RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
Ajas, I think there's an important explanation for what you're seeing, that you may not be considering. First, as Troy has said, yes, the installer does not change based on Std, Ent, Trial, or Dev. The one installer does ask during installation which of those you want. But second, as for the size difference you see, there may be a very important explanation for that. (Even if you know this, I'll share it as much for others as it's a source of frequent confusion.) Note that the CF9 installer you would download today from the Adobe site, which has been there since May of 2012, is NOT 9.0 (as it was for 2-3 years prior)-it is 9.0.2, which is (like 9.0) a full installer. It includes 9.0+9.0.1 but lacks Verity (the main reason for its creation), and it also includes all the hfs available as of its release in May 2012. (You still need to add more updates, as I'll discuss in a moment.) While Adobe did (some months ago) change the site (http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/downloads_updates.html#cf9) to more clearly indicate on the page that the CF9 installer is a 9.0.2 installer, they did not change the filename to so clearly indicate this. The current 902 download filename (on that page I just mentioned) is ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe. You mention the old one you see as being ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe, and I do think that was the 9.0 installer filename. Is the new one you're comparing the same name? or the one with WWEJ that I just mentioned? If so, that's the difference. Also, be careful too then NOT to download and install over that the still-available 9.0.1 updater. That is for updating a 9.0 install. If you run it atop a 9.0.2, it will not warn you (it was built before 9.0.2 came out so is not aware of it), and it will break your CF installation. Finally, just as all releases of CF, note that the 9.0.2 installer offered there is not the latest. There are HFs available for that since its release. (To those who might complain about that, note that it's hard for Adobe to build a new installer for a release, given all the permutations of supported platforms and related tools like DBs and web servers, so they build new installers only on major updates or new releases.) /charlie From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file Thanks Troy. Ajas Mohammed / On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Troy Jones t...@thirdwavedigital.com wrote: I believe that is correct. The installer handles all versions. Thank you, Troy Jones From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:17 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file Hi, Just checking if the installer available on adobe's site for CF 9 64 bit would work with Enterprise license. I downloaded one earlier named ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe which is 443,876KB in size and was wondering if the installer is same for standard and enterprise or even developer and the license key would trigger the actual type of installation i.e. standard license vs enterprise license. Ajas Mohammed / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
Thanks Charlie for clarification. We have unique situation where in we want CF 9 ONLY with verity, as one of our app is based of verity. We are moving to new servers 64 bit Win 2008 R2 from the old 32 bit win 2003. We want to setup exact replica of our current setup, hence we want, CF 9 only as we would have needed a lot of testing on CF 10 to make sure our app doesnt break or we dont come across new issues. We do lot of pdfs and it becomes an issue once the pdf rendering is affected by font size etc. So CF 9 to CF 10 migration is not an option and management prefers CF 9 setup on new servers. Coming back to original topic. I had downloaded the ColdFusion_9_WWE_ win64.exe file sometime back as in probably few months back or maybe last year. I did notice that the downloads available as of now are for 9.0.2 ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe, which we dont want. Honestly, i missed that J on the installer file on first reading. :-) So I was not comparing, the newer ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe vs older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. My concern was that if i Use the older installer file, to install FRESH COPY OF CF 9 on our new servers and use the enterprise key, then it would work or not. Looks like it will work. So I will use the older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe and install CF 9 and make a note to myself, that I install the important hotfix from Jan 2013( was cumulative) and the 2 more that got released last month. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Ajas Mohammed / iUseDropbox(http://db.tt/63Lvone9) http://ajashadi.blogspot.com We cannot become what we need to be, remaining what we are. No matter what, find a way. Because thats what winners do. You can't improve what you don't measure. Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Charlie Arehart char...