interface tells me about spreadsheet 'formulas' and not 'formulae', I think the people responsible have forgotten the user. Off topic, a diatribe, in agreement with the position of Zaphod and others. The so called Americanisms mentioned here are not Americanisms. They are BARBARISMS, committed by poorly educated USians who do not care about the language. I have an ongoing, albeit losing, war with indexes (indices) maximums (maxima) minimums (minima) along with the words you mention. Another annoyance: I note that /America/ is more than just the US. Too many people, here and abroad, use /America/ as a synonym for the UNITED STATES of America. There needs to be a word other than American for a citizen of the United States (of America). Little made me more angry when a student at the University of Glasgow than the telephone response when I called the Consulate in Glasgow: American Consulate. It was not and is not the AMERICAN Consulate. America includes Canada. America also includes Mexico, the Central American Isthmus nations, and the South American nations. There, English, where it is spoken, is a second language. But I digress. I agree with you entirely. There is a need for less US English centered language references in OO.o. David Teague a US Citizen, who is annoyed by lazy and poorly educated US usage.
Re: [discuss] 3.3 in standard English
On 1/29/2011 11:55 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
I disagree - but Fowler is the authority, not me :-{
Fowler is wrong. The correct spelling is formulae.
DBTsr
Re: [discuss] Off topic, a diatribe in agreement: Re: [discuss] 3.3 in standard English
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:32:53 -0500 David B Teague davidbtea...@comporium.net wrote: Hello David, The so called Americanisms mentioned here are not Americanisms. They are BARBARISMS, committed by poorly Oh, FFS! Nobody says; prithee, ye, thee, thine, verily, or forsooth any more. In England we wouldn't have disco(theque), chicane or cul-de-sac had we not adapted, adopted or stole words from elsewhere. *ALL* languages change over time. Deal with it. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent The stakes were high but the danger low Charade - Skids signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [discuss] DELETE REMOVE HOW?
[Barbara (barbde...@gmail.com) is not subscribed and probably will not see responses unless directly copied.] On 1/29/2011 9:26 PM, barb delia wrote: *My computer lost my WORD program. I had an important Personal Journal that I've created since Sept 17, 2007.* *That's the date of my spinal cord injury and I keep this as a log to my learning through my new life in a wheelchair.* Congratulations on taking a positive approach to your recovery, and I wish you the very best! ** *I was frantic that I was so afraid that I could not retreive this, since the Word Program disappeared somehow.* ** *I looked on the internet and thougth that Open Office would allow me to open all of my important info in my Documents.* *Well I downloaded OpenOffice, and I was able to open my documents, that otherwise were not readable. I was so * *glad that everything was not lost...* ** Yes, that's one of the strengths of OOo. It can even open files that Word itself no longer can, because support for many of the older file types has been dropped. *My husband got me another Word program and installed in on my computer. My open office documents that I had* *saved turned into READ ONLY. I don't know why since I did not initiate this. I tried to copy and paste into a Word* *document so that I could still edit my documents. Well guess what, open office would not allow me to copy and* *paste. I had to open an open office document and type it all over again in Word, just to be able to edit my documents.* ** I don't know why this would happen (maybe you had them on a CD?), but all you have to do with such a file is use File Save As and put the document somewhere else. However, installing Word generally results in the files being associated with Word, not OOo Writer. So if you just double-clicked on a file to open it, it was probably Word that came up. In either case, though, I've never seen any reports of being unable to copy and paste. We'd need more information about what exactly you did and the details of what you saw when you tried to copy (as well as about what operating system and version you're using, and the versions of Word and OOo). *It created a nightmare for me so I thought that I should uninstall the Open Office to get out of this problem. Guess what?* *It will not permit me the privilege of removing or uninstalling Even when I am processing the uninstallation, as it* *is stated that it is being uninstalled, the words below this sentence state that the open office program is being installed.* ** *I want to get this off of my computer What can I do? Your website does NOT address removing, but just downloading* *or installing... There must be a trick to this, but it surely isn't anywhere to be found..