Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Application Terms: (Was:) CF vs Velocity

2007-01-22 Thread Howard Fore

On 1/21/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now it seems to me that that layers come into play here and it is all about
layers.


Yep. In the application architecture the phrase that pays is multiple
tiers. See http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/ntier.html
for a good article.



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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

2007-01-22 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine

New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and 
support?  Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the 
BlueDragon Alliance?  Or the consistent differences in reliability and 
performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET?


Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this 
move (I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them).  From your 
comments are you implying screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate 
them.  And that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and 
the direction they are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia?  People jump 
various ships all the time, but just wanting to know your 'why'.

mcg





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Have you read any of my previous posts to various lists regarding New 
Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? 
 Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon 
Alliance?  Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance 
we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET?  If not then take a look, or 
feel free to call me personally at 770-446-8866 and I'll be happy to 
share.
 
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
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From: Teddy Payne 
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

Adam,
Thank you for the colorful commentation. 
 
Can you offer a more thoughtful and objective point of view that would not 
slander one side or the other and would avoid a flame war?
 
I am sure our readers would be interested in the ramifications of 
enterprise business to business partnerships versus product bias.
 
Teddy

 
On 1/19/07, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 I can only wish that one day that the two product will merge and 
 support one another... 
 
Oh, God, no no no NO NO NO NO!!
 
Lord, I know I've done You wrong before.  I know I've had my differences 
with You in the past and not done as You'd wished from time to time.  And 
I'm deeply sorry, Lord, *deeply* sorry, if I've offended You in any way, 
and I thank You for showing me the Light. 
 
I know now that I should have never invented the Puppy Trebuchet, had them 
manufactured by child slave labor in China, and sold them at an obscene 
profit to the idle rich.  I know that now, because You've showed me The 
Way. 
 
I know now, Dear Lord, that it is not right to initiate dozens of 
simultaneous office pools around Atlanta on which employee can give the 
boss Herpes the fastest, take 10% For The House, and use that money to 
finance underground Free First Taste Of Crack Day for middle schoolers. 
You've shown me that it's wrong. 
 
But Lord, if You have any mercy left in You for the wretch that is me... 
If You can forgive me just one more time...  If You can do one thing for 
me, then please please *PLEASE* don't ever let Adobe get their hands on 
BlueDragon.NET, Lord, please.
 
Please keep them apart, Dear Lord, so that the pristine nature of 
BlueDragon.NET is not sullied.  So that it remains a shining beacon of 
CFML performance when loads get heavy.  So that we, it's disciples, can 
hear The Voice Of Reason when we need support, and not have to wait for 
generations in hopeless bondage.  So that freedom of choice may reign. 
 
Thank you, and Amen.
 
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity

2007-01-22 Thread Douglas Knudsen

On 1/21/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not meaning to start some thing but here goes and somehow I smell one side
of a flame war being sparked.

AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email
generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching
about
Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an
alternative
application language to CF.

In my application I have:

Able Commerce (Java Based Cart) with a CF built Web Output and management
application.

I am running MySQL4, but will upgrade to 5 when I know it will be ok, and
have the time to do it.

I use Navicat (and LOVE IT) to manage MySQL.

I have a need to develop an intranet to bring AbleCommerce to the level
that
it isn't, for my application.

With all that my mind asks the question...
Could Struts and Velocity do the same job?
If yes what are the pros and cons?




yes, they could.  Struts and Velocity are a combo of framework and JSP tag
lib, plus a few other classes.  ColdFusion is not much different really, but
it encapsulates more low level 'stuff' and will be quicker to pick up and
run with.  Struts and Velocity are going to require quite a bit more
understanding of J2EE/Java.

What motivated me to ask this question?



I stumbled onto this blog comment at

http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm

And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move
over
to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called
ColdFusion.

Comments??

PS. Charlie I know its not my day but what the hey?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

2007-01-22 Thread Adam Churvis
Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this move 
(I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them).  From your comments 
are you implying screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate them.  And 
that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and the direction they 
are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia?  People jump various ships all the 
time, but just wanting to know your 'why'. 


