Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022, Andreas Messer wrote: > > Created a new partition 1 of type 'Linux' and of size 27.5 GiB. > > You shouldn't do that. Although its possible to "partition" SD-Cards, > this is not recommended. This is since SD-Cards have some kind of > knowledge about "how FATFS works" to optimize the write cycles. This > won't work if the card is partitioned. Bit wierd that X-gazillion Raspberry Pi's out there are expected to work with partitioned SD cards. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ntp setup
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Steve Litt wrote: > Rick Moen said on Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:51:35 -0700 > > >Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): > > > >> I think it's fair to point out that systemd-timesyncd only promises > >> Simple NTP (SNTP). How good a job it does of that is another matter > >> but at least it explains some of the "quirks" you mention below. > > [snip] > > >Or, to put it a different way, with several excellent genuine NTP > >clients to choose among, I deny the existence of a compelling use-case > >for any SNTP client, > > I use openntpd. Is that NTP, or only SNTP? What are some full NTP time > systems for Linux? See https://www.pool.ntp.org/en/ > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Read this: > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > Yes read it. Qt adding support for ADS. Any Open Source KDE/Qt program that did that would have the code that did it removed by debian straight away - I'm pretty sure. So will devuan see any crud? If you use closed source software you are on you own - caveat emptor etc. So why the fuss? > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > the deprecated LXDE. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Problem Updating firmware for Raspiberry Pi 4
Hi, I've just attempted to update the firmware on my Raspberry Pi4 I installed Beowulf Lite 64 bit for the Pi4 back in May this year and have just attempted to update the firmware ... # apt-get install raspi-firmware Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: raspi-firmware 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 29 not upgraded. Need to get 4514 kB of archives. After this operation, 22.2 MB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports/non-free arm64 raspi-firmware arm64 1.20210303+ds-2~bpo10+1 [4514 kB] Fetched 4514 kB in 2s (2846 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package raspi-firmware. (Reading database ... 58859 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../raspi-firmware_1.20210303+ds-2~bpo10+1_arm64.deb ... Unpacking raspi-firmware (1.20210303+ds-2~bpo10+1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/raspi-firmware_1.20210303+ds-2~bpo10+1_arm64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43430-sdio.txt', which is also in package firmware-brcm80211 1:20190114-1+rpt11 dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/raspi-firmware_1.20210303+ds-2~bpo10+1_arm64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Anybody any ideas how I get the latest firmware, or where/who else is better to ask? cheers Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Starting outline for the DNG Safe Programmer Certificate
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Steve Litt wrote: > idea, although one screenfull sounds a little too short for prose, to "one screenfull" what's that. When I started interactive programming it was on an teletype with continuous scroll of paper - you tended to print one or teo lines at a time - just t6o save time! Then 24 (or 25) lines of 80 cols for alot of terminals. I always chaffed at the restriction of the number of lines of those screens, but I've always taken 80 cols os a sensible line length. Nowadays I have xtemrs set to be aprox 40 x 80. But lots of people I've worked with have one terminal screen filling the whole screen - with _far_ too much on the screen to digest sensibly. So what size is a screenfull? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
Ralph many thanks for that info. Very usefull. I hadn't found it in my searches. Jim On Thu, 1 Jul 2021, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > I would advice you to use > https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html > for manual recovery of packages. This provides links for downloading > the deb files, and it also presents all the meta information for > following up all dependencies. > > Ralph. > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:18:31 +0100 (BST) > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the various comments on my problem ... > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > My Beowulf amd64 system hard drive crashed, and after I'd restored > > > my backup I've had problems with apt-get etc. > > > > > > apt-cache: relocation error: > > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol > > > _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev > > > version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link > > > time reference > > > > > > I use rsync for backups, but without the -X -A options, so extended > > > attributes and ACLs are lost, don't know if that's the reason. If I > > > need to reinstall libapt-pkg5.0 package, does anybody know if it's > > > ok to just to use the debian package file? > > > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 > > > package file? > > > > I was a bit scared that the devuan packages might not be the debian > > buster ones. Anyway I bit the bullet and downloaded the debian > > apt_1.8.2.3_amd64.deb package and installed with dpkg -i and cross my > > fingers :-) > > > > Anyway apt and apt-get are back. > > > > Jim > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