* ** It actually sounds as if installing Word, not having OOo, caused your problem. If you're using Windows, the usual Add/Remove Programs (or equivalent) can be used to remove OOo (you probably need to be logged on as administrator, though, not as a user). But the two programs can both be on your computer without any issues, provided that you set up the file associations you want. This is usually done with a right-click on a file and choosing the Open With option, then browsing to the appropriate program. If you select the option to always use this program for this type of file, this only needs to be done once. If you set these associations to Word (supposing they are not already there), OOo will never try to open them unless you specifically direct it to, either by starting Writer and using File Open or by using the right-click option on the file to select Writer (but not as the default for all files of this type). *I manage meetings for the Charleston, SC Spinal Cord Injury Association, and there are many important documents that* *I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO RETYPE, since I can not copy and paste... Our meeting on Feb. 8th will* *sure have this as a topic so that everyone will know about this difficulty. I will let them know if this is handled* *professionally with consideration and appreciation of all the extra work that Open Office has created for me...* ** *Anxiously awaiting the SOLUTION* ** *Sincerely,* *Barbara Delia* We'll certainly do our best to try to help you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Off topic, a diatribe in agreement: Re: [discuss] 3.3 in standard English
David B Teague wrote: On 1/29/2011 7:17 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: When (for example), an interface tells me about spreadsheet 'formulas' and not 'formulae', I think the people responsible have forgotten the user. Off topic, a diatribe, in agreement with the position of Zaphod and others. The so called Americanisms mentioned here are not Americanisms. They are BARBARISMS, committed by poorly educated USians who do not care about the language. I have an ongoing, albeit losing, war with indexes (indices) maximums (maxima) minimums (minima) along with the words you mention. Another annoyance: I note that /America/ is more than just the US. Too many people, here and abroad, use /America/ as a synonym for the UNITED STATES of America. There needs to be a word other than American for a citizen of the United States (of America). Little made me more angry when a student at the University of Glasgow than the telephone response when I called the Consulate in Glasgow: American Consulate. It was not and is not the AMERICAN Consulate. America includes Canada. America also includes Mexico, the Central American Isthmus nations, and the South American nations. There, English, where it is spoken, is a second language. But I digress. I agree with you entirely. There is a need for less US English centered language references in OO.o. David Teague a US Citizen, who is annoyed by lazy and poorly educated US usage. David, you complain about poorly educated U.S. people, unfortunately that is a situation that is unlikely to improve in the forseeable future due to a lack of funding for education here in the U.S.A.. I have always felt that our constitution should be amended to require that public schools be funded by statewide taxes and NEVER by local property taxes. As long as Schools are funded by property taxes only the rich will receive a quality education! As for the rest of us, we should consider ourselves lucky if we learn to read and write at all. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Gone astray
The discussion seems to have gone astray. The choosing of, or arriving at, a particular default dictionary was, I think, the original point. The comments, while interesting and somewhat illuminating, show our digression. Language is a means of transmitting the thoughts of one to the understanding of another and as such is fraught with danger of being mistaken. In order to do so, words with mutually understood meaning are placed in a particular agreed upon order. Most simply put, this couples definition and syntax. Spelling is rarely an obstacle to understanding, albeit misspelling can be a major distraction in the written communication. Only when meanings are confused should we take offense. We have enough built in difficulties and curiosities as it is. Pan as a Spanish word and as a Japanese word are strikingly similar when referring to bread, but less so when referring to a cooking container. As to America referring to The United Stated of America, it is merely verbal shorthand and not a slight to other countries. Don't forget that each of the 50 states is just that, a state, each having its own constitution, Chief Executive, and legislature. In joining together, the states relegated certain of their rights to a central government. e.g. printing of money, governance of trade, and national defense. Throughout the world nations are rarely referred to by their formal title, e.g., Brazil, The Federal Republic of Brazil which by the way has 26 states. Any means by which we are better able to communicate is useful and valuable. Respectfully, Pat - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Re: Gone astray
On 2011/01/30 5:07 PM Pat wrote: The discussion seems to have gone astray. The choosing of, or arriving at, a particular default dictionary was, I think, the original point. The comments, while interesting and somewhat illuminating, show our digression. The discussion started about the availability of an UK English version which has all the menus, dialogues boxes, help files, etc. written with UK English spelling, not about dictionaries. The US English version already comes with UK, Canadian, Australian, and South African dictionaries. There is an English-UK version of OOo 3.3.0 rc10. It has not yet passed the quality assurance process to become the official final release. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