Ever since V6.0 we've had nothing but *expensive* problems with the product, 
and no one listening on the (then) Macromedia side of the publisher-developer 
relationship.  Like a lot of ColdFusion developers, we had come to consider 
this as just par for the course, and like frogs slowly brought to the boil, we 
never realized just how bad it was until we started using BlueDragon.NET, and 
suddenly 95% of the problems disappeared.

For the remaining 5%, it turns out they were there because NA was emulating 
MM's flawed design for certain functionality.  But NA stepped up and solved 
this problem within hours.  They listened, they worked with us, they got the 
job done -- and they did so with professionalism, a handshake, and a thank you 
for working with us attitude.

Over the years I've also payed close attention to these two companies' 
political climates and the people that guide their technology focus, and I'm 
firmly convinced that NA is running just about everything correctly.  My only 
pet peeve with NA -- and this totally stumps me to this day -- is why the hell 
they aren't screaming the truth from every rooftop: that BD.NET beats the pants 
off Adobe's product in reliability and performance, hands down.  I've tried to 
imagine some clever evil genius hand-wringing strategy they might be playing 
out, but I'm stumped.  Maybe they really are just very nice guys who don't want 
to step on any toes.

Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee



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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

2007-01-22 Thread Adam Churvis
Mary-Catherine,

Even better -- here's a copy of a post I sent to the BlueDragon list a while 
ago:

-
If you think that's customer service, try this.

Last year on the Friday before the Christmas holiday, when everone in the world 
was taking the day off to be with their families, David and I discovered an 
obscure CFLOGIN syndication issue with BD 6.1 when using hardware load 
balancing on a cluster with syndicated session objects using ScaleOut 
StateServer.  We debugged for a couple of hours, then called New Atlanta and 
told them that we really needed to solve this issue immediately.

So what would you expect to happen?

Vince himself comes out to *our* office with his laptop and the BD.NET source 
code, and we work together for a few hours to uncover the problem.  It turns 
out that because we're always diligent about putting OUTPUT=No in both the 
CFCOMPONENT and CFFUNCTION tags, this triggered an issue unique to our 
environment that he traced to a single line in the source code.  So Vince 
corrects it, compiles us a special version, and everything works perfectly.  
Vince waited until everything worked before he went home to his family after 
6:00 that night.  And he was more than happy to do it.

Some days later we came up against a second issue that also has affected 
clustered BD (and CF) apps: the fact that you can't have failover that honors 
authorization, because roles aren't syndicated between machines.  So we were 
put in touch directly with the guy who was responsible for that part of the BD 
codebase, and we all worked out the design of the solution for how roles could 
be syndicated between machines in a cluster.

30 hours later, at about 2:15 AM, we got a fix emailed to us.  And that is what 
made BD.NET the only CFML processor that handles the entire CFLOGIN framework 
across machines in a cluster with full failover.

Well, you don't have to hit *me* in the head a third time...  I resigned from 
Team Macromedia the following day, then David and I joined the BlueDragon 
Alliance.

I can't tell you how good I feel about the level of service I get from New 
Atlanta.  I am confident that the BD.NET solutions I deploy will just work, all 
the time.  No server hangs from zero-byte mail spool files.  No RegEx DoS 
attacks.  No JVM Bind errors.  No running out of database connections.  It just 
works.  And if it ever doesn't work -- even under the most exclusive and 
obscure conditions that might not affect others -- I get the best of the best 
handling it immediately.

If the software industry had Marines, New Atlanta would be them.
-

Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee



Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
ProductivityEnhancement.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth



   
  New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and 
support?  Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon 
Alliance?  Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've 
seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? 
   

  Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this 
move (I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them).  From your 
comments are you implying screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate 
them.  And that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and the 
direction they are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia?  People jump various 
ships all the time, but just wanting to know your 'why'. 

  mcg 




Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
01/19/2007 04:32 PM Please respond to
  discussion@acfug.org 


   To discussion@acfug.org  
  cc  
  Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth 

  

   



  Have you read any of my previous posts to various lists regarding New 
Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support?  Or 
the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon Alliance?  
Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've seen between 
ColdFusion and BD.NET?  If not then take a look, or feel free to call me 
personally at 770-446-8866 and I'll be happy to share. 

