Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
I hope the listserv will continue to also serve that purpose for those of us not entwined within the Facebook ecosystem (yes there are some of us out there) -matthew On May 20, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Mostafa Alizadeh m.alizade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ✔ new releases of GNURadio, ✔ new products of GNURadio, ✔ GNURadio conferences and events, ✔ new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Matthew Biederman m...@mbiederman.comwrote: I hope the listserv will continue to also serve that purpose for those of us not entwined within the Facebook ecosystem (yes there are some of us out there) -matthew Matthew, Please read Martin's response. The facebook page, while potentially useful, is not an official part of GNU Radio. The core dev team doesn't spend much time with any of the other services out there with GNU Radio pages/communities since we try not to fracture the location of questions and answers. They might each serve a separate purpose for the interest of community building in different niches of the Internet, but we are focused on this mailing list, gnuradio.org, and our github repo for gnuradio.git. Tom On May 20, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Mostafa Alizadeh m.alizade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ✔ new releases of GNURadio, ✔ new products of GNURadio, ✔ GNURadio conferences and events, ✔ new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Tom Rondeau t...@trondeau.com wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Matthew Biederman m...@mbiederman.comwrote: I hope the listserv will continue to also serve that purpose for those of us not entwined within the Facebook ecosystem (yes there are some of us out there) -matthew Matthew, Please read Martin's response. The facebook page, while potentially useful, is not an official part of GNU Radio. The core dev team doesn't spend much time with any of the other services out there with GNU Radio pages/communities since we try not to fracture the location of questions and answers. They might each serve a separate purpose for the interest of community building in different niches of the Internet, but we are focused on this mailing list, gnuradio.org, and our github repo for gnuradio.git. Tom Apologies. Martin wrote to just a few of us and not on the mailing list. We'll probably have more about this later, but rest assured that the we are not planning on moving attention away from the mailing list. Tom On May 20, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Mostafa Alizadeh m.alizade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ✔ new releases of GNURadio, ✔ new products of GNURadio, ✔ GNURadio conferences and events, ✔ new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
Hey Mostafa, I'm always happy to see people participating in this community, and trying to add to its value. Without volunteers, we'd be pretty useless. Still, I have to add a couple of things to this: * We used to have a Facebook group, which was taken down due to lack of interest. It seems not many people in this community are active on Facebook, or don't even have accounts. * For most communication, we try and focus things on the mailing list and IRC (each suits a different purpose). We also have the G+ group, but we've made it very clear on the group page that this is mainly for dev call hangouts etc., and technical questions should be asked here. The same goes for the LinkedIn group, which has some discussions, but mostly promotions and none of the core members of this group participate there (and don't really want to, at least in the near future). There's also a very inactive subreddit. I would appreciate it if you added such a disclaimer to your group, since people might expect answers to questions they post, and then will be disappointed. * As a team of GNU Radio core developers, we already have trouble keeping our own page up to date. You are currently alone in managing a Facebook page, which means you'll have a lot of work with adding infos about releases, events etc... * By calling the account GNU Radio and using the official logo, you are creating a page that looks very much like it *is* an official project page. I do wish you would have contacted me beforehand, so we could have discussed this. * A page like this must be maintained and polished, a badly maintained page will do more damage than it'll help. There's a couple of questions that we need to sort out: - Are you certain you can handle the workload? - Is there really any interest in a Facebook group? Personally, I'm not convinced a Facebook group will help us in any way, but I'm open to a conversation. Martin On 20.05.2014 07:05, Mostafa Alizadeh wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ✔ new releases of GNURadio, ✔ new products of GNURadio, ✔ GNURadio conferences and events, ✔ new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as a single, small, sometimes lost, developer, I ask you: please don't open side channels on