Re: [DNG] Configuring ethernet port for IPv6
On 1/30/22 14:01, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 8:14 AM Simon wrote: Joel Roth via Dng wrote: My problem is connecting via dhcp over ethernet. On IRC I was advised to try ping ff02::1%eth1 which fails to get a response, indicating IPv6 is not enabled in my client. I tried setting "iface eth1 inet6 dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, then "ifup eth1". This fails with no link-local IPv6 address for eth1 References suggest that "ifconfig eth1 up" or "ip link set dev eth1 up" will trigger the kernel to assign an IPv6 address. Since this is not happening, I'm asking the wisdom of the list VUAs how to enable IPv6 for this port. You don’t actually need DHCP to configure IPv6. snip As an aside, and not specifically in response to either of the above emails, I recommend the certification scheme run by HE at https://ipv6.he.net/certification/, and if your ISP doesn’t yet offer IPv6, then their tunnel service will provide you with good IPv6 connectivity. It’s true that there is some learning you need to do for IPv6, but this course will take you through things in steps - start with the basics and work up to the more complicated stuff. The only bit I thought was a p.i.t.a. is a stage where you have to provide ping and traceroute results to 100 different IPv6 destinations over 100 days. The hardest part if finding 100 different destinations - at the time I did it, I did some grepping of DNS server logs at work to find them ;-) Not only do I want to echo mr Joel but for mr Simon. This gives great information - - - all together AND in a fashion that I think I may even be understanding this. Please would you fashion perhaps 2 or three more messages for intermediate and maybe even extend this into more of the 'advanced' networking country. I am not needing ipv6 at present but likely this spring fiber optics are happening (finally some decent speed options) and they are in the process of moving to ipv6 likely within a year or so. I would prefer to know at least some more before I 'need' it. I think this is all great right up until you need a fixed address for something like a mail server or a web server. So far, I've found IPV6 to be unreliable. -- Curtis https://curtis.maurand.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Stupid boot question
Hello, This question has probably been answered many times before. I'm looking for the boot logs on my system. During the boot process I see all sorts of messages go by, but I'm seeing a list of "whitelisted" ip addresses and many other go by but I can't find them anywhere. grep -ri whitelist /var/log/* returns nothing. There is nothing in dmesg but driver output. I see some boot messages in /var/log/messages, but not anything related. Where does devuan store it's boot messages? Thanks, Curtis -- Curtis https://curtis.maurand.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] meta: list
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2022, at 10:39 AM, marc wrote: > > Hi > > Just a quick note that in the last week or so google seems > have ratcheted up its rejection of mail from independent MTAs > a notch or two. > > IF you check your logs, you might see 550 rejects with a message > such as > > Our system has detected that this message is likely > unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent > to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError > for more information. > > In this case this is for an IP+DNS combination that is known > to never have sent spam. And of course the supreme irony of > the matter is that google itself stands accused of injecting > spam into people's email - see noyb.eu > > The first reaction is to be a bit bleak about this, but > giving it some thought, there might be a silver lining to > this: This might be a significant step in the split into > "internet classic" the familiar favourite versus > the "hinternet.google", the free, convenient, but > also watered-down and shrinkflated version. > > Amusingly I think the DNG list here might have gotten > a headstart on this, with its unconfigured reverse > DNS entry - looking through the recent mails I see > next to no participants from gmail.com - presumably > because they haven't seen mail from here. > > So I think the only sensible reaction is to get word out > that to participate in this list it is now even more > important find a decent nongmail provider, or even > better - set up your own MX/MTA. > > I know that this can be a bit of a PITA, but if > you maximise for convenience rather than knowledge/privacy, > shouldn't you be using MacOS/Android instead than Devuan ? I’ve been running my own MTA for 15+ years. occasionally I get bounced. recently was bounced by sbcglobal (AT) who doesn’t respond to removal requests. It’s definitely a PITA. However, in all fairness, I was sending to a large group (25 or so)and that might have done it. It’s imperative that you have rdns, spf, dkim and dmarc set up and that it all matches. My MTA will reject you if your ptr doesn’t match your a record and your helo/ehlo hostname. spf, skim and dmarc are all scored via spamassassin. Google rejects, outright, if there is any sort of mismatch in any of that at all. Setting up dnssec for your domain is also helpful. DNG list traffic comes through just fine. Cheers —Curtis > regards > > marc > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Antony Stone > wrote: > > On Saturday 30 July 2022 at 16:47:59, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Inconvenient to newbies? LOL, compare it to *too or Slackware :-) > > Have I missed something - are there spinoffs from Gentoo which also end in > too? > > Just intrigued at your (twice, now) use of the wildcard. > My big complaint with systemd is that it turns Linux into a boot loader for systemd. systemd runs every in the foreground which places you at its mercy and how well systemd multitasks, which os not vert well. Cheers, Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
I agree with Anthony’s assessment. I’ve been ising the mate desktop on devuan since ascii. my only complaint is lack of user management tools in the control panel. It’s a pretty minor beef since I’m ver comfortable on the command line. —Curtis Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2022, at 7:14 AM, tito via Dng wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 06:07:53 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: >>> https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ >>> >>> I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD >>> >> >> I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. However, >> I've >> never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly inconvenient for newbies. >> >> SteveT > > Hi, > > FUD:"And now we come to the last Linux distro on our list, where things get > extreme. > This is because we’re not just discussing another systemd-free Linux > distribution, > but one on a mission against systemd. But first, let me explain what this is > all about." > > Devuan is on a mission for init system freedom not against something. > > FUD: "Unfortunately, its widespread adoption is hampered by several factors." > > Of the listed distributions only MX and Slackware rank betteer on > distrowatch.com, the other > rank at about the same positions as Devuan. > > "First, due to the distribution’s establishment by a group of old-school > Linux administrators, > many of its features are reminiscent of Linux distributions from 15 or more > years ago." > > FUD: devuan shares the same packages with current Debian almost to 100%. > > "For example, the installer is not something that an average Linux user could > manage easily." > > FUD: The installer is the same as Debian's > > "In addition, many of the useful graphical tools that modern Linux users are > used to are absent." > > FUD.: I know of no such useful graphical tools that are absent apart of > "cockpit", anyway they > are not listed so this is an allegation with no proof. > > "Yes, Devuan is Debian without systemd, but we should add something else. > This distribution is not intended for the average Linux user, for whom UNIX > philosophy and GNU values are just words." > > FUD: the author doesn't know personally every linux users so how does he know? > > "To use and understand Devuan, you must change your mindset and perception of > the distribution’s > core beliefs. Because, in my perspective, Devuan is first philosophy and > secondarily a Linux distribution." > > FUD: to use devuan you have just to keep the mindset you had with previous > versions of Debian. > > Ciao, > Tito > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft
My humblest apologies about inserting the spam header, folks. That was me having two problems. 1. I wasn't paying attention. 2. I have a problem with rspamd bouncing more than it should solicited commercial email and classifying most everything else as spam. I fix the first problem immediately. The latter is going to take some tweaking. On 7/15/22 12:07, Curtis Maurand wrote: We were using it as a Server OS and on the clients - and later on, wanted to start using the thin client-versions, too. But then, we understood, that there wouldn't be much further development and eComstation, as nice as it is, has not really made any progress compared to OS/2 :-( ;.( The server version was seriously cool and very stable. We thought the 32 bit HPFS was really cool. It was blazingly fast. Hans Reiser was closing in on it with reiserfs (that went off the rails). BTRFS has all of the HPFS cool features and then some. I just wish it recovered from crashes better. But now, there is Devuan :-) Why yes there is. :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Curtis https://curtis.maurand.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *** SPAM *** Re: Lennart now working for Microsoft
