Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your > post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, > yesterday and today. There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, too. Note that it is entirely possible that this hatred of Microsoft is justified. In fact I know it *is* understandable for many things that Microsoft has done. But the key point in this particular context is that it does exist. And so I use the word "hate" in this context solely because it the *correct word*. I say again that I understand this hatred for Microsoft. It's just not an attitude that I share, despite also despising many of the things that Microsoft has done or is still doing (you mentioned Windows 10's spyware and this is one of the things that angers me). Nor am I a particular fan of Microsoft. I simply try to be dispassionate when analysing businesses and business dealings. > No, but if you give your address I'll have the authority's check on > her. :) Hah. ;-) -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 08:18 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you just hear the bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening and where he's coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp buying into this very transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No fish are biting here . . . Oh good grief. The above is pure fantasy. I've been a member of this mailing list since 25th Oct 2015 according to my records. I've not commented before recently because well... I've just not got round to it and I had nothing to add previously. Sorry about that! I am most certainly NOT trying to "convince us what a wonderful thing it will be". As I said before, I just don't blindly hate Microsoft outright. You are reading way more into my comments than is really there. I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, yesterday and today. Me I just don't want microsoft in my computer, I like, no I love linux the way it was intended to to be and with this setup I have installed here, it's doing nothing I don't want it to do, it just sets here not auto updating or making unknown connections to the internet or calling home, it's doing nothing that I do not have command over, no antivirus updating, no malware checking, no background activity and no key logger, it's just setting here quiet, today and tomorrow and I'm happy. I have no need for microsoft and it's need to take over my computer, software or anything to do with microsoft. Now I believe what microsoft is doing is illegal, from what I understand creating a monopoly is still illegal and I believe the way microsoft goes about it's business is underhand and just plain sinister. I hear no bluebirds and I smell no roses. Nothing is certain in business, so the GitHub purchase could well all go wrong. In short: I have nothing to do with Microsoft or anyone associated with them. I have no "very transparent propaganda" of any sort to pass on. For what it's worth, if you search around you'll find me commenting on other mail lists from time to time going back many, many years. Is anyone going to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife yet? ;-) No, but if you give your address I'll have the authority's check on her. :) -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 04:54:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: [cut] > > All the same, a relatively young, very fast-growing company like GitHub > might well be expected to burn through cash (thus wiping out any profit > that would otherwise have been made) at an eye-watering rate. However, > that means that eventually new cash has to come from somewhere, such as > (more) VC funding, an IPO, or a sale of the business. It seems that a > sale of the business was what the owners chose. > > My guess is that they liked Nadella more than they liked Microsoft and > its history. > My guess is that (former) GitHub owners simply liked the 9-digit figure on the check, and didn't pay much attention to whom was signing it. They would have sold as easily to Amazon or Google or Apple or IBM or Facebook. As Latins said "pecunia non olet"...[0] This is absolutely normal in business, but please, don't try to convince us that it's great, or good, or a fantastic opportunity for the free software community. Microsoft has never given a shit about the free software community, except for repeatedly noticing that Microsoft's business had been profoundly harmed by the sole existence of a community that preaches that software and ideas should be available to everybody, and that one of Microsoft's primary missions was to extinguish that "cancer". Companies don't change. Microsoft was founded by the same person who wrote the worst example of "letter to a community" in the whole history of computers [1]. Nadella does not change anything, especially because he could be easily replaced tomorrow with another Gates on another Ballmer, or worse, and Microsoft won't ask you if you like it or not, or if it's good or not for the free software community or for GitHub. And just as a final remark: my "hatred" against Microsoft is not "blind" (which would imply being irrational and unmotivated). I simply don't believe in companies doing any good for a community. Companies do good only for themselves, and when they decide to "embrace" a community is only and exculively to exploit it for the company's benefit. There is no single example that goes in another direction, and no, Ubuntu is not the exception. You are free to like the "new" Microsoft, but please do not whine if other people like me think it's a very stupid thing to do. We don't need to agree, and we can't both be right :) HND KatolaZ [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 at 04:54:59 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: > My