@carehart.orgwrote: Ajas, I think there’s an important explanation for what you’re seeing, that you may not be considering. First, as Troy has said, yes, the installer does not change based on Std, Ent, Trial, or Dev. The one installer does ask during installation which of those you want. But second, as for the size difference you see, there may be a very important explanation for that. (Even if you know this, I’ll share it as much for others as it’s a source of frequent confusion.) Note that the CF9 installer you would download today from the Adobe site, which has been there since May of 2012, is NOT 9.0 (as it was for 2-3 years prior)—it is 9.0.2, which is (like 9.0) a full installer. It includes 9.0+9.0.1 but lacks Verity (the main reason for its creation), and it also includes all the hfs available as of its release in May 2012. (You still need to add more updates, as I’ll discuss in a moment.) While Adobe did (some months ago) change the site ( http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/downloads_updates.html#cf9) to more clearly indicate on the page that the “CF9 installer” is a 9.0.2 installer, they did not change the filename to so clearly indicate this. The current 902 download filename (on that page I just mentioned) is ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe. You mention the “old” one you see as being ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe, and I do think that was the “9.0” installer filename. Is the “new” one you’re comparing the same name? or the one with WWEJ that I just mentioned? If so, that’s the difference. Also, be careful too then NOT to download and install over that the still-available 9.0.1 updater. That is for updating a 9.0 install. If you run it atop a 9.0.2, it will not warn you (it was built before 9.0.2 came out so is not aware of it), and it will break your CF installation. Finally, just as all releases of CF, note that the 9.0.2 installer offered there is not “the latest”. There are HFs available for that since its release. (To those who might complain about that, note that it’s hard for Adobe to build a new installer for a release, given all the permutations of supported platforms and related tools like DBs and web servers, so they build new installers only on major updates or new releases.) /charlie *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Ajas Mohammed *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:48 PM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file ** ** Thanks Troy. Ajas Mohammed / On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Troy Jones t...@thirdwavedigital.com wrote: I believe that is correct. The installer handles all versions. Thank you, Troy Jones *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Ajas Mohammed *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:17 PM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file Hi, Just checking if the installer available on adobe's site
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
Glad to help. A few more thoughts. First, to be clear, I made no mention of CF10 at all. Not sure what led you to bring that up. :-) As for your situation, I do now understand that you would want 9.0 and not 9.0.2. That's fine. I was just clarifying the situation. So if you have a 9.0 installer, I'd be curious what the other one was that you were comparing. You're saying it's the same name, but different size? That would be odd. Finally, do note that you will need to do 9.0, then 9.0.1, then the CHFs and HFs for 9.0.1 on top of that, to get you to the latest version you can have of 9.0.1, assuming that's what you have or had and are trying to recreate. One last thing: you said cf 9 in the last two paragraphs, and I think you would do yourself (and readers) a favor to be more explicit. CF 9.0.2 is as much cf9 as is 9.0 or 9.0.1. When you're talking about matters of installation and updating, it's critical to be accurate. As always, just trying to help. :-) /charlie From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file Thanks Charlie for clarification. We have unique situation where in we want CF 9 ONLY with verity, as one of our app is based of verity. We are moving to new servers 64 bit Win 2008 R2 from the old 32 bit win 2003. We want to setup exact replica of our current setup, hence we want, CF 9 only as we would have needed a lot of testing on CF 10 to make sure our app doesnt break or we dont come across new issues. We do lot of pdfs and it becomes an issue once the pdf rendering is affected by font size etc. So CF 9 to CF 10 migration is not an option and management prefers CF 9 setup on new servers. Coming back to original topic. I had downloaded the ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe file sometime back as in probably few months back or maybe last year. I did notice that the downloads available as of now are for 9.0.2 ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe, which we dont want. Honestly, i missed that J on the installer file on first reading. :-) So I was not comparing, the newer ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe vs older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. My concern was that if i Use the older installer file, to install FRESH COPY OF CF 9 on our new servers and use the enterprise key, then it would work or not. Looks like it will work. So I will use the older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe and install CF 9 and make a note to myself, that I install the important hotfix from Jan 2013( was cumulative) and the 2 more that got released last month. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Ajas Mohammed / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