We were using it as a Server OS and on the clients - and later on, wanted to start using the thin client-versions, too. But then, we understood, that there wouldn't be much further development and eComstation, as nice as it is, has not really made any progress compared to OS/2 :-( ;.( The server version was seriously cool and very stable. We thought the 32 bit HPFS was really cool. It was blazingly fast. Hans Reiser was closing in on it with reiserfs (that went off the rails). BTRFS has all of the HPFS cool features and then some. I just wish it recovered from crashes better. But now, there is Devuan :-) Why yes there is. :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] PHP question
Thank you. I have set that up for my next server which is under construction. I had actually used the top part of the the sury readme about downloading the key to the keyring and adding the "[signed by ...]" statement with changes made for my setup and for pkg.tdrnetworks.com, but yes, I added their repository. It works great. super excited that there is a viable solution. Thanks again, Curtis On 6/24/22 01:00, Miki via Dng wrote: Hi, I've been using this packages for a while without any issues: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34499#p34499 They are maintaining a rebuild of sury php sources without systemd dependency. |apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com> --recv 1CC02413BFF88108 |### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Chimaera deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main|| Miki Missatge de Curtis Maurand via Dng del dia dj., 23 de juny 2022 a les 17:49: Hello, I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting system for several years. I've been using ISPConfig and the debian perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan. I'm up to Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can get PHP 7.4 support. I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end of November of this year. The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1. Using the instructions at packages.sury.org <http://packages.sury.org>, I am able to add the other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd. I would love to keep running Devuan. It runs way better than anything systemd based. Is there a workaround for this limitation? I've tried installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor revisions behind sury.org <http://sury.org>. It also seems to need a version of libc6 greater than or equal to x.xx. As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written intending to run on version 7.4 Trying not to install ubuntu, --Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] PHP question
Thank you all for your help. Sorry for the delay in response. I had a hardware issue to deal with, yesterday. All is well. I've been reading all of the suggestions that were sent. I will keep you posted with what I come up with. --Curtis On 6/23/22 14:57, Rod Rodolico via Dng wrote: sury breaks devuan since the maintainer decided to use systemd specific libraries to create a temp file. instead, use tdrnetworks, which is basically sury, but gets rid of that dependency. See https://kb.unixservertech.com/unix/linux/debian/devuan_sury for complete information. I'm running Devuan with ISPConfig3 also. Rod On 6/23/22 10:49, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: Hello, I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting system for several years. I've been using ISPConfig and the debian perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan. I'm up to Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can get PHP 7.4 support. I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end of November of this year. The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1. Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd. I would love to keep running Devuan. It runs way better than anything systemd based. Is there a workaround for this limitation? I've tried installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 greater than or equal to x.xx. As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written intending to run on version 7.4 Trying not to install ubuntu, --Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] PHP question
Hello, I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting system for several years. I've been using ISPConfig and the debian perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan. I'm up to Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can get PHP 7.4 support. I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end of November of this year. The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1. Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd. I would love to keep running Devuan. It runs way better than anything systemd based. Is there a workaround for this limitation? I've tried installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 greater than or equal to x.xx. As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written intending to run on version 7.4 Trying not to install ubuntu, --Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Another reason for why I use Devuan
On 2/21/22 14:02, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: Anno domini 2022 Mon, 21 Feb 18:08:20 + Arnt Karlsen scripsit: On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 02:44:12 -0300, Gastón wrote in message <20220218054412.ga5...@devuan.devuan.com.ar>: On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:52:43PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 05:41:59PM -0800, Syeed Ali wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:25:05 -1000 Joel Roth via Dng wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 05:55:49PM -0700, Keith Christian via Dng wrote: This describes the machine ID: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html So a creation of the freedesktop folks. I like this quote: It should be considered "confidential", and must not be exposed in untrusted environments, ... Just checked. On my pure devuan system, there is no /etc/machine-id filre, but there is a /var/lib/dbus/machine-id Should I worry? ..dunno, chk https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg24726.html I leave here the link to the thread with the discussion about machine-id that occurred in this list in 2019 https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg24687.html In /etc/default/dbus you can set the IDTYPE to be a RANDOM value. ..thanks for the remainder, I had a feeling I had forgotten something of importance updating a wee spare ascii disk install to chimaera. IMO it's set to RANDOM by default, at leaset it is on my machines. But I run daedalus. Nik I'm running both Beowulf and Chimaera. it's set to "RANDOM" on everything. I never changed it. I never knew about it, so thank you all for the education. --Curtis ..lost a coupla days worth of emails and command line history in my 1GB stopped dead disk, after getting distracted from backup-ing blue smoking the red and blue wiring off my other Precision M4400, crisy clear green monochrome at 1920x1200@60Hz didn't leave enough video memory for any X on any plug-in screen, all the while while the consoles were annoyingly consoling. ;oD ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] grub 2.04 and kernel 2.6
On 2/13/22 16:05, Peter Duffy wrote: I've got an old box running CentOS 6.2 and Windows 7. Without going into details, this box is vital and I use it every day. Finally I decided that I had to bite the bullet and upgrade the linux system, and I decided to go for chimaera. Built a new box from scratch and cloned all the disks, using dd, to fresh HDDs (there are several big data disks in the box). Made another clone of the first disk just for safety's sake, then installed chimaera on free space on the first disk - successful; chimaera and windows 7 both booted fine. But CentOS 6.2 wouldn't boot - sometimes automatic reboot, sometimes blank screen and hung box. Switched back to the latest clone disk, which fortunately booted successfully, made a fresh clone of the working disk, then tried again: this time, installed beowulf. Install was successful - and this time devuan, windows 7 and CentOS 6.2 all booted successfully. Took another safety clone of the first disk (I'm beginning to wonder if I've exhausted the world's stock of 2T HDDs) and then upgraded beowulf to chimaera. Upgrade successful. Again, the CentOS 6.2 system wouldn't boot. CentOS 6.2 uses kernel 2.6 - it's possible to upgrade to a later one, but this is frowned upon. I suppose it's based on RedHat and derivatives' policy of setting a base version per distro and then retrofitting updates. (I did once try upgrading to a v4 kernel, and the system became completely unstable.) Removed the primary disk, put in the clone with beowulf installed, and verified that all was still working. Then put the disk with chimaera in another box with identical hardware, and started digging into the problem. Grub on chimaera = 2.04-20; on beowulf = 2.02+dfsg1-20 +deb10u4. Booted into chimaera and downloaded the packages for the beowulf grub release (grub2, grub2-common, grub-common, grub-pc, and grub-pc-bin), and used them to downgrade grub on the chimaera system - successful. Rebooted - CentOS 6.2 now boots. Tried going into the grub command line environment on each box, and using the "linux" command to load the 2.6 kernel image: result was in grub 2.02, it works fine, and in 2.04, the box reboots at that point. So current conclusion is that something has happened between grub 2.02 and 2.04 which prevents the latter from loading linux v2 kernels. The challenge now is to find out what, and if it's possible to work around it in grub 2.04. (I should say that I originally assumed that the problem was down to moving a disk (or a clone of it) from a non-UEFI environment to a UEFI one - but setting everything in the firmware to "legacy only" didn't have any effect.) Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts and comments (other than why the hell am I still running CentOS 6.2 on this box), before I start rummaging through the grub changelogs. Apologies for the length of this and also if I've missed something obvious. The above is a heavily boiled-down summary of about a fortnight of stress and lost sleep. Wow. Nice piece of troubleshooting. Have you thought about virtualizing some of this? I have a windows 7 machine that I virtualized a long time ago. I just move it from host to host. VMWare has a free tool that will convert your physical machine to a virtual machine. qemu has tools to convert from vmdk (vmware virtual machine format) to qcow2 for kvm. Even better, you can run them at the same time. :-) Just a thought. -Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] upgrade issues
Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2022, at 5:16 PM, terryc wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:04:12 -0500 > Curtis Maurand wrote: > >> >> daemons that were stopped and disabled got re-enabled and started, >> cups, cups-browsed, avahi-daemon, saned. >> None of these are needed on >> a LAMP installation. I had disabled them a long time ago. It seems >> to me, that the install script should be checking so see whether a >> service is set to be running in the default runlevels. I had run >> update-rc.d -f service remove on all of those. I found them all >> running and had to stop and disable them all again. >> >> Apparmor, which, when I first installed this machine, was stopped and >> removed before I had gone and installed anything on it. Apparmor got >> installed, though I had uninstalled it when I set this server up. I >> had to stop it, run aa-teardown and run update-rc.d -f remove >> apparmor. I though I had purged that a long time ago. >> >> Thought this was worth noting. > >> > Did you turn off reccomends? That catches me and drags a pile in. > ooh, i did not. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] upgrade issues
Sorry about not proofreading before hitting send. On 2/13/22 15:04, Curtis Maurand wrote: Hello, I've been running Devuan since ASCII. I love the distribution so far and I really like that systemd is not involved. Install docker and parts of systemd infrastructure will show up, though, like cgroups. I upgraded this machine to Beowulf and I have spent a couple of weeks trying to upgrade it to Chimaera. For the most part the upgrade went smoothly on the 3rd try. Thankfully, this is on a virtual machine so I was able to work no a copy in a test environment. The first test environment (an old 6 core AMD) was pressed into service. The upgrade failed on this host because it is so old (AMD Phenom II 6 core) that it did not have ssse3 support. libhypersan (needed for regular expressions) won't install without it. That broke the entire installation. So that was no good and I had to change hosts. That covers the first 2 tries. I host websites on this system. It needs to work. fail2ban didn't like the upgrade process at all and hung. I had to kill fail2ban and the dist-upgrade went on, but gave an dpkg error at the end. postgrey also hung. I killed that and got a dkpg error at the end on that one, too. PHP is 2 versions behind. Seriously? The current version 8.1.n. PHP 7.4 goes end of life in november and Devuan has no PHP upgrade path as the Sury.org packages will install except for php-fpm which has a systemd dependency. I need php-fpm as most modern webservers use this instead of apache directly. Plesk and ISPConfig both work this way. I'm running ISPConfig. daemons that were stopped and disabled got re-enabled and started, cups, cups-browsed, avahi-daemon, saned. None of these are needed on a LAMP installation. I had disabled them a long time ago. It seems to me, that the install script should be checking so see whether a service is set to be running in the default runlevels. I had run update-rc.d -f service remove on all of those. I found them all running and had to stop and disable them all again. Apparmor, which, when I first installed this machine, was stopped and removed before I had gone and installed anything on it. Apparmor got installed, though I had uninstalled it when I set this server up. I had to stop it, run aa-teardown and run update-rc.d -f remove apparmor. I though I had purged that a long time ago. Thought this was worth noting. Cheers, Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] upgrade issues
Hello, I've been running Devuan since ASCII. I love the distribution so far and I really like that systemd is not involved. Install docker and parts of systemd infrastructure will show up, though, like cgroups. I upgraded this machine to Beowulf and I have spent a couple of weeks trying to upgrade it to Chimaera. For the most part the upgrade went smoothly on the 3rd try. Thankfully, this is on a virtual machine so I was able to work no a copy in a test environment. The first test environment (an old 6 core AMD) was pressed into service. The upgrade failed on this host because it is so old (AMD Phenom II 6 core) that it did not have ssse3 support. libhypersan (needed for regular expressions) won't install without it. That broke the entire installation. So that was no good and I had to change hosts. That covers the first 2 tries. I host websites on this system. It needs to work. fail2ban didn't like the upgrade process at all and hung. I had to kill fail2ban and the dist-upgrade went on, but gave an dpkg error at the end. postgrey also hung. I killed that and got a dkpg error at the end on that one, too. PHP is 2 versions behind. Seriously? The current version 8.1.n. PHP 7.4 goes end of life in november and Devuan has no PHP upgrade path as the Sury.org packages will install except for php-fpm which has a systemd dependency. I need php-fpm as most modern webservers use this instead of apache directly. Plesk and ISPConfig both work this way. I'm running ISPConfig. daemons that were stopped and disabled got re-enabled and started, cups, cups-browsed, avahi-daemon, saned. None of these are needed on a LAMP installation. I had disabled them a long time ago. It seems to me, that the install script should be checking so see whether a service is set to be running in the default runlevels. I had run update-rc.d -f service remove on all of those. I found them all running and had to stop and disable them all again. Apparmor, which, when I first installed this machine, was stopped and removed before I had gone and installed anything on it. Apparmor got installed, though I had uninstalled it when I set this server up. I had to stop it, run aa-teardown and run update-rc.d -f remove apparmor. I though I had purged that a long time ago. Thought this was worth noting. Cheers, Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] software question
How about PHPList? It works like constant contact or mailchimp. mailchimp has a "free" level of service. So far mailchimp has been enough for the small concert choir I do work for. --Curtis On 1/23/22 2:14 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: On January 21, 2022 7:15:06 PM GMT+01:00, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: Greetings For a non-profit - - - this is not bulk email for sales - - - - bulk email for connection. Is there a linux program (foss hopefully) that will allow me to do this? (Sending regualr emails to a group of people (from 15 to 50 recipients).) TIA With LibreOffice you can send personalized bulk mail. IIRC it was quite annoying to set up, but once done, it worked. I just use /etc/aliases -- hendrik -- [message sent otg] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:49 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: >> Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " > > Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png > > Will need to be discussed at our weekly … “Your first step matters” just my 2 pennies ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage
> On Jan 4, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > The simplest way to kick off problms with /usr merge is to *not* make > /usr a mountpoint. There is no utility in splitting the OS in several > partitions. This wouldn't help you recover the OS if one partition is broken > since the package manager installs/deinstalls files not only on /usr, but > also /, /etc, /boot, /var. Splitting is even discouraged if you use a > filesystem with snapshots like btrfs (whih isn't my case). The only thing > which may (and should) be on a different disk (not partition) is the precious > user data, ie /home. > > -- Didier I simply save snapshots not only locally, but an external snapshots locally on a separate drive and to a NAS. If my IQ were higher than the number of terabytes I have on the NAS, I would have the NAS in a separate location. —Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] busybox init
