Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee
Hello, Am 05.01.21 um 13:41 schrieb Debian Community News Team: Some people, like Matthias Kirschner and Molly de Blanc, are not developers. They can not do any technical work. There are some people like this in both FSFE and Debian, they have titles, like President in FSFE or "non-uploading Debian Developer", these are titles for imposters and girlfriends. Even normal "uploading Debian Developers" are not developers in a common meaning. They do not develop software (there are some exceptions). Their job as DD is to package software. That is a different task than developing software. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee
On 05/01/2021 14:03, quiliro wrote: > Debian Community News Team writes: > >> On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote: >>> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote: > Which would be a good way to end this fighting? I know there are > wounds. But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per > secula seculorum. >>> >>> Debian Community News Team writes: A group against one person is NEVER acceptable. >>> >>> Your point is clear. I do not have a position here because I have no >>> personal experience in this case. I do agree that a group against one >>> person should not be allowed. >>> >>> My question was not that. I asked if there could be a minimum >>> consensus. If it was possible, which would be the conditions? >>> >>> Is it so difficult for such a smart group of people to think about such >>> a solution which would bring us together in what we _do_ agree upon? > >> Their participation in free software is solely to get money and power >> over other people. >> >> To have some minimum consensus implies that these people have to give up >> some of their power or go away completely. > > At least how much of their power would they have to give up? That is very easy to answer: they would have to allow everybody to have an equal vote Right now, both the FSFE and OSI refuses to register people as voting members. If we are not members then they have no credibility when they claim to speak for us. >> For example, imagine they go to the medical industry and they ask to be >> President of the association for doctors. They are not developers, they >> are not doctors, but they ask to have these titles. > > You are describing most politicians and activists. Politicians and > activists usually want to change things without doing them themselves. > They usually change things by changing policy, not by doing the job > itself. That is not the best. But it is not necesarily bad. Also, > stakeholders are not only the people who do the job. These people also > have the right to incidence. What is your stance about this issue? If people vote for them then they have a mandate and they can make policies If they implement their policies by blackmailing people and spreading defamation then they are gangsters and frauds. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee
Debian Community News Team writes: > On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote: >> >>> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote: Which would be a good way to end this fighting? I know there are wounds. But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per secula seculorum. >> >> Debian Community News Team writes: >>> A group against one person is NEVER acceptable. >> >> Your point is clear. I do not have a position here because I have no >> personal experience in this case. I do agree that a group against one >> person should not be allowed. >> >> My question was not that. I asked if there could be a minimum >> consensus. If it was possible, which would be the conditions? >> >> Is it so difficult for such a smart group of people to think about such >> a solution which would bring us together in what we _do_ agree upon? > Their participation in free software is solely to get money and power > over other people. > > To have some minimum consensus implies that these people have to give up > some of their power or go away completely. At least how much of their power would they have to give up? > For example, imagine they go to the medical industry and they ask to be > President of the association for doctors. They are not developers, they > are not doctors, but they ask to have these titles. You are describing most politicians and activists. Politicians and activists usually want to change things without doing them themselves. They usually change things by changing policy, not by doing the job itself. That is not the best. But it is not necesarily bad. Also, stakeholders are not only the people who do the job. These people also have the right to incidence. What is your stance about this issue? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee
On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote: > >> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote: >>> Which would be a good way to end this fighting? I know there are >>> wounds. But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per >>> secula seculorum. > > Debian Community News Team writes: >> A group against one person is NEVER acceptable. > > Your point is clear. I do not have a position here because I have no > personal experience in this case. I do agree that a group against one > person should not be allowed. > > My question was not that. I asked if there could be a minimum > consensus. If it was possible, which would be the conditions? > > Is it so difficult for such a smart group of people to think about such > a solution which would bring us together in what we _do_ agree upon? There is another fundamental problem Some people, like Matthias Kirschner and Molly de Blanc, are not developers. They can not do any technical work. There are some people like this in both FSFE and Debian, they have titles, like President in FSFE or "non-uploading Debian Developer", these are titles for imposters and girlfriends. Their participation in free software is solely to get money and power over other people. To have some minimum consensus implies that these people have to give up some of their power or go away completely. Every time they feel there is a threat to their power, they attack somebody, like the attacks on the women and the attacks on the last fellowship representative The women were smarter than Kirschner: so he had to sack them and spread rumours about them to make himself look bigger and make them look smaller. That is how weak and cowardly men behave. Kirschner is weak and he is a coward. Try to imagine Matthias Kirschner or Molly de Blanc leaving the FSFE and the OSI and other free software groups and going to another industry. For example, imagine they go to the medical industry and they ask to be President of the association for doctors. They are not developers, they are not doctors, but they ask to have these titles. Would the doctors appoint Matthias Kirschner or Molly de Blanc as their President? Or would they immediately reject them as imposters? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee
Debian Community News Team writes: > Please stop giving money to FSFE > > > https://fsfellowship.eu/court-case-fsfe-women-and-volunteers-face-modern-day-slavery/ > > > The despot described by the female employee is the same despot described > by the former fellowship representative. Which would be a good way to end this fighting? I know there are wounds. But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per secula seculorum. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