Hi all, Thanks for the various comments on my problem ... On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Jim Jackson wrote: > Hi all, > > My Beowulf amd64 system hard drive crashed, and after I'd restored my > backup I've had problems with apt-get etc. > > apt-cache: relocation error: > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol > _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev > version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time > reference > > I use rsync for backups, but without the -X -A options, so extended > attributes and ACLs are lost, don't know if that's the reason. If I need to > reinstall libapt-pkg5.0 package, does anybody know if it's ok to just to > use the debian package file? > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package > file? I was a bit scared that the devuan packages might not be the debian buster ones. Anyway I bit the bullet and downloaded the debian apt_1.8.2.3_amd64.deb package and installed with dpkg -i and cross my fingers :-) Anyway apt and apt-get are back. Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021, terryc wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 09:46:02 +0100 (BST) > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Jun 2021, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 23:12:28 +0100 (BST), Jim wrote in message > > > : > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, tempforever wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, ael wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 01:11:20PM +0100, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 > > > > > package file? > > > > > > ..try "aptitude update & download libapt-pkg5.0 \ > > > & |grep libapt-pkg ". > > > > > > > I don't have aptitude installed :-( > > Err try sudo "apt-get install aptitude" Err... that's the problem with quoting the original problem :-) # apt-get apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference # apt apt: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference After a restore of a backup with saving capabilities or extended attributes apt and apt-get are not functioning. Which is where I came in > FWIW, I "aptitude search stuff" all the time, because it is the easiest > search phrase to rember. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 23:12:28 +0100 (BST), Jim wrote in message > : > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, tempforever wrote: > > > > > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, ael wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 01:11:20PM +0100, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 > > > package file? > > ..try "aptitude update & download libapt-pkg5.0 \ > & |grep libapt-pkg ". > I don't have aptitude installed :-( ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, tempforever wrote: > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, ael wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 01:11:20PM +0100, Jim Jackson wrote: > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package > file? > > # apt-file search libapt-private.so.0.0 > apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0 > apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0 > > $ dpkg -L apt |grep libapt-private > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0 > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0 > > So presumably in apt. > > sorry but I was asking where the devuan deb file for the libapt-pkg5.0 was. > > perhaps here? > https://packages.debian.org/en/buster/amd64/libapt-pkg5.0/download Many thanks. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk... (fwd)
Sorry Ludovic for finger trouble and replying to you personally. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 18:12:30 From: Jim Jackson To: Ludovic Belli?re Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk... On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Ludovic Belli?re via Dng wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Have you tried: > > apt-get download libapt-pkg5.0 :-) that's when I get the error message. > However libapt-private.so comes from the apt package, same as apt-cache. Your > system is probably borked and needs full reinstall. The kind of error you got > is > related to the ABI (yes, with a B), and means that you have a bunch of > software > that were compiled against a different version of the library. I actually doubt it. It a file for file restore of what was on the system partition of a working system. If you missed it I explained that my hard drive broke. > It also means that if apt is broken, other softwareq are likely broken Everything else seems to be working just fine. I did notice that after I'd put the files back non-root users couldn't use ping. That was because my rsync backup didn't use the -X options for extended attributes. I googled the magic setcap invocation and that was fixed. > too which warrant, as I said, a full reinstall of your system. This isn't windows, thank diety-of-choice :-) Jim > Cheers, > Ludovic > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > My Beowulf amd64 system hard drive crashed, and after I'd restored my > > backup I've had problems with apt-get etc. > > > > apt-cache: relocation error: > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol > > _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev > > version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time > > reference > > > > I use rsync for backups, but without the -X -A options, so extended > > attributes and ACLs are lost, don't know if that's the reason. If I need to > > reinstall libapt-pkg5.0 package, does anybody know if it's ok to just to > > use the debian package file? > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package > > file? > > > > cheers > > Jim > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Ludovic Belli?re via Dng wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Have you tried: > > apt-get download libapt-pkg5.0 :-) that's when I get the error message. > However libapt-private.so comes from the apt package, same as apt-cache. Your > system is probably borked and needs full reinstall. The kind of error you got > is > related to the ABI (yes, with a B), and means that you have a bunch of > software > that were compiled against a different version of the library. I actually doubt it. It a file for file restore of what was on the system partition of a working system. If you missed it I explained that my hard drive broke. > It also means that if apt is broken, other softwareq are likely broken Everything else seems to be working just fine. I did notice that after I'd put the files back non-root users couldn't use ping. That was because my rsync backup didn't use the -X options for extended attributes. I googled the magic setcap invocation and that was fixed. > too which warrant, as I said, a full reinstall of your system. This isn't windows, thank diety-of-choice :-) Jim > Cheers, > Ludovic > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > My Beowulf amd64 system hard drive crashed, and after I'd restored my > > backup I've had problems with apt-get etc. > > > > apt-cache: relocation error: > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol > > _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev > > version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time > > reference > > > > I use rsync for backups, but without the -X -A options, so extended > > attributes and ACLs are lost, don't know if that's the reason. If I need to > > reinstall libapt-pkg5.0 package, does anybody know if it's ok to just to > > use the debian package file? > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package > > file? > > > > cheers > > Jim > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, ael wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 01:11:20PM +0100, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package > > file? > > # apt-file search libapt-private.so.0.0 > apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0 > apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0 > > $ dpkg -L apt |grep libapt-private > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0 > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0 > > So presumably in apt. sorry but I was asking where the devuan deb file for the libapt-pkg5.0 was. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] problem with apt after restore after crashed disk...
Hi all, My Beowulf amd64 system hard drive crashed, and after I'd restored my backup I've had problems with apt-get etc. apt-cache: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference I use rsync for backups, but without the -X -A options, so extended attributes and ACLs are lost, don't know if that's the reason. If I need to reinstall libapt-pkg5.0 package, does anybody know if it's ok to just to use the debian package file? If not, can anyone tell where I can get the devuan libapt-pkg5.0 package file? cheers Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Netiquette
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:53:58 + (GMT) > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > for the record alpine is broken in that area. As far as I can make > > out it just uses the subject line to "thread" emails (modulo the > > various "re:"s etc) > > > It's a while ago that I used (al)pine (in fact, it was still pine back > then, IIRC in combination with fetchmail). Nevertheless, I'd bet that > you can make alpine sort threads by the "References" header. Just out > of curiosity, I did a quick websearch and found the following document: > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/doc/alpine-doc/tech-notes/config.html#show-sort well well well. Many thanks for that. And I thought I knew my way around alpine :-( As they say: Familiarity breeds contempt! > > libre Gr??e, > Florian > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Netiquette
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting g4sra via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > > What is the netiquette on this list for changing subject lines. > > I hate hijacking threads but I also hate breaking them. > > Which is the lesser of the two evils ? > > Standards-compliant mailers' threading doesn't get broken by altering > the Subject header. (Last I heard, MS-Outlook still didn't follow > the RFCs in that area, and thus gets adversely affected. Probably, > some other common mailers share that defect.) for the record alpine is broken in that area. As far as I can make out it just uses the subject line to "thread" emails (modulo the various "re:"s etc) Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie to Ascii upgrade