  Respectfully, 

  Adam Phillip Churvis
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
  BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee 


  Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
  C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
  ProductivityEnhancement.com 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Teddy Payne 
  To: discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:56 PM 
  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth 

  Adam, 
  Thank you for the 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

2007-01-22 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
Thanks for the responses.  Not like the government is going to jump ship 
any time soon.

mcg





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Mary-Catherine,
 
Even better -- here's a copy of a post I sent to the BlueDragon list a 
while ago:
 
-
If you think that's customer service, try this.
 
Last year on the Friday before the Christmas holiday, when everone in the 
world was taking the day off to be with their families, David and I 
discovered an obscure CFLOGIN syndication issue with BD 6.1 when using 
hardware load balancing on a cluster with syndicated session objects using 
ScaleOut StateServer.  We debugged for a couple of hours, then called New 
Atlanta and told them that we really needed to solve this issue 
immediately.
 
So what would you expect to happen?
 
Vince himself comes out to *our* office with his laptop and the BD.NET 
source code, and we work together for a few hours to uncover the problem. 
It turns out that because we're always diligent about putting OUTPUT=No 
in both the CFCOMPONENT and CFFUNCTION tags, this triggered an issue 
unique to our environment that he traced to a single line in the source 
code.  So Vince corrects it, compiles us a special version, and everything 
works perfectly.  Vince waited until everything worked before he went home 
to his family after 6:00 that night.  And he was more than happy to do it.
 
Some days later we came up against a second issue that also has affected 
clustered BD (and CF) apps: the fact that you can't have failover that 
honors authorization, because roles aren't syndicated between machines. So 
we were put in touch directly with the guy who was responsible for that 
part of the BD codebase, and we all worked out the design of the solution 
for how roles could be syndicated between machines in a cluster.
 
30 hours later, at about 2:15 AM, we got a fix emailed to us.  And that is 
what made BD.NET the only CFML processor that handles the entire CFLOGIN 
framework across machines in a cluster with full failover.
 
Well, you don't have to hit *me* in the head a third time...  I resigned 
from Team Macromedia the following day, then David and I joined the 
BlueDragon Alliance.
 
I can't tell you how good I feel about the level of service I get from New 
Atlanta.  I am confident that the BD.NET solutions I deploy will just 
work, all the time.  No server hangs from zero-byte mail spool files.  No 
RegEx DoS attacks.  No JVM Bind errors.  No running out of database 
connections.  It just works.  And if it ever doesn't work -- even under 
the most exclusive and obscure conditions that might not affect others -- 
I get the best of the best handling it immediately.
 
If the software industry had Marines, New Atlanta would be them.
-
 
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
ProductivityEnhancement.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: discussion@acfug.org 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth


 
New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and 
support?  Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the 
BlueDragon Alliance?  Or the consistent differences in reliability and 
performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? 
 

Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this 
move (I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them).  From your 
comments are you implying screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate 
them.  And that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and 
the direction they are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia?  People jump 
various ships all the time, but just wanting to know your 'why'. 

mcg 




Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
01/19/2007 04:32 PM 

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Have you read any of my previous posts to various lists regarding New 
Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? 
 Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon 
Alliance?  Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance 
we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET?  If not then take a look, or 
feel free to call me personally at 770-446-8866 and I'll be happy to 
share. 
 
Respectfully, 
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee 
Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity

2007-01-22 Thread Robert Reil
Thanks Doug.
 

Robert P. Reil

Managing Director,

Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

4292 Country Garden Walk NW

Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

Office 770-974-8851

Fax 770-974-8852

www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/  

 

  _  

From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:30 AM
To: Carbs SalesService
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF vs Velocity




On 1/21/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 

Not meaning to start some thing but here goes and somehow I smell one side
of a flame war being sparked.

AbleCommerce CFMX5.5 uses Jakarta Velocity to manage dynamic email
generation. I have bought 2 books on Velocity and done much searching about 
Velocity on the net and the more I read I find that it may be an alternative
application language to CF.