> On Jan 3, 2022, at 6:08 PM, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > Didier Kryn: >>> Le 03/01/2022 à 21:27, tito via Dng a écrit : >>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET) >>> k...@aspodata.se wrote: > ... The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just one script /etc/init.d/rcS (or where you prefer to place it). One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own handwritten and tuned script there. > > If you have /usr on a separate partition... > > This didn't work: > for i in /etc/rcS.d/S*; do $i start; done > fsck.* and mount has dep. into /usr > > Manually mounting with busybox/mount works, but > there is no fsck.ext4 in busybox. > After mountall /usr is available, so the rest did work and > so did > for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done > > ... >>> I would build a static compiled busybox binary with: > > Yes like: > git clone git://busybox.net/busybox.git > cd busybox > make defconfig > make menuconfig # I wanted static busybox binary > make > mkdir /busybox > cp busybox /busybox > cd /busybox > ./busybox --install . > >>> init >>> a shell >>> reboot, shutdown >>> swapon/swapoff >>> mount, umount >>> (start-stop-daemon) >>> (getty, login) >> AFAIR you would also need cttyhack, setsid and a few others I've >> forgotten if you want to be able to debug it. > ... > > cttyhack and setsid is in busybox upstream. > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar > > __ I was reading the “comment on systemd” article. the last two sview and svcpage could be aliases to those shell scripts rewritten to take cli arguments in your .bashrc. just saying. —Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2021, at 4:48 AM, hal wrote: > > > > On 12/16/21 09:00, Haines Brown wrote: > >> The behavior is hard to describe. When I scoll text up or down by >> using the arrow keys, the lines of text begin to break up and >> become unreadable until they settle about one second after the > > > I'd give memtest86+ a run and see if it finds anything buggy with the RAM > I’ve been running it for about a week and a half and I have not noticed the behavior and Im on an AMD cpu/gpu combo system and it’s old. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
I run ispconfig. uses postfix/dovecot/bind or powerdns. i host several websites and email domains on beowulf. follow the perfect server debian instructions. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2021, at 6:06 PM, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:26 AM Adrian Zaugg >> wrote: >> In der Nachricht vom Monday, 29 November 2021 23:08:33 CET schrieb Adrian >> Zaugg: >> > Be prepared for a long, long journey setting up an email system with >> > SMTP/ IMAP/Webmail using all the goodies SPF/SRS, BATV, DKIM, DNSSEC, TLS >> > certs, DANE, virusscanning, anti-spam Measures (possibly greylisting, >> > classification, RBLs, dnswl, ...), virtual domain handling, user auth from >> > a directory, automatical MUA configuration, backup of the mailstorage, asf. >> ...sieve and vacation might also be nice and a solution for an addressbook, >> both integrated into the webmail > > > Hm - - - - interesting ideas. > A couple votes for dovecot, lots of roll your own using selected from the > plethora of > options - - - but - - - - - . > > I had thought that when I asked about an email system that there might be > words > re: dovecot (which I did see - - thanks) but what about iRedMail, Citadel, > Cyrus > - - - - - or are those considered groupware only? > > I think I'm getting more confused rather than less!! > > TIA > > Regards > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] etckeeper: was: Er, Not that way ? .Re: Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!
On 10/18/21 4:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Olaf Meeuwissen said on Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:52:05 +0900 I keep track of /etc with etckeeper which puts that directory under git version control. That means I can always track back changes to package updates or me mucking around there and see exactly what changed. That can be very helpful if an `apt upgrade` broke stuff, more so because I track "testing" ;-) Nice!!! I run on a BTRFS file system and /etc is in it's on sub volume. I just take a snapshot of it. restoration is as easy as overwriting a file or folder from the snapshot. I store the snapshots both locally and externally. Works great. I handle /var/lib/mysql that way, too. Cheers, Curtis SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2021, at 4:55 PM, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > Funny guy - - - - > >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 10:36 AM tito via Dng wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:43:46 -0500 >> o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: >> >> > Greetings >> > >> > I'm finding myself occasionally drowning in information resulting in me >> > trying to improve the connection between what I'm working on AND the >> > information that I'm collecting. >> > >> > An example (followed by some questions). >> > >> > I'm into gardening/raising my own food (simplified for here!!). >> > >> > Create a directory 'gardening' . >> > >> > Inside 'gardening' notes for a particular year (each year in its own >> > directory). >> > Also in 'gardening' are directories for various crops 'potatoes'/'malus' >> > (easier to say apples but I'm >> > including pears and and ). >> > 'Potatoes' includes files (notes) some of which needs to be taken from >> > something like a >> >diary/journal (rednotebook is my preferred tool at this point). >> > 'Potatoes' includes directories like specific >> > varieties/diseases/pests/fertilization/remedies. >> > Further information like cooking/techniques for/health related/other uses >> > (think distilling) as a >> >further level. >> > >> > This is all found in one project - - - - and I have projects - - maybe too >> > many but things are what they are. >> > >> > I'm trying to find a way of connecting things. >> > >> > So when I find an idea that I can use for electronic control on movement >> > that I can link that to irrigation and then back to the >> > 'shrubs/trees/plants'. >> > >> > I would rather NOT have 10 different copies of the same information stored >> > - - - wastes space - - - but I'm finding that looking for information that >> > sometimes I have what I'm found but it was/is connected to a very different >> > project. >> > >> > Dig some digging and hard links to directories are a no no (!) - - >> > like forbidden. >> > >> > I could see hard links being useful for what I want where soft links are >> > going to break (have had the joy of breaking some myself and causing myself >> > all kinds of joy in the process). >> >> Hi, >> I was going to propose file systems with hard and soft links >> (which BTW break only if you yourself break them) >> but as they are taboo the only other and far superior >> system is to use paper and ink. This system showed resilience, >> ease of use and hardware independence for the last 4000 years. >> In conjunction with a physiological process better known as >> learning which transforms your brain in the primary >> storage for pointers to the information stored in >> your papyrus rolls and allows endless recombination >> of the inputted information to achieve what is called progress >> through try and error (let's see what happens if principle). >> In the end this process will make you a expert in the field of your >> choice and your papyrus rolls will be saved in libraries >> for the future generations to study (unless they use >> only wikipedia and instead of studying they just >> print them out wasting loads of paper with no >> result at all). > > As I manage to collect some 25 to 40 GB of pdfs and notes in an > 'normal' year paper lost its appeal some 30 years ago. > I would likely need to hire a couple people just to store maintain and > index the information - - - if you're paying I'll start tomorrow. >> >> Ciao, >> Tito >> >> P.S.: I suggest for urban gardening: onions, peppers and cucumbers >> they grow in almost every condition. >> Tomatoes are very sensible to lots of diseases and lost their taste >> long time ago in the process to be made solid red. >> With avocado trees in pots I got mixed results, >> with mango trees in pots this year is the first time >> there is a good chance of eating some mangos. > > Don't know where you got the information that I'm urban but I can tell > you that tomatoes plucked ripe from the vine - - - they have flavor and > task quite different to what you purchase in your grocery - - - - I call > those 'little rocks' - - - bugs my wife a lot but I really don't like them. > Taste too much like straight cellulose > > Please do let me know if you're up for funding the needed help - - - > I would think that some $250k a year for the next 25 years should do > nicely. > A quick web search pulled up quite a few different solutions for document management and indexing. https://www.linuxlinks.com/documentmanagementsystems/ > Regards > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need openssl for this week's fetchmail vulnerabiltiy fix
On 8/7/21 7:05 AM, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: # apt-get source openssl Reading package lists... Done E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list Have you run apt-get update after having modified sources.list? # cat /etc/apt/sources.list ## package repositories deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main ## source repositories deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main Your sources are correct, even overkill as pointed out by others. For the openssl sources, you only require: deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main Is it possible he needs openssl-dev? Just asking. Thanks, Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?