guess is that they liked Nadella more than they liked Microsoft and its > history. They just liked the money. And they must not have liked the chances of having such a big corporation as an enemy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 18:26, Alessandro Selli wrote: > They only did it because they had to. Oh absolutely. I just don't see that as a necessarily bad or evil thing. Necessity is a driver of business and of business behaviour. >> I predict that they won't muck up GitHub. The fact is >> that GitHub needed an investor or buyer > Really? Did they need it? It doesn't seem to me they were looking for a > buyer or an investor, it was M$ who decided to assimilate them. Apparently GitHub has been in been on and off, semi-formal acquisition talks with Microsoft for some time. Did the owners "need" to sell? Not necessarily; there were other possibilities (see below) to raise more funding. Nevertheless, the owners did choose to sell. Note that Microsoft did not just "decide to assimilate them". That's just not how it works. The owners of Github had to *decide* to sell and decided in particular to sell to Microsoft. GitHub was privately owned so it could never be forced into being bought out in the same way that a publicly quoted company can be. > >> and Microsoft has the cash to >> prop it up. They could afford to support it even if it continues to make >> a loss. > GitHub was not operating at a loss: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub#Finance > > As of August 2016, GitHub was making $140 million in Annual Recurring > Revenue.[47] > > 47. Plassnig, Moritz. "GitHub is making $140M in ARR". Medium. Retrieved > 2016-12-19. > https://medium.com/@moritzplassnig/github-is-doing-much-better-than-bloomberg-thinks-here-is-why-a4580b249044 > If I understand correctly, Annual Recurring Revenue is a measure of income or sales (i.e. revenue), not profit. All the same, a relatively young, very fast-growing company like GitHub might well be expected to burn through cash (thus wiping out any profit that would otherwise have been made) at an eye-watering rate. However, that means that eventually new cash has to come from somewhere, such as (more) VC funding, an IPO, or a sale of the business. It seems that a sale of the business was what the owners chose. My guess is that they liked Nadella more than they liked Microsoft and its history. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 04:38:59AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:50:10 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > <20180605225010.gc12...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > > > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > > > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be > > > > > able to find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it > > > > > will still run. > > > > > > ..what package name? > > > > gpe-calendar, for the one I'm most concerned with. > > ..you found it?: > https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gpe-calendar or > http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/g/gpe-calendar/ > > ..or did I only find some old rotten bits of junk? > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gpe-calendar > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=oldstable;package=gpe-calendar You found a little more than I did. Running this package on a wheezy system is probably the easiest way to read the calendar. But exporting it to a modern file format is likely another matter. I managed to find the wheezy source package. But the way the word has changed, it may be easiest to use the binary package on a real wheezy system thatn to try to build the package in a modern system. I'm still exploring alternatives before taking action. For past events, I'd be happy with a complete, readable text file. I might be able to write a program to produce that if I find a compatible version of sqlite, or if current sqlite will upgrade the db to whatever it uses now. For future events, I could hand-enter them into a new calendar system -- preferably one that lets me export everything into a readable form, and which I can sync across devices with something relemblig revision control. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days > before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been > trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you > just hear the bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening > and where he's coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp > buying into this very transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No > fish are biting here . . . Oh good grief. The above is pure fantasy. I've been a member of this mailing list since 25th Oct 2015 according to my records. I've not commented before recently because well... I've just not got round to it and I had nothing to add previously. Sorry about that! I am most certainly NOT trying to "convince us what a wonderful thing it will be". As I said before, I just don't blindly hate Microsoft outright. You are reading way more into my comments than is really there. I hear no bluebirds and I smell no roses. Nothing is certain in business, so the GitHub purchase could well all go wrong. In short: I have nothing to do with Microsoft or anyone associated with them. I have no "very transparent propaganda" of any sort to pass on. For what it's worth, if you search around you'll find me commenting on other mail lists from time to time going back many, many years. Is anyone going to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife yet? ;-) -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 19:18, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell: >> [...] >> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it >> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable >> future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. > M$ killed my business twice. Should I wait for a third time? How did they kill your business twice? No, I would not risk it happening again in your shoes. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:50:10 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20180605225010.gc12...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be > > > > able to find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it > > > > will still run. > > > > ..what package name? > > gpe-calendar, for the one I'm most concerned with. ..you found it?: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gpe-calendar or http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/g/gpe-calendar/ ..or did I only find some old rotten bits of junk? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gpe-calendar https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=oldstable;package=gpe-calendar -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to > > > find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still > > > run. > > ..what package name? gpe-calendar, for the one I'm most concerned with. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to > > find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still > > run. ..what package name? > Whoah, heavy bitrot around that one... > > I still have a working wheezy system, but it shouldn't be too > hard to set up a fresh wheezy VM. I mean, someone somewhere still > does security updates for that release... > It ships libsqlite 2.8, which may or may not be able to load your > database. > > One way out might be by starting a small retrocomputing adventure: > Install gpesyncd (included in wheezy) and then try to build > opensync from source to convert your data to a format that might > still be portable. (SyncML?) > > Last version of opensync that included the gpe plugin seems to > have been 0.36, of which archive.org has a copy: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20140407043108/http://opensync.org:80/download/releases/0.36/ ..according to: https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive you may find it diving down http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ ..e.g. for packages named flightgear: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flightgear/ ..https://archive.debian.net/ is down, was AFAIR searchable. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:22:46 +0300, Lars wrote in message <26f8aa1d-718c-5cdf-7fda-3afbb0fbe...@gmail.com>: > On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> KatolaZ wrote: > >> > >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and > >>> never will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same > >>> company that stole DOS. > >> > >> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. > >> They bought it outright for what the person selling it accepted as > >> a fair price. It's an interesting story of how one decision > >> changed the direction of the software world, and one of those > >> points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight it's > >> easy to say "he did WHAT !" > > > > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital > > Research CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. > > I had a vague recollection that M$ had to resettle over the price > because the initial $75K turned out to be a rip-off. I cannot find > anything specific to the resettlement. However, here are two decent > articles about the origins of MS-DOS > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2004-10-24/the-man-who-could-have-been-bill-gates > > https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/print-edition/2015/05/01/microsoft-bought-tim-paterson-s-dos-for-75k-the.html ..interesting, so Gary Kildall died at the ripe old age of 52, "after falling in a tavern", "he had become embittered and struggled with alcohol", in 1994, when enough case law on intellectual property had made filing a lawsuit and getting court orders on infringement etc, possible and viable. Sounds familiar, "we learn something new, every day." ..try searching your vague recollections at http://groklaw.net/ , we dug up a _lot_ of crazy old bat shit crazy stuff. > I'm not sure why M$ bought GitHub other than, based on their M.O., it > provides some means to hurt their competitors. Remember that nearly > all of the major projects stored in GitHub are competitors to M$ and > now M$ will have access to that code. ..my guess is they want personal ID data on all GPL etc developers for "Endlösung" litigation, M$ spent 11 years and US $4G+ learning going- after-IBM-etc-angry-big-boys-with-angry-big-pockets-does-not-work, small mom shops are much, much, much easier to push over and down the drain, because we cannot afford the average US $3M settlement. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ascii installation key exchange problem
I'm installing with devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_dvd-1.iso on a key to a new machine. I entered the wlan ESSID with care. I choose WPA/WPA2 PSK. When the installer attempts to find my wireless network, it fails. I'm currently accessing my router with may current machine running Devuan Jessie. I'm also running Devuan Jessie on a different disk on the new machine. It took three attempts to get an association, a key exchange. I'm simply reporting that association can be difficult with ascii. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan mailing list
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:15:59PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ... > > but he quickly lost his temper :-) > > Devuan mailing list? > Isn't *this* the devuan mailing list? > Or have I been missing something? LOL .. schould be "tde mailing list" .. it's been a long hot day :-) -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan mailing list