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Patrick Bartek via Dng wrote: > > I'll second that - doing exactly the same - openbox and lxpanel, not > > even a filemanager. > > I do run a little file manager -- xfe. Lightweight. Make things so > much easier. I'd dread having to use the commandline instead. :) Comes > with text editor, image viewer and package manager. Sorry, I've never got on with file managers, either gui or text based (e.g. mc). They seem so slow to get things done. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie to Ascii upgrade
> > Some question(s) on that. > > It would seem that gnome is important to Beowulf - - -yes? > > I have been running light weight desktops like LXMT (I think it was) > > and now LXQT > > after I found the KDE was just too weighty. > > So I'll start with that one question - - - - does Beowulf mean that I > > need to run Gnome? > > No. I'm running a custom installed Beowulf (started with a basic > terminal system) with just a window manager (Openbox) and a single > panel with menu (LXPanel). Works just fine. Lightweight, too. > I'll second that - doing exactly the same - openbox and lxpanel, not even a filemanager. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom via Firefox
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020, ael wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:10:18AM +0000, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > Firefox sound works for showing videos etc. I have set mixer values so that > > I can record > > > > arecord -vvv -f dat -d 4 /tmp/a.wav > > > > and it plays back. So speakers and microphone working. > > > > I want to run Zoom via Firefox (not via external app), sound only - I > > don't > > Just use apulse? Works here with firefox/zoom and no pulseaudio... > Given that firefox works without pulseaudio I don't see the need for apulse - but I will give it a try ... Just tried it. Behaviour is exactly the same. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Zoom via Firefox
Hi, I'm on Devuan Beowulf, running lightdm, openbox and lxpanel. I don't run pulseaudio, I just use ALSA for sound. Firefox sound works for showing videos etc. I have set mixer values so that I can record arecord -vvv -f dat -d 4 /tmp/a.wav and it plays back. So speakers and microphone working. I want to run Zoom via Firefox (not via external app), sound only - I don't have a webcam. I join the zoom meeting, click allow firefox access to mic., and am in the meeting, except no sound and no one can hear me. There are also no images within the Zoom session. If I start a new tab in firefox I can view a youtube video with sound just fine. But nothing from the Zoom tab. Anyone any ideas? I have done some googling but not discovered how to eliminate the 1001 pointers to fixing sound in windows etc. cheers jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..devuan to the rescue? Easiest possible newbie email server setup, ideas?
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 24/09/2020 07:30, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > > > > in my opinion a home connection server smtp+imap/pop will not be very > > usable. most rbl's block dynamic addresses so you won't be able to > > deliver much... > > In some areas (e.g. the UK), the better ISPs provide static IPs so this > issue is bypassed. Mostly. Somemail servers do a reverse IP lookup and see if it matches your envelope From domain. ntlworld.com and the big german mail provider gmx.com both refuse to accept email from my server - UK based with ISP provded fixed IP. It's pain, but I resort to my gmail account for mail to these. I use sendmail, so I suppose I could use some magic to reroute such traffic. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: mpv drops GNOME support
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 7/8/20 9:57 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > https://linuxreviews.org/Mpv_drops_GNOME_support > > > > the change was reverted, few hours later. > (just read commit comments.. ) what? No spoiler alert? Actually, all they did was allow mpv to run on gnome - but if you report a problem on the mpv running on gnome, you will get no support from the mpv devs - so the subject is correct. Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] OT: mpv drops GNOME support
https://linuxreviews.org/Mpv_drops_GNOME_support ... am I the only one to see similarities with the systemd situation? And both out of the same stable! Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query
Forget it - you have Thank you. On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:58:48 -0400 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > Doesn't systemd require a merged /usr partition? It sounds as if a > > > systemd-ism has crept into our boot process. > > > > > > Fortunately I haven't upgraded my server to beowulf yet. > > > > > > -- hendrik > > > > Void Linux also symlinks all the various *bin directories together, > > even though it's a runit distro. My objection is this merge forces you > > to have an initramfs. > > Ok, maybe I've been asleep at the back - but can you explain why, and in > what circumstances? > > Jim-being-a-bit-slow > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:58:48 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Doesn't systemd require a merged /usr partition? It sounds as if a > > systemd-ism has crept into our boot process. > > > > Fortunately I haven't upgraded my server to beowulf yet. > > > > -- hendrik > > Void Linux also symlinks all the various *bin directories together, > even though it's a runit distro. My objection is this merge forces you > to have an initramfs. Ok, maybe I've been asleep at the back - but can you explain why, and in what circumstances? Jim-being-a-bit-slow ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] repository status problem?