I’ve been running a production system first on ascii, but upgraded to beowulf. the only trouble I’ve had has been hardware and that was just a failed power supply. i run the whole thing on kvm/libvirt. runs great. uptimes in the 100’s of days. Your mileage may vary. —Curtis Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2021, at 7:45 PM, yami...@cock.li wrote: > > Hi. > > I want to install a bare metal hypervisor in my computer to get the benefits > from dual booting except without the mess that is dual booting. > > I'm going to use it for both linux and windows systems and all I want is for > the vms and their files to be isolated, control over their resources, PCI > passthrough, and good performance. I don't care for a GUI as long as scripts > are an option. > > Currently I'm between Xen and Qemu, but I'm open to other options. > Which would be the best option in this case, and is this even a good idea? > > Thanks. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense
If you’re looking at something like zentyal, you could look at HPE’s clearos as well. there is a free version. It does all the things that zentyal does. it’s only drawback is that it’s based on centos and it’s laced with systemd. —Curtis Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 10, 2021, at 3:31 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > > On 6/8/21 7:05 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> ..turns out ebox changed its name, and, it does not support Procmail: >> https://zentyal.com/features/ > > It seemed to be going in a good direction, but maybe they didn't have enough > funding. The last version I used was 5. After that, there was no benefit, as > it became too brittle and resource hungry. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense
I’ve been running ispconfig on my beowulf servers for quite some time, now. security model is more like plesk. nobody should be running cpanel. cpanel is dangerous. I had several websites hacked. the attack vector was cpanel. all websites rin under the coanel user. it doesn’t work that way under plesk or ispconfig. ispconfig is free and lacks a native file manager, but who needs them with ftps/sftp options. it will manage ufw as well.if you use it please toss some money their way. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 12:05:39AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >> ..snip "tech" justification of subversive systemd politics. >> >>> So in summary, there is no way of running cockpit in a >>> non-systemd/Linux environment that I'd be willing to support. > > Most of the worries mentioed here seem a bit overblown, but still > need to be considered. >> >> ..found just 3 mentions of "systemd", and this gem in: >> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/c/cockpit/cockpit_243-1_changelog >> "- Detect unregistered RHEL systems on Software Updates page" > > But I did look at those mentions of systemd. The one I found > worrisome was the first: > > * Add smoke autopkgtest that can run in containers. >Add a simple test of cockpit-bridge and the login page to ensure that >packages have the right dependencies and contents, and that the systemd >units are set up correctly to get a login page on >https://localhost:9090. >This can also run in a container and thus in Debian's CI and on all > > If systemd becomes an integral par of Debian's packaging system, > it may cause us difficulties. > > -- hendrik >> >> ..now, Martin Pitt does offer a good recommendation: >>> For these I'd rather recommend looking at webmin, ebox, or similar >>> project." >> >> ..https://alternativeto.net/software/cockpit-linux/ >> >> ..to maintain e.g. webmin (https://www.webmin.com/ ) >> support for cockpit, you may wanna look at these 2: ... >> "https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-bridge >> Cockpit bridge server-side component >> The Cockpit bridge component installed server side and runs commands >> on the system on behalf of the web based user interface." >> ...and "https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-tests >> Tests for Cockpit >> This package contains tests and files used while testing Cockpit. >> These files are not required for running Cockpit." ... >> >> ...and check systemd and cockpit brass thinking: ... >> https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-doc >> "Cockpit deployment and developer guide >> The Cockpit Deployment and Developer Guide shows sysadmins how to >> deploy Cockpit on their machines as well as helps developers who >> want to embed or extend Cockpit." >> >> ...against: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/cockpit >> and the possible potential Ken Thompson style hacks: >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ken+Thompson+style+hacks=web >> >> ..and, who needs a compiler with systemd onboard? My guess is systemd >> running as PID1, can be set up to launch such possible "Ken Thompson >> style hack" attacks, all you need to do is hide them away in binaries >> somewhere "neccessary" online, so these new Cockpit web admin user >> systemd victims never understand them, even if they ever find out how >> to read such C etc code... >> >> ..on cockpit and alternatives: >> https://www.unixmen.com/cockpit-a-beginner-friendly-server-administration-tool/ >> https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/241/Cockpit >> https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/cpanel-vs-plesk-vs-webpanel/ >> https://alternativeto.net/software/webmin/ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels >> >> ..cockpit is not known by Wikipedia: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_(disambiguation) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search=500=0=default=intitle%3A%22Cockpit%22=1 >> >> >> ..turns out ebox changed its name, and, it does not support Procmail: >> https://zentyal.com/features/ >> >> ..webmin supports procmail. >> >> -- >> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen >> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... >> Scenarios always come in sets of three: >> best case, worst case, and just in case. >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: Distribution upgrade issue
I will definitely run the mysql upgrade first. I’m assuming i should do the mysql upgrade after I update the package lists with the beowulf lists. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Hector Gonzalez Jaime via Dng > wrote: > > >> On 2/22/21 3:30 PM, Antony Stone wrote: >>> On Monday 22 February 2021 at 22:26:17, Hector Gonzalez Jaime via Dng wrote: >>> >>> I've seen your original problem frequently, mysql and mariadb both are >>> turned off during upgrades, and then apt-get goes on to install other >>> packages, which might require a database to be running and have no >>> control over this. A workaround is, whenever you have mysql (or >>> mariadb) present, update it first and alone, like this: >>> >>> apt-get update >>> apt-get install default-mysql-server # this command depends on your >>> version, just reinstall mysql's server first. >>> apt-get upgrade >>> apt-get dist-upgrade >>> >>> This way mysql gets updated first, and will be running for the rest of >>> your system. >> I like that - it sounds like an excellent tip (hard to see how it might be >> included in an automated update process, but that would of course be even >> better). >> >> Have you ever mentioned this to the Debian project, to see whether they >> consider this either to be a bug in the upgrade process, or at least a >> workaround worth documenting for people doing the upgrade? > I had only seen this with external packages, so, no, I've never mentioned it. > I think if packages depend on a database of any kind to be updated, they > should wait for it to be done before they run their scripts, but then again, > the database might not even be configured to run in the same system. >> >> Antony. >> > -- > Hector Gonzalez > ca...@genac.org > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: Distribution upgrade issue
