Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa
Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:34:09 +0200 - aitor :
> Hi all,
>
> As I said in the irc channel some days ago, I've started developing a
> new alsamixer in Gtk.
...which IMHO could be very useful:
- alsamixer is good, but (?) it has a ncurses interface...
- alsamixergui is a gui (FLTK) frontend for alsamixer which code is kept
unchanged, but the gui is really poor:
+ you cannot change the mixer device to control from inside the gui
itself
+ there is no user configuration available (i.e. you cannot change the
font size, which could be a problem if text is displayed too small etc)
+ there is no integration with the desktop theme/layout
+ ...
- qasmixer maybe good... but it is qt not gtk...
- other mixers for alsa? I do not know...
So a good gtk gui for alsamixer (just a gui, whitout code changes) would
be very useful ("good gtk gui" I mean: gtk, with desktop layout
integration, user configurable).
> Here you are a video:
> https://www.gnuinos.org/gmixer/
>
> In the video you can see three different mixers for alsa:
>
> - On the bottom, qasmixer (developed in Qt5)
>
> - On the top left, alsamixergui
see above...
> - On the top right, my new project.
>
> I'll call it Gmixer for sure.
hum... let me suggest use a different name (g refers gnome too much)...
say gtkamixer or amixer-gtk or gtkalsamixer and similar...
Thanks
Regards
al3xu5
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Re: [DNG] The word is irony
> The word is irony Disgust also. Fri, 8 Jul 2022 05:29:05 -0400 - Haines Brown : > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft > > Haines Brown > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpNkh36wdIst.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] resolv.conf
Mon, 9 May 2022 04:49:35 -0400 - Steve Litt : > Antony Stone said on Sun, 8 May 2022 16:28:38 +0200 > > >On Sunday 08 May 2022 at 16:24:03, william m. moss wrote: > > > >> Years ago I became fed up with too many applications and > >> installations corrupting my resolv.conf. I type in a resolv.conf > >> using an editor. > > > >Me too. > > Me three. > > > > >> To prevent the file from being corrupted by other applications: > > > >chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf > > I chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf also. Besides that, I run my own DNS > (unbound) and strongarm my /etc/resolv.conf to that. Me four. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpYZc4c4jigE.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Chimaera installation issue (regulatory.db)
Hi This is to report an istallation issue with Chimaera (net install). The setup process halted at the beginning asking the "firmware"(???) package for 'regulatory.db'. After some investigation I found it is related to a wireless-regdb package: > wireless regulatory database for Linux > This package provides a machine-readable database of legal > regulations on radio emissions that affect use of wireless networking. > The Linux kernel and drivers use this to maintain compliance with > those regulations. I (was in doubt and) provided (on a USB key) two packages: wireless-regdb_2020.04.29-2_all.deb wireless-regdb-udeb_2020.04.29-2_all.udeb Then the setup process went ahead. Maybe this should be handled by the setup program. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- mQINBGA33HkBEADFmx3R2dWhG3Zf2/jwNiUZBtxAJ96bX+JDIdDUHlbmyPVPvi6T hIFPD7AA1m6h3ydA2WkbrwhchJJ/xi3LJF8eWE8mUu2HiVXsn3cC9NwRo7tSlq2Z LqsLrsnBWHNk3Q4cRHolq8/gQvZJ8Z4dd7olhzajNY8sTRB4EXe7vQQ1KI5erEQe S1a6PY1cq8jiNcAQYwl5JrkKQYf3r3ZjCeswx3Fu8D6QU2IZTTBRt0iyZ85wEgiu EgvOfdidmX7EEZ/H1jxMoJH/irNvO6u9iRNuJWzIUR7VLcagckdl60htAgfPvyqJ q/B7BsAs6UmWs0dZ+fX4f69w3L1MQjf0U6KVmjcHwr7pUvNfzN6z/qtVYc0ZH3KI JFMMhlDMu8xXnsM0Xu9tnXa2KT+Mjj9njKkTUb1YLi8OEqHvF05XkK+P9C1EgNW3 PKrPrZDbgs1adXWmqf67Ndxcu9l6aXp3Lcm4ImdOztLVcN09H6z1elD+3Q4iyIP1 SVFOQkZylqXHPISPqbW432lMXrQ+PoOU6z7/COClkbsmfPfoFG9kSDb1f6awSoTU hmC6Dt1ZT471A5KWGzxLZr1amBYAybo5KxdWaCSx+tlx7Gu9EeC8djzox5lQ9kQY 4rVRTy2alVC/OZf+mNdq8DRZgCazEw08Nb2Ti0gJbS/odgI+zr4vNKCB0QARAQAB tCRhbGV4dXMgKEEpIDxkb3Rjb21tb25AYXV0aXN0aWNpLm9yZz6JAk4EEwEKADgW IQSPwjEhKAOG6ffYtiTaUINbJiSjawUCYDfceQIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDaUINbJiSjaxaUEACukthCkgxgLwZ51KXUOQWNQu70kZVI/6ZT JrrjfZhQfg4kPfAHxLR2wYFEx9y/kIvLUtEI/tVNjTWi4INCuQuF05+qu73JNPqe ZQLY0bNybiyBtywzxlC0G8MU/UeNrydg7sPaCXDHBbsXDQslLR1ZU4DdQZUWIVLd GD7rBnqGQZUgxzP918dmXCT2eIdZT6dkBZzKAPJh6KL0RYBjlWKvmD7jOkaP+EC/ jIXBXKlQkXyOlLaaYXVUQPREY+doXAgdIhq1SOlgnNZexqcJLUtqZJOBI4GFuaEN 2EQHtJ8MmafPXfAy9ZW/UtYMb1L4AvgGY4G6bWj4PItxdrtCW9Ylzx7EarWYPgzn wRssH64XDRhNe6+1jy8tIpEor/mg//kPCxD1xEObds6jLqc6n4nqrqfLu8DRN30y NmKsQAmv7KiB5T6yjCse5qkNaKaKatBjkL6ZDpIi5EZQke6ArF5H5En81g0sYHH1 tw7pD5NPulLLCasaXyjdyu5oE93dHRSG8nXzVUWvgIhdr2fUOhD2LtOUO0wa03be e3qaMRjmjf5YHX/ciG7IXctuhGCboLp/wEk56bia4+EOXilKI9XmyEjQbR1zblx1 zLDEvCA3MibRqHa4YUf5xqfovENj8kKfhz4AfrRGk0QuWb/xF+36XgxK9zqz38ka remBGY6KcbkCDQRgN9x5ARAA3E/Ro6CCqmvSupoXmVZ1yyDe1EdSce23B4LwatvQ dUrMeVhey7BfSlK3eLpR8yfQLQvO3WOlETRyHRKlJIs14hQXjWZ/zzFU5QI/MBkP EwhfwqtPto0xrOTDyBhdaJsIrajrdR2mYG9UzRL6M4d0HsuSW+cUzhF1fAiVWZM3 p3G8wtcDqoBYu93M4JpSuFOyjpxeeSLOi+WffXkKjF1MLUG07lfoCAdgsaBcsxgY cmvldcSooRNYX7Q+49sKYDj7cIlW2/WqMRNPaqE4YAWg/NxEYS3BqSLlQ9u1QNbF VRIrt1Y+4l9HD15dmVR79/EvtQ23XDSlBtmv+eEQnkLbYaG1THYJsxyEdBEytHLu 7hmkAoY+jCJlduBl26GRXFCOqmOQjXo9IaEUrDs0HY5R+VP3U2JDhqwUXsbg0awY glGHrLiRfhHBIiHImSm/BJCfkYrkgHoxl+XumTPC6XtYs0THv0BtMUlJGUE8rwg+ fLwpemavNxrJKYR3K2/SRlMzLJlIF1uE1JsTGsKyTvEB9IX6I8/4kBLv82WF3tHt foY8kjb8NUhBcqzGDWCPLifktCmiWiKCHUdgceNbA2lGKGJ0eUfrmThQQQVi1Lry FW5aaUY6xZhoZMeh8n3iY4w8Arv+jcO41lZynv2VGeLDEUakkheE7jt1NC1oHmwS PScAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQoAIBYhBI/CMSEoA4bp99i2JNpQg1smJKNrBQJgN9x5AhsM AAoJENpQg1smJKNrFikQAMOfCgHf83HSYoYJ/PSS0fMJeQgiyBDxxulsHynfOp24 tyFBBVNS/6XZ5eoGHVenLLAjST1x62GsZRmz3L19+vbekEDtefC1IeYLWliqd5x/ h2JG6U8NRW24iGdO70Ii9500zsNKkMmQ/4huLHWHvLUvzfLw06/xI3f/8+kyrs/6 o2eWe0U6/u9C5Kiz5wYMt4Ko8vAFZQgX4p7uC7KI/gax3v0mB+cRqpFY/fxPwOlM mtTcDq4Kid+5mGeX8bsb8rgIzjglhW9ojIg+pplx+8LgLesNbU1SMTPyqvpClltc InWyVyj78Gkq9PS2yhVKdmZrlhR8QKc+iDr2+2vv30Z9idA2+siL4HCbYHE4tNdZ 1OM4V5nFYOcBzwj675CcdWxtOxvah7dsSjPX5Pbgy416j5/rgS4l8oP3g+KW9u1F D8ZXNhRH0tPnS+cY0NFKUNp6D2vA67/fCBOD+nkWU/8f7x2Lo1VeDefDlxPiDrp9 k7yk74ZR3xyRKZGP8PMMmBdmrYJqDaylMtC+yIElYoOF6svlokiHueulKzoLZNZC F2q7n8mEIFkyqObsXeQRDpQc+PskGXWcBY/fssE7cnuqWyUb9xGkEvl8V6k83YXP Hp4kKPLhBzoblS+01HEZ4leTkjbW9fIfiyygDlP+8mtxgjCCcfRSRDBXD7eb8Zmo =3LGw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpsqqhSgee4j.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Fri, 21 Jan 2022 14:08:26 +0100 - Florian Zieboll via Dng : > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:55:04 +0100 > al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > > > Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described > > below. > > > > Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. > > > > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive > > caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled > > dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with > > unbound. > > > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. > > > > I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq > > executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. > > > > Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? > > > I can confirm that having dnsmasq-base installed is sufficient to start > the network. Good. Thank you. Any need to change the dnsmasq configuration to avoid port conflicts? Or to load the tun module (as suggested by aitor -- Thanks aitor)? Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpC0Alkz97Pt.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:18:49 +0100 - Antony Stone : > On Friday 21 January 2022 at 12:55:04, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching > > DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I > > do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. > > > > But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. > > Does it really "require" dnsmasq? > > I don't have a Chimaera system here running Qemu/KVM, but do I have a > Beowulf one, and that doesn't run dnsmasq. > > What does "aptitude why dnsmasq" tell you on that machine? dnsmasq is required in order to start the default network: $ sudo virsh net-start default error: Failed to start network default error: Cannot check dnsmasq binary /usr/sbin/dnsmasq: No such file or directory Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp4oMspIF1t4.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound
Please, I would ask for your advices about the situation described below. Excuse me if this could be OT in this list. On my chimaera system, I am using unbound as a local recursive caching DNS (not authoritative) server. More, I have uninstalled dnsmasq, as I do not need it and want to avoid it interfering with unbound. But QEMU/KVM requires dnsmasq to start the 'default' virt network. I have seen the dnsmasq-base package should contain a dnsmasq executable which cannot be started as a system daemon. Maybe the dnsmasq-base package a solution? Or, how to configure dnsmasq just to interact with virtual machines and not with my unbound system on the phisycal machine? Thanks Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- mQINBGA33HkBEADFmx3R2dWhG3Zf2/jwNiUZBtxAJ96bX+JDIdDUHlbmyPVPvi6T hIFPD7AA1m6h3ydA2WkbrwhchJJ/xi3LJF8eWE8mUu2HiVXsn3cC9NwRo7tSlq2Z LqsLrsnBWHNk3Q4cRHolq8/gQvZJ8Z4dd7olhzajNY8sTRB4EXe7vQQ1KI5erEQe S1a6PY1cq8jiNcAQYwl5JrkKQYf3r3ZjCeswx3Fu8D6QU2IZTTBRt0iyZ85wEgiu EgvOfdidmX7EEZ/H1jxMoJH/irNvO6u9iRNuJWzIUR7VLcagckdl60htAgfPvyqJ q/B7BsAs6UmWs0dZ+fX4f69w3L1MQjf0U6KVmjcHwr7pUvNfzN6z/qtVYc0ZH3KI JFMMhlDMu8xXnsM0Xu9tnXa2KT+Mjj9njKkTUb1YLi8OEqHvF05XkK+P9C1EgNW3 PKrPrZDbgs1adXWmqf67Ndxcu9l6aXp3Lcm4ImdOztLVcN09H6z1elD+3Q4iyIP1 SVFOQkZylqXHPISPqbW432lMXrQ+PoOU6z7/COClkbsmfPfoFG9kSDb1f6awSoTU hmC6Dt1ZT471A5KWGzxLZr1amBYAybo5KxdWaCSx+tlx7Gu9EeC8djzox5lQ9kQY 4rVRTy2alVC/OZf+mNdq8DRZgCazEw08Nb2Ti0gJbS/odgI+zr4vNKCB0QARAQAB tCRhbGV4dXMgKEEpIDxkb3Rjb21tb25AYXV0aXN0aWNpLm9yZz6JAk4EEwEKADgW IQSPwjEhKAOG6ffYtiTaUINbJiSjawUCYDfceQIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDaUINbJiSjaxaUEACukthCkgxgLwZ51KXUOQWNQu70kZVI/6ZT JrrjfZhQfg4kPfAHxLR2wYFEx9y/kIvLUtEI/tVNjTWi4INCuQuF05+qu73JNPqe ZQLY0bNybiyBtywzxlC0G8MU/UeNrydg7sPaCXDHBbsXDQslLR1ZU4DdQZUWIVLd GD7rBnqGQZUgxzP918dmXCT2eIdZT6dkBZzKAPJh6KL0RYBjlWKvmD7jOkaP+EC/ jIXBXKlQkXyOlLaaYXVUQPREY+doXAgdIhq1SOlgnNZexqcJLUtqZJOBI4GFuaEN 2EQHtJ8MmafPXfAy9ZW/UtYMb1L4AvgGY4G6bWj4PItxdrtCW9Ylzx7EarWYPgzn wRssH64XDRhNe6+1jy8tIpEor/mg//kPCxD1xEObds6jLqc6n4nqrqfLu8DRN30y NmKsQAmv7KiB5T6yjCse5qkNaKaKatBjkL6ZDpIi5EZQke6ArF5H5En81g0sYHH1 tw7pD5NPulLLCasaXyjdyu5oE93dHRSG8nXzVUWvgIhdr2fUOhD2LtOUO0wa03be e3qaMRjmjf5YHX/ciG7IXctuhGCboLp/wEk56bia4+EOXilKI9XmyEjQbR1zblx1 zLDEvCA3MibRqHa4YUf5xqfovENj8kKfhz4AfrRGk0QuWb/xF+36XgxK9zqz38ka remBGY6KcbkCDQRgN9x5ARAA3E/Ro6CCqmvSupoXmVZ1yyDe1EdSce23B4LwatvQ dUrMeVhey7BfSlK3eLpR8yfQLQvO3WOlETRyHRKlJIs14hQXjWZ/zzFU5QI/MBkP EwhfwqtPto0xrOTDyBhdaJsIrajrdR2mYG9UzRL6M4d0HsuSW+cUzhF1fAiVWZM3 p3G8wtcDqoBYu93M4JpSuFOyjpxeeSLOi+WffXkKjF1MLUG07lfoCAdgsaBcsxgY cmvldcSooRNYX7Q+49sKYDj7cIlW2/WqMRNPaqE4YAWg/NxEYS3BqSLlQ9u1QNbF VRIrt1Y+4l9HD15dmVR79/EvtQ23XDSlBtmv+eEQnkLbYaG1THYJsxyEdBEytHLu 7hmkAoY+jCJlduBl26GRXFCOqmOQjXo9IaEUrDs0HY5R+VP3U2JDhqwUXsbg0awY glGHrLiRfhHBIiHImSm/BJCfkYrkgHoxl+XumTPC6XtYs0THv0BtMUlJGUE8rwg+ fLwpemavNxrJKYR3K2/SRlMzLJlIF1uE1JsTGsKyTvEB9IX6I8/4kBLv82WF3tHt foY8kjb8NUhBcqzGDWCPLifktCmiWiKCHUdgceNbA2lGKGJ0eUfrmThQQQVi1Lry FW5aaUY6xZhoZMeh8n3iY4w8Arv+jcO41lZynv2VGeLDEUakkheE7jt1NC1oHmwS PScAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQoAIBYhBI/CMSEoA4bp99i2JNpQg1smJKNrBQJgN9x5AhsM AAoJENpQg1smJKNrFikQAMOfCgHf83HSYoYJ/PSS0fMJeQgiyBDxxulsHynfOp24 tyFBBVNS/6XZ5eoGHVenLLAjST1x62GsZRmz3L19+vbekEDtefC1IeYLWliqd5x/ h2JG6U8NRW24iGdO70Ii9500zsNKkMmQ/4huLHWHvLUvzfLw06/xI3f/8+kyrs/6 o2eWe0U6/u9C5Kiz5wYMt4Ko8vAFZQgX4p7uC7KI/gax3v0mB+cRqpFY/fxPwOlM mtTcDq4Kid+5mGeX8bsb8rgIzjglhW9ojIg+pplx+8LgLesNbU1SMTPyqvpClltc InWyVyj78Gkq9PS2yhVKdmZrlhR8QKc+iDr2+2vv30Z9idA2+siL4HCbYHE4tNdZ 1OM4V5nFYOcBzwj675CcdWxtOxvah7dsSjPX5Pbgy416j5/rgS4l8oP3g+KW9u1F D8ZXNhRH0tPnS+cY0NFKUNp6D2vA67/fCBOD+nkWU/8f7x2Lo1VeDefDlxPiDrp9 k7yk74ZR3xyRKZGP8PMMmBdmrYJqDaylMtC+yIElYoOF6svlokiHueulKzoLZNZC F2q7n8mEIFkyqObsXeQRDpQc+PskGXWcBY/fssE7cnuqWyUb9xGkEvl8V6k83YXP Hp4kKPLhBzoblS+01HEZ4leTkjbW9fIfiyygDlP+8mtxgjCCcfRSRDBXD7eb8Zmo =3LGw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpR14nl2vukm.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more
Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:32:39 -0600 - o1bigtenor via Dng : > Greetings > > When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available > in websites all this information about my system is included. > > Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information? Hi... My suggestions are: - do not use email services like gmail or any other similar stuff... much better to choose a privacy-focused service etc. -- either for free (i.e. tutanota) or also paying (i.e. runbox) - use a good and standardized POP/SMTP/IMAP mail client (avoiding web clients when possibile), which should let you heve full control of email headers... i would strongly suggest claws-mail which has a lot of god features (inclunding customization on headers) Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpovT0l5Y8WV.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + - ael via Dng : > On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the > > video: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive > deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make > youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is > dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv. > > A bit off topic, I know... > > Does anyone know of a way of accessing youtube nowadays without wasting > huge amounts of time and losing the will to live and all concentration > before getting to the proper topic (etc)? Give TorBrowser a try. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpROL9H8FJ8r.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HDA AD1882 no card
Sun, 9 Jan 2022 19:32:13 +0100 (CET) - k...@aspodata.se: > I have a lenovo desktop computer which I cannot make sound work > on, what am I missing ? > > It's a HDA AD1882 "sound card", but alsamixer says "no card". > > alsa-info, kernel config and lenovo doc (see p.80) in: > http://aspodata.se/tmp/sound/ > > /// > > I run with static /dev (no udev) and > boot directly to disk (no initrd). Which is the output for: $ cat /proc/asound/modules and $ lsmod | grep snd al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpOwIOJLMU6W.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Sun, 9 Jan 2022 19:04:59 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 9/1/22 18:43, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > >> Hi. > >> > >> Sorry if I come back to this after a long time... > >> > >> But after upgrading to Chimaera, I'm trying to make the build. > >> > >> A question: after the manual download of the three files above > >> (without adding the gnuinos repos), is there a way how I can verify > >> their integrity? > > Solved by myself (using the gnuinos repository gpg key...). > > > > Sorry for the noise. > > You have the checksums in the .dsc file Indeed. I have used the keys in gnuinos-archive-keyring.gpg to check the .dsc file integrity. Thank you al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp15kipGY_fJ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Sun, 9 Jan 2022 13:27:56 +0100 - al3xu5 via Dng : > Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:35:44 +0100 - aitor : > > > Hi, > > > > On 24/12/21 10:40, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > $ apt-get source icecat > > > > > >QUESTION: > > >- Is it the same to manually download the sources (just to avoid > > > adding the guinos repositories)? > > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > > > > > > Yes, but you need three files: > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc> > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz> > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz > > > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz> > > > > > - Init an empty git repository > > >QUESTION: > > >- I suppose you mean using the sources directory on my machine. > > > Right? > > > > Once you've downloaded the files, go to the directory containing them > > and create the git repository in a new folder: > > > > $ mkdir icecat > > > > $ cd icecat > > > > $ git init > > > > $ git config --global user.name "your name" > > > > $ git config --global user.email "your email" > > > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > > > > - Import the description file of icecat: > > > > > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat*.dsc > > > > > >QUESTION: > > >- Again, is it the same to manually download the .dsc file in the > > > source directory on my machine? > > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > > > > No. You've just downloaded the files and imported the whole project > > into your initial empty git repository. You did things this way > > because there is no remote git repository to clone from. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Aitor. > > > > Hi. > > Sorry if I come back to this after a long time... > > But after upgrading to Chimaera, I'm trying to make the build. > > A question: after the manual download of the three files above (without > adding the gnuinos repos), is there a way how I can verify their > integrity? Solved by myself (using the gnuinos repository gpg key...). Sorry for the noise. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpvJflf9BZPH.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:35:44 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 24/12/21 10:40, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > $ apt-get source icecat > > > >QUESTION: > >- Is it the same to manually download the sources (just to avoid > > adding the guinos repositories)? > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > > > Yes, but you need three files: > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc> > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz> > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz> > > > - Init an empty git repository > >QUESTION: > >- I suppose you mean using the sources directory on my machine. > > Right? > > Once you've downloaded the files, go to the directory containing them > and create the git repository in a new folder: > > $ mkdir icecat > > $ cd icecat > > $ git init > > $ git config --global user.name "your name" > > $ git config --global user.email "your email" > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > - Import the description file of icecat: > > > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat*.dsc > > > >QUESTION: > >- Again, is it the same to manually download the .dsc file in the > > source directory on my machine? > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > No. You've just downloaded the files and imported the whole project into > your initial empty git repository. You did things this way because there > is no remote git repository to clone from. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > Hi. Sorry if I come back to this after a long time... But after upgrading to Chimaera, I'm trying to make the build. A question: after the manual download of the three files above (without adding the gnuinos repos), is there a way how I can verify their integrity? Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpyKk9yinY06.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xdg-desktop-portal
Thu, 6 Jan 2022 22:48:16 +0100 - Antony Stone : > On Thursday 06 January 2022 at 22:30:58, Ken Dibble wrote: > > > Why is xdg-desktop-portal in a fresh install of Chimaera? > > I have a Chimaera machine here, freshly installed, without any graphical > desktop environment - just a command-line network server - and > xdg-desktop- portal is not installed. > > > It can be safely uninstalled, as it no devuan packages in the base > > install require it, > > They may not REQUIRE it, but I wonder whether you are allowing packages > to install RECOMMENDS as well? > > Try "aptitude why xdg-desktop-portal" and see whether something you do > want to have on your machine has simply Recommended xdg-desktop-portal, > and you ended up with it because you haven't told apt or aptitude not to > do that sort of thing without your permission. > > I always put two files into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d before allowing much > software to be installed: > > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/norecommendationsplease > APT::Install-Recommends "false"; > APT::Get::Install-Recommends "false"; > > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/nosuggestionsplease > APT::Install-Suggests "false"; > APT::Get::Install-Suggests "false"; > > That way nothing gets installed unless I explicitly ask for it, or it's > essential for something I asked for. Hi Please can anyone suggest a way to list all the packages installed as recommended but without a real dependency? I would be curious to see how I have my system from this point of view ... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpTDRpuEdIoX.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Mon, 3 Jan 2022 22:02:48 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 3/1/22 12:05, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > After upgraded to Chimaera, I wsa able to install snetaid .deb > > packets without problems. > > > > It seems it works as expected. > > > > Many thanks Aitor! > > Good :) > > > PS: I would also kindly ask you for information on the status of > > simple-netaid-gtk<https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk> > > > > Thanks again > > I do not dare giving a precise date for the packages of the gtk > interface, because there are also other key-areas on which i would like > to spend my time, such as vdev or the live-sdk documentation, among > others. Even though, if it appears to be a widespread desire on > prioritize any of these concrete areas, it could be carred out in the > short term. The snetaid gtk inteface would be nice, but certainly not urgent. > Cheers, and thanks for your interest! Thanks to you. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpnbfWhffR07.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] request for assistance
Mon, 3 Jan 2022 06:37:43 -0600 - o1bigtenor via Dng : > Greetings > > Following the official directions: > > https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/upgrade-to-chimaera > > I get : > > # apt update > Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera InRelease > Ign:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security InRelease > Ign:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates InRelease > Ign:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports InRelease > Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release > 404 Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80] > Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security Release > 404 Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80] > Err:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates Release > 404 Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80] > Err:8 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports Release > 404 Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80] > Reading package lists... Done > E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release' does > not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is > therefore disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user > configuration details. > E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security > Release' does not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is > therefore disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user > configuration details. > E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates > Release' does not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is > therefore disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user > configuration details. > E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports > Release' does not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is > therefore disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user > configuration details. > > > Hmm - - - not only does that response me that I was unsuccessful > in upgrading but 2> it means I really don't know what to do next. > > Please - - - what do I do to succeed at apt dist-upgrade? (from > beowulf to chimera) Hi are you sure your `/etc/apt/sources.list' file has the correct naming? I can see `chimera' in the output you pasted... But it should be `chimaera`. Hope it helps Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpnMmwBmtPtf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Mon, 22 Nov 2021 11:32:45 +0100 - al3xu5 via Dng : > Mon, 22 Nov 2021 01:38:54 +0100 - aitor : > > > Hi, > > > > On 6/11/21 10:36, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > I tried to install the new packages on Beowulf: [...] > I will retry after upgrading to Chimaera... After upgraded to Chimaera, I wsa able to install snetaid .deb packets without problems. It seems it works as expected. Many thanks Aitor! PS: I would also kindly ask you for information on the status of simple-netaid-gtk <https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk> Thanks again al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp9OHfzWTm9c.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Beowulf to Chimaera upgrade: success report!
