Re: [DNG] upgrade to ascii

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 01:59:23PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hendrik Boom writes:
> 
> > So is this what I should have in my /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade
> > from jessie to ascii?
> >
> > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main
> > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main
> > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main
> > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main
> >
> > and nothing else?
> 
> That should work just fine.  Backports is optional.  I just upgraded
> myself using (almost) the same without any problems and blogged about
> it here
> 
>   https://paddy-hack.gitlab.io/posts/upgrading-devuan-from-jessie-to-ascii/
> 
> Hope this helps,

Hi Olaf,

very nice report, indeed. Thanks.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Hello & Offer to help

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 02:07:28PM +0100, Andreas Messer wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> first of all, I wish you a happy new year! Yesterday I finished to migrate 
> my system from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii. I had a little struggle with 
> KDE5 shutdown/reboot buttons and USB mounting but finally solved this by 
> using 
> lightdm display manager. 

Hi Andreas,

welcome back home.

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> Now, after using Linux based systems for quite a long time now I would like to
> give something back and help Devuan. I think I could help with maintaining 
> some 
> packages. Please give an advice, which packages I could start with or maybe 
> which
> ones are important. Another idea I have is to spend some work on consolekit. 
> When 
> strugling with the KDE5 shutdown/reboot buttons I figured out that the 
> "ck-launch-session" command from consolekit seems to be buggy. But the 
> original 
> consolekit is not developed anymore because of systemd's logind. I have found
> that there is a consolekit2 fork of original consolkit which is still alive 
> and maybe
> it makes sense to have such a package in Devuan? It should fix the problems 
> with
> ck-launch-session. Or is it better to go on with elogind? There was some 
> discussion
> in forums about elogind but I'm unsure if this is already going to be added as
> package to Devuan by someone else. 

IMHO elogind looks more promising as an alternative, but the more
alternatives the better. I guess we should make an effort to include
at least one of elogind/consolekit2 (or possibly both) in Beowulf. So
if you want to help on either you are more than welcome


> 
> So if you think I can help please give me an advice were to start and maybe 
> which 
> packages are required/needed to be handled. What do you think of consolekit2 
> package.
> 

See above. A good place to start getting info about the Devuan package
maintainance workflow is:

  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549

And a good place to get in touch with devs is to join the #devuan-dev
channel on freenode. There is also a devuan-dev mailinglist:

  https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev

HTH

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Adam Borowski wrote on 03.01.2018 00:31:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
>> According to:
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
>> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
>> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
>> smell like negligent package maintenance
> 
> Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian
> maintenance.  To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions.

Ah, just as I thought!

> Stuff won't fix itself...
> 
> In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals.  I see 31 that
> declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around
> half of available terminals declare this tag.

Luckily I'm not the one who asked for it; I seem to remember 
to have tried it once quite some time ago, and wasn't any more 
impressed by it than by any other old terminal emulator.

Thanks for the info anyway.

Best regards

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Adam Borowski]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
> According to:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
> smell like negligent package maintenance

Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian
maintenance.  To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions.

Stuff won't fix itself...

In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals.  I see 31 that
declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around
half of available terminals declare this tag.


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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:37:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>     I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that
> xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as
> roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar dependency
> list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer version of libvte
> (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.

And sakura seems to work quite nicely.  Thanks.

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Alessandro Selli]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 18:03:21 +0100
Irrwahn  wrote:

[...]

> According to:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
> smell like negligent package maintenance,

  Here it says why:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roxterm/rss

Removed 3.3.2-1 from unstable

--- Reason ---
ROM; Upstream discontinued; has RC bug
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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn:
> Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
> [...]
> >>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
> >> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.
> > 
> > I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
> > know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.
> > 
> > If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.
> 
> In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar 
> feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list 
> of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for 
> years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up 
> along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable 
> desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. 
> 
> Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels 
> a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
> entirely(?) in python.
> 
> Urban

Terminator on ascii is 1.90 and depends on gtk3 - I was not very surprised to 
find it not functional any more. But Terminator from jessie (0.97, gtk2) still 
works on ascii.

Anyway, nothing beats urxvt :-)

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Didier Kryn wrote on 02.01.2018 17:37:
> Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit :
[...]
>> In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar
>> feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list
>> of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for
>> years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up
>> along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable
>> desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain.
>>
>> Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels
>> a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
>> entirely(?) in python.

>      I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that 
> xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as 
> roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar 
> dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer 
> version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.

Yes, xfce4-terminal is quite usable, too, and I just found out I 
still have it installed. ATM I cannot recall why I stopped using it.
Might have tripped over a borked version at some point in the past?

According to:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
smell like negligent package maintenance, so I tend to stay away 
from those, unless it is absolutely essential to me. (In which case 
I'd try to coerce the unstable version into whatever suite I'm 
actually using. The standard disclaimer about "Franken-De(bi|vu)an" 
systems applies, of course.)
 