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Hi > > I am using Beowulf coming as upgrade from ASCII, with my sources.list pointing > to (using codenames): > > deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main > > After Beowulf has become stable, I can't update anymore doing > > $ sudo apt-get update > > which outputs an error about > "http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease" > has changed "Suite" from "testing" to "stable" N: > This should be accepted before obtaining updates... > > I suppose either there is something wrong or missing in the repositories, or > that we have to wait for the changes to propagate. > > How to behave? Yeah, I got the same... Some googling indicated that this sort of problem might be solved by doing an apt update It gives a problem report and asks if you want to continue. Say "yes" and afterwards all seems ok - even with apt-get cheers Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] beowulf-stable-announce 404
On the devuan welcome page it says the current stable release is Beowulf 3.0.0 with a link to https://devuan.org/os/announce/beowulf-stable-announce which takes you to a 404! Do we have a problem? Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf, and Apparmor's effect on bind9
> > > Any recommendations for a better panel? > > If you weren't on the list about 6 months ago, there was some > wonderfully enlightening discussion about de's and wm's that long ago > or more. I can find the exact dates if you want so you can find it in > the archives. Ah now you say that, it rings bells. I'll check it out. Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf, and Apparmor's effect on bind9
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Where does LXQt keep ist panel config? > ~/.config/lxqt/panel.conf Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf, and Apparmor's effect on bind9
Generally, why does apparmor get installed on a dist-upgrade, when it wasn't there initially? It isn't as if it's a new "thing". I got it on my ascii -> beowulf upgrade, and removed it. My desktop was LXQt and the upgrade ignored some customisations. Among other minor iritants the LXQt-panel designers decided to change the clock widget and gave it a new name, FFS, and so the old "clock" disappeared but it's replacement was missing from the config. Nothing to indicate that it is now "worldclock", until one googled and hand edited the panel config! If Linus was as cavalier in his developemnt approach Linux would never have been taken up as it has. Why is it the shiny-blingy stuff is so crap? Any recommendations for a better panel? Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working
[gets reply recipient right this time, sorry for the personal email last time Rick] On Tue, 19 May 2020, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > You did, of course, say _unique_ partition labels, which avoids that > gentleman's quite perplexing problem. The uniqueness problem is easier to manage when it's just me and my partner! And any consequences affect just the two of us. I wouldn't have dared suggest such things when I worked :-) Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > (I do detachable backups to external USB hard drives, and make a point of > doing 'dmesg | tail' before mounting, to make sure it really is > /dev/sdc1 this time.) My detachable backups devices have unique partitions labels and I place a specifically named file in the root of the partition. My backup scripts check for both and give up if they can't find both. THEN I do the dmesg thing :-) Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upto date copy of QGIS ...
Many thanks to you and Gastón for the info. Very useful. Installing version 3 on ascii didn't work as you predicted. So update time. All the best and sorry for top posting. Jim On Wed, 6 May 2020, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Tue, 5 May 2020 22:32:34 +0100 (BST) - Jim Jackson : > > > Hi, I'm seeking advice. > > I need a more upto date version of QGIS, geographical information system, > > than is in ASCII - I need a version 3. > > > > On the QGIS downloads site ... > > > > https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#linux > > > > It gives info for adding to sources.list for debian/ubuntu systems. Is > > there any chance any of those given would work with Devuan? > > Sure: > > debian buster -> devuan beowulf > debian jessie -> devuan ascii > > Looking at: > https://qgis.org/debian-ltr/pool/main/q/qgis/ > seems the LTR qgis versions are: version 2 for jessie/ascii, version 3 for > buster/beowulf... > > Adding to your sources.list: > ~~~ > deb https://qgis.org/debian buster main > deb-src https://qgis.org/debian buster main > ~~~ > you could try to install qgis version 3 on ascii, but I dubt you will succeed > because of dependencies... > > Maybe you need to "risk" upgrading to beowulf... > I dit it a couple of weeks ago: success!!! I had just to manually fix some > minor details related to MATE new (buggy?) version... > > Regards > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > Public GPG/PGP key > ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Upto date copy of QGIS ...