Hi A little while ago, I finished upgrade from Beowulf to Chimaera, on a 64bit with 32GB RAM system. The upgrade processed has requested some time, as I expected, since the system disk is mechanical (albeit at 10k rpm) and that the number of packages installed is quite large. Everything went regularly, without *any* problem. Some packages (very few) have been updated by re-running 'Upgrade` and Dist-upgrade after a reboot. It was a further upgrade of the same Devuan system originally installed in 2016 when migrated from a previous Debian installation! Great!!! Thanks Devuan !!! al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- mQINBGA33HkBEADFmx3R2dWhG3Zf2/jwNiUZBtxAJ96bX+JDIdDUHlbmyPVPvi6T hIFPD7AA1m6h3ydA2WkbrwhchJJ/xi3LJF8eWE8mUu2HiVXsn3cC9NwRo7tSlq2Z LqsLrsnBWHNk3Q4cRHolq8/gQvZJ8Z4dd7olhzajNY8sTRB4EXe7vQQ1KI5erEQe S1a6PY1cq8jiNcAQYwl5JrkKQYf3r3ZjCeswx3Fu8D6QU2IZTTBRt0iyZ85wEgiu EgvOfdidmX7EEZ/H1jxMoJH/irNvO6u9iRNuJWzIUR7VLcagckdl60htAgfPvyqJ q/B7BsAs6UmWs0dZ+fX4f69w3L1MQjf0U6KVmjcHwr7pUvNfzN6z/qtVYc0ZH3KI JFMMhlDMu8xXnsM0Xu9tnXa2KT+Mjj9njKkTUb1YLi8OEqHvF05XkK+P9C1EgNW3 PKrPrZDbgs1adXWmqf67Ndxcu9l6aXp3Lcm4ImdOztLVcN09H6z1elD+3Q4iyIP1 SVFOQkZylqXHPISPqbW432lMXrQ+PoOU6z7/COClkbsmfPfoFG9kSDb1f6awSoTU hmC6Dt1ZT471A5KWGzxLZr1amBYAybo5KxdWaCSx+tlx7Gu9EeC8djzox5lQ9kQY 4rVRTy2alVC/OZf+mNdq8DRZgCazEw08Nb2Ti0gJbS/odgI+zr4vNKCB0QARAQAB tCRhbGV4dXMgKEEpIDxkb3Rjb21tb25AYXV0aXN0aWNpLm9yZz6JAk4EEwEKADgW IQSPwjEhKAOG6ffYtiTaUINbJiSjawUCYDfceQIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDaUINbJiSjaxaUEACukthCkgxgLwZ51KXUOQWNQu70kZVI/6ZT JrrjfZhQfg4kPfAHxLR2wYFEx9y/kIvLUtEI/tVNjTWi4INCuQuF05+qu73JNPqe ZQLY0bNybiyBtywzxlC0G8MU/UeNrydg7sPaCXDHBbsXDQslLR1ZU4DdQZUWIVLd GD7rBnqGQZUgxzP918dmXCT2eIdZT6dkBZzKAPJh6KL0RYBjlWKvmD7jOkaP+EC/ jIXBXKlQkXyOlLaaYXVUQPREY+doXAgdIhq1SOlgnNZexqcJLUtqZJOBI4GFuaEN 2EQHtJ8MmafPXfAy9ZW/UtYMb1L4AvgGY4G6bWj4PItxdrtCW9Ylzx7EarWYPgzn wRssH64XDRhNe6+1jy8tIpEor/mg//kPCxD1xEObds6jLqc6n4nqrqfLu8DRN30y NmKsQAmv7KiB5T6yjCse5qkNaKaKatBjkL6ZDpIi5EZQke6ArF5H5En81g0sYHH1 tw7pD5NPulLLCasaXyjdyu5oE93dHRSG8nXzVUWvgIhdr2fUOhD2LtOUO0wa03be e3qaMRjmjf5YHX/ciG7IXctuhGCboLp/wEk56bia4+EOXilKI9XmyEjQbR1zblx1 zLDEvCA3MibRqHa4YUf5xqfovENj8kKfhz4AfrRGk0QuWb/xF+36XgxK9zqz38ka remBGY6KcbkCDQRgN9x5ARAA3E/Ro6CCqmvSupoXmVZ1yyDe1EdSce23B4LwatvQ dUrMeVhey7BfSlK3eLpR8yfQLQvO3WOlETRyHRKlJIs14hQXjWZ/zzFU5QI/MBkP EwhfwqtPto0xrOTDyBhdaJsIrajrdR2mYG9UzRL6M4d0HsuSW+cUzhF1fAiVWZM3 p3G8wtcDqoBYu93M4JpSuFOyjpxeeSLOi+WffXkKjF1MLUG07lfoCAdgsaBcsxgY cmvldcSooRNYX7Q+49sKYDj7cIlW2/WqMRNPaqE4YAWg/NxEYS3BqSLlQ9u1QNbF VRIrt1Y+4l9HD15dmVR79/EvtQ23XDSlBtmv+eEQnkLbYaG1THYJsxyEdBEytHLu 7hmkAoY+jCJlduBl26GRXFCOqmOQjXo9IaEUrDs0HY5R+VP3U2JDhqwUXsbg0awY glGHrLiRfhHBIiHImSm/BJCfkYrkgHoxl+XumTPC6XtYs0THv0BtMUlJGUE8rwg+ fLwpemavNxrJKYR3K2/SRlMzLJlIF1uE1JsTGsKyTvEB9IX6I8/4kBLv82WF3tHt foY8kjb8NUhBcqzGDWCPLifktCmiWiKCHUdgceNbA2lGKGJ0eUfrmThQQQVi1Lry FW5aaUY6xZhoZMeh8n3iY4w8Arv+jcO41lZynv2VGeLDEUakkheE7jt1NC1oHmwS PScAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQoAIBYhBI/CMSEoA4bp99i2JNpQg1smJKNrBQJgN9x5AhsM AAoJENpQg1smJKNrFikQAMOfCgHf83HSYoYJ/PSS0fMJeQgiyBDxxulsHynfOp24 tyFBBVNS/6XZ5eoGHVenLLAjST1x62GsZRmz3L19+vbekEDtefC1IeYLWliqd5x/ h2JG6U8NRW24iGdO70Ii9500zsNKkMmQ/4huLHWHvLUvzfLw06/xI3f/8+kyrs/6 o2eWe0U6/u9C5Kiz5wYMt4Ko8vAFZQgX4p7uC7KI/gax3v0mB+cRqpFY/fxPwOlM mtTcDq4Kid+5mGeX8bsb8rgIzjglhW9ojIg+pplx+8LgLesNbU1SMTPyqvpClltc InWyVyj78Gkq9PS2yhVKdmZrlhR8QKc+iDr2+2vv30Z9idA2+siL4HCbYHE4tNdZ 1OM4V5nFYOcBzwj675CcdWxtOxvah7dsSjPX5Pbgy416j5/rgS4l8oP3g+KW9u1F D8ZXNhRH0tPnS+cY0NFKUNp6D2vA67/fCBOD+nkWU/8f7x2Lo1VeDefDlxPiDrp9 k7yk74ZR3xyRKZGP8PMMmBdmrYJqDaylMtC+yIElYoOF6svlokiHueulKzoLZNZC F2q7n8mEIFkyqObsXeQRDpQc+PskGXWcBY/fssE7cnuqWyUb9xGkEvl8V6k83YXP Hp4kKPLhBzoblS+01HEZ4leTkjbW9fIfiyygDlP+8mtxgjCCcfRSRDBXD7eb8Zmo =3LGw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpotsyPHoT6C.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:35:44 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 24/12/21 10:40, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > $ apt-get source icecat > > > >QUESTION: > >- Is it the same to manually download the sources (just to avoid > > adding the guinos repositories)? > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > > > Yes, but you need three files: > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc> > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz> > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz > > <http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.debian.tar.xz> > > > - Init an empty git repository > >QUESTION: > >- I suppose you mean using the sources directory on my machine. > > Right? > > Once you've downloaded the files, go to the directory containing them > and create the git repository in a new folder: > > $ mkdir icecat > > $ cd icecat > > $ git init > > $ git config --global user.name "your name" > > $ git config --global user.email "your email" > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > - Import the description file of icecat: > > > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat*.dsc > > > >QUESTION: > >- Again, is it the same to manually download the .dsc file in the > > source directory on my machine? > >- In this case, is the following the right one? > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc > > > > No. You've just downloaded the files and imported the whole project into > your initial empty git repository. You did things this way because there > is no remote git repository to clone from. Aitor, thank you al ot for the clear and detailed explanation. I will try after upgrading to Chimaera. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpud8D44GFlF.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:43:32 +0100 - aitor : > On 23/12/21 22:38, aitor wrote: > > The packages of icecat i386 will appear in ../build-area. > > In the case of amd64, skip all the steps related to pbuilder and run: > > $ gbp buildpackage --git-export-dir="../build-area" Yes, I am in the amd64 case. So please can you confirm the steps below, and plase answer some questions? -- HOWTO -- - Add the repository of gnuinos chimaera - Download the sources of icecat-78.15. They contain all the lang-packs: $ apt-get source icecat QUESTION: - Is it the same to manually download the sources (just to avoid adding the guinos repositories)? - In this case, is the following the right one? http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0.orig.tar.xz - Init an empty git repository QUESTION: - I suppose you mean using the sources directory on my machine. Right? - Import the description file of icecat: $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat*.dsc QUESTION: - Again, is it the same to manually download the .dsc file in the source directory on my machine? - In this case, is the following the right one? http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/icecat_78.15.0-1.dsc - Adjust debian/browser.mozconfig.in to suite your needs (see the section "Configure the build" in your link above). - Build the packages (amd64): $ gbp buildpackage --git-export-dir="../build-area" The packages of icecat amd64 will appear in ../build-area. ---- Thank you a lot. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp26HaxabsJc.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:38:27 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 23/12/21 20:56, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > Until some time ago I was able to build the old versions of X, > > certainly until 52.x. -- I had also made a guide for building Icecat: > > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/Compile_and_package/build_52.6.0_on_Devuan_2.0.0_ASCII_64bit > > > > Now the building process seems changed. So, please, could anyone give a > > guide (even if schematic) on how to build current Firefox/Icecat > > releases? > > I did it recently. > > PREREQUISITES: > > I recommend a fresh install of devuan chimaera amd64 on a computer with > 8G RAM, and a swap partition of 16 GB. I have 32GB RAM and 16GB swap. So it should be ok. But I am still on Beowulf. Hope to upgrade soon... > -- HOWTO -- > > Here you are a quick guide: > > - Add the repository of gnuinos chimaera > > - Download the sources of icecat-78.15. They contain all the lang-packs: > > $ apt-get source icecat > > - Init an empty git repository and import the description file of icecat: > > $ gbp import-dsc ../icecat*.dsc > > - Adjust debian/browser.mozconfig.in to suite your needs (see the > section "Configure the build" in your link above). > > - Install git-buildpackage, quilt, pbuilder and cowbuilder > > - Create a jail containing a base system of devuan chimaera i386 > in /var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow: > > $ sudo cowbuilder --create --distribution="chimaera" > --architecture="i386" --mirror http://deb.devuan.org/merged > > - Build the packages: > > $ gbp buildpackage --git-pbuilder --git-pbuilder-options="--host-arch > i386" --git-export-dir="../build-area" > > git-buildpackage will ask you for sudo's password, and probably you'll > need to install previously aptitude in the jail. If so, > chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow and install aptitude. All the build > dependencies will be installed automatically. > > The packages of icecat i386 will appear in ../build-area. > > Good lock :) > > Aitor. I will try after my Chimaera upgrade. Thank you Aitor. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpSYG7N8KAoy.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox) - TYPO FIX
Thu, 23 Dec 2021 20:56:04 +0100 - al3xu5 via Dng : > Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:19:42 +0100 - aitor : > > > Hi, > > > > On 16/12/21 7:08, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > > > I don't think I'm up for compiling firefox from source. > > > > [...] > > Until some time ago I was able to build the old versions of X, certainly I am sorry... X --> Firefox/Icecat > until 52.x. -- I had also made a guide for building Icecat: > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/Compile_and_package/build_52.6.0_on_Devuan_2.0.0_ASCII_64bit > > Now the building process seems changed. So, please, could anyone give a > guide (even if schematic) on how to build current Firefox/Icecat > releases? > > Thanks in advance > al3xu5 > al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpfR97OmHwUC.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Firefox/Icecat build (was: Re: Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox)
Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:19:42 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 16/12/21 7:08, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > > I don't think I'm up for compiling firefox from source. > > [...] Until some time ago I was able to build the old versions of X, certainly until 52.x. -- I had also made a guide for building Icecat: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/Compile_and_package/build_52.6.0_on_Devuan_2.0.0_ASCII_64bit Now the building process seems changed. So, please, could anyone give a guide (even if schematic) on how to build current Firefox/Icecat releases? Thanks in advance al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpoKVfLksP8M.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Mon, 22 Nov 2021 01:38:54 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 6/11/21 10:36, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > I tried to install the new packages on Beowulf: > > > > - snetaid 1.0-1 package was installed, but I have: > > > > $ sudo service snetaid status > > /usr/sbin/snetaid: error while loading shared libraries: > > libnetaid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > > directory > > > > - indeed when trying to install the libnetaid 1.0-1 I get a dependency > >error being required libc6>=2.29 ... > > I've got the same error in Void Linux due to other reasons. Setting the > environmental variable: > > |export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu| > > solved the issue, as you can see in the following screenshot: > > https://www.gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/simple-netaid_voidlinux.png > <https://www.gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/simple-netaid_voidlinux.png> Thanks for the info. On my Beowulf system the path is `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu` (without the `/usr` part). More, my issue is the libc6 version: I am still on Beowulf and libc6 is 2.28. I will retry after upgrading to Chimaera... Regards > However, simple-netaid is not working 100% in Void Linux yet, though > there is not much left: > > - Configure the runit scripts for snetaid in /etc/sv/snetaid. > > - Install ifupdown, a runtime dependency. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpxu5DRxXJMA.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:45:48 +0100 - "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng" : > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Nov 07:33:09 -0500 > Rich W via Dng scripsit: > > Sadly, this will probably never change. > > > > They used the same argument to choose Windows adimins over Linux ones > > in the past. > > Which basicly translates to "I want to pay less". ... but pay (probably more) for RH "support" plans Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpgqrZEGnKH6.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 17:24:51 -0500 - Steve Litt : > k...@aspodata.se said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:28:02 +0100 (CET) > > >James Cloos: > >> >>>>> John Morris via Dng writes: > >> > So yes, it is time to eliminate /bin, /sbin and /lib. > >> the real result shod be eliminate /usr. > > > >Guys, please don't push unnessary changes and policies > >to the user. Let each and everyone be the master of his/her > >own systems. > > Ex-actly! > > > > >Just because debian wants to go that route doesn't mean > >it has to be engraved as a policy for devuan. > > If it's possible to diverge from Debian's usr merge with Devuan's given > (wo)manpower, I agree. I totally agree. > Starting somewhere in the 00's, Debian started > making a lot of bad decisions. Indeed. > By the way, for the person who really wants the usr merge, wouldn't the > conversion from an unmerged system consist of two mass copies and a few > symlinks? > > SteveT Unfortunately things seem to be rather more complex, as some people have pointed out in this discussion: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 23:29:16 +0100 - Martin Steigerwald : > Steve Litt - 13.11.21, 23:24:51 CET: > > By the way, for the person who really wants the usr merge, wouldn't > > the conversion from an unmerged system consist of two mass copies and > > a few symlinks? > > No. > > At least not if you like dpkg to be working fine. As I noted before, see: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/MergedUsr My suspected is that the (totally unecessary) usr-merge decision made by Debian will force (almost) all its derivatives to adapt even if they despite. This is because maintaining a derived distribution rejecting usr-merge would become too complex and onerous... Best regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgppt2vdPgowm.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:30:34 +0100 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 1/11/21 19:48, aitor wrote: > > > The code of simple-netaid is ready to use: > > [...] > Done: > > https://www.gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/ > <https://www.gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/> Hi aitor Thank you a lot for your work. > Packages have been tested in a fresh install of devuan chimaera. The > dependency on libpstat (Jude Nelson) might be replaced with pwdx > (maybe...) Please, don't forget to configure > your /etc/network/interfaces properly. I tried to install the new packages on Beowulf: - snetaid 1.0-1 package was istalled, but I have: $ sudo service snetaid status /usr/sbin/snetaid: error while loading shared libraries: libnetaid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - indeed when trying to install the libnetaid 1.0-1 I get a dependency error being required libc6>=2.29 ... Since now I have no time to rebuild snetaid sources on Beowulf, I decided to firstly migrate my system to Chimaera (as soon as possible) and then "retry" to install snetaid... > Next packages will consist of a > status icon in both Gtk and Qt. I have them working. Great!!! > Shortly i'll test simple-netaid in other distributions. Specially, I > look forward to build packages for Void Linux, including also ifupdown > -available in github for other distros, de(b|v)uan aside. > > Feedback is welcome. > > Cheers, Best regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpbqq5HkkLFH.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!
Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:00:33 -0400 - Mason Loring Bliss : > Dear Friends and Software Freedom Lovers, > > Devuan Developers are pleased to announce the release of Devuan Chimaera > 4.0 as the project's newest stable release. This is the result of lots of > painstaking work by the team and extensive testing by the wider Devuan > community. [...] I am a Devuan user since Devuan beta (migrating from Debian). Then, continuing on the same initial installation, I migrated to Jessie, then to ASCII and Beowulf... And I have a perfect system I am delighted. Now, I will also migrate to Chimaera. This premise to say only one thing: thank you very very much!!! Best regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpToJCc5gUvP.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:30:06 +0200 - aitor : > Hi all, > > On 16/10/21 12:14, al3xu5 wrote: > > Hi Aitor > > > > As you know Wicd is no longer available in Bullseye / Chimaera. > > > > I would like to upgrade to Chimaera eliminating Wicd (regardless of > > whether it is not available), and I would like to use snetaid, which > > seems to me to be a good alternative. > > > > So I wondered if there are news on development, even about the GTK > > interface. > > > > Thanks > > Reegrads > > > > al3xu5 > > I've read the warning about the missing wicd in Chimaera and i want to > notice you that i've been working a lot on simple-netaid during these > last days. There will be a lot of new features, being the most important > of them the removal of the suid binary on the one hand, and the addition > of a netlink socket in the code of the daemon (snetaid) on the other, > making the ncurses interface reactive not only to the callbacks of the > interface itself, but also to any netlink event coming from foreign > processes, whether network managers or command line scripts. Packages > will be available soon, and i hope it won't take me more than one week. That sounds great!!! Thank you a lot. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpTrQf2bXUTY.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...
Sun, 22 Aug 2021 09:45:53 +0200 - aitor : > Hi, > > On 22/8/21 8:33, al3xu5 wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I am running Devuan Beowulf && LXDE, and I want to try snetaid && > > simple-netaid-cdk || simple-netaid-gtk... > > Thanks for your interest on simple-netaid. > > > I have found some debs are at: > > > > http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/s/ > > > > Please, can anyone tell me if it's the right place? > > Yes, this is the right way and the last packaging. > > > > Are that packages updated? Or is there a better way to install? > Though i'm rewriting it the above link is the stable release. Just > change in the line: > > Exec=sakura -e "sudo simple-netaid-cdk" > > of /usr/share/applications/simple-netaid-cdk, "sakura" by "lxterminal" > or "xterm" > or whatever you want. There aren't packages for the gtk interface yet, > only ncurses. > I'm rewriting the gtk interface and the snetaid daemon because i have > new ideas for the them. > > Any doubt, please tell me. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. Hi Aitor As you know Wicd is no longer available in Bullseye / Chimaera. I would like to upgrade to Chimaera eliminating Wicd (regardless of whether it is not available), and I would like to use snetaid, which seems to me to be a good alternative. So I wondered if there are news on development, even about the GTK interface. Thanks Reegrads al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpadnB_NGvTb.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] PrivateBin (was: Re: [OT] Video cards on Linux (was Re: Information request re: wayland))
Sun, 5 Sep 2021 14:42:49 -0500 - o1bigtenor via Dng : > On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM hal wrote: > > > > > > > On 9/3/21 06:24, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > > > How did you get your 1050 Ti working under nouveau? > > > How many monitors/sizes are you driving off of it? > > > > > > This is the card that I'm fighting!! > > > Trying to drive 2 - 1920x1080 and 1 - 4k. > > > Its the 4k monitor that seems to cause the issues!! > > > > > > (Please pretty please - - - - do you have any ideas/suggestions!) > > > > > > Hopefully this pastebin helps. > [...] > > Hmmm - - - - the page shows for about 1/2 a second and then goes blank. > tried clicking on the individual sections - - - still no joy. > > So I destroyed the pastebin cookies in the browser and purged the history > file of anything to do with pastebin. > [...] Just to suggest a (IMHO) better pastebin service: PrivateBin https://privatebin.info/ Disroot Bin - Encrypted pastebin by PrivateBin https://bin.disroot.org/ - No cookies - Encryption - Password protection - Expiration times, including "forever" and "burn after reading" - Markdown format support for HTML formatted pastes, including preview - Syntax highlighting for source code using prettify.js - ... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp0plKBoB1eF.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] basilisk browser hangs
Mon, 6 Sep 2021 09:00:52 -0400 - Haines Brown : > I've happily run the basilisk browser for a couple years, but recently > it bagan to hang. On sites that are more demanding such as Amazon and > eBay. When I do things there's a hang that lasts perhaps a minute. > > When I look at Basilisk's requirements I'm left unsure whether beowuld > is up to them. It requires a 64-bit distribution, 1 Gb RAM, GTK+ 3.4 > or hightr, GLib 2.22 or higher, Pango 1.14 or higher, X.Org 1.0 or > higher (1.7 or higher recommended), lbstdc++ 4.61 or higher. > > Not sure but I suspect beowulf is runing GTK 3.0.0, and pango 1.0, > etc. If so, it may be that the hangs are because my software is a bit > dated. I tried clearing cache but it had no obvious effect. Hi Haines It seems to me that you are assuming that the problem is linked to the system software environment, but this does not seem to be proven. First of all: have you tried using other browser than Basilisk? Same hanging with Firefox etc.? Another pont. For my experience, in recent times, this type of slowdown could also be due to problems with TSL certificates. This happens mostly with "major" sites (I.E. Google, Amazon etc.) that adopt more strict requirements (TLS 1.3) before and more than others; and it may occurs where there is an outdated proxy server or appliance, as often is in many organizations. I don't know if Basilisk has some developer tools like Firefox or Chrome (in Firefox-like browsers it is at the >Tools>Web Developer>Network menu or Ctrl+Shist+E). If Basilisk has this kind of tools, then you can use it to check if the freezes during the loading of the pages is due to network-related problems, even identifying the specific cause. > Would an upgrade to cimaera likely remove the hangs? I've done it on a > couple systems without a problem, but not my production system. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpUeClzrpSMe.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License (upd)
t with attribution and without modifications, neither of the license nor the document content. Given that situation, a GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution license or the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International seems to fit the author requirements (he is the author, he decide how to license its work). For example and more clarification, in *this given situation* the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International seems to be good as: BY: means people must cite the author when share the work with others NC: means people must use and/or share the author's work only for personal (i.e. non commercial) purposes (being the author free to use its own work for *any* purpose, commercial included) ND: means people can use/modify the author's work for personal "internal" purposes, but cannot share modified copies of the original work (which must be shared also keeping the author's license statements) International: is to apply the license worldwide (as it could be shared on the internet). > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design > > restrictions! > > > > (Well - - - there is some value to each of these, its the stupidly long > hold > times that have come about so a few large firms can retain the control > on their cash cows that I argue with. After someone is dead their heirs > are quite allowed to get their own patooties in gear to make their own > living rather than living off of inherited goodies! (IMO)) I know. And agree with you. But copyright & c. are by the establishment to ensure income and power for the benefit of very few people, and to the detriment of all others. Those few are the ones who make the laws, so I don't think there will ever be fair laws on copyright & c. -- It remains only to resist against them in some other way. Starting with saying NO. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpbI2reOsAIs.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland
Sat, 4 Sep 2021 07:17:11 -0500 - o1bigtenor via Dng : > On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 3:24 AM Steve Litt > wrote: > > > o1bigtenor said on Fri, 3 Sep 2021 06:19:31 -0500 > > > > [...] > > - I > had to learn how to use xrandr so that I could set up the monitors so > they would give my desired configuration and that needs to be entered > EVERY time I restart the box! > I also like to use lots of desktops and > too many of the applications > are quite stupid so then I need to shuffle things around at EVERY > restart. Not sure what you are meaning here. If you run xrandr commands "manually" at every restart, then you shoud use a login script to do this. I have to use xrandr to adjust video output from my audio-video Linux box to a old LCD TV: I have a small login script to have xrandr setting up things at every login... Incidentally, I would like to share this two useful links: - modeline generator: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl - modeline database https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database > I can > not do most of that in about 30 to 40 minutes but it still a headache > (every cotton > picking time). Yes when I plug in the 4k monitor my uptime > shrinks - - - > the bet I"ve had in quite a few tries is 28 hours - - - - sometimes as > low as 45 > minutes - - - it doesn't bother me so much that I need to reboot - - - > its the time > it takes to get things back to the way I want them - - - - that's the > pain. My computers > are 'tools' for me - - - - they are not a hidden galaxy where I go to > hide myself from > the world around me. So I like to do some sorta - - - for most folks > anyway > - - > unusual things - - - - I think that's my issue and not really anyone > else's! > > [...] > > So please - - - -if anyone knows something about taming this nouveau hdmi > issue > (I think that's what it is!!!), or how to get my mobo to talk to radeon > gpus I really > want to talk. (I also am open for questions on my setup but would prefer > not to > broadcast everything on the web - - - grin!). Premise: I have never used more than 1 monitor... And excuse me if this is of no interest for you. But, searching in the net (for "linux 4-monitor" or "linux multi-monitor"), it seems X can handle up to 16 monitors since years, either Nvidia or AMD, either proprietary or free drivers... Just in case you miss it, here below are some interesting links: How To Use Multiple and External Displays https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/use-multiple-external-displays-linux-ubuntu/ Quad-Monitor AMD/NVIDIA Linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=quad_monitor_linux=1 Trying Out The Modern Linux Desktops With 4 Monitors + AMD/NVIDIA Graphics https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=linux-quad-desktop=1 xorg - Using many monitors (4+) in linux https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2911/using-many-monitors-4-in-linux Multihead - ArchWiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/multihead Use multiple monitors as one big monitor https://askubuntu.com/questions/1192181/use-multiple-monitors-as-one-big-monitor How to Set Up Multiple Monitors in Linux : 6 Steps - Instructables https://www.instructables.com/How-to-set-up-multiple-monitors-in-linux/ Maybe you could be interested in a possible hardware solution, as pheraphs could be a multi-monitor appliance (which surely is not cheap)... Something like the Matrox QuadHead2Go Series: QuadHead2Go Q185 | Multi-Monitor Controller Appliance | Matrox Video https://www.matrox.com/en/video/products/video-walls/quadhead2go-series/q185-appliance Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgppIm2ncx0u_.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License (upd)