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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit :

Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

[...]

     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar
feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list
of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for
years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up
along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable
desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain.

Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels
a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
entirely(?) in python.
    I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that 
xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as 
roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar 
dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer 
version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.


        Didier

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 16:46, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
worked find in jessie.

In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
the one I'm typing on or mousing over.

Any ideas?

     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.


    roxterm is available in Devuan-Jessie/main, but not in Ascii.

    I tried to copy the 3 roxterm* packages from Jessie, but they have 
a dependency on libvte-2.90-9, while Asii has libvte-2.91-0. I don't 
think the two versions of the libvte can co-exist and don't know which 
one is installed on your system. In principle, either the old version is 
installed and prevents the installation of some other packages, or the 
new version is installed and your roxterm installation is broken.


        Didier

            Didier

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
>>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
[...]
>>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
>> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.
> 
> I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
> know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.
> 
> If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar 
feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list 
of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for 
years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up 
along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable 
desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. 

Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels 
a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
entirely(?) in python.

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
> >
> >I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
> >worked find in jessie.
> >
> >In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
> >even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
> >clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
> >the one I'm typing on or mousing over.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> 
>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

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Re: [DNG] lprng in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 15:38:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 08:02:37AM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
>> Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 03:49:
>>> lprng is only partially installed after upgrade.  Aptitude and apt keep 
>>> telling me this.  However, it seems to work fine, and I have no problems 
>>> talking to my postscript laser printer. 
>>>
>>> lprng's line in interactive aptitude is:
>>>
>>> Chlprng  3.8.B-2.13.8.B-2.1
[...]
>>> Setting up lprng (3.8.B-2.1) ...
>>> invoke-rc.d: initscript lprng, action "start" failed.
>>> dpkg: error processing package lprng (--configure):
>>>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 
>>> 1
>>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>>  lprng
>>>  
>>> root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik/printme# 
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Lprng installs and configures fine on my ascii VM (after removing
>> cups-bsd and cups-client, BTW.)
> 
> Mine was upgraded from jessie a few days ago.
> 
>>
>> * Did any relevant messages end up in the system log?
> 
> I'll look in the upgrade log.

If there really should be anything wrong with the init script, 
some message should be logged during system startup, too!

>> * Did you try to completely purge and then reinstall the package?
> 
> Not yet.

That's the very first thing I try on the occasional fsckup during 
package installation. Sometimes old configuration files can lead 
to hiccups, especially when skipping multiple intermediate versions 
during a (dist-)upgrade.

>> * There's only a few places where the /etc/init.d/lprng script can 
>>   exit with a code different from 0 upon start.
>>   Maybe you could try manually executing those parts of the script
>>   to check which one actually fails? E.g.:
>>   #test -f /usr/sbin/lpd || test -d /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lprng || exit 5

I should've added, in above example, better replace "exit 5" with
something like "echo 'Ouch!'", or else the error indication will 
be you being logged out from the console. ;o)

>> Going by your recent slew of problem reports I cannot help the 
>> impression your system may be hosed in a rather peculiar way.
> 
> It had been hosed a year or so ago -- when aptitude had thousands of 
> broken or uninstalled and uninstallable packages .  A package repository 
> for up-to-date ocaml had been in my sources.list and it apparently had 
> packages that related neither to ocaml or Devuan jessie.  I could still 
> use aptitude from the command-line, but intereactive aptitude was 
> unusable.
 
> I had to purge aptitude entirely and reinstall it using apt to cure the 
> problem.

I had broken aptitude installations in the past, resorting to 
apt is the correct action. It's more robust and slightly more
low-level, anyway.

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Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Di den  2. Jan 2018 um 10:11 schrieb Mike Tubby:
> Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our ARM-based
> vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however when installing
> openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0:

Yes, and it has some insecurity patches that was refused by upstream and
even the debian maintainer himself is not sure anymore if it was a good
idea.

If you wish, you can use my debian-security repo to get a recompiled
version without systemd and without that patch above. You can, of course
also build them yourself, I have the full sources over there.

deb ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured
deb-src ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
worked find in jessie.

In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
the one I'm typing on or mousing over.

Any ideas?


    In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer 
(which needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.