Hi, I'm seeking advice. I need a more upto date version of QGIS, geographical information system, than is in ASCII - I need a version 3. On the QGIS downloads site ... https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#linux It gives info for adding to sources.list for debian/ubuntu systems. Is there any chance any of those given would work with Devuan? Does anyone know what version of QGIS is in Beowulf? I may "risk" an upgrade. cheers Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Hi all > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? You've had lots of comments, but nobody has asked you WHY you wish to change. What is wrong with MATE, for you? > > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css > + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a > de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" > in > configuration, personalization and use... > > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? > > Thanks in advance > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > Public GPG/PGP key > ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] you've got to smile ...
systemE A lightweight systemd replacement written in Emacs lisp https://github.com/a-schaefers/systemE ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] raspberry pi build - missing lines in /proc/cpuinfo
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019, s@po wrote: > For me, the Most valuable information is: > CPU implementer : 0x41 > CPU part: 0xc07 > > > CPU implementer : 0x41 > > In this case the Implementer is ARM Itself( so.. its a ARM stock design.. ), > even tough that the chip has its own name and company that produced it.. the > design is a ARM stock one( 0x41 is the ARM code ). > > > CPU part: 0xc07 > > which tells me that its a Cortex-A7 design.. For me on a raspberry pi the important information is Revision: a02082 The revision numbers are published for all the different models of RPI. From that GPIO software can determine the proper gpio address, whether it is an old 26 pins gpio model etc. Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > On 08.11.19 17:13, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > PS: Being Raspberry Pi specific, I do not know why Raspbian does not use > > F2FS, but that does not exclude Devuan from using it. > > There are some alternatives to F2FS like UBIFS and a few others. As it > is said thas FS that do wear levelling on their own infringe with the > firmware wear levelling of cards, it would be crucial to know if an SD > card has built in wear levelling or not to chose the right FS. Is there > a way to tell from software, i.e. using hdparm or so? AFAIK they all do. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, Simon Hobson wrote: > Ah yes, to think that many of us routinely carry around in our pockets > more storage, RAM, and CPU capacity than we could have dreamed of having > access to back when I got into IT. Cue obligatory Four Yorkshiremen > sketch :D > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k > > If you haven't seen this before, it's worth waiting for the punchline ... Very apropos ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Needless to state, although it seems, it is actually needed for some > people, the Raspberry Pi is not a full blown server, although it can > be used by the hobbyist adolescent who wants to experiment and learn. :-) Like everything, it depends. As long as you understand the limitations, work within those contraints and don't have unreasonable expectations it is amazing what can be done.(*) This 67 year adolescent runs 2 RPI household servers. One provides DNS, imap, smtp, dhcp, ntp, syslog and some limited nfs and web services for the household LAN machines. However, it does that from a USB attached harddrive and only boots off the SD card /boot partition, which is ordinarily read-only - no other partitions used. It currently has been up over 400 days. The other is a backup server. Raspberry PI's CAN be made to do all sorts - as can any of the other look-alike SBC's out there now. I am though about to upgrade to a Raspberry Pi 4B - the extra memory and USB/LAN throughput will be nice to have, especially for the backup server. Jim retired Sys & Network Admin (*) These pi's are a lot more powerfull than the Sun Sparc servers we had NFS serving user data to 60+ workstations back in the 00's :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] simple-netaid from scratch
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:01:53 +0100 > s@po wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 13:34:54 +0100 (BST) > > Jim Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > sizeof() is calculated by the compiler, not at run time. The code > > > generated would be the same. > > > > Hello Jim, > > Indeed it his, my point was only a observation, that if size is > > fixed, no need to calculate it at compile time, the preprocessor can > > solve that with a macro.. The code generated will be indeed the same. > > Only was a observation ;) > > I vote for leaving it as a function. > > What would be gained by making it a macro? A microsecond? What are the > bottlenecks of the software? Are keyboard or mouse input involved? > > If these sizeof() calls are deep in a tight nested loop, by all means > make them into a macro. Otherwise, why give up the simplicity of a > function for the sometimes edge case weirdness of a macro? I do wish people would read. Those sizeof()'s are not executable functions, they are calculated by the compiler at compile time into their fixed numbers and inserted into the code as fixed numbers, just as a macro would! There is no difference at runtime. The code generated would be identical. There is no execution penalty to using sizeof()! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] simple-netaid from scratch