Point noted. CF 9.0 It is from now. :-) Makes sense to me. I always thought cf 9 means 9.0 and people mention 9.0.1 and 9.0.2 if they happen to use that *specific* version, I didn't know/realize 9.0.2 could be read as cf 9 or vice versa also. About Cf 10, i mentioned it, because someone would say, why dont you start with fresh install (new servers right) of CF 10 and dont worry about upgrades in future. It seems you can buy CF10 and request adobe for CF 9.0 license via backwards licensing. Different topic but thats what we plan to do. Not sure if that is 9.0.2 license. I am assuming they give you 9.0 license and not 9.0.1 or 9.0.2. I dont know if the version matters in case of a license, specific to 9.0 and 9.0.x. About installers, well I had an old (2yr old perhaps) installer and also one which i downloaded few months back and size is same on both ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. I just didnt know which one to trust as good source. Sorry for confusion. Finally, do note that you will need to do 9.0, then 9.0.1, then the CHFs and HFs for 9.0.1 on top of that, to get you to the latest version you can have of 9.0.1, assuming that’s what you have or had and are trying to recreate. About this, we dont want to do 9.0.1 as we never did that on our current prodn servers or QA servers. We want to stay with 9.0 only with latest security hotfixes ofcourse. Ajas Mohammed / iUseDropbox(http://db.tt/63Lvone9) http://ajashadi.blogspot.com We cannot become what we need to be, remaining what we are. No matter what, find a way. Because thats what winners do. You can't improve what you don't measure. Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Charlie Arehart char...@carehart.orgwrote: Glad to help. A few more thoughts. First, to be clear, I made no mention of CF10 at all. Not sure what led you to bring that up. :-) As for your situation, I do now understand that you would want 9.0 and not 9.0.2. That’s fine. I was just clarifying the situation. So if you have a 9.0 installer, I’d be curious what the “other one” was that you were comparing. You’re saying it’s the same name, but different size? That would be odd. Finally, do note that you will need to do 9.0, then 9.0.1, then the CHFs and HFs for 9.0.1 on top of that, to get you to the latest version you can have of 9.0.1, assuming that’s what you have or had and are trying to recreate. One last thing: you said “cf 9” in the last two paragraphs, and I think you would do yourself (and readers) a favor to be more explicit. CF 9.0.2 is as much “cf9” as is 9.0 or 9.0.1. When you’re talking about matters of installation and updating, it’s critical to be accurate. As always, just trying to help. :-) ** ** /charlie ** ** *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Ajas Mohammed *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07 AM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file ** ** Thanks Charlie for clarification. We have unique situation where in we want CF 9 ONLY with verity, as one of our app is based of verity. We are moving to new servers 64 bit Win 2008 R2 from the old 32 bit win 2003. We want to setup exact replica of our current setup, hence we want, CF 9 only as we would have needed a lot of testing on CF 10 to make sure our app doesnt break or we dont come across new issues. We do lot of pdfs and it becomes an issue once the pdf rendering is affected by font size etc. So CF 9 to CF 10 migration is not an option and management prefers CF 9 setup on new servers. Coming back to original topic. I had downloaded the ColdFusion_9_WWE_ win64.exe file sometime back as in probably few months back or maybe last year. I did notice that the downloads available as of now are for 9.0.2 ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe, which we dont want. Honestly, i missed that J on the installer file on first reading. :-) So I was not comparing, the newer ColdFusion_9_WWEJ_win64.exe vs older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. My concern was that if i Use the older installer file, to install FRESH COPY OF CF 9 on our new servers and use the enterprise key, then it would work or not. Looks like it will work. ** ** So I will use the older file ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe and install CF 9 and make a note to myself, that I install the important hotfix from Jan 2013( was cumulative) and the 2 more that got released last month. ** ** Thanks for the detailed explanation. ** ** Ajas Mohammed / ** ** - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: New CF Vulnerability - Check your servers
Thanks Cameron. There were 2 more hotfixes released after this for CF 9.0 (in our case).Looks like hotfix 3 includes 2 as well. So, if someone doesnt apply hf2, He can use hf3 and be up to date right(with hf2 included). I am I correct in this assumption? Can someone confirm please? hf 2 -- http://helpx.adobe.com/coldfusion/kb/cumulative-hotfix-2-coldfusion-900.html hf 3 -- http://helpx.adobe.com/coldfusion/kb/cumulative-hotfix-3-coldfusion-900.html Thanks. Ajas Mohammed / iUseDropbox(http://db.tt/63Lvone9) http://ajashadi.blogspot.com We cannot become what we need to be, remaining what we are. No matter what, find a way. Because thats what winners do. You can't improve what you don't measure. Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: One more post about this exploit to remind (scare you into) applying the hotfix. http://breenmachine.blogspot.com/2013/03/cool-coldfusion-post-exploitation.html -Cameron On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: FYI - worth reading up on this. http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2013/1/2/serious_security_threat http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2013/1/2/Part2_serious_security_threat -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