Sat, 4 Sep 2021 04:14:12 -0400 - Steve Litt : > goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 03 Sep 2021 11:18:43 -0500 > > >Jaromil . . . please advise regarding the policy for using the Devuan > >trademark and DNG acronym on a license for a document compiled and > >written from comments on the DNG list by Steve Litt. > > > >My .02 . . . > > > >Whoa! Any license using the Devuan trademark would have to go through > >Dyne. Even licensing "DNG" could be debatable. Before any action is > >even considered, you'll need to pass it by Jaromil/Dyne. Just to clarify and avoid misunderstandings: - I know there are trademarks etc. - My proposal for one "DNG Verbatim Libre License" was, precisely, just a proposal... - I made the proposal saying "I suggest sometihing like"... So, the proposed text was a "sample", where terms like "DNG" or "Devuan" and the content text were, in fact, to be discuss (in case you were interested in doing so) [...] > >And what use is a verbatim (or any other) license unless you have the > >financial resources to challenge those who might violate it. Hum... Many opensource projects are managed by small organizations or individuals, and are released with licenses such as Apache, BSD, MIT, Expat and many others: the authors certainly have no finance resources to pursue violations, and I doubt that others (the "holders" of these licenses) they do it for them. In this specific case, it is simply a question of using a license that tells people: know who is the author of this documentation, and that you can use it, and that if you want to redistribute then you have to indicate the author and you don't have to change the content... > Yes. The bulk of the feedback here indicates that this documentation > project is better off allowing distribution of modifications. So -- for my experience and knowledge -- good options could be: - GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution which states: ~~~ Copyright YEAR AUTHOR Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies of this entire document without royalty provided the copyright notice and this permission notice are preserved. ~~~ - Creative commons CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/> which states: ~~~ You are free to: Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms. Under the following terms: Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use. NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material. No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits. ~~~ or any other similar verbatim license. > >Carving it into a stone tablet might be the best method of pristine > >preservation. > > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Indeed :-) But even a paper papyrus would not be bad. It also resists 5000+ years ... A CDROM that resists 50 years is already a miracle; And even if it were, in 50 years it will be difficult to even find a reader ... Someone today can read a 5 1/4 floppy? Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpZTmdKomqEi.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License
Fri, 3 Sep 2021 14:46:53 -0400 - Hendrik Boom : > On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 10:33:31AM +0200, al3xu5 wrote: > > Thu, 2 Sep 2021 21:50:10 +0200 - tito : > > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:26:52 -0400 > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > A discussion on this list about a month ago spawned several > > > > documents about programming best practices, which I have been > > > > calling the "DNG Software Guide", even though it's absolutely not > > > > sponsored or even approved by Devuan. > > > > > > > > With the latest version at > > > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide_20210901.tgz > > > > , it's mature enough to get a license and Git distribution. This > > > > email is about the license. > > > > > > > > If this were software, I'd probably vote for an extremely > > > > permissive license like the license of Expat ( > > > > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat ). However, this is > > > > documentation, and I'm a little afraid that people with > > > > insufficient knowledge, or with political agendas, will water it > > > > down with bullshit. Only skilled people can modify source code, > > > > but any fool can modify documentation. > > > > [...] > > > > Agree. > > > > > > Isn't there already a creative commons license like this? It is the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ which states: You are free to: Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms. Under the following terms: Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use. NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material. No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpUkXt7nZAJB.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License (upd)
Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:33:31 +0200 - al3xu5 : [...] > But nothing prevents us from using a different verbatim license, perhaps > more articulated and specific ... > > Maybe even a specially created verbatim license! > > I suggest sometihing like: I forgot ... The license text should be available online, and the URI referenced in the text... It would be like: ~~~ DNG Verbatim Libre License Version 1.0, 1 September 2021 Copyright 2021 DNG <https://www.devuan.org> This License document is released under the following terms and conditions of the DNG Verbatim Libre License itself. TERMS AND CONDITIONS Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire work are permitted worldwide except for commercial purposes, without royalty, in any medium, ensuring content source full availability and exclusive use of completely open and patent-free formats when using any digital medium, provided this notice is preserved. Any strictly personal use is not subject to any limitation. ADDENDUM To apply this License to your works, insert a verbatim copy of the License itself with it, and also add to it the following copyright and license notices: Copyright Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire work is permitted under the terms and conditions of the DNG Verbatim Libre License, Version 1.0. The full text of the License is available at: <https://www.devuan.org/DNGVLL> End of DNG Verbatim Libre License text. ~~~ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpLTxM44oCiH.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide --> Proposal: DNG Verbatim Libre License
Thu, 2 Sep 2021 21:50:10 +0200 - tito : > On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:26:52 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > A discussion on this list about a month ago spawned several documents > > about programming best practices, which I have been calling the "DNG > > Software Guide", even though it's absolutely not sponsored or even > > approved by Devuan. > > > > With the latest version at > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide_20210901.tgz > > , it's mature enough to get a license and Git distribution. This email > > is about the license. > > > > If this were software, I'd probably vote for an extremely permissive > > license like the license of Expat ( > > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat ). However, this is > > documentation, and I'm a little afraid that people with insufficient > > knowledge, or with political agendas, will water it down with bullshit. > > Only skilled people can modify source code, but any fool can modify > > documentation. [...] Agree. > Hi, > > This are the Ten Commandments of software writing, have you ever heard > of somebody who wants to change the Ten Commandments? > > Jokes aside there is no license whatsoever that will save your work > from idiots because there are so many and because they will in due time > find various and subtle ways to subvert and corrupt your work that you > cannot even imagine now. > > The only helpful license is the one that forbids any modification, > or subordinately permits modifications only under your supervision > or under the supervision of a person appointed by you > (unless by error you appoint one of the aforementioned idiots. That > would be a pity!). Indeed. I think it can be treated as the reference documentation that accompanies a software. Which is modified along with the software releases. Or like the publication of an article or a book or a technical text. Which the author can later readjust or modify by publishing a later revision. And, in that specific case of the "DNG Software Guide", it is a text that contains personal views, knowledge and experiences of the author(s). So, we want to make the "DNG Software Guide" available (and any subsequent revisions modified by the same author(s)), also allowing its redistribution, but without the content being altered by others. Basically, it seems to me that a verbatim license is needed. For example: https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Verbatim-Copying-License.html But nothing prevents us from using a different verbatim license, perhaps more articulated and specific ... Maybe even a specially created verbatim license! I suggest sometihing like: ~~~ DNG Verbatim Libre License Version 1.0, 1 September 2021 Copyright 2021 DNG <https://www.devuan.org> This License document is released under the following terms and conditions of the DNG Verbatim Libre License itself. TERMS AND CONDITIONS Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire work are permitted worldwide except for commercial purposes, without royalty, in any medium, ensuring content source full availability and exclusive use of completely open and patent-free formats when using any digital medium, provided this notice is preserved. Any strictly personal use is not subject to any limitation. ADDENDUM To apply this License to your works, insert a verbatim copy of the License itself with it, and also add to it the following copyright and license notices: Copyright Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire work is permitted under the terms and conditions of the DNG Verbatim Libre License License, Version 1.0. End of DNG Verbatim Libre License text. ~~~ If this is a (good) idea that can be pursued, I think it would be interesting and important to discuss it, establish the exact wording of the license (name, copyright holder, clauses etc.) ... and use it in the case in question (and in all other cases where a verbatim license is needed)! > I understand that this form of licensing is not propitious to encourage > progress. > > OTOH often I ask myself: Progress? what progress? Exactly: progress is not good in itself... > This are my pessimistic 2 cents. Pessimistic? I would say realistic. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp1iKxHl8zsI.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Cannot install on W10 laptop (was: Re: Reinstalling unbootable laptop...) [SOLVED]
> > Using beowulf netinstaller (3.1.1), it starts with a blocking error: > > > > ~~~ > > Loading Devuan beowulf installer in standard mode... > > > > error: invalid sector size 0 > > error: you need to load the kernel first. > > ~~~ -- Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:15:26 +0200 - "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" : [...] > Just a guess: is secureboot enabled? Thanks for your suggestion. Secureboot was/is disabled. -- Sun, 22 Aug 2021 19:19:32 +1000 - Ralph Ronnquist : > That error suggests that the partition holding the installer's kernel > (off the ISO) is on a partition type that the efi boot program (also off > the ISO) can't handle. E.g. extfat. > > Is the install ISO on actual DVD or on USB? If on a USB, how did you > write it? I.e., is that USB a true copy of the ISO? The netinstall iso was on a UBS; I have writed it using dd as suggested in the Devuan documentation. -- Thanks to some investigation and the inspiration of your suggestions, I realized that the problem could be due to some lock on the disk. And then the first hypothesis was that this could be tied to the presence of W10 on the machine. Indeed W10 had a hanging attempt hanging, and this created the lock on the disc. After restarting W10 and made a clean shutdown, I restarted with the Beowulf 3.1.1 netinstall ISO (USB), and the installation went ahead without further problems. During the partitioning phase, I left unaltered the partitions created by the Windows Installer, and I created in the unused space a new root partition, a separate home partition and the swap partition. Finally, the laptop has devuan again and turns off and restarts without problems. Thanks again. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgprCbuHWhETF.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Displaying adequately sized UTF8 characters in a terminal
Sun, 22 Aug 2021 15:48:15 +0930 - dva...@internode.on.net: > After having trouble displaying apostrophe and hyphen in recent > posts on several lists, I've found that it is not "xterm -u8" or > uxterm which are intrinsically deficient, but rather it is my "-fn > 10x20" option which is selecting a font size which presumably > lacks an adequate utf8 character set. I.e., without the fontsize > option, the problem > characters display OK. > > The reason for that option is that even selecting "Huge" at > Ctrl-Right_Click gives an unreadably small font size. > Does anyone know of a substantial fontsize with a more complete utf8 > character set, or a howto on exploring installed X11 fonts and > their size and unicode characteristics? > Here, fc-list lists many fonts, without any useful size clues, and > "fc-match utf8" shows only one font: > DejaVuSansttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" > And "xlsfonts | grep utf8" returns nothing. > > And "xset q" shows: Font Path: > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,built-ins > > Any thoughts on whether: console-setup - console font and keymap > setup program might help? > > Of the squillion font packages available, would there be mileage in > installing perhaps the first of: > $ apt-cache search font | grep font | grep unicode | more > fonts-cmu - sets the computer modern unicode fonts > fonts-georgewilliams - Free unicode TrueType fonts by George Williams > fonts-junicode - Unicode font for medievalists (Latin, IPA and Runic) > fonts-lg-aboriginal - unicode fonts for North-American Aboriginal > languages > fonts-oflb-euterpe - unicode musical font > fonts-senamirmir-washra - collection of unicode fonts for the Ethiopic > script > xfonts-efont-unicode - /efont/ Unicode fonts for X which cover various > scripts > xfonts-efont-unicode-ib - /efont/ Unicode fonts for X (italic and bold > But what then? Any firm ground in this swamp would help a lot while > I work on building taller stilts. Google hits thus far furnish > little or no additional stuff to check or implement. > > Erik > Hi Erik I have the `fonts-dejavu` package installed (not ttf-dejavu) with a very large Unicode character set; then running: ~~~ xterm -fn "Dejavu Sans" -fs 12 ~~~ or ~~~ xterm -fn "Dejavu Sans Mono" -fs 12 ~~~ it seems there are not troubles displaying any character (i.e. `~-_àèù|\|¦ etc) Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpSVohOdxHyj.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Cannot install on W10 laptop (was: Re: Reinstalling unbootable laptop...)
Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:05:19 +0200 - al3xu5 : > About one or two years ago I had installed Devuan on my brother's laptop. > > It is a Lenovo B50-10 (model 80QR), with a 64bit Intel N3540 CPU, 4GB > DDR1600 RAM and a mechanical 500GB HDD (see: > https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/cr/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-b-series-laptops/b50-10/80qr/documentation/doc_userguide) > > Two weeks ago I tryed some BIOS changes and did an apt-get > update/upgrade. Do not remember neither which BIOS changes I tried, nor > the order I did changeas and apt-get... > > This resulted in a unbootable system (a loop, booting and rebootin, > without starting the system). > > [...] After a long battle, the notebook now starts correctly ... but to fix the boot issue I had to install W10 (UEFI). So now I'm trying to reinstall it with Devuan, but I can't. Using beowulf netinstaller (3.1.1), it starts with a blocking error: ~~~ Loading Devuan beowulf installer in standard mode... error: invalid sector size 0 error: you need to load the kernel first. ~~~ Please help! Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpn8sxs8lmiU.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] snetaid debs...
Hi all I am running Devuan Beowulf && LXDE, and I want to try snetaid && simple-netaid-cdk || simple-netaid-gtk... I have found some debs are at: http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/s/ Please, can anyone tell me if it's the right place? Are that packages updated? Or is there a better way to install? Thanks in advance Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- mQINBGA33HkBEADFmx3R2dWhG3Zf2/jwNiUZBtxAJ96bX+JDIdDUHlbmyPVPvi6T hIFPD7AA1m6h3ydA2WkbrwhchJJ/xi3LJF8eWE8mUu2HiVXsn3cC9NwRo7tSlq2Z LqsLrsnBWHNk3Q4cRHolq8/gQvZJ8Z4dd7olhzajNY8sTRB4EXe7vQQ1KI5erEQe S1a6PY1cq8jiNcAQYwl5JrkKQYf3r3ZjCeswx3Fu8D6QU2IZTTBRt0iyZ85wEgiu EgvOfdidmX7EEZ/H1jxMoJH/irNvO6u9iRNuJWzIUR7VLcagckdl60htAgfPvyqJ q/B7BsAs6UmWs0dZ+fX4f69w3L1MQjf0U6KVmjcHwr7pUvNfzN6z/qtVYc0ZH3KI JFMMhlDMu8xXnsM0Xu9tnXa2KT+Mjj9njKkTUb1YLi8OEqHvF05XkK+P9C1EgNW3 PKrPrZDbgs1adXWmqf67Ndxcu9l6aXp3Lcm4ImdOztLVcN09H6z1elD+3Q4iyIP1 SVFOQkZylqXHPISPqbW432lMXrQ+PoOU6z7/COClkbsmfPfoFG9kSDb1f6awSoTU hmC6Dt1ZT471A5KWGzxLZr1amBYAybo5KxdWaCSx+tlx7Gu9EeC8djzox5lQ9kQY 4rVRTy2alVC/OZf+mNdq8DRZgCazEw08Nb2Ti0gJbS/odgI+zr4vNKCB0QARAQAB tCRhbGV4dXMgKEEpIDxkb3Rjb21tb25AYXV0aXN0aWNpLm9yZz6JAk4EEwEKADgW IQSPwjEhKAOG6ffYtiTaUINbJiSjawUCYDfceQIbAwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAAKCRDaUINbJiSjaxaUEACukthCkgxgLwZ51KXUOQWNQu70kZVI/6ZT JrrjfZhQfg4kPfAHxLR2wYFEx9y/kIvLUtEI/tVNjTWi4INCuQuF05+qu73JNPqe ZQLY0bNybiyBtywzxlC0G8MU/UeNrydg7sPaCXDHBbsXDQslLR1ZU4DdQZUWIVLd GD7rBnqGQZUgxzP918dmXCT2eIdZT6dkBZzKAPJh6KL0RYBjlWKvmD7jOkaP+EC/ jIXBXKlQkXyOlLaaYXVUQPREY+doXAgdIhq1SOlgnNZexqcJLUtqZJOBI4GFuaEN 2EQHtJ8MmafPXfAy9ZW/UtYMb1L4AvgGY4G6bWj4PItxdrtCW9Ylzx7EarWYPgzn wRssH64XDRhNe6+1jy8tIpEor/mg//kPCxD1xEObds6jLqc6n4nqrqfLu8DRN30y NmKsQAmv7KiB5T6yjCse5qkNaKaKatBjkL6ZDpIi5EZQke6ArF5H5En81g0sYHH1 tw7pD5NPulLLCasaXyjdyu5oE93dHRSG8nXzVUWvgIhdr2fUOhD2LtOUO0wa03be e3qaMRjmjf5YHX/ciG7IXctuhGCboLp/wEk56bia4+EOXilKI9XmyEjQbR1zblx1 zLDEvCA3MibRqHa4YUf5xqfovENj8kKfhz4AfrRGk0QuWb/xF+36XgxK9zqz38ka remBGY6KcbkCDQRgN9x5ARAA3E/Ro6CCqmvSupoXmVZ1yyDe1EdSce23B4LwatvQ dUrMeVhey7BfSlK3eLpR8yfQLQvO3WOlETRyHRKlJIs14hQXjWZ/zzFU5QI/MBkP EwhfwqtPto0xrOTDyBhdaJsIrajrdR2mYG9UzRL6M4d0HsuSW+cUzhF1fAiVWZM3 p3G8wtcDqoBYu93M4JpSuFOyjpxeeSLOi+WffXkKjF1MLUG07lfoCAdgsaBcsxgY cmvldcSooRNYX7Q+49sKYDj7cIlW2/WqMRNPaqE4YAWg/NxEYS3BqSLlQ9u1QNbF VRIrt1Y+4l9HD15dmVR79/EvtQ23XDSlBtmv+eEQnkLbYaG1THYJsxyEdBEytHLu 7hmkAoY+jCJlduBl26GRXFCOqmOQjXo9IaEUrDs0HY5R+VP3U2JDhqwUXsbg0awY glGHrLiRfhHBIiHImSm/BJCfkYrkgHoxl+XumTPC6XtYs0THv0BtMUlJGUE8rwg+ fLwpemavNxrJKYR3K2/SRlMzLJlIF1uE1JsTGsKyTvEB9IX6I8/4kBLv82WF3tHt foY8kjb8NUhBcqzGDWCPLifktCmiWiKCHUdgceNbA2lGKGJ0eUfrmThQQQVi1Lry FW5aaUY6xZhoZMeh8n3iY4w8Arv+jcO41lZynv2VGeLDEUakkheE7jt1NC1oHmwS PScAEQEAAYkCNgQYAQoAIBYhBI/CMSEoA4bp99i2JNpQg1smJKNrBQJgN9x5AhsM AAoJENpQg1smJKNrFikQAMOfCgHf83HSYoYJ/PSS0fMJeQgiyBDxxulsHynfOp24 tyFBBVNS/6XZ5eoGHVenLLAjST1x62GsZRmz3L19+vbekEDtefC1IeYLWliqd5x/ h2JG6U8NRW24iGdO70Ii9500zsNKkMmQ/4huLHWHvLUvzfLw06/xI3f/8+kyrs/6 o2eWe0U6/u9C5Kiz5wYMt4Ko8vAFZQgX4p7uC7KI/gax3v0mB+cRqpFY/fxPwOlM mtTcDq4Kid+5mGeX8bsb8rgIzjglhW9ojIg+pplx+8LgLesNbU1SMTPyqvpClltc InWyVyj78Gkq9PS2yhVKdmZrlhR8QKc+iDr2+2vv30Z9idA2+siL4HCbYHE4tNdZ 1OM4V5nFYOcBzwj675CcdWxtOxvah7dsSjPX5Pbgy416j5/rgS4l8oP3g+KW9u1F D8ZXNhRH0tPnS+cY0NFKUNp6D2vA67/fCBOD+nkWU/8f7x2Lo1VeDefDlxPiDrp9 k7yk74ZR3xyRKZGP8PMMmBdmrYJqDaylMtC+yIElYoOF6svlokiHueulKzoLZNZC F2q7n8mEIFkyqObsXeQRDpQc+PskGXWcBY/fssE7cnuqWyUb9xGkEvl8V6k83YXP Hp4kKPLhBzoblS+01HEZ4leTkjbW9fIfiyygDlP+8mtxgjCCcfRSRDBXD7eb8Zmo =3LGw -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- pgpR1AvL_YmSv.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome and KDE: Was: a how to question (project(s) related)
Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:46:01 -0400 - Steve Litt : > Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200 > > > >"I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because > >I use a Mac." > > - Jason Isitt > > I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because I > use OpenBox on Linux. I think both KDE and Gnome, and also all the Mac stuff, suck -- I'm quite unbiased in that, because I use OpenBox (+LXDE) on Linux. Regards al3xu5 Disclaimer -- It's just a bit of irony... No offense... ;-) -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpD60xXTGwsv.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Reinstalling unbootable laptop...