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, s@po wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 08:31:49 + > aitor_czr wrote: > > Hello aitor, > > > > > Look at the "netstat.c" file again. I'm using > > > > status = fgets ( buffer, sizeof(buffer), fp ); > > > > instead :) > > > > Aitor. > > > > > > I understood that, from the beguining.. :) > You don't need the 'sizeof *buffer', since you have a fixed array size of 512 > bytes.. > And a byte, is a byte in 32 bits or 64 bits systems ;) > > Becasue of that, I suggested changing it to: > #define BUFFER_SIZE 512 > > and then: > status = fgets ( buffer, BUFFER_SIZE, fp ); > > It was only a sugestion ;) > Its not wrong, to use it( even tough you are heavilly relying on that unary > operator.. for a fixed array size, of n bytes.. ) > sizeof() is calculated by the compiler, not at run time. The code generated would be the same. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > After all what happened i cannot take Devuan seriously any longer. And I > absolutely do not want my systems depending on a distro with such a > uncertain future. I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux kernel email list, and watched the falling out and aggression there has been on there in the past? Linus's (and others) language!! Better not take linux seriously any longer :-) I'm happy to wait and see if the future is uncertain for Devuan - instead of guessing. cheers Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [SOLVED] Error building vdev in devuan beowulf
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, aitor_czr wrote: > > > Sorry for the typing and size changes throughout some of my emails, it happens > to me using thunderbird. I'll switch to clawsmail :) > > Aitor. Set thunderbird to text email NOT html. Any way I didn't see any "typing and size changes" as I use a text only mail client. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mailing list software
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jim Jackson (j...@franjam.org.uk): > > > Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? > > so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. > > Most-often mentioned alternative LDAs (local delivery agents) are > Maildrop, sieve[1], sortmail, and Dovecot LDA. (Me, I just persist in > using Procmail.) me too :-) but I was curious. I appears there is a dirth of alternatives. A lot of those I've seen mentioned are not LDAs. But then there I too noticed there does seem to be is a lot of confusion about email functionality generally as you mention... > The LWN.net article and comment thread (https://lwn.net/Articles/416901/) > covers some of this. > > Note: If you look on Wikipedia, there's some confusion between LDAs and > MDAs (mail delivery agents), things that do mail transport like IMAP and > POP3 to -fetch- the mail. And, actually, LWN's Jon Corbet makes the > same regrettable category error. (Damned kids. Get off my lawn, and > don't kick my SMTP mail spool. ;-> ) > > [1] A filtering language rather than a utility as such. Specific > implementations are catalogued here: http://sieve.info/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mailing list software
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > > It's probably a time that Procmail be retired, and thus anything based > > on it. There have been a lot of reports in recent years of serious, > > unsafe bugs in its processing. However, there is this comment about it > > from a former Procmail maintainer to consider: > > > > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports=141634350915839=2 > > Upon examination, it turns out that the known flaws in Procmail lack any > credible exploitation scenario. The matter was covered on LWN.net a few > years ago, and I'm pretty sure nothing has changed substantively. > > (I've gone through this discussion several times since then on mailing > lists, and can dredge up details from those if necessary.) Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. Jim ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > > I have already hit issues in Devuan that have been inherited from > > Debian. The initramfs\initrd should (and used to) do one thing and do it > > well. It is now so convolutely complex you can do away with the root > > filesystem altogether. > > At that point we could go that route consequently and introduce a > strict separation between an init-OS and an main-OS, maybe even move > to some container environment. That idea needs some deeper thoughts ... > I can't figure out whether you are being ironic/sarcastic here (with no smiley or similar). But I remember reading stuff by Pottering about that being exactly what systemd is meant to be! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Speak now, or forever hold your peace
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Thank you Olaf, > > $ logger -h > > Now to study what this is all about. man logger will give more information ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 08/21/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> I used devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3 from the embedded sets running > >> on the 3B+ > >> You do have to resize the root partition manually if you do not use > >> the space for another partition. I haven't checked the graphics or > >> anything but OpenSSH works fine. > > > > Ok Thanks. I'm thinking of upgrading the PI I've got on a Pi Display to a > > 3+ so I'll buy the pi and give it a go. > > > I just checked the graphics for Ascii. I'm not sure about the Pi > Display but it works fine with an HDMI monitor, at least with XFCE4. > Though probably a window manager alone would be more appropriate than a > full desktop environment. Sound works via HDMI as well. Bloated > graphical apps will max out the CPU though. Timezone needs to be set > manually. We will see what happens. I've only run the command line with the Pi display so far - on a RaspberryPi 2. But My grandson wants to do MineCraft, so upgrading to a Pi3+ seemed the sensible thing to do. All my other Pi's run headless. > > /Lars > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 8/20/18, Jim Jackson wrote: > > There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if > > these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and > > update the firmware and kernel before moving to the 3+? > > I used devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3 from the embedded sets running > on the 3B+ > You do have to resize the root partition manually if you do not use > the space for another partition. I haven't checked the graphics or > anything but OpenSSH works fine. Ok Thanks. I'm thinking of upgrading the PI I've got on a Pi Display to a 3+ so I'll buy the pi and give it a go. cheers Jim___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+
There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and update the firmware and kernel before moving to the 3+? cheers Jim Jackson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?
