Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images
Hi aitor Thanks Ozi On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Ozi, > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > Hi > > Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? > > I think the Jessie images were 586. > > ozi > > > linux-4.9.x is built in 686 and 686-pae > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images
Hi Ozi, El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi linux-4.9.x is built in 686 and 686-pae Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:32:36 -0500 Don Wright wrote: > Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > [Steve Litt] > >>I would sure find this behavior surprising. > > > >If wicd breaks static IP address configurations out-of-the-box I'd be > >surprised too. I've mainly used it in DHCP settings. On my server's > >wicd was never installed so any static IP configurations just worked > >as intended. > > However surprising to any of you, this is my testimony. A statically > configured interface present in /etc/network/interfaces was ignored > **as installed by Devuan ASCII.iso**. Removing wicd fixed the > problem. What other conclusion can reasonably be drawn but that wicd > is the one doing the ignoring? That's gross, and should be fixed. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:32:31 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2018, Simon Hobson wrote: > > > And as it happens, I had literally just been looking on Distrowatch > > where Devuan is up to rank 11 (with 582 hits/day) over the last 7 > > days vs Debian at rank 6 with 1002 hpd. OK, it’s “just for fun” and > > not really a measure of installed systems, but it shows that there’s > > been steady progress up the charts. > > > yay. Today also distrowatch has published a pretty realistic review of > our desktop. something to learn there. Realistic? Maybe. But the reviewer's priorities are completely different from mine and those of many of my friends: What tends to leave a lasting impression with me is whether the desktop environment, its applications and controls feel like a cooperative, cohesive experience or like a jumble of individual tools that happen to be part of the same operating system. In my opinion Ubuntu running the Unity desktop and Linux Mint's Cinnamon desktop are good [snip] I believe Devuan falls into the other category, presenting the user with a collection of utilities and features where some assembly is still required. Yep, call me The Assembler. I like the program granularity enabling me to easily set up my all-black-screened Openbox+Dmenu to do the way *I* want to do them, instead of using his recommended Unity (Is this April 1?) to do it Shuttleworth's way. With his priorities, I think the reviewer would be much happier with a Mac. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images
Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:38:55 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20180619173855.ykjkakeavr4h2...@angband.pl>: .. > The problem is that people are not told why they should away from > i386, and when faced with a choice they don't understand they often > make a bad decision. ..easy fix: Tell them! ;o) E.g. on an helpful web page on the DL site and mirrors, e.g. between the amd64 isos and the i3|4|5|686 isos, and with a proper clear name so confused newbies read it. ..also possible to e.g. have i386 installer kernels test the cpu etc hardware and go "Hey, your cpu can run the i586 kernel, upgrade?" .. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On 2018-06-18 08:32 AM, Jaromil wrote: yay. Today also distrowatch has published a pretty realistic review of our desktop. something to learn there. The install would have given a more Debian-esque picture if it had been carried out from other than the "Live" media. As for the coherence of the Desktop, I can definitely see the point, but it is a fine line to walk, one persons complete is another's bloated. As a Linux user for over two decades I don't think twice about adding the applications I want and dumping the ones I don't, Synaptic is very handy for this kind of weeding. On the other hand as simple as it seems perhaps my frame of reference is far removed from that of a new user. I note that antiX, the Debian-based systemd-free distant cousin, has a relatively simple pick and choose software installer which runs apt in the background in a shell to cover various common choices after the initial install. I think this is a standalone item, but also forms part of their Control Centre. Maybe such a setup might be examined as a possible way to help break-in the newbies and possibly smooth things out, without adding much bloat up front. Click and I've got Thunderbird! IMO it is worth a look. Whatever, the rise of Devuan is outstanding and reflects the accomplishment of those involved. Resistance was not futile. Congratulations to all. Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] pgcli bash completion script included in the official package