Thanks for the clarifications. As for the CF9 backwards licensing, the good news is that a CF 9 license is indeed for any version: 9.0, 9.0.1, or 9.0.2. :-) As for your having the 2 files, the old and one from a few months, if they are the same, I thought you had said you found one had a different size. Was that still some other? As for your last comment, to be clear, that's why I did add, assuming that's what you have or had and are trying to recreate. :-) That said, I would wonder why one on 9 would not want to move to 9.0.1. It's free, and does add some useful new functionality (for coders and for admins). But I do appreciate you may feel you need to test first. Just saying it's worth considering. :-) Fortunately, Adobe does indeed still provide updates for 9.0, 9.0.1, and 9.0.2, so you're not missing out there, though it does mean people need to be sure to apply the right fix for the right version! :-) /charlie From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:58 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file Point noted. CF 9.0 It is from now. :-) Makes sense to me. I always thought cf 9 means 9.0 and people mention 9.0.1 and 9.0.2 if they happen to use that *specific* version, I didn't know/realize 9.0.2 could be read as cf 9 or vice versa also. About Cf 10, i mentioned it, because someone would say, why dont you start with fresh install (new servers right) of CF 10 and dont worry about upgrades in future. It seems you can buy CF10 and request adobe for CF 9.0 license via backwards licensing. Different topic but thats what we plan to do. Not sure if that is 9.0.2 license. I am assuming they give you 9.0 license and not 9.0.1 or 9.0.2. I dont know if the version matters in case of a license, specific to 9.0 and 9.0.x. About installers, well I had an old (2yr old perhaps) installer and also one which i downloaded few months back and size is same on both ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. I just didnt know which one to trust as good source. Sorry for confusion. Finally, do note that you will need to do 9.0, then 9.0.1, then the CHFs and HFs for 9.0.1 on top of that, to get you to the latest version you can have of 9.0.1, assuming that's what you have or had and are trying to recreate. About this, we dont want to do 9.0.1 as we never did that on our current prodn servers or QA servers. We want to stay with 9.0 only with latest security hotfixes of course. Ajas Mohammed / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file
No, both files were same size and same name. I guess when I downloaded first file couple of yrs back, I had downloaded it as developer edition 64 bit and then when I downloaded few months back, it was straight 64 bit and It got me thinking, what if I install CF 9.0 (yes 9.0 this time) using developer installer and if it doesnt work , I will be in bit of bother. But apparently not, as installers are same, license will trigger Enterprise version. :-) Thanks, Ajas Mohammed / iUseDropbox(http://db.tt/63Lvone9) http://ajashadi.blogspot.com We cannot become what we need to be, remaining what we are. No matter what, find a way. Because thats what winners do. You can't improve what you don't measure. Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Charlie Arehart char...@carehart.orgwrote: Thanks for the clarifications. As for the CF9 backwards licensing, the good news is that a CF 9 license is indeed for any version: 9.0, 9.0.1, or 9.0.2. :-) As for your having the 2 files, the old and one from a few months, if they are the same, I thought you had said you found one had a different size. Was that still some other? As for your last comment, to be clear, that’s why I did add, “assuming that’s what you have or had and are trying to recreate”. :-) That said, I would wonder why one on 9 would not want to move to 9.0.1. It’s free, and does add some useful new functionality (for coders and for admins). But I do appreciate you may feel you need to test first. Just saying it’s worth considering. :-) Fortunately, Adobe does indeed still provide updates for 9.0, 9.0.1, and 9.0.2, so you’re not missing out there, though it does mean people need to be sure to apply the right fix for the right version! :-) /charlie *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Ajas Mohammed *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:58 PM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 64 bit installer file ** ** Point noted. CF 9.0 It is from now. :-) Makes sense to me. I always thought cf 9 means 9.0 and people mention 9.0.1 and 9.0.2 if they happen to use that *specific* version, I didn't know/realize 9.0.2 could be read as cf 9 or vice versa also. About Cf 10, i mentioned it, because someone would say, why dont you start with fresh install (new servers right) of CF 10 and dont worry about upgrades in future. It seems you can buy CF10 and request adobe for CF 9.0 license via backwards licensing. Different topic but thats what we plan to do. Not sure if that is 9.0.2 license. I am assuming they give you 9.0 license and not 9.0.1 or 9.0.2. I dont know if the version matters in case of a license, specific to 9.0 and 9.0.x. About installers, well I had an old (2yr old perhaps) installer and also one which i downloaded few months back and size is same on both ColdFusion_9_WWE_win64.exe. I just didnt know which one to trust as good source. Sorry for confusion. Finally, do note that you will need to do 9.0, then 9.0.1, then the CHFs and HFs for 9.0.1 on top of that, to get you to the latest version you can have of 9.0.1, assuming that’s what you have or had and are trying to recreate. About this, we dont want to do 9.0.1 as we never did that on our current prodn servers or QA servers. We want to stay with 9.0 only with latest security hotfixes of course. Ajas Mohammed / ** ** - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com -