    Didier

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Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:11:45AM +, Mike Tubby wrote:

[cut]

>   libxext6 libxmuu1 ncurses-term openssh-client openssh-server
>   openssh-sftp-server ucf xauth
> 0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
> Need to get 3847 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 14.5 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is expected behavior for a system without systemd
> or not?
> 

There is no reason to fork (and maintain) a package just to remove a
dependency on a library that cannot be called or used. The plan for
Devuan Beowulf (ASCII+1) is to include a shim that Provides:
libsystemd.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Bad package versions in ascii

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 08:16:31AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Hi,
> there are several packages in ascii with bad package versions. In later
> releases versions should NEVER be lower than in former releases. Package
> versions have to be ascending.
> 
> On my system the following packages were not upgraded because of bad
> versions:
> 
> Package   Jessie  Ascii
> 
> desktop-base  1:1.2   1:0.99
> task-laptop   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> tasksel   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> tasksel-data  3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> task-laptop   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> task-german   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3

Tasksel will be updated just before ASCII beta will be released. Same
for desktop-base.

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[Mike Tubby]

On 1/2/2018 9:27 AM, Irrwahn wrote:

Mike Tubby wrote on 02.01.2018 10:11:

All,

Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our ARM-based 
vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however when installing 
openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0:

[...]

   libkrb5support0 *libsystemd0* libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb1 libxdmcp6

[...]


I'm not sure whether this is expected behavior for a system without systemd or 
not?

This is AIUI perfectly fine, as libsystemd0 is (for the
time being) a kind of stub library that is used in cases
where systemd is not installed. IIRC, the consensus on
this list, after some debate, was that it does no harm
in and of itself, and allowing it in actually takes the
burden of the Devuan developers/maintainers to fork every
single Debian package that has even the ever so slightest
dependency on systemd.


That's what I thought might be the case.



Nonetheless, IMVHO, it should be closely monitored for the
foreseeable future for any indications of non-trivial code
sneaking in there.


Perhaps package libsystemd0 should be a wrapper for another package 
called libsystemd-compat or libsystemd-shim with any real functionality 
in the second package built from the ground up so that entanglement into 
non-trival systemd related code is spotted/avoided ...




TL;DR: On a full-blown Devuan desktop system you probably
cannot easily avoid it, but its (mostly ;o) harmless.


H ... 'mostly' harmless ;-)




Best regards,
Urban



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Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[Irrwahn]

Mike Tubby wrote on 02.01.2018 10:11:
> All,
> 
> Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our ARM-based 
> vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however when installing 
> openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0:
[...]
>   libkrb5support0 *libsystemd0* libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb1 libxdmcp6
[...]

> I'm not sure whether this is expected behavior for a system without systemd 
> or not?

This is AIUI perfectly fine, as libsystemd0 is (for the 
time being) a kind of stub library that is used in cases 
where systemd is not installed. IIRC, the consensus on 
this list, after some debate, was that it does no harm 
in and of itself, and allowing it in actually takes the 
burden of the Devuan developers/maintainers to fork every 
single Debian package that has even the ever so slightest 
dependency on systemd.

Nonetheless, IMVHO, it should be closely monitored for the 
foreseeable future for any indications of non-trivial code 
sneaking in there.

TL;DR: On a full-blown Devuan desktop system you probably 
cannot easily avoid it, but its (mostly ;o) harmless.

Best regards,
Urban

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[DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[Mike Tubby]

All,

Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our 
ARM-based vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however 
when installing openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0:


root@orac:/# apt-get install openssh-server
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  krb5-locales libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkeyutils1 libkrb5-3
  libkrb5support0 libsystemd0 libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb1 
libxdmcp6
  libxext6 libxmuu1 ncurses-term openssh-client openssh-sftp-server ucf 
xauth

Suggested packages:
  krb5-doc krb5-user keychain libpam-ssh monkeysphere ssh-askpass 
molly-guard

  rssh ufw
Recommended packages:
  libpam-systemd
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  krb5-locales libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkeyutils1 libkrb5-3
  libkrb5support0 *libsystemd0* libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb1 
libxdmcp6

  libxext6 libxmuu1 ncurses-term openssh-client openssh-server
  openssh-sftp-server ucf xauth
0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 3847 kB of archives.
After this operation, 14.5 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

I'm not sure whether this is expected behavior for a system without 
systemd or not?



Mike

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Re: [DNG] Bad package versions in ascii

[Irrwahn]

J. Fahrner wrote on 02.01.2018 08:16:
> Hi,
> there are several packages in ascii with bad package versions. In later 
> releases versions should NEVER be lower than in former releases. Package 
> versions have to be ascending.
> 
> On my system the following packages were not upgraded because of bad 
> versions:
> 
> Package   Jessie  Ascii
> 
> desktop-base  1:1.2   1:0.99
> task-laptop   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> tasksel   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> tasksel-data  3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> task-laptop   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3
> task-german   3.33+devuan1.0  3.33+devuan0.3

I'm not sure (and will certainly be corrected if wrong), but 
I can only assume that the Ascii versions of these packages 
are not done yet, and that the lower version numbers actually 
mean those are in fact older packages from a time quite before 
Jessie went stable. 

IOW, you'd probably actually *downgrade*, if you were to install 
the Ascii versions!!

Best regards,
Urban

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