your own. A lot of us have been around this mailing list for a very long time, and we try to keep information as concentrated as possible. Already now we see a lot of people following tutorials from more-or-less dubious, most of the time totally outdated websites. We should really try to keep gnuradio.org the official page for all information on GNU Radio. I don't see why anyone of the official core team should try to update a facebook page with release info etc, if there is no question that this information can and should be found in gnuradio.org; I think you might have gone a little to far promising constant updates. Also, there's a lively community around GNU Radio, and things like conference announcements never go unnoticed on the discuss-gnuradio mailing list, so I really don't see the demand for a more communicative platform. In fact, the mailing list, the #gnuradio on freenode, the github page, the gnuradio.org wiki and of course the regular hangouts as much as conferences and hackfests are so much communication that it actually amounts to a fair amount of work to keep up with all the information exchanged. All in all, facebook is really a terrible platform for discussion if you want to make information well-searchable, well documented, self-organized; the average time until a post on the mailing list goes answered is in the order of hours; as a lot of the community earns its money with software radio related occupations, I doubt the frequency of qualified answers on facebook would ever be as high as on the mailing list. Greetings, Marcus On 20.05.2014 07:05, Mostafa Alizadeh wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ? new releases of GNURadio, ? new products of GNURadio, ? GNURadio conferences and events, ? new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTe1hDAAoJEBQ6EdjyzlHtT5QH/1x9pBE7tQS8qBj2pSK9zyPk ktT0iCPA40lSrMsyvzjl1+JKsS8X4p9W79PQyFGtRf42g5wTjUSr0XeGGJLIZcoZ r4asiV0GFc68bbnXMVkrUYkq46wXcrm/lT66rdKbb6WgVy6SyAllyXFVHmO6/xS7 uU/k0aGO5izYlDNPNDyXjgiZ54Qpj6ySXADLaKa7tbSRkfRsUktUv/zXaNehHHGV wSn4QlCHNXUQkN09ARgTyGIQlfWnolO++ENTjeqfKQKvJrN5BtgcELPY+N+Xq4zs DACuK9VooXYtm5TQDJ3K4fObe53bziM6gGkQU1dCEcEoTklF4SRM9+37Q+ZGhDU= =r6Yx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
Hi Martin, I must explain more about the page in order to avoid these questions. However, I'm gonna clarify. First of all, I didn't know you have similar page of GNURadio on Facebook before and I don't know why the people didn't pay attention to that. Secondly, I don't want to distract you from the mailing list, as you said there is the most attention. This is enough to have only one location for discussions and here is the best as I found. I just want to propagate GNURadio ideas and its news etc. (as a mean to attract more people). Thirdly, as you mentioned, I have to do much on this page to make it up to date from time to time. However, I may do not have enough time to do so. Currently I'm looking for someone to help me on this. Fourthly, I called the page GNURadio as it is. I also care about its verification. This is page isn't verified by Facebook. If it was verified by an original publisher, a sign of blue tick must be appeared next to the name of the page, take a look at ted page https://www.facebook.com/TED. I know if the page isn't designed carefully and interesting, it would harm the picture of GNURadio too. *For your questions:* # I just can decide on my status quo and now I can say that I handle the page but the future isn't deterministic for me. # I believe in that this page will absolutely attract more people to GNURadio. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Marcus Müller mar...@hostalia.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as a single, small, sometimes lost, developer, I ask you: please don't open side channels on your own. A lot of us have been around this mailing list for a very long time, and we try to keep information as concentrated as possible. Already now we see a lot of people following tutorials from more-or-less dubious, most of the time totally outdated websites. We should really try to keep gnuradio.org the official page for all information on GNU Radio. I don't see why anyone of the official core team should try to update a facebook page with release info etc, if there is no question that this information can and should be found in gnuradio.org; I think you might have gone a little to far promising constant updates. Also, there's a lively community around GNU Radio, and things like conference announcements never go unnoticed on the discuss-gnuradio mailing list, so I really don't see the demand for a more communicative platform. In fact, the mailing list, the #gnuradio on freenode, the github page, the gnuradio.org wiki and of course the regular hangouts as much as conferences and hackfests are so much communication that it actually amounts to a fair amount of work to keep up with all the information exchanged. All in all, facebook is really a terrible platform for discussion if you want to make information well-searchable, well