On 2/22/21 4:26 AM, Pontus Goffe via Dng wrote: Putting this back on list. I still think you are doing it wrong, after changing your sources.list(s) you should, at least apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade Ah. you have an extra step. The following is from the website doc. Update the package lists from the Beowulf repository. |root@devuan:~# apt-get update| Devuan Jessie users should now upgrade the Devuan repository keyring, and update the package lists again so packages can be authenticated. |root@devuan:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring| |root@devuan:~# apt-get update| If xscreensaver is running you should kill it now as it needs to be stopped before it can be upgraded. |root@devuan:~# killall xscreensaver| Now you can perform the upgrade. |root@devuan:~# apt-get dist-upgrade| I dont mean that this is your problem, but it could be. //PG Vidarebefordrat meddelande Ämne: Re: [DNG] Distribution upgrade issue Datum: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 04:19:29 -0500 Från: Curtis Maurand Till: Pontus Goffe did i mention that i startrd with ascii. apt-get update apt-get upgrade restart take snapshot edit /etc/sources.list apt-get install devuan-keyring apt-get dist-upgrade roundcube has dependencies on th LAMP stack and shouldn’t be upgraded before it in the sequence. that’s all i’m saying. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2021, at 2:21 AM, Pontus Goffe via Dng wrote: Den 2021-02-22 kl. 02:25, skrev Curtis Maurand via Dng: Steps for the upgrade. 1. patch system to latest ascii patch level. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade 2. edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to change the ascii entries to beowulf and I commented out the source package entries. 3. apt-get install devuan-keyring (error, already installed) 4. apt-get update 5. apt-get dist-upgrade I think you are supposed to have a 4b, "apt-get upgrade" in between. //PG ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distribution upgrade issue
On 2/21/21 6:17 PM, Antony Stone wrote: On Sunday 21 February 2021 at 23:33:39, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: I found an issue with a distribution upgrade from ascii to beowulf. Please give at least an outline of how you performed that upgrade? This machine is running as kvm guest. It is Devuan Ascii. The only thing running on this machine that is not out of the box devuan is Rainloop. Rainloop is a webmail application that runs on a website, so not an issue and not involved. It uses PHP and is happy with anything 5.6 or higher. Except for that his server is running out of the box packages from deb.devuan.org. The machine has a full LAMP Stack on it. It is running ispconfig (https://ispconfig.org), but that's an app that runs on apache. It configs web and mail accounts. It has about 20 websites running on it. I previously got this upgrade to run on a different copy of this particular virtual machine, but changes had been made since a november snapshot. It also has postfix, amavisd-new, spamassassin, clamav, fuzzyocr and other tools related to taking apart mail messages, scanning them and putting them back together. It's a workhorse and I'm so glad that I ditched systemd and all the trouble that it brings. This very well could be a Debian issue. I will need to install a like debian machine of the appropriate version and upgrade it to see what happens. Steps for the upgrade. 1. patch system to latest ascii patch level. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade 2. edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to change the ascii entries to beowulf and I commented out the source package entries. 3. apt-get install devuan-keyring (error, already installed) 4. apt-get update 5. apt-get dist-upgrade First error almost immediate is that perl's net::SNMP is missing from my system and it's part of getting amavis to stop. I believe that the install script is trying to call amavis-snmp-agent to stop it, but I'm not using that, so hence the error. I started aptitude, found the package and installed it and issued apt-get --fix-broken install and moved on. Amavis again bombed on a permissions problem involving ownership of it's lock files and died. I couldn't stop amavis (service stop amavis) for the same error. I killed amavis manually. I deleted the lock and pid files in /var/run/amavis/ folder. apt-get --fix-broken install and continued on. Then the roundcube upgrade failed due to mysql not running. I did not stop it. I ignored the error and continued. Then mysql/maraidb got upgraded Then apache got upgraded Roundcube has dependencies upon the LAMP stack. It seems logical that the Roundcube upgrade would follow the LAMP stack upgrade since it's a php application. I don't know where or how the order of these things gets set, that's why I'm bringing it up, here. I'm not a developer. I'm just trying to report problems that I ran into. I am not complaining. These are not deal breakers or things that can't be fixed afterwards dpkg --configure roundcube for instance. They are just a nuisance. I found out about the perl thing while testing. not hard. While upgrading ascii, install libnet-snmp-perl. then the install skips right past it. Thanks for your help. Curtis During the upgrade mysql is stopped. later in the process the upgrade to roundcube is attempted. When that happens, the script can't make the mysql connection because mysql is not running. I had to go get the upgrade script from roundcube to update it's database manually. The roundcube upgrade should happen after the mysql/mariadb upgrade and mysql should be running. I find it somewhat hard to believe that this is a Devuan (rather than Debian) problem. Can you identify: 1. whether any of the packages involved in the upgrade have been forked by Devuan 2. whether a Debian Stretch system running the same applications upgrades to Buster without the same problems 3. which repositories you are fetching the various packages from This may help to identify whether: a) Devuan is causing the problems you experienced b) the same would have happened under Debian c) the problems are caused by some mismatch of package versions which can't be handled by a routine upgrade Regards, Antony. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distribution upgrade issue
Hello all, Thank you for the great work that you do. I found an issue with a distribution upgrade from ascii to beowulf. This server has a lot going on, but it is a web and mail server with a webmail system on it. It runs Postfix, Amavisd-new, Spamassassin and a lot of other things. the webmail system uses roundcube. During the upgrade mysql is stopped. later in the process the upgrade to roundcube is attempted. When that happens, the script can't make the mysql connection because mysql is not running. Ok, so I started mysql and do the retry on roundcube and skep the questions, because before I started, roundcube was working. So the update connects to roundcube and lo it cannot do the upgrade because the upgrade to mysql has to happen first. I had to go get the upgrade script from roundcube to update it's database manually. The roundcube upgrade should happen after the mysql/mariadb upgrade and mysql should be running. During the amavis upgrade, amavis runs into a permissions problem it will not recover from involving it's lock files. I had to remove the lock files and continued with apt-get --fix-broken install to continue. I think amavis needs to be stopped first. Also the amavis upgrade fails if perls net::SNMP is not installed. I've had to revert back to a previous snapshot due to a different error that is solvable, but involves partition resizing (no space left on device an a too small partition *sigh*). That's a different problem altogether. It's of my own making. :-) Thanks for your attention, Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need install Devuan Beowolf but got "initramfs" prompt