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:15:59PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ... but > he quickly lost his temper :-) Devuan mailing list? Isn't *this* the devuan mailing list? Or have I been missing something? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell: > [...] > In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it > is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable > future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. M$ killed my business twice. Should I wait for a third time? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb goli...@dyne.org: > On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> > >> This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major > >> corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new > >> business > >> model under Nadella. > >> > >> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it > >> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable > >> future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. > >> > >> Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it > >> while it lasts. ;-) > >> > > > > I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the > > same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or > > Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above: > > Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do with being > > friendly. Business is for making profit, and Microsoft has shown to be > > able to bring this principle to the extreme, tending to make profit > > literally *at all costs*. > > > > It seems that you like Microsoft a lot. Good luck with that. Maybe > > they might also decide to hire you one day or another. They need > > enthusiastic ex-open-source-evangelists like Miguel De Icaza to > > support their cause. > > > > I prefer to continue avoiding it actively, as you avoid a rabid dog. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > > > ___ > > > > Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days before > the github announcement and that most of his posts have been trying to > convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you just hear the > bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening and where he's > coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp buying into this very > transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No fish are biting here . . . > > golinux Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ... but he quickly lost his temper :-) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 at 12:06:25 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: > On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote: >>> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill open source. # Serge >>> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. >> Really? Are you kidding? > > The simple truth is that Microsoft is now making money out of open > source (and users of open source software). Thus killing or harming open > source no longer makes sense for Microsoft. Their revenue going forward > depends on playing nicely with open source. They only did it because they had to. They still are not a FOSS friendly company and they'd be ovejoyed to be able to kill or at least highjack FOSS to be able to go reign back all of their customers into their prorietary walled garden. Or, would they not be able to do so, at least steal customers away from prominent FOSS companies. > Time will tell. This was said hundreds of times before about M$, and time always said the same thing: M$ intentions have always been to promote their interest to the detriment of everybody else's. > I predict that they won't muck up GitHub. The fact is > that GitHub needed an investor or buyer Really? Did they need it? It doesn't seem to me they were looking for a buyer or an investor, it was M$ who decided to assimilate them. > and Microsoft has the cash to > prop it up. They could afford to support it even if it continues to make > a loss. GitHub was not operating at a loss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub#Finance As of August 2016, GitHub was making $140 million in Annual Recurring Revenue.[47] 47. Plassnig, Moritz. "GitHub is making $140M in ARR". Medium. Retrieved 2016-12-19. https://medium.com/@moritzplassnig/github-is-doing-much-better-than-bloomberg-thinks-here-is-why-a4580b249044 Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:55:33 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have a GPE calendar, which I still use daily, and some GPE > contacts. > > The machine these run on is starting to fail -- spontaneous reboot, > random battery life, and the like. > > It still runs well enough that I can *copy* the GPE data bases. > > Any ideas how to move the data to a modern format? And what modern > calendar format to use? > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to > find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still run. > > Development on GPE seems to have ceased more than 10 years ago. > > The caledar data base is in sqlite 2.1 format. Even ten years ago, > people still using it and asking for help were being told to get on > with sqlite 3.0. Depending on how they structured the sqlite, you might be able to reverse engineer the thing just from looking at what's in the tables and columns. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: [cut] This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business model under Nadella. In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it while it lasts. ;-) I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above: Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do with being friendly. Business is for making profit, and Microsoft has shown to be able to bring this principle to the extreme, tending to make profit literally *at all costs*. It seems that you like Microsoft a lot. Good luck with that. Maybe they might also decide to hire you one day or another. They need enthusiastic ex-open-source-evangelists like Miguel De Icaza to support their cause. I prefer to continue avoiding it actively, as you avoid a rabid dog. HND KatolaZ ___ Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you just hear the bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening and where he's coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp buying into this very transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No fish are biting here . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 03:57:12PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > > Is Miguel De Icaza an "ex" open source evangelist? As far as I know he's > working at the NET Foundation on open source projects (or so it says on > Wikipedia). Xamarin is open source right now. It's a key part of > Microsoft's cross-platform developer story and it's open source, it's > being developed by Microsoft, and it's being promoted by Microsoft. As > far as I can see, Miguel De Icaza is still very much an open source > evangelist, despite working (indirectly) for Microsoft. Just because > it's Microsoft doesn't mean it's somehow not open source. Yes, he is an ex open-source evangelist. As 40% of the GUI Linux developers, who write for GNOME and use only MacOS. But that's another story. > > I understand what you mean about avoiding a rabid dog but Ballmer's long > gone. ;-) > But Microsoft is still there. So the rabid dog has not gone anywhere. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 13:56, Lars Noodén wrote: > Actions speak louder than words. They do. It will be interesting to see how their "stewardship" of GitHub works out. >> Their revenue going forward depends on playing nicely with open source. > Their revenue does not yet depend on helping FOSS, but it does depend on > people repeating that untruth that it does. As I see it, it's not a matter of "helping"; it's a matter of working well with open source for their (Microsoft's) own benefit. And in the world we're now in, MS's revenue certainly does increasingly depend on being able to play well with open source. In my view, they 'like' open source now because they have to. > M$ will screw up GitHub both on purpose and by accident. Take a look at > Nokia, Hotmail, and Skype. Politically they can't mess with it right > away while people are watching, but expect the claws to come out within > two years of acquisition after people have time to forget. Time is > needed, recall what Ralph wrote about TTL of societal knowledge. I think it is implausible to believe that they would screw it up on purpose. As things stand (now and for the foreseeable future) that would simply not be beneficial to Microsoft for all sorts of reasons. Remember that they have bet on GitHub as a centre to develop and promote their own open source projects, projects that are absolutely key to getting developers to write for the Microsoft ecosystem (which now extends to Linux, Mac, Android). Nevertheless, I can imagine them screwing it up by accident, perhaps my meddling. They have specifically said that they won't meddle. Time will tell. We'll see. I think GitHub is very different to Nokia and Skype. Nokia and Skype were acquisitions carried out in a different (Ballmer) age and were badly handled. In particular, Skype suffered from meddling and excessive integration with other MS products that alienated its previous user base. GitHub just isn't the same sort of thing. As for Hotmail, what's wrong with that? It still exists in the form of Outlook.com and it's massive, isn't it? Hotmail is surely a success story, or am I missing something? -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 13:57, KatolaZ wrote: > I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the > same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or > Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above: > Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do with being > friendly. Business is for making profit, and Microsoft has shown to be > able to bring this principle to the extreme, tending to make profit > literally *at all costs*. > > It seems that you like Microsoft a lot. Good luck with that. Maybe > they might also decide to hire you one day or another. They need > enthusiastic ex-open-source-evangelists like Miguel De Icaza to > support their cause. > > I prefer to continue avoiding it actively, as you avoid a rabid dog. As I said a couple of times in this thread, I'm not a fan of Microsoft. I dislike many of the things they have done, from what they did to Stac Electronics to their direction with Windows-as-a-service, and a lot in between. But, despite this, I don't hate them either. It seems to me to be more useful to try to be dispassionate and to objectively analyse what they are doing today and what their direction seems to be. One should never think they are nice, of course. Right now (and for the foreseeable future) it seems to me that they simply *must* play well with open source to ensure their survival, and so that is exactly what they are doing. Is Miguel De Icaza an "ex" open source evangelist? As far as I know he's working at the NET Foundation on open source projects (or so it says on Wikipedia). Xamarin is open source right now. It's a key part of Microsoft's cross-platform developer story and it's open source, it's being developed by Microsoft, and it's being promoted by Microsoft. As far as I can see, Miguel De Icaza is still very much an open source evangelist, despite working (indirectly) for Microsoft. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean it's somehow not open source. I understand what you mean about avoiding a rabid dog but Ballmer's long gone. ;-) -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 13:59, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > Mark you seem like a smart likeable guy, just like the guys I have met > who work for microsoft and is the reason why I have not replied to > your post. :-) > What I'm saying is simple fact, what I've seen with my own eyes and > what you're saying is meaningless to me. I don't doubt what you've seen with your own eyes. I too have seen Microsoft acting in disreputable ways and I still don't like what they are doing with Windows-as-a-service. I guess that time will tell. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. We'll can only wait and see how GitHub turns out under MS's rule. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to find > an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still run. Whoah, heavy bitrot around that one... I still have a working wheezy system, but it shouldn't be too hard to set up a fresh wheezy VM. I mean, someone somewhere still does security updates for that release... It ships libsqlite 2.8, which may or may not be able to load your database. One way out might be by starting a small retrocomputing adventure: Install gpesyncd (included in wheezy) and then try to build opensync from source to convert your data to a format that might still be portable. (SyncML?) Last version of opensync that included the gpe plugin seems to have been 0.36, of which archive.org has a copy: https://web.archive.org/web/20140407043108/http://opensync.org:80/download/releases/0.36/ Alex. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 05:15 AM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today microsoft wants to kill linux period. A killer is not logical and you should in no way trust a killer no matter how sweet they may seem, just say NO! It seems to me that there is no logical or rational reason whatsoever to say that this is a "I hate linux move". Rationally speaking, it seems to me to be far more of a "I want to play well with open source" move. Why? Because it is now in Microsoft's financial interest to do so. This isn't because Microsoft is nice; it's simply that Microsoft is a business that is moving with the times. For several years now, GitHub has been strategically important to Microsoft for its own projects and for its interactions with developers. Developers are, and always have been, key to Microsoft's success and now, more than ever, that means open source developers. With GitHub in the red it makes total sense for Microsoft to buy GitHub in order to maintain it, to prevent it potentially falling into a competitor's hands, to further enhance Visual Studio's integration with Git and GitHub, and to improve Microsoft's image with the open source devs and users. Also, it is now illogical to think that Microsoft wants to kill Linux. Things have moved on. Linux (and Android) are now platforms for Microsoft to sell into and onto. Microsoft's dev products and software platforms (especially Net Core and Xamarin) have a vastly improving cross-platform and mobile story. Instead of trying to beat Linux with Windows or trying to beat open source with Microsoft software, the entire ecosystem has changed such that Linux and open source (primarily in the form of developers and corporates) are now a source of revenue for Microsoft. This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business model under Nadella. In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it while it lasts. ;-) Mark you seem like a smart likeable guy, just like the guys I have met who work for microsoft and is the reason why I have not replied to your post. What I'm saying is simple fact, what I've seen with my own eyes and what you're saying is meaningless to me. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 02:06 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote: >>> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill open source. # Serge >>> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. >> Really? Are you kidding? > > The simple truth is that Microsoft is now making money out of open > source (and users of open source software). Thus killing or harming open > source no longer makes sense for Microsoft. If M$ actually were into FOSS, it'd support ODF and other open standards in its products, rather than breaking them. Or it would join the OIN to show that it is on the same team and stop shaking down Android/Linux-using companies and other */Linux users over software patents. Actions speak louder than words. > Their revenue going forward depends on playing nicely with open source. Their revenue does not yet depend on helping FOSS, but it does depend on people repeating that untruth that it does. Where they are making money off of FOSS is through their shakedowns over software patents. That is a core part of their Azure strategy, too. For Azure if another company threatens M$ over software patents, M$ just sells them a few more for a song and then sends them off to attack competitors. M$ used to depend on the OEM monopoly and the office file format monopoly and to a certain extent it still does. But they are moving those cash cows under Azure to make "cloud" look like growth. M$ will screw up GitHub both on purpose and by accident. Take a look at Nokia, Hotmail, and Skype. Politically they can't mess with it right away while people are watching, but expect the claws to come out within two years of acquisition after people have time to forget. Time is needed, recall what Ralph wrote about TTL of societal knowledge. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: [cut] > > This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major > corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business > model under Nadella. > > In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it > is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable > future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. > > Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it > while it lasts. ;-) > > I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above: Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do with being friendly. Business is for making profit, and Microsoft has shown to be able to bring this principle to the extreme, tending to make profit literally *at all costs*. It seems that you like Microsoft a lot. Good luck with that. Maybe they might also decide to hire you one day or another. They need enthusiastic ex-open-source-evangelists like Miguel De Icaza to support their cause. I prefer to continue avoiding it actively, as you avoid a rabid dog. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions > in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to > kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today > microsoft wants to kill linux period. A killer is not logical and you > should in no way trust a killer no matter how sweet they may seem, > just say NO! It seems to me that there is no logical or rational reason whatsoever to say that this is a "I hate linux move". Rationally speaking, it seems to me to be far more of a "I want to play well with open source" move. Why? Because it is now in Microsoft's financial interest to do so. This isn't because Microsoft is nice; it's simply that Microsoft is a business that is moving with the times. For several years now, GitHub has been strategically important to Microsoft for its own projects and for its interactions with developers. Developers are, and always have been, key to Microsoft's success and now, more than ever, that means open source developers. With GitHub in the red it makes total sense for Microsoft to buy GitHub in order to maintain it, to prevent it potentially falling into a competitor's hands, to further enhance Visual Studio's integration with Git and GitHub, and to improve Microsoft's image with the open source devs and users. Also, it is now illogical to think that Microsoft wants to kill Linux. Things have moved on. Linux (and Android) are now platforms for Microsoft to sell into and onto. Microsoft's dev products and software platforms (especially Net Core and Xamarin) have a vastly improving cross-platform and mobile story. Instead of trying to beat Linux with Windows or trying to beat open source with Microsoft software, the entire ecosystem has changed such that Linux and open source (primarily in the form of developers and corporates) are now a source of revenue for Microsoft. This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business model under Nadella. In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it while it lasts. ;-) -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:48:19AM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > > However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of > GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress. To *really* self-host, would it not have to have its own copy of Debian's source package repositories, at least? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 10:04 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an > unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. Owning GitHub does not seem to me to get them anything substantially new as far open source projects are concerned. You can't effectively crawl the whole GitHub using GutHub's API (have you tried?). And you can't track all the changes and trends in real time. Unless you own GitHub. HND KatolaZ ___ That plus access to all personal information. A veritable goldmine! I don't see anything good coming out of this development. golinux Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today microsoft wants to kill linux period. A killer is not logical and you should in no way trust a killer no matter how sweet they may seem, just say NO! People are meeting evil at a cross road here, for your own good just say no. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: >>> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill >>> open source. >>> >>> # Serge >>> >> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. > Really? Are you kidding? The simple truth is that Microsoft is now making money out of open source (and users of open source software). Thus killing or harming open source no longer makes sense for Microsoft. Their revenue going forward depends on playing nicely with open source. Time will tell. I predict that they won't muck up GitHub. The fact is that GitHub needed an investor or buyer and Microsoft has the cash to prop it up. They could afford to support it even if it continues to make a loss. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 at 10:06, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit : > > Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and > > M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy > > but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been > > infiltrated at the executive level by "former" Microsofters. But unlike > > Red Hat because Canonical is much smaller, these are a much higher > > percentage of the team and have an outsized influence. A purchase could > > further damage upstream Debian and thus Devuan. > > > They have enough money to buy any private company. The most usefull > is RH because it has the full control over systemd and most other > distros are now dependant on systemd. All the Linux community is > strongly dependant on RH, not only via systemd, but because RH is the > most important developper in Linux, including in the kernel. And