documented, self-organized; the average time until a post on the mailing list goes answered is in the order of hours; as a lot of the community earns its money with software radio related occupations, I doubt the frequency of qualified answers on facebook would ever be as high as on the mailing list. Greetings, Marcus On 20.05.2014 07:05, Mostafa Alizadeh wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ? new releases of GNURadio, ? new products of GNURadio, ? GNURadio conferences and events, ? new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTe1hDAAoJEBQ6EdjyzlHtT5QH/1x9pBE7tQS8qBj2pSK9zyPk ktT0iCPA40lSrMsyvzjl1+JKsS8X4p9W79PQyFGtRf42g5wTjUSr0XeGGJLIZcoZ r4asiV0GFc68bbnXMVkrUYkq46wXcrm/lT66rdKbb6WgVy6SyAllyXFVHmO6/xS7 uU/k0aGO5izYlDNPNDyXjgiZ54Qpj6ySXADLaKa7tbSRkfRsUktUv/zXaNehHHGV wSn4QlCHNXUQkN09ARgTyGIQlfWnolO++ENTjeqfKQKvJrN5BtgcELPY+N+Xq4zs DACuK9VooXYtm5TQDJ3K4fObe53bziM6gGkQU1dCEcEoTklF4SRM9+37Q+ZGhDU= =r6Yx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
I won't repeat what has already been written by others, but I will agree with them that my primary means of GR related help and discussion is this email list, IRC, and personal emails. My Facebook account is not used for work purposes, and I have no use for a work FB account; so, I won't be joining this group. That said, if others value this means for discussing GNU Radio then by all means proceed. -That- said, please make group postings public such that anybody in the group can cross-post to this email list and anybody can read the referred-to posting on FB without requiring a FB account. - MLD ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
Hi dear Marcus, I didn't really want to move attention from here to other places! The GNURadio website didn't constructed informative. I mean any updates to the website do not appear for GNURadio followers. At least one of the Facebook advantages is its real-time interactions and communications. I'm not gonna compare this page with this mailing list, however, Facebook let more people engages in GNURadio. best, Mostafa On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Marcus Müller mar...@hostalia.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as a single, small, sometimes lost, developer, I ask you: please don't open side channels on your own. A lot of us have been around this mailing list for a very long time, and we try to keep information as concentrated as possible. Already now we see a lot of people following tutorials from more-or-less dubious, most of the time totally outdated websites. We should really try to keep gnuradio.org the official page for all information on GNU Radio. I don't see why anyone of the official core team should try to update a facebook page with release info etc, if there is no question that this information can and should be found in gnuradio.org; I think you might have gone a little to far promising constant updates. Also, there's a lively community around GNU Radio, and things like conference announcements never go unnoticed on the discuss-gnuradio mailing list, so I really don't see the demand for a more communicative platform. In fact, the mailing list, the #gnuradio on freenode, the github page, the gnuradio.org wiki and of course the regular hangouts as much as conferences and hackfests are so much communication that it actually amounts to a fair amount of work to keep up with all the information exchanged. All in all, facebook is really a terrible platform for discussion if you want to make information well-searchable, well documented, self-organized; the average time until a post on the mailing list goes answered is in the order of hours; as a lot of the community earns its money with software radio related occupations, I doubt the frequency of qualified answers on facebook would ever be as high as on the mailing list. Greetings, Marcus On 20.05.2014 07:05, Mostafa Alizadeh wrote: Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ? new releases of GNURadio, ? new products of GNURadio, ? GNURadio conferences and events, ? new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTe1hDAAoJEBQ6EdjyzlHtT5QH/1x9pBE7tQS8qBj2pSK9zyPk ktT0iCPA40lSrMsyvzjl1+JKsS8X4p9W79PQyFGtRf42g5wTjUSr0XeGGJLIZcoZ r4asiV0GFc68bbnXMVkrUYkq46wXcrm/lT66rdKbb6WgVy6SyAllyXFVHmO6/xS7 uU/k0aGO5izYlDNPNDyXjgiZ54Qpj6ySXADLaKa7tbSRkfRsUktUv/zXaNehHHGV wSn4QlCHNXUQkN09ARgTyGIQlfWnolO++ENTjeqfKQKvJrN5BtgcELPY+N+Xq4zs DACuK9VooXYtm5TQDJ3K4fObe53bziM6gGkQU1dCEcEoTklF4SRM9+37Q+ZGhDU= =r6Yx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
[Discuss-gnuradio] Facebook
Hi everybody, To be more communicative, we'v designed a page of GNURadio on facebook https://www.facebook.com/gnuradiodeveloper This page specially is for GNURadio developers who are following GNURadio ecosystem: ✔ new releases of GNURadio, ✔ new products of GNURadio, ✔ GNURadio conferences and events, ✔ new GNURadio-related projects and anything else related to GNURadio. We're looking for administrators for helping us on this page. Every volunteer Mail me. best, Mostafa ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