Dear Terry,
Oh dear, just because I have the same initials and first name :-(
It really is embarrasing.
I apologise for not editing properly I should have deleted an extra
attribution line in my reply, but like you I was/am hacked off with
Jimmy whatsits ramblings. I was accusing HIM of being a troll.
Apologies to the list to causing more wasted resources.
cheers
Jim Jackson
(not the other JJ - check my web site franjam.org.uk )
> OH fornication, its bck
> Who's trolling. Your count so far;
> 1. Provides no supporting evidence of its claims.
> 2. Claims extensive experience.
> 3. Posts from a gmail addy. (Very credible that)
> 4. Completely ignores evidence request when posted; Hint Eric
> would have been encountered by someone with your claimed experience and
> thus you'd know the argument, but you ignored it.
> 5, 6 & 7 I can be arsed remembering. you'll find them in the posts I
> made.
> 8, 9, 10 calling some one a troll. How many times have you done it
> now. < Arsy aren't I {VBG)>
>
> > Jim
> > (long time lurker)
> Yeash I've got a long one tooo!.
> And I've got the floppies to prove it. (Hint, that is another
> historical reference)
>
> Seriously, go get assistance with your mental problem. This list isn't
> the place to get assistance with your paranoia and esteem problems.
>
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Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your > > > kernel. > > > Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. > > > > Please, share some relevant links then, and let us understand what you > > are talking about. > > > > If you keep mentioning unspecified "kernel experts" and what they have > > allegedly said about the Linux kernel without providing any evidence > > for your claims, your posts can be easily misinterpreted by a > > distracted reader as FUD. > > It's simple, because they can't say any more than Linus can, you are not being > helpful and I will now stop replying to your unhelpful post. > > What you can do is look for malware, do some investigative research, just > educate yourself, what I know is out there for all to read. But you heve NEVER provided any links or references to back up your assertions. It is my OPINION that you are a troll. Jim (long time lurker) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?
Apoligies for the finger trouble - I hit send instead of cancel. On Wed, 6 May 2015, Jim Jackson wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2015, Anto wrote: On 05/05/15 16:05, David Hare wrote: The decision in Debian to default the init system to systemd is the main reason to fork Debian in the first place. Not exactly.. The reason is Debian's decision to *require* systemd with the only alternative a crippled OS. What is default matters less.. D Sorry David, I have to disagree with that. (What happened to me today, I have a lot of disagreements with people including at work). In my view, the decision to use systemd as the default init of Debian forces the locked-in of massive number of packages into systemd. That is the main problem which leads to the birth of Devuan. They then provide workarounds for people who want to use other init systems, e.g. shim, etc., to be able to use the whole systemd base distro. Isn't that essentially what ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan
Where i come from ISP's dynamic IP lease times are *very* long, you need to reboot the home router to get a new IP and even then you may get the same IP. It's not that dynamic, at all. Add that with data your browser provides, your *.google.com in|direct usage, etc... it's easy to correlate and monetize. Don't assume even that every home uses has a temporary IP number. Mine is permanant. Interstingly, all the discussion here has assumed IPv4. Using IPv6 each machine can become visible, although use of RFC4921 privacy extensions would make it more like IPv4 with temp. IP address. And yes google provide a free public IPv6 DNS service. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