In my application I have:

Able Commerce (Java Based Cart) with a CF built Web Output and management 
application.

I am running MySQL4, but will upgrade to 5 when I know it will be ok, and
have the time to do it.

I use Navicat (and LOVE IT) to manage MySQL.

I have a need to develop an intranet to bring AbleCommerce to the level that

it isn't, for my application.

With all that my mind asks the question...
Could Struts and Velocity do the same job?
If yes what are the pros and cons?



yes, they could.  Struts and Velocity are a combo of framework and JSP tag
lib, plus a few other classes.  ColdFusion is not much different really, but
it encapsulates more low level 'stuff' and will be quicker to pick up and
run with.  Struts and Velocity are going to require quite a bit more
understanding of J2EE/Java. 



What motivated me to ask this question?

 
I stumbled onto this blog comment at
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/04/controlling_whi.cfm
 
 
And if you are on MX, and are using Java, why use CF at all? Just move over
to a struts/Velocity/Servlet framework and do away with the crap called
ColdFusion.

Comments?? 

PS. Charlie I know its not my day but what the hey?

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com http://Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com 


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Application Terms: (Was:) CF vs Velocity

2007-01-22 Thread Robert Reil
Thanks Howard. Will read that shortly. 


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Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-Original Message-
From: Howard Fore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Carbs SalesService
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Application Terms: (Was:) CF vs Velocity

On 1/21/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now it seems to me that that layers come into play here and it is all 
 about layers.

Yep. In the application architecture the phrase that pays is multiple
tiers. See http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/ntier.html
for a good article.



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[ACFUG Discuss] cfxml

2007-01-22 Thread robertlash
What version (MM/Adobe) was the CFXML tag added?
Is it available in CFML 6.1?

Robert


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] cfxml

2007-01-22 Thread axunderwood
Yes, it was available in 6.1

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What version (MM/Adobe) was the CFXML tag added?
Is it available in CFML 6.1?

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Finding when a tag/function was added (was RE: [ACFUG Discuss] cfxml)

2007-01-22 Thread Charlie Arehart
Robert (and others), if you ever have that sort of question (when was this
tag, function, attribute, or argument added?), the CF docs have evolved in
recent years to make it easier to answer.

First, the CFML Reference docs themselves, as of CFMX, now tell you when
each new tag or function (or attribute or argument) has been added since
CFMX. You can see that at the livedocs.macromedia.com, of course, or at
cfquickdocs.com (or in your own local copy of the docs).

Second, perhaps of more interest, to some, is a document that breaks it down
into detail when even older tags/attributes/functions/arguments were added.
That's available as a download by way of
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18791. It's also
available online via the ACT CFUG (Canberra Australia) at
http://www.actcfug.com/files/cfmlhistory/.  Sadly, it was not updated for
CFMX 7, but again the refs themselves do document 7 changes.

And in case it's important to anyone, that document would show that CFXML
was in fact introduced in CFMX (6.0). Of course, Robert also asked if it was
in 6.1, and Allen answered that accurately and affirmatively. :-)

/Charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/  

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Yes, it was available in 6.1

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What version (MM/Adobe) was the CFXML tag added?
Is it available in CFML 6.1?

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[ACFUG Discuss] SHA-1 cracked

2007-01-22 Thread John Mason
These things are always going to happen (just give it enought time), but a
research team in China finally cracked SHA-1. 
 
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/20/1936257
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/20/1936257from=rss from=rss
 
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[ACFUG Discuss] Is this getting through?

2007-01-22 Thread Tom Chambers





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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Is this getting through?

2007-01-22 Thread Robert Reil
yep 


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth

2007-01-22 Thread Vince Bonfanti
It depends on which government you're referring to. The Georgia Department
of Transportation (GDOT) is running BlueDragon on BEA WebLogic, the U.S.
Senate is running BlueDragon.NET, the City of Los Angeles and Hillsborough
County (Florida) are running BlueDragon Server JX. I'm sure there are
more--those are just the first ones I can think of offhand.
 
Let me know if you'd like more information, or want to arrange a meeting.
 
Regards,
 
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com


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Thanks for the responses.  Not like the government is going to jump ship any
time soon. 

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