Hi All, I wrote a bash completion script for the pgcli utility, a command line interface for Postgres - https://www.pgcli.com/ The script is at: https://github.com/dbcli/pgcli/pull/892/files for those who want to see or to use it. it actually completes some arguments of the pgcli command in a way similar to psql, the default cli tool for Postrgres, and obviously depends on it. I would like to get it included in the official package. Shall I report a wishlist bug for Devuan or for Debian, so that the former can get it (in case) from upstream? Thank you. Antonio ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 07:38:55PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: [cut] > > I remain strongly convinced that maintaining i686 support as long as > > possible should remain an ongoing objective for Devuan. > > For people who actually need it -- I fully agree with you. But for folks on > amd64-capable hardware: no way! Right now, you promote i386 as strongly as > amd64; compare to https://debian.org where you need to actually look if you > want i386 installer. > > I genuninely don't understand what you are talking about :) On http://www.debian.org I click on "Getting Debian" and the first two available links are for amd64 AND i386. If I click on "Network Install" or on "CD/USB ISO images", i386 is available aside all the other architectures. Unless you consider "more prominence" the fact that "amd64" comes first (and before "i386") in the lexicographical order used to sort links in those pages... o_O KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 05:36:22PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 03:41:40PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 02:11:33PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > > > + amd64: 61% > > > + i386 24% > > > > This is troubling. There's a strong reason to deprecate i386, and relegate > > it to a level akin to mips or s390x -- ie, with security support but > > requiring a conscious decision to install. There are people with hardware > > that genuinely lacks the NX bit, but it's only them who should be running > > i386. You can read one of Linus' rants when discussing techniques needed > > for mitigating melted spectrum on 32-bit kernels on 64-bit capable hardware > > (TL;DR: it really sucks performance wise, compared to vulnerable > > (out-of-order) but 32-bit only CPUs), that's just one of reasons why. > > > > I guess you make download links for i386 installer way too prominent, > > without offering an explanation. > > uh? How are the i386 links "way too prominent"? The isos are just > there, and there is no blinking link. If people download those images, > it means that they need them. Why should Devuan "hide" them away? The problem is that people are not told why they should away from i386, and when faced with a choice they don't understand they often make a bad decision. > I mean, there are not many distributions out there still offering > support for i686 hardware, and we have actually received many emails > of users who thank Devuan for supporting i686 and letting them > continue using their "old" hardware that you would like to see > discontinued. I'm not suggesting dropping support -- to the contrary, shifting back to 586 would be a good idea! My point is, there's no way 28% of x86 users are on pre-2004 hardware, thus the vast majority of them got the wrong version that's insecure (no Meltdown/Spectre mitigation, no NX, worse ASLR, etc), has issues with "large" memory (even phones these days tend to have 4+GB RAM), can't run an increasing portion of software, and gets weak or no support from many upstreams. All of those would be better served with amd64. > I know that the technologically sound solution in our western (rich) > world would be to buy newer hardware as soon as it is available, but > you don't always have that option, as strange as that migh sound to > you. Used hardware is drastically cheaper, yeah. But only to a point -- once you get to machines so old to require i386, you start getting ridiculous electricity usage. I still have a Pentium 4 desktop I sometimes power on to test stuff -- it draws so much juice that you can buy three i3 laptops for the money it takes to keep that P4 running for a year. Thus, Core 2 Duo would be the weakest hardware that's common and not counterproductive to use. You can get heaps of these going to landfills. > And the recently discovered flaws in newer CPUs cast some doubt > about the technological soundness of the consumerist "let's get the > latest on the market" approach anyway. Right, in-order hardware is safe here. I like my 2017 Pinebook I bought for $89. It would be nifty if you could run Devuan on such i386 machines, right? Right?!? Oh well, did you patch gcc defaults to re-enable older CPUs and rebuilt the world? Because if not, they just happen to sit right on the line cutting off any in-order traditional machines (I say "traditional" as there was a short run of 32-bit Atoms a bit later). Thus, this argument doesn't hold water. > I remain strongly convinced that maintaining i686 support as long as > possible should remain an ongoing objective for Devuan. For people who actually need it -- I fully agree with you. But for folks on amd64-capable hardware: no way! Right now, you promote i386 as strongly as amd64; compare to https://debian.org where you need to actually look if you want i386 installer. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ There's an easy way to tell toy operating systems from real ones. ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ Just look at how their shipped fonts display U+1F52B, this makes ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ the intended audience obvious. It's also interesting to see OSes ⠈⠳⣄ go back and forth wrt their intended target. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem
Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >Installing a desktop, by default, pulls in wicd (or network-manager). >You can prevent this by using apt-get's --no-install-recommend option. Not an option within the de??an installer - which was the context of the original post. >Whether either package blatantly ignores your static IP configuration >from when you installed, I cannot tell for sure (zapped wicd) but I >vaguely remember that you can tell wicd to leave certain interfaces >unmolested. That may even be its default behaviour for interfaces that >are configured in /etc/network/interfaces. > [Steve Litt] >>I would sure find this behavior surprising. > >If wicd breaks static IP address configurations out-of-the-box I'd be >surprised too. I've mainly used it in DHCP settings. On my server's >wicd was never installed so any static IP configurations just worked as >intended. However surprising to any of you, this is my testimony. A statically configured interface present in /etc/network/interfaces was ignored **as installed by Devuan ASCII.iso**. Removing wicd fixed the problem. What other conclusion can reasonably be drawn but that wicd is the one doing the ignoring? ># Veteran Unix Administrator's are free to cobble together their own ># solution and `apt purge wicd` goes a long ways towards that end ;-P But that's only an option after the fault, which only shows up after restarting. If the device is not within easy reach, how will you get a command line at the random assigned IP address in the first place? Background: My situation, which you so deride, is a test install of a server with changing products *and management tools* which is where the desktop comes in. When a configuration is finally settled upon, the server will be wiped and reinstalled in a production configuration without desktop as all my other servers have been, and the management tools installed on a management workstation. Until then the churn will be limited to this one system. In any case, if wicd-vs-static IP is a long-standing issue I agree neither of us would have encountered it before. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
On Dienstag, 19. Juni 2018 14:16:49 CEST dan pridgeon wrote: > From: "li...@michaelranft.com" > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount? > > On Dienstag, 19. Juni 2018 19:15:44 CEST Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated > > > HB> with usbmount? > > > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo > > > workstation. > > > > I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have just > > installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on how to find > > out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in (it isn't > > automounting) > > easiest way would be a > tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages > before or right after plugging it in to determine the device's name from > /var/ log/messages. Ctrl-c finishes output from tail > > Michael > ___ > > dmesg | tail works for me. including Martin's suggestion we have four different short snippets providing this info, while tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages seems the longest one and there are surely more than these 4. Isn't it just beautiful having this diversity. BTW, I'm glad I didn't have to walk this narrowing path of sD and hope I'll never have to. Just want to say thank all of you working on Devuan! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 03:41:40PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 02:11:33PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > > + amd64: 61% > > + i386 24% > > This is troubling. There's a strong reason to deprecate i386, and relegate > it to a level akin to mips or s390x -- ie, with security support but > requiring a conscious decision to install. There are people with hardware > that genuinely lacks the NX bit, but it's only them who should be running > i386. You can read one of Linus' rants when discussing techniques needed > for mitigating melted spectrum on 32-bit kernels on 64-bit capable hardware > (TL;DR: it really sucks performance wise, compared to vulnerable > (out-of-order) but 32-bit only CPUs), that's just one of reasons why. > > I guess you make download links for i386 installer way too prominent, > without offering an explanation. uh? How are the i386 links "way too prominent"? The isos are just there, and there is no blinking link. If people download those images, it means that they need them. Why should Devuan "hide" them away? I mean, there are not many distributions out there still offering support for i686 hardware, and we have actually received many emails of users who thank Devuan for supporting i686 and letting them continue using their "old" hardware that you would like to see discontinued. So it makes a lot of sense to provide them. I know that the technologically sound solution in our western (rich) world would be to buy newer hardware as soon as it is available, but you don't always have that option, as strange as that migh sound to you. And the recently discovered flaws in newer CPUs cast some doubt about the technological soundness of the consumerist "let's get the latest on the market" approach anyway. I remain strongly convinced that maintaining i686 support as long as possible should remain an ongoing objective for Devuan. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
On 20/06/18 00:05, Erik Christiansen wrote: > Martin, I think I will too. That is one nifty little bit of kit, not > just to be added to my survival notes accumulated over the decades, but > to be pushed into the wetware despite increasing backpressure after 2^6 > trips around our star. Song "will you still love me when I'm 2^6", hahaha A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment
From: fsmithred To: dng@lists.dyne.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment On 06/19/2018 03:44 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >> >> I was setting at the check box's. I finished the install and it said it >> was done and to reboot. I rebooted but nothing was installed!?! >> >> I choose a no-format install with existing /home all on /sda2. It >> collected user name, root and user passwd. My partitions are ext4 is >> that a problem? > > > I went and installed Devuan Jessie net-install minimum and tdebase as I > had the partition ready for install, I'm using it now. But I have more > partitions, maybe try again later. :) > > Thanks, It sounds like you were trying to do this with only one partition. If you use either of the 'separate /home' options, /home needs to have its own partition, and the OS needs another partition. There's no problem using ext4. That's the default. If you want something other than ext2/3/4 you need to format it how you want and use the 'no-format' option. fsr ___ In my limited experience, I've gotten a message saying, in effect: You must have a / partition for the system. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
From: "li...@michaelranft.com" To: dng@lists.dyne.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount? On Dienstag, 19. Juni 2018 19:15:44 CEST Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated > > HB> with usbmount? > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo > > workstation. > > I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have just > installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on how to find > out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in (it isn't > automounting) easiest way would be a tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages before or right after plugging it in to determine the device's name from /var/ log/messages. Ctrl-c finishes output from tail Michael ___ dmesg | tail works for me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
On 19.06.18 12:28, li...@michaelranft.com wrote: > easiest way would be a > tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages > before or right after plugging it in to determine the device's name from /var/ > log/messages. Ctrl-c finishes output from tail Many thanks. With that, a quick: $ pmount /dev/sdb1 somestick had the usb stick mounted as /media/somestick . So long as mounting under /media is acceptable, it's a very convenient way to mount a usb stick when that automount thingy goes off to the pub for a pint. (Happens about once a week here.) I mostly use the other half, pumount, so I can pull the stick out without risk of losing unwritten data. If the usb stick has been labelled, that is used for the mountpoint. If none is provided, the above mounts as /media/sdb1. On 19.06.18 14:41, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I´d use lsblk or lsblk -f. Martin, I think I will too. That is one nifty little bit of kit, not just to be added to my survival notes accumulated over the decades, but to be pushed into the wetware despite increasing backpressure after 2^6 trips around our star. A day is not wasted when we have learnt something useful. (Even if all my digging in the garden still hasn't found the very slow water leak which quadrupled the last quarter's water bill.) Erik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
Le 19/06/2018 à 14:41, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : Erik Christiansen - 19.06.18, 11:15: On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: "HB" == Haines Brown writes: HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated HB> with usbmount? pmount may be what you want. I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo workstation. I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have just installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on how to find out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in (it isn't automounting), then I expect it will be just as good on our distro. I have a little application which monitors hotplug devices and lists the partitions on these devices which have a filesystem. When it is started, it just scans /dev, and then gets notified of any change through inotify-wait. It is a command-line applications with extremely basic TUI functionnality: everytime there is an update, it clears the xterm in which is is running and displays the status on the fresh screen. It is the current state of a project intended to display the hotplug partitions in a GUI window and allow mount/umount/eject on click. I wrote it in Tcl because I wanted to use Tk as the graphical toolkit. This is my first program in Tcl and I have a hard time learning Tk, and I don't work very hard on it :-) The current working application can be run in a small xterm to monitor hotplug devices. It runs forever untill you kill it. It displays the device names the fstypes and the labels. It also can display the mountpoint but I don't know any means to notify it when a partition is mounted/unmounted. It runs as two processes connected by a pipe, but It is made of one single file (192 lines) I can send on demand. It depends on packages tcl and inotify-tools It could easily be hacked to make an automounter, but I didn't do it because automounters break the integrity of the filesystems by principle. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Netdev info for simple-netaid, setnet...