RH is > already developping the bizness model of making profit out of Linux. > > I'm convinced systemd is a major step delibaretely made by RH in > view of its resale to M$. > > Didier > > That's is correct. RH & M$ are trying to control this behemoth called open source world, which is mostly sneered by the latter in it's early days. And as always M$ was late to the game. RH on the other had a good start by posing systemd as an init system to assert it's power. so yes github acquision or systemd it's al about controlling potential risks to not to harm your profit. -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit : Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been infiltrated at the executive level by "former" Microsofters. But unlike Red Hat because Canonical is much smaller, these are a much higher percentage of the team and have an outsized influence. A purchase could further damage upstream Debian and thus Devuan. They have enough money to buy any private company. The most usefull is RH because it has the full control over systemd and most other distros are now dependant on systemd. All the Linux community is strongly dependant on RH, not only via systemd, but because RH is the most important developper in Linux, including in the kernel. And RH is already developping the bizness model of making profit out of Linux. I'm convinced systemd is a major step delibaretely made by RH in view of its resale to M$. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 09:10 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: [snip] > I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) [snip] It's called "Azure Sphere OS" and it is 100% dependent on M$ products. You cannot use it without M$ Azure and you cannot develop for it without both M$ Windows and M$ Visual Studio on M$ Windows. Presumably system administration has similar requirements. Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been infiltrated at the executive level by "former" Microsofters. But unlike Red Hat because Canonical is much smaller, these are a much higher percentage of the team and have an outsized influence. A purchase could further damage upstream Debian and thus Devuan. However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 08:27 PM, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: [snip] > Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years; > i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having > always been there. > > Ralph. Good point but I'd say that's only if it's knowledge in an area near and dear to an individual. If it is an area outside their interests then the TTL is probably closer to 18 months or less. That observation is not taking into account the heavy propaganda and revisionism that M$ and its operatives use, especially with their control over the trade press. So collectively, since most people are not interested, the TTL is maybe just over a year or so. That's what makes the lies about "MS ❤ Linux" especially problematic. Your average slob believes it right away and after 18 months, your not so average slobs will too. "I ❤ Chicken" ⇒ "MS ❤ Linux" /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never >>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that >>> stole DOS. >> >> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought >> it outright for what the person selling it accepted as a fair price. It's an >> interesting story of how one decision changed the direction of the software >> world, and one of those points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 >> hindsight it's easy to say "he did WHAT !" > > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research > CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. I had a vague recollection that M$ had to resettle over the price because the initial $75K turned out to be a rip-off. I cannot find anything specific to the resettlement. However, here are two decent articles about the origins of MS-DOS https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2004-10-24/the-man-who-could-have-been-bill-gates https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/print-edition/2015/05/01/microsoft-bought-tim-paterson-s-dos-for-75k-the.html I'm not sure why M$ bought GitHub other than, based on their M.O., it provides some means to hurt their competitors. Remember that nearly all of the major projects stored in GitHub are competitors to M$ and now M$ will have access to that code. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: >> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill >> open source. >> >> # Serge >> > > I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. Really? Are you kidding? "I can't see that it would be in Raytheon's interest that the US bombed Iran." Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 at 12:44, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200 >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly >>> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO. >> >> Why not? >> >> I do think a more modern solution would be a distributed p2p repository >> based on a keychain, but a classic, centralized repo like GitLab is probably >> much easier to the vast majority of coders (and users, too). Besides the >> fact that there is not one currently available TIKO. >> > > The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And > rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO. Whoever has ever run a > Gitlab instance for more than 10 users and 50 repos knows what I am > talking about. People are soon going to find out: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/gitlab-sees-huge-traffic-spike-after-news-of-microsoft-buying-github/ «GitLab Sees Huge Traffic Spike After News of Microsoft Buying GitHub» Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