I was having the same trouble recently and it turned out to be attempting to run a beowulf guest on an ascii host. I am running kvm. Kernel version issues in the the version 4 kernel not seeming to like to run under a version 3 kernel I think. I spun up an experimental host running beowulf and imported a beowulf vm fro the current host and imported it. It spun right up with no issues. I did not have to make any changes. info for the list if it’s not your issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adrian Zaugg (devuan@mailgurgler.com): > >> It is difficult to help, if you don't write what you exactly donwloaded, >> how you tried to install, on what system etc. It is somehow like: "I ate >> somethin' for dinner and now I have stomach ache. Please help me!!!" – >> what would you answer? Reading that on a mailing list you probably would >> just ignore such a person ... > > I think someone should write an online essay called something like 'How > to Ask Questions the Smart Way', to help such folks. > > -- > Cheers, This limerick goes in reverse. If you start from the bottom-most > verse > Rick Moen Unless I'm remiss, This limerick's not any worse. > rick@linu The neat thing is this:-- Zach Weiner > xmafia.com McQ! > (4x80) > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names
because system bios is running a version of embedded linux and it dynamically populates things at boot up. the only immutable bit is the interface’s mac. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2020, at 8:24 AM, tito via Dng wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:40:58 +0100 > Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 24/12/2020 à 00:24, Antony Stone a écrit : Or maybe the kernel is much faster than Eudev and it has the time to create the interfaces faster than Eudev processes them. >>> That sounds likely. >>> But for sure the mechanism worked in the past. >>> I completely agree. >>> >>> As I said in my opening posting on the "Ethernet names revisited" >>> thread: >>> >>> | I'm trying to work out how to give those interfaces the names I >>> want; the | motherboard as eth0, and the PCI card as eth1 / eth2. >>> | >>> | Historically, I've been used to udev >>> and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent- | net.rules doing this, where >>> I can specify the name I want for each interface | according to its >>> MAC address. >>> >>> By "historically" I meant "up to Jessie, and I think also Stretch / >>> Ascii". It's not doing the same in Buster / Beowulf. >> >> Maybe the kernel used to give a chance to udev to rename the >> interfaces and, for some reason, it stopped doing it. And the reason >> might be there's no point given the new fashion of naming the >> interfaces with complicated names. >> >> It remains possible to do what you want by the mean of a temporary >> name and permutations, or by the method of Tito which uses several >> temporary names, but is generic. But I agree it is irritating to not >> be able to use Udev since it's sitting there anyway. >> >> > Hi, > still I'm not satisfied by my approach as there are a few shortcomings > that I can think of: > > 1) if2mac does rename in the first pass only the interfaces in > if2mac.conf so if there are other interfaces or if they are added > later name collisions are still possible in the second pass. > A workaround could be to rename all existing interfaces but this > could leave some interfaces not included in the config file > half-renamed in the end or you need to rename them back to > the original name in a third pass (if the name is still available, > otherwise you need to find a arbitrary new one). > Still don't know how to handle this in a simple and clean way. > 2) I suspect that if you rmmod and insmod the nic's or wlan's > module the old names will be assigned by udev/eudev so some > kind of interaction with udev is still needed. > 3) it would be optimal to make it accept a config dir that can hold > multiple config files so that you can name some nics WAN* > some others LAN* and others OPT* but this would add even more > complexity. > > in the end it would be best to fix udev/eudev and let it handle it > like it did before. > A workaround could be to use names that differ totally from the > old and the "*** predictable names" like (LAN1, OPT1, WIFI1) > but changing of all configs is needed and this was what I wanted > to avoid when I started this attempt. > As we have 4 days of lockdown there is plenty time to think about it > > Ciao, > Tito > > BTW: I noticed during my test that even pci bus numbers can > change wildly in the predictable names case (vs MACS, > if I recall it correctly). > I thought that being tied to soldered sockets on the motherboard > they were immutable. Are they numbered on a first come > first served basis? or where is my error? > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Clarification please
my vote is for pdns-recursor. i’ve been using it for all sorts of different types of networks since version 1.n days. it can handle thousands of queries per second. it’s the first thing i install on any new system. coupled with dns-dist, it can handle recursive dns-over-https queries as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Michael Neuffer wrote: > > > >> On 10/29/20 5:53 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: >>> On 29/10/2020 13:44, Michael Neuffer wrote: >>> On 10/29/20 2:27 PM, d...@d404.nl wrote: >> --snip-- To ease the maintenance of those servers i intend to migrate them to docker containers. I wonder people on this list have experience on this subject? >>> >>> >>> You might want to take a look at this project: >>> >>> https://github.com/mailserver2/mailserver >> Please correct me if I am mistaken, I thought 'unbound' was tied to 'systemd >> creep' nowadays and have been avoiding it for that reason alone. >> I want to avoid creating a dependency on something I don't already have only >> to need to purge it next year ... > > If you can provide them with a better option, PLEASE go ahead and help out. > My impression of the people working on this was that they are not exactly > fans of systemd either. > > Cheers > Mike > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminology
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Luciano Mannucci > wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:52:55 -0400 > fsmithred via Dng wrote: > >> I was told that everything in linux is a file, even your hardware. > No,no, this is plan9... > it’s been fun reading this thread. in plan9 everything is an object. that’s a little different. OS/2 was that way. In linux everything is a file. directories are a type of file “find -type d,” for example. when you program, everything is a file. you open it , you read from it or you write to it. you flush the buffer and you close it. even on windows. object oriented os’s are different. I’ve been working with linux (and BSD and Windows - all flavors since 3.0 and Novell Netware and DOS and OS/2. i even got to play with xenix, sco and aix a bit, too.) since the middle 90’s. mkdir=make directory and rmdir=remove directory (DOS md and rd) try rmdir on a directory that has something in it and you’ll get a complaint that the “directory” is not empty. then what’s in the directory? another directory? perhaps, but maybe a file. on windows they’re folders. mac is based on bsd unix. at the command line they’re directories. in the gui, they’re folders. i guess it’s that way for them all. folders in the gui, directories at the command line. my question would be how to differentiate directory servers (LDAP/AD (AD is LDAP+)). from directories. they also get referred to as directories. this is why windows changed to file folders on its nomenclature. windows command line tools still refer to folders as directories. mkdir and rmdir still exist on the windows system. and although no one cares OS/2 used directory/file —Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS
I just mounted up an NTFS mount on my Ascii desktop. It loaded up
fairly quickly. Any other operation such as opening a folder with a lot
of entries took a very long time. This is on a Seagate Baracuda 1TB
plugged into a generic drive dock and connected by USB 3.0.
I would say that the NTFS driver is not a speedy thing. You might try
the noatime option and see if that speeds things up.
--Curtis
On 8/7/20 4:01 PM, Haines Brown wrote:
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 06:34:04PM +0100, g4sra wrote:
Check your logs for USB Bus resets, any device on the USB bus can
cause these which will add seconds for every occurrence (a USB TV
stick can make a backup crawl).
Nothing in logs. But I don't unserstand this DBus syslog message that
comes up every second or so:
Aug 7 09:29:26 engels brltty[720]: DBus error: send message:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not
provided by any .service file
Post your backup script for others to look over.