Hi, El 19/06/18 a las 08:08, aitor_czr escribió: I'm integrating the code taken from the netstat plug-in in the worker thread of simple-netaid-gtk: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk/blob/master/src/window_main_worker.cpp I'm still getting some errors, most of them related with some invalid conversions, but i hope to get it working in a few days. Cheers, Aitor. I fixed all the errors in the worker thread. Now i have to modify the following method: void WindowMain::get_info_from_worker_thread( mySingleton Args ) in the WindowMain class, adding all the missing args to the "get_data" function. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
Erik Christiansen - 19.06.18, 11:15: > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems > > associated > > HB> with usbmount? > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my > > gentoo workstation. > > I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have > just installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on how > to find out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in (it > isn't automounting), then I expect it will be just as good on our > distro. I´d use lsblk or lsblk -f. Thanks, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment
On 06/19/2018 03:44 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >> >> I was setting at the check box's. I finished the install and it said it >> was done and to reboot. I rebooted but nothing was installed!?! >> >> I choose a no-format install with existing /home all on /sda2. It >> collected user name, root and user passwd. My partitions are ext4 is >> that a problem? > > > I went and installed Devuan Jessie net-install minimum and tdebase as I > had the partition ready for install, I'm using it now. But I have more > partitions, maybe try again later. :) > > Thanks, It sounds like you were trying to do this with only one partition. If you use either of the 'separate /home' options, /home needs to have its own partition, and the OS needs another partition. There's no problem using ext4. That's the default. If you want something other than ext2/3/4 you need to format it how you want and use the 'no-format' option. fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Raspberrypi images
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Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
Hi Arnt, Arnt Karlsen writes: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:27:35 +0100, Simon wrote in message > <71def11e-d133-4358-b824-46f00dda6...@thehobsons.co.uk>: > >> And as it happens, I had literally just been looking on Distrowatch >> where Devuan is up to rank 11 (with 582 hits/day) over the last 7 >> days vs Debian at rank 6 with 1002 hpd. OK, it’s “just for fun” and >> not really a measure of installed systems, but it shows that there’s >> been steady progress up the charts. >> >> Well done to everyone who proved the naysayers wrong :-) > > ..but why is https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan > saying ceres and testing has systemd??? Don't know, but I just noticed that the Contents-amd64.gz for beowulf contains files that originate from admin/systemd ... As in curl http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf/main/Contents-amd64.gz \ | zegrep admin/systemd$ spits out tons of hits. Maybe that's why? -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:28:25 +0200, li...@michaelranft.com wrote in message <3798937.ubxMohvdBX@asciix220ii>: > On Dienstag, 19. Juni 2018 19:15:44 CEST Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems > > > HB> associated with usbmount? > > > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my > > > gentoo workstation. > > > > I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have > > just installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on > > how to find out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in > > (it isn't automounting) > > easiest way would be a > tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages > before or right after plugging it in to determine the device's name > from /var/ log/messages. Ctrl-c finishes output from tail ..another option is "fdisk -l ", your usb thing will have all its partitions listed in the "new" disk, I just mount the ones I want manually, and playing oneliner guru is yet another option. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem
Hi Steve, Steve Litt writes: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:54:11 +0900 > Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > >> Hi Don, >> >> Don Wright writes: >> >> > [ ... ASCII using Expert (text) from >> > devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso ...] >> > >> > Upon successful boot into the system things looked good locally, >> > until I tried to SSH to the box. Not there! >> > While /etc/network/interfaces has the settings I expected, the GUI >> > showed wicd had ignored them and called DHCP to create all new and >> > mostly wrong settings. >> > >> > #apt remove wicd soon cleaned that up, but who the systemd thought >> > it was a good idea to ignore! working! static! IP! settings! and >> > install an unwelcome network mangler in the first place? Take a >> > purgative, get your heads out of your ASCII, and stop your wicd >> > ways from overriding traditional handcrafted, all-natural, >> > artisanal, text-based config files. >> >> The output of `apt-cache rdepends wicd` using various combinations of >> the --recurse and --no-* options indicate that just about any, if not >> all, of the task-*-desktop packages recommend it, either directly or >> indirectly. Some may even prefer network-manager ... putting you >> between a rock and a hard place. >> >> > The guilty parties should lose an inch of *nix beard each in >> > penance. >> >> The guilty parties would mostly be the task-*-desktop packagers ;-) >> but if you are comfortable with the installer's Expert mode, why not >> forego the installation of a desktop and run >> >> apt install task-desktop wicd- >> >> after the initial system install? >> >> > [ Semi-humorous howls of rage aside: Does the installed system >> > ignore static IP by design? ] >> >> Not if you don't install a desktop ;-) >> # You mentioned installing on a Lenove Think*Server*. I *never* put a >> # desktop on my servers ... >> >> Hope this helps, > > If I understand this correctly, installing any desktop (does this > include window managers like openbox?) brings in wicd in a mode that > breaks hard coded IP addresses. I only tried to answer the question why wicd was installed and point out a way to have one's static IP configuration at install time honoured. These are separate issues. Installing a desktop, by default, pulls in wicd (or network-manager). You can prevent this by using apt-get's --no-install-recommend option. Whether either package blatantly ignores your static IP configuration from when you installed, I cannot tell for sure (zapped wicd) but I vaguely remember that you can tell wicd to leave certain interfaces unmolested. That may even be its default behaviour for interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces. > I would sure find this behavior surprising. If wicd breaks static IP address configurations out-of-the-box I'd be surprised too. I've mainly used it in DHCP settings. On my server's wicd was never installed so any static IP configurations just worked as intended. > Is there a way Devuan can eliminate the "recommends" for wicd and > networkmanager with "desktops"? By making it a "suggests". But I do not recommend that as I suspect the majority of desktop users will be using DHCP. The other option is replacing the wicd (or network-manager) recommends with a good alternative. Here "good" means it handles both static and dynamic IP configurations for wired *and* wireless connections in such a way that the majority of desktop users doesn't even notice it's there and at the same time respects the system administrator's hand crafted configuration. # Veteran Unix Administrator's are free to cobble together their own # solution and `apt purge wicd` goes a long ways towards that end ;-P Hope this clarifies, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Raspberrypi images
Hi all, The latest image for jessie on the raspberrypi2 still refuses to accept anything else as LANG=C, I still can not make it obey my locale setting. Both /etc/locale.gen and /etc/default/locale show the proper settings. I also can not change the setting for the keyboard. Are this issues being worked on? -- Roel Wagenaar, telegram: 0630865765 Linux-User #469851 with the Linux Counter; http://linuxcounter.net/ Antw.: Omdat het de volgorde verstoord waarin mensen tekst lezen. Vraag: Waarom is top-posting een slechte gewoonte? Antw.: Top-posting. Vraag: Wat is het meest ergerlijke in e-mail? If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is it homeless or naked? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated > HB> with usbmount? > > pmount may be what you want. > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo > workstation. I've used it very happily for years on ubuntu and debian, and have just installed it on devuan ascii. If someone can drop a hint on how to find out the device of the usb stick I've just plugged in (it isn't automounting), then I expect it will be just as good on our distro. Erik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment
On 06/18/2018 07:45 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2018 04:49 PM, fsmithred wrote: On 06/18/2018 05:18 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/15/2018 12:34 PM, fsmithred wrote: Refracta no-dbus build (experiment) Nice and fast. I have the installer running now on my thinkpad, I see no option to pick a partition, I want to install on /dev/sda2. Is this possible? Thanks, Yes, it's possible. I can't tell where you are in the installation process. After the partitioner, you should get questions about what partitions to use and what filesystem type you want on it. Then you'll get a summary window that tells you what you told the installer to do. Then it does it. Username and passwords come up at the end. fsr I was setting at the check box's. I finished the install and it said it was done and to reboot. I rebooted but nothing was installed!?! I choose a no-format install with existing /home all on /sda2. It collected user name, root and user passwd. My partitions are ext4 is that a problem? I went and installed Devuan Jessie net-install minimum and tdebase as I had the partition ready for install, I'm using it now. But I have more partitions, maybe try again later. :) Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - Intel 3320M - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?
> "HB" == Haines Brown writes: HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated HB> with usbmount? pmount may be what you want. I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo workstation. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Netdev info for simple-netaid, setnet...
Hi again, El 31/05/18 a las 10:02, aitor_czr escribió: Hi all, As i announced in the irc channel, i've extracted the code of the netstatus plugin for LXPanel. This plugin has been ported by Hong Jen Yee (PCManFM) from the original code comming from the GNOME2 netstatus panel applet. I've been testing it and works succesfully. For example, in the case of a wireless connection, it gives me the following output in the command line: NETDEV_INFO: IP Adress = 192.168.0.11 Broadcast = 192.168.0.255 Netmask = 255.255.255.0 Protocol = IEEE 802.11 Essid = "Euskaltel-58YA" Signal Quality = 94% Netdev Status: "Connected to wlan0" On the other hand, in the case of a wired connection it gives me this other one: NETDEV_INFO: IP Adress = 192.168.0.10 Broadcast = 192.168.0.255 Netmask = 255.255.255.0 Netdev Status: "Connected to eth0" After unplugging from my router, i get: NETDEV_INFO: Netdev Status: "Disconnected" What is more it also works fine in the case of renamed devices like eth1/wlan1, etc... and doesn't need root permissions. This is great for projects like setnet and simple-netaid! When i tidy the code, i'll push it to gitlab. Cheers, Aitor. I'm integrating the code taken from the netstat plug-in in the worker thread of simple-netaid-gtk: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk/blob/master/src/window_main_worker.cpp I'm still getting some errors, most of them related with some invalid conversions, but i hope to get it working in a few days. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