#!/bin/bash
a="="
b="Start: "
c=$(date)
mount /mnt/backup &
find /mnt/backup/20* -maxdepth 0 -type d | sort -n | head -n 1 | xargs rm -rfv
sleep 3s
dirName=`date +%Y.%m.%d`
mkdir /mnt/backup/"$dirName"
find / -print | egrep "^/mnt^/var^/mail|^/home|^/etc|^/opt|^/storage|^/info|^/usr/local" | cpio
-pdmuv /mnt/backup/"$dirName" 2>&1 | cat -vT
d="End:"
e=$(date +%H:%M:%S)
f="Disk used: "
g=`df /mnt/backup | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $5}'`
printf "$a \n $b $c \n $d $e \n $f %s\n" "$g" >> /home/haines/.backup.log
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Re: [DNG] "Free" email accounts: was Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem
I'm happy to sell you a domain name with email. hit me up offlist. --Curtis On 7/24/20 11:24 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Even better than tweaking Juno, for a tiny $15.00/year, buy a real domain name. Almost all domain registrars offer at least one email address with a functional, no-advertising email account. For a nickel a day you can have an email address that makes you look competent and professional, and doesn't inconvenience recipients with ads, and generally subjects recipients to less dkim/dmarc hassles. Hey, I'm a frugal guy, some say I'm downright cheap, but giving up one small Starbucks coffee *per month* more than pays for a domain with email. SteveT On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:08:10 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: It is possible to opt out of that on Juno. You'll have to dig down to find it though and every so often, they will try to turn it back on. Very sneaky . . . On 2020-07-24 08:21, Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote: Sorry I don't have anything helpful regarding orca, but that looks like an advertisement in your signature. Are advertisements in signatures allowed in this list? I think advertisements of any sort should be banned from this list. I don't read (and occasionally participate on) this list to be advertised a news source. I have enough people vying for my attention already, this list should be free from that kind of stuff. Gabe On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 19:04 -0700, David Hoff Jr wrote: I have install Beowulf to a 32 bit Acer netbook using the text installer with speech. I have speech in the text console but no speech with Orca in the GUI desktop including the login screen. In the GUI Desktop terminal I can bring up the Orca preferences with Orca -r -s and find that in the second tab page there is nothing in the Voice type, Speech System or Speech synthasizer boxes. Any suggestions how to fix this. I do have other sounds, just no speech from Orca. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Best Regards Curtis Maurand mailto:cur...@maurand.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] net-install troubles [SOLVED]
wow. can't type. the installer ddn't work when the iso was loaded via grub and not the root filesystem on the device. July 1 2020 10:02 PM, "Curtis Maurand via Dng" wrote: Turns out tha the trouble was because i was trying to run the install from a muli-boot usb stick. found another smaller usb stick and dd’d the image to the stick. the install was then successfull. the installer didn’t work whe the is was loaded from grub on the stick. could be a feature or a bug. :-) it is amd64. the install is complete. thanks for your help. —Curtis mailto:cur...@maurand.com (mailto:mailto:cur...@maurand.com) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: The non-free firmware is here: http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb (http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb) On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:31 AM Hendrik Boom wrote:On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +0000, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running devuan > ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the product. My > system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull associated > with Ubuntu. > > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that > does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. > > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful > > first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device and > asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It look > for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the network for > the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and configures. > > It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work OK. Sorry. I don't know where to get the nonfree firmware if it isn't on your installation media. Perhaps you are installing in a mode that refuses nonfree anything? I believe there's an option in the installer to allow nonfree firmware. That's an option the Free Software Foundation complains about and refuses to consider Debian and Devuan to be truly free. See if you can find that option. > > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and > filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set > the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of > "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the > two that i need. Maybe a workaround? Are you planning to install the new system on those Ext4, BTRFS partitions? Or are you going to install it on new partitions and have the eventual installed system use those partitions? If the latter, you could install a minimal system on the partitions it will let you use, and then afterward add the others to the /etc/fstab file. This whole situation puzzles me; I have never had to do this on a new install. I have done things like this on my server, which has had no new installation of Debian/Devuan for over a decade. Create new partitions for new file systems, copy the entire system over, adjust critical files (like /etc/fstab) in the copied system, boot into it and then upgrade. I go through this charade to make sure I have a fallback in case the upgrade fails (it has once -- ran out of disk space in /usr) but it also works when I want to change file systems. But I've never had it on a new install. -- hendrik > > At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The > net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? > > Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a couple > of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. > > Thanks in advance > Curtis > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org (mailto:Dng@lists.dyne.org) > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org (mailto:Dng@lists.dyne.org) https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org (mailto:Dng@lists.dyne.org) https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] net-install troubles [SOLVED]
Turns out tha the trouble was because i was trying to run the install from a muli-boot usb stick. found another smaller usb stick and dd’d the image to the stick. the install was then successfull. the installer didn’t work whe the is was loaded from grub on the stick. could be a feature or a bug. :-) it is amd64. the install is complete. thanks for your help. —Curtis mailto:cur...@maurand.com Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: > > > The non-free firmware is here: > > http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20190114-2_all.deb > >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:31 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:20:19PM +, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running >> > devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the >> > product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull >> > associated with Ubuntu. >> > >> > I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that >> > does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. >> > >> > Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful >> > >> > first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device >> > and asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It >> > look for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the >> > network for the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and >> > configures. >> > >> > It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work >> > OK. >> >> Sorry. I don't know where to get the nonfree firmware if it isn't on >> your installation media. Perhaps you are installing in a mode that >> refuses nonfree anything? I believe there's an option in the installer >> to allow nonfree firmware. That's an option the Free Software >> Foundation complains about and refuses to consider Debian and Devuan to >> be truly free. >> >> See if you can find that option. >> >> > >> > When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and >> > filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set >> > the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of >> > "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the >> > two that i need. >> >> Maybe a workaround? >> >> Are you planning to install the new system on those Ext4, BTRFS >> partitions? >> >> Or are you going to install it on new partitions and have the eventual >> installed system use those partitions? >> >> If the latter, you could install a minimal system on the partitions it >> will let you use, and then afterward add the others to the /etc/fstab >> file. >> >> This whole situation puzzles me; I have never had to do this on a new >> install. >> >> I have done things like this on my server, which has had no new >> installation of Debian/Devuan for over a decade. Create new partitions >> for new file systems, copy the entire system over, adjust critical files >> (like /etc/fstab) in the copied system, boot into it and then upgrade. >> I go through this charade to make sure I have a fallback in case the >> upgrade fails (it has once -- ran out of disk space in /usr) but it also >> works when I want to change file systems. >> >> But I've never had it on a new install. >> >> -- hendrik >> >> > >> > At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The >> > net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? >> > >> > Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a >> > couple of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > Curtis >> >> > ___ >> > Dng mailing list >> > Dng@lists.dyne.org >> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] net-install troubles
Hello, I'm new to the mailing list, but not new to devuan. I've been running devuan ascii in production for a couple of years. I really like the product. My system is so much more stable without systemd and all the bull associated with Ubuntu. I've been trying to use the net-install from a USB stick on a system that does not have a CD-ROM attacted. It has been a failure. Here are the troubles. If any of you have work arounds, I'd be grateful first it complains about needing a non-free firmware for the wifi device and asks for a a non-existant CD. It keeps asking and I keep saying no. It look for the ISO that is loaded from the USB stick or go out to the network for the firmware since it asks again after the network loads and configures. It asks for a realtek driver for the realtek nic's but they seem to work OK. When partitioning the disk, It sees the exisiting partitions and filesystems that are there (Ext4, BTRFS and SWAP). When I go to set the mount point and whether to use the partition I get the choice of "Do not use," Ext2, Fat16, and Fat32. No Ext4 or BTRFS which are the two that i need. At this point, I have to give up. I'm about to try the Desktop-Live. The net-install should work and have drivers for Ext4 at least, right? Should I install ascii and then do a dist-upgrade? I've done that to a couple of very lightweight systems (DNS servers) successfully. Thanks in advance Curtis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