Hi all About one or two years ago I had installed Devuan on my brother's laptop. It is a Lenovo B50-10 (model 80QR), with a 64bit Intel N3540 CPU, 4GB DDR1600 RAM and a mechanical 500GB HDD (see: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/cr/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-b-series-laptops/b50-10/80qr/documentation/doc_userguide) Two weeks ago I tryed some BIOS changes and did an apt-get update/upgrade. Do not remember neither which BIOS changes I tried, nor the order I did changeas and apt-get... This resulted in a unbootable system (a loop, booting and rebootin, without starting the system). Ok... I know I was too hurried and not very careful... I tried to fix the situation using some usb live tools, but without success. Anyway, as the previous installation had not been completely smooth, and the system had been a little messed up by my brother, and I don't want to waste more time trying to fix it, I'm about to reinstall it. Very shortly, the plan is: a) Set the BIOS in UEFI Mode (and not legacy: it seems that Lenovo machines will only have this mode in the future) b) Download and use the most updated Devuan 3.1 netinstall ISO from USB c) Run the installation procedure -- About partitions: I think I will use the partitioning tool (in manual and non-automatic mode) provided by the ISO, possibly maintaining the same scheme of existing partitions Kindly, I therefore ask you observations and advice about this plan. My major doubts are about the HDD partitions (which is a 500GB *mechanical* HDD), and how to be sure I will have a stable and clean boot process. Many thanks in advance al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpLvbRYTuoAQ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Nasty Linux systemd security bug revealed
Hi Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:57:44 -0400 - Steve Litt : > al3xu5 said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:33:10 +0200 > > > >9) Write code to debug and log > > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean to write errors and > warnings to log files, or do you mean something more. Both. I do definitely mean that the code should allow debugging (better if at different levels of depth) during execution, even with a log system. But this is (should) be the norm of any programming. More, I mean that debugging / log should cover not only errors and warning, but be extended to the values of variables, calls etc. -- in general, that is, debug / log should be related to everything that can help a better development of the code avoiding (even potentially) bugs and inconsistencies. Obviously what all this means in practice depends a lot on the programming language, and if a development framework is used or not. ( Incidentally, I believe this can be an example of how to evaluate the capacity of a programmer: to be capable - based on the programming language, the eventual framework, the complexity of the project etc. - to find the most appropriate debug / log level, and consequently choosing the most appropriate debug / log implementation. ) Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpYB_SCGtAE3.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Marker
Fri, 30 Jul 2021 18:10:34 -0400 - Steve Litt : > This email was to mark the point I got to in my outline of everything > that's been said in the DNG software authoring standards, because my > email client (claws-mail) doesn't have a bookmarking capability, as far > as I know. Hi Steve Claws-mail is also my email client. I would suggest you could mark emails (Tools->Mark) or, as a better bookmark alternative, tag emails (Tools->Tags). From the CM online manual (https://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php): " Tags are short text notes which may be set on messages. They are useful for classifying messages with your own words. These tags can be used later to find the mails with Quick Search or to manage them with filtering or processing rules, for example. Tagged messages are displayed with a yellow background at the top of the Message View. This line shows all tags associated with the message. You can enable the "Tags" column in the Message List, so tagged items can be seen without having to open the message. Setting of tags is done by right-clicking on the message in the Message List or by the corresponding option in Message menu. A panel with the existing tags is shown and you can select some of them or just add a new one. Removal of existing tags is also allowed, of course. Once tags exist it's even easier, as the context menu allows you to set and unset tags with just one click to the selected messages. Mixed selections of tagged and untagged messages are allowed, and Claws Mail is clever enough to do what you want to do in any case. " Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpq7ePX9nigz.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Nasty Linux systemd security bug revealed
Tue, 27 Jul 2021 07:31:12 -0700 - Josef Grosch : > On 7/26/21 11:26 PM, tito via Dng wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 22:53:02 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> Hendrik Boom said on Mon, 26 Jul 2021 17:21:24 -0400 > >> > >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:48:53AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >>>> Andreas Messer said on Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:38:23 +0200 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> My feeling is, that you can not simply teach someone how to write > >>>>> safe software. > >>>> Why not? You can teach a person to do anything else. But maybe not > >>>> in college, because college is built to make money, not to teach. > >>>> Consider the average textbook and compare to the average "For > >>>> Dummies" book. The former makes the subject matter look incredibly > >>>> complex, justifying the professor. The latter makes it easy to > >>>> learn. > >>>> > >>>> What is needed is a curated document explaining the five or ten or > >>>> twenty things you need to do to be secure, and then how to achieve > >>>> them in a practical world. Let's start with input field cleansing > >>>> and protection from errant pointers and buffer overflow. There are > >>>> many more: > >>> Knowing you, you probably already have a draft of such a document > >>> lying around. > >> Not that I know of. That's why I'm starting at the level of a simple > >> list. > >> > >> SteveT > >> > >> Steve Litt > >> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the > >> Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > Hi, > > > > Ten Commandments > > > >1) use the least amount of code possible > >2) try harder and go to point 1 > >3) if the code doesn't fit into one screen go to point 2 > >4) always initialize your vars at declaration time > >5) always set your vars to NULL after freeing them > >6) always check error codes of the functions you call and something > > appropriate 7) add comments about what and why you did (that ugly hack) > >8) use meaningful (to others) names for your functions and vars > >9) your code must be readable to others like a children's book > > 10) if you don't know how to solve it, look what others did, then do > > it your way (or forget Ctrl-C) > > > > these are the few rules I used when I did a little programming in the > > past. So tell me yours... > > > > Ciao, > > Tito > > > > I've done a fair bit of programming in my career, (FORTRAN, COBOL, C, > Pascal, Java, Perl, Python) and I've also have my rules to programming. > > > 1) KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) Clever code always comes back to bite > you in the ass. Simplicity is a beautiful thing. > > 2) White space is free, use it to make the code readable. > > 3) Pick a coding style and stick to it, I personally prefer the One True > coding style. Most languages have a tool like Beautify that can be > configured to format your code to your coding style. > > 4) If a block of code gets repeated 2 or more time break it out as a > function or a method. > > 5) Most languages have a Lint type tool, use it often. > > 6) Use the system and languages libraries. Never try to re-write them, > it will only lead to more bugs and rabbit holes. Same goes for libraries > from other projects, they have had the benefit of many eyes looking at > their code. > > 7) Pay attention to the scope of variables and functions. > > 8) Use a revision control system like Git to check code in on a regular > basis into a branch for a coding session, not into the main branch. > Working in a branch lets you figure out what really works and only when > everything is correct then merge into the main branch. I usually do a > pull at the beginning of a coding session and a push at the end. > > > I'm sure I have more but I'm low on coffee. 9) Write code to debug and log 10) Handle all kind of errors 11) Document and document and document all the code (vars, functions, errors etc. ... all) 12) Write and run accurate tests for each routine and the whole code 13) Clearly specify the license(s) for each piece of code ... sure there is more but now I am low on coffee too... regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpxxsb4icXXG.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB mount problem
Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:41:09 -0700 - Patrick Bartek : > On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:59:24 +0200 > al3xu5 wrote: > > > [...] > > I have openbox+lxde & PCManFM: usb drives are automatically mounted > > (by udisks2) and are shown and usable (open and umount) thanks to > > PCManFM. > > > > I have also udiskie, which i nice, but not strictly necessary in my > > case... Am I right? > > I have found that each desktop uses its own method of automounting. > PCManFM may have the mounting code built-in. Or it may use udiskie. > Check PCManFM's dependencies and see if udiskie is listed. No: PCManFM do not require udiskie. I think you are right saying it should have the mounting code built-in. > Did you > install udiskie yourself? Yes: I installed udiskie "separately", when PCManFM was already installed. > If not, then some other app did and it's > probably needed. Looking at the PCManFM deps seems to confirm it has the mounting code built-in... $ apt-cache depends pcmanfm pcmanfm Depends: libatk1.0-0 Depends: libc6 Depends: libcairo2 Depends: libfm-gtk4 Depends: libfm4 Depends: libfontconfig1 Depends: libfreetype6 Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 Depends: libglib2.0-0 Depends: libgtk2.0-0 Depends: libpango-1.0-0 Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 Depends: libpangoft2-1.0-0 Depends: libx11-6 Depends: shared-mime-info > If it's not causing problems, leave it be. Indeed, I have both. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp8gtqc4dwxj.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB mount problem
Sun, 13 Jun 2021 21:37:45 -0700 - Patrick Bartek : > [...] > I did some checking -- It's been a while since I installed Beowulf and > udisks2 -- and I discovered that you need to use a "front end" for > udisks2 for it to truly automount. I used udiskie > (https://pypi.org/project/udiskie/) which must be started manually. > Installing it doesn't automatically set it up to start. I just added a > stanza to Openbox's autostart script. Since I use lxpanel in addition > to Openbox, I added the "--smart-tray" option, so udiskie will appear in > the panel when it's in use. Hi Patrick I have openbox+lxde & PCManFM: usb drives are automatically mounted (by udisks2) and are shown and usable (open and umount) thanks to PCManFM. I have also udiskie, which i nice, but not strictly necessary in my case... Am I right? > [...] Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpn8JSCbPlfA.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Script to migrate buster desktop to beowulf v1.6
Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:03:02 +0200 - tito : > Two serious question arise now? > > 1) should echo "ALWAYS_SET_PATH true" > /etc/default/su > be added to the script to restore old su behaviour or > should that be left to the user I think it should be left to the user, using the buster "pre-migration" situation as the default choice Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:02:54 -0400 - Steve Litt : > tito via Dng said on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:03:02 +0200 > > > >2) should non-free and contrib repos be added to sources.list > >or should that be left to the user > > I believe enough non-free and contrib stuff should be available at > install time (or boot time on a live CD/flash) that the user doesn't > need to put in additional media to get boot, network, video and sound > working. And I believe any non-free and contrib stuff should, by > default, be installed at install time, but before installation the user > should be given the option of opting out of this non-free/contrib > stuff, so if he/she only uses free software, he/she can maintain that > principle in the installation. I totally agree. [ Extra OT comment START > Stating it the inverse way, I HATE these installs that bomb because > there's no FSF-satisfying drivers, firmware or software to handle my new > laptop's weird hardware. And those distros that do that, their mailing > lists always say "well just put in a thumb drive with the > drivers/firmware!" How the KFDWOJMFOW do I know which drivers and > firmware? I think free software purist snobs drive more people back to > Windows than cleanse people of their non-free ways. I agree in principle, although I believe the question is more complex. Premise 1: From a practical point of view, I do not think the claim to have 100% free software (in the sense of software with a copyleft or GPL-copyleft-compatible license) in order to have freedom, privacy, security, stability etc., makes much sense: the hardware remains not free, the vanilla kernel has blobs, a loto of free software are actually used for the worst nephans... and certainly it is not a license (any) which could be able to guarantee people freedom or privacy or security... Premise 2: For me it does not detect to talk about Windows vs Linux or distro_a vs Distro_B: it is not about "selling" something, nor to "vote" to establish what is better or worse. Premise 3: The "pure" distros (those who do not provide "non-free" software) should bring users to increase their awareness: even if this is an important and shareable goal, the result will hardly be achieved in this way... As already observed, if people don't already have that awareness, the result will be that most of the users simply will change distro or install Windows (maybe pirated). That being said, as far as the software licenses are important for software, people freedom and equality are linked to social and political aspects that are generally related only partly to digital technologies, and which are at a much broader and "high" level. My computer is 100% free software (at least I think it is), but not for this I think I am free; and if all the devices of the world were 100% free software, I don't think this would be enough to give everyone freedom. (please, sorry for length and boredom) Extra OT comment END ] al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpiHzRFLER1t.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
Fri, 9 Apr 2021 21:18:22 +0200 - al3xu5 : > Hi all > > Today, after last apt-get upgrade, the `speedtest` python script > (package is `speedtest-cli`) returns errors: > > [...] As Ludovic has pointed out the problem seems to have been solved upstream. Thank you all. al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpqxYMChtsuW.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
Hi all
Today, after last apt-get upgrade, the `speedtest` python script
(package is `speedtest-cli`) returns errors:
~~~
$ speedtest
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/speedtest", line 11, in
load_entry_point('speedtest-cli==2.0.2', 'console_scripts',
'speedtest')()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1887, in main
shell()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1783, in shell
secure=args.secure
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1027, in
__init__
self.get_config()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1113, in
get_config
map(int, server_config['ignoreids'].split(','))
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
~~~
The apt-get log shows:
~~~
Start-Date: 2021-04-07 20:19:56
Commandline: /usr/sbin/synaptic
Requested-By: alexus (1000)
Upgrade: libldb1:amd64 (2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3,
2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3+deb10u1), libopenjp2-7:amd64 (2.3.0-2+deb10u1,
2.3.0-2+deb10u2), libcurl4:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
libjs-underscore:amd64 (1.9.1~dfsg-1, 1.9.1~dfsg-1+deb10u1),
libcurl4-gnutls-dev:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
python-lxml:amd64 (4.3.2-1+deb10u2, 4.3.2-1+deb10u3), curl:amd64
(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2), libcurl3-gnutls:amd64
(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2) End-Date: 2021-04-07 20:20:10 ~~~
I am not sure the problem is related to the last apt-get upgrade...
Anyway, could anyone help me to fix this issue, please?
Thanks in advance
al3xu5
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Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code
Hi all Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:41:54 -0500 - goli...@devuan.org: > In case you haven't noticed . . . we've already lost that battle. Those > of us who oppose the trajectory may huddle in small ponds like Devuan > but the masses will follow whatever paradigm our corporate > masters/politicians are selling and eventually our "cause" will be lost > in time. Humans may be able to manipulate the external world but have no > understanding of the internal forces that drive them to, more often than > not, make choices that bring nothing but suffering and destruction to > themselves and others of our species. > > golinux Indeed. It's exactly like that. I completely agree. And the battle was lost a few years ago. And that this would be the outcome, it was evident from long before, at least by the advent of smartphones, social and first cloud services. And whoever then did this (in my opinion easy) forecast, was considered a complottist, or a somewhat strange and half-crazy person... > > On 2021-03-31 11:57, Tony Thedford wrote: > > I think it goes much deeper than that. In these days and times, those > > who control the world's software controls the world. It is literally a > > "good" vs "evil" event. The way we choose to view it will decide our > > future. > > > > > > On 3/31/21 11:41 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 31/03/2021 à 18:12, Tony Thedford a écrit : > >>> I am wondering, what good are developers to the Linux community if > >>> they are moving their projects more and more into the "evil" column? > >>> What is needed are "good" developers and a total rejection of the > >>> globalist cancel cultures. Project advancement at any cost is a > >>> destructive goal. > >> One side may be accused of sacrificing to cancel culture and the > >> other to the cult of personality (~: > >> > >> -- Didier Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpWWVO2RE6Y1.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights (OT)
Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:58:39 +0100 - Riccardo Mottola : [...] > But I make a step back and do a further comment: I want politics out of > free software. [...] it should concentrate on > code, technology and access to it. And this is exactly what FSF is doing today: abandon the original philosophical (political, ideological) approach, to focus on purely legal and technical aspects, and on internal struggles behind which there are the interests of corporation that finance developers and projects the whose only interest is for profit ... Instead I would like the exact opposite: that FSF was essentially concentrated on the social and political aspects related to digital software and technologies in general, at a much higher and broad level of the defense of 4 poor legal rights that very little importance have with freedom and (more importantly) equality among people. Mainly (but not only) for these reasons, after so many years since 2009, I don't think I will still be a member of FSF. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgp2cMQC5Y_0p.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Remote two-way sound?
Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:36:46 +0100 - Antony Stone : > Hi. > > I don't know if I'm just overlooking something obvious, but I can't > think of the answer... > > Does anyone know of a remote access mechanism which supports two-way > sound? > > I've deliberately worded that slightly vaguely, because I'd be happy > with a remote desktop sharing system such as RDC / VNC where the remote > machine has a desktop of its own which I'm just manipulating remotely, > or with remote application access such as X server / client, where the > remote machine is just running the application without a grphical > display of its own, and sending the application windows back to me. > > Basically I want the application to be running on a remote machine, > which I can access from my X-window Linux machine (where my preferred > environment is KDE).Everything is running Linux (in fact Devuan); > I'm not trying to do anything cross-platform. > > The requirement is that I need to run applications expecting to have > access to microphone and speakers, and those are on my local machine, > not the remote one running the application/s. > > Bandwidth is not a problem - the machines are on a gigabit LAN; I'm not > trying to do this over the Internet. > > If (just in case, I have no idea) it makes things any easier, I can > easily run the application in a virtual machine on the remote computer, > or on the native physical hardware. > > > Any ideas? Not sure it's something similar that you are looking for, but take a look here: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2021-march/114047.html Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpH28BJwnE1l.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jitsi advice please [SOLVED] ish
Mon, 08 Mar 2021 22:01:53 + - g4sra : > It turns out 80 of the issue was a syntax error in the ALSA > configuration. For an unknown reason this mostly only caused an issue > for web browsers. In fact I only detected it when running some third > party alsa software that displayed a warning. Hi Being interested about audio (ALSA), may I ask you which were the third party alsa software that displayed a warning? Thanks al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpaBxepbyTUj.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] apparmor? (was Re: What does this remind you of?)
Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:11:18 +0100 - "d...@d404.nl" : > On 07-03-2021 18:20, tito via Dng wrote: [...] I personally would scrap: [..] > > apparmor [...] > > Tito > Mostly agree with you and in its current state apparmor belongs to this > list. In the same time I like the idea of apparmor in limiting apps > behavior. It could be most useful if implemented correctly. > Nick Hi I have: ~~~ $ sudo service apparmor status apparmor module is loaded. 17 profiles are loaded. 17 profiles are in enforce mode. /usr/bin/man /usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lightdm/lightdm-guest-session /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lightdm/lightdm-guest-session//chromium /usr/sbin/cups-browsed /usr/sbin/cupsd /usr/sbin/cupsd//third_party /usr/sbin/libvirtd /usr/sbin/libvirtd//qemu_bridge_helper /usr/sbin/ntpd /usr/sbin/tcpdump man_filter man_groff nvidia_modprobe nvidia_modprobe//kmod system_tor virt-aa-helper 0 profiles are in complain mode. 6 processes have profiles defined. 6 processes are in enforce mode. /usr/sbin/cups-browsed (2446) /usr/sbin/cupsd (12205) /usr/lib/cups/notifier/dbus (12208) /usr/sbin/cupsd /usr/sbin/libvirtd (3278) /usr/sbin/ntpd (3030) /usr/bin/tor (3200) system_tor 0 processes are in complain mode. 0 processes are unconfined but have a profile defined. ~~~ I have done nothing (I can remember) about apparmor configuration and profiles... Maybe it was installed by default or maybe I had installed it ages ago and it hasremained over time, a dist-upgrade after the other. So, I would like your advice: is there any sense that I keep it on the system? Or can I do without quietly? Thanks in advance. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpdYDzrLwRfj.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft
Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:56:25 + - Simon Hobson : > Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link to > > the related info in the Debianwiki: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames [quote] * UNPREDICTABILITY it turns out even after all this there are still reported cases of interfaces changing their name on a reboot. All that needs to happen is that some buggy BIOS (or some new, less buggy version of a driver module, or systemd's naming policy) changes its mind about some detail like whether or not your hardware counts as the kind that should have an ONBOARD name. There are even reports of devices changing their PCI-port numbering due to other hardware being installed. [\quote] > Did anyone else read that and think it could be summarised along the > lines of : "We thought X was badly broken, so we developed Y which will > require you to reconfigure lots of stuff - but even we have to admit > that Y is actually more broken and here's the complicated ways to get > sane behaviour" "... and if even so it remains broken, even then it's not our fault: or it is a non-compliant device (with us), or it's a hardware problem." al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpUbROVu7Bes.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to adjust mouse characteristics? SOLVED
Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:37:07 -0500 - Steve Litt : > Could you please tell me the make and model of the mouse? I love > super-sensitive mice. It was (now I am on a basic Logitech mouse) a TeckNet um013 (specs: http://www.tecknet.co.uk/um013-black.html) -- not sure if it falls under the definition of "super-sensitive mice". Anyway, it was difficult to me using it: even for small movements of the mouse I had too rapid and amplified movements of the pointer. Only by using a mousepad (made of a sort of firofiber fabric) I was able to "fix" its acceleration and speed in usable way. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp28pyfp3qp0.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to adjust mouse characteristics? SOLVED
> The problem was that the mouse was way too sensitive, meaning the > pointer would go too far for a small mouse movement. Hi I had a similar issue some months ago with a sensitive high resolution mouse... For me the solution was simply to use an appropriate mousepad (designed for sensitive high resolution laser and optical mices) and then finely adjust by trials both mouse acceleration and sensitivity (LXDE). Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpDeiJspqIqf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for assistance
Sun, 24 Jan 2021 19:59:19 -0600 - o1bigtenor : > Greetings > > (Asking this here as so far I've seen some seriously skilled folks > connecting in!) > > I've been working on getting a HiSense 50" TV (3840x2160_30) working > on a Nvidia GTX1050 Ti graphics card. I have a second graphics card > (Nvidia GT (IIRC) 570) with a present stable of 4 -1920x1080 monitors. > I am running Nouveau rather than proprietary Nvidia software and get > to use xrandr to set up my graphics system after every boot but > although it took me a while to learn how to do this setup its pretty > quick now. > > Part of the 'fun' in wanting to add the 3840x2160_30 monitor is that > EDID has become a more than somewhat 'challenging' system. Enough so > that I was able to find this: > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/driver-api/edid.html > > Creating this 'custom' EDID is a long ways from my wheelhouse - - - I > have spend some time today trying to find some of the stuff indicated > on that page - - - - can't find anything (maybe also a good thing!). I > am going to attach (hopefully the list accepts attachments) 2 files > which give enough information so that someone with the requisite > skills could create this 'custom' EDID that I need so that I could > then use xrandr to get this monitor working. Is there someone who > might be able to do this? (I think doing it might be a lot less time > consuming that guiding me through the doing of it - - - especially as > I have essentially zero programming skills) > > Please? > > TIA Hi I had the same problem with a Panasonic Viera TV. Here below the way I have solved. You need a valid right modeline for your tv/monitor with the desired resolution/refresh. You have the hardware specs of your tv/monitor, and its EDID file you attached which has: DTD 1: 3840x2160 30.000 Hz 16:967.500 kHz 297.000 MHz (1872 mm x 1053 mm) Hfront 176 Hsync 88 Hback 296 Hpol P Vfront8 Vsync 10 Vback 72 Vpol P Using these informations you should be able to find the modeline you need. See: Modeline Database - MythTV Official Wiki https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database Working with Modelines - MythTV Official Wiki https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Working_with_Modelines * Modeline Calculator https://arachnoid.com/modelines/ videogen http://www.dynaweb.hu/opensource/videogen/ Debian -- Package Search Results -- videogen https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=videogen=names=1=all=all Your modeline will be something similar to: "3840x2160_30.00" 339.57 3840 4080 4496 5152 2160 2161 2164 2197 -HSync +Vsync (Be very careful because using an incorrect modeline may DAMAGE the display.) Once you have the right modeline, you need to pass it to xrandr for each session. If you are using a DM (e.g lightdm), you can configure it to run a script when starting each session. Here is how mine is (you should change it accordingly to your tv/monitor model and modeline): ~~~ #!/bin/bash # ## DISPLAY SETUP # Modeline for Panasonic Viera 32" HDMI LCD TV (model: TX-32LX52F) xrandr --newmode "1216x684_60" 74.160 1216 1356 1396 1648 684 707 712 750 +hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 "1216x684_60" xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode "1216x684_60" ~~~ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpNV5Hy1F9Vy.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor browser can't see current drive
Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:33:13 -0500 - Haines Brown : > Whether I install torbrowser-launcher from Beowulf repository or > download it from www.torproject.org, I find that it insists on > saving files to no longer mounted drive. > > When I browse other save locations, all locations are /dev/sdc, and > those locations are not accessible. I cannot write to the "save files > as" field in download preferences. When I set always ask where to > save, I can set the locationin preferences, but I'm not actually asked > where to save it. > > Some time ago /dev/sdc was mounted, but not used for tor browser. I > could not find in what file the tor browser configuration is located. > I have firefox-esp installed, but it does not have the problem. Hi Haines I have tor-browser (v. 10.0.8) on my Devuan Beowulf system and I am able to save downloads in every place, so I suspect something in your setup is wrong. Please note I do not use torbrowser-launcher from Beowulf repository, but the standalone package which is dowloadable from torproject: https://www.torproject.org/download/ It is *very important* to check its signature before using it. The advantages are: - you can explode the standalone package where you prefer (e.g. in `~/localprograms/torbrowser`), included any mounted disk or usb stick: all the stuff will stay into the container directory - when launching torbowser it will be auto-updated if a newer version is available from torproject (and you do not need to re-check the signature): you will have always the latest version! - when downloading files you can save them either inside the downloads subdirectory inside the container directory, or in every other place in your system. Also note that being based on Firefox (which might not have alsa support enabled) and being self-contained, torbrowser could not be able to reproduce audio using pulseaudio (this is what happens also on my system, which is a "pulseudio-freed" area...). The usual trick is to install the apulse package and to launch torbrowser with: ~~~ $ apulse /start-tor-browser ~~~ You can also change the torbrowser .desktop launcher: ~~~ Exec= /usr/bin/apulse /start-tor-browser.desktop ~~~ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp0Dux2LvDcV.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux's sucky cut and paste: was: problematic mouse driver?
Wed, 18 Nov 2020 10:40:03 +0200 - "Dimitris T." : > you probably mean clipboard manager(?)... > i'm using parcellite mainly for that. gtk based, but also ran it in LXQT > without issues iirc... There is also ClipIt (forked from Parcellite, adding bugfixes and features). I do not use neither parcellite nor clipit, so do not know how it is good. project: https://github.com/CristianHenzel/ClipIt debs: http://ppa.launchpad.net/afelinczak/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clipit/ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpnoUoCy26Id.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf
Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:36:32 -0700 - Ian Zimmerman : > On 2020-09-30 20:02, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > Firefox, from a certain version onwards (sorry but I don't remember > > which one), removed support for ALSA from the default build > > configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, I don't know > > if it has already been but I don't think so), keeping only pulseaudio > > support. > > > > This should explain why you didn't have audio on Firefox; while I can > > assume that the other problems depend on pulseaudio and its > > configuration (also because I seem to understand that they happened > > after you installed it...). > > FWIW, I am on Debian buster, which just upgraded firefox-esr to 78; I > have no pulseaudio; and I just checked youtube and it works ok. So, I > doubt this explanation of Marc's problem. As I said, "Firefox from a certain version onwards" (shoud be 52) "removed support for ALSA from the default build configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, [...]" So if you have no pulseaudio and audio is ok with firefox-esr 78, IMHO it should mean that the ff release you have has been built with ALSA support (nice if they have restored it!!!) or that you run ff throught apulse... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpgAp6fR2xMI.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:25:26 -0400 - "." : > [...] > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. Which is one of the main reasons I do not use LXQT and use LXDE instead... > So I have a two-part question: is there some way to get my numeric > keypad back under KDE ; or how can I remove pulseaudio without removing > lxqt along with it? Maybe using dpkg with -r --force-depends. Should be (Disclaimer: use it at your own risk): $ sudo dpkg -r --force-depends pulseaudio > Or do I have to move on to some other UI? (Okay, part 3 of a 2-part > question :-) Probably you do not have to... But why use something that tends to force the installation of packages that are not desederated (nor desirable)?... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpxKYnF7qHfB.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf
Fri, 25 Sep 2020 22:54:14 -0700 - Marc Shapiro : > I have been running Debian for over 20 years, but I want to avoid > systemd, so I am trying out Devuan. > > I installed ASCII a last year and just did an upgrade to Beowulf about a > week ago. [...] > The issue that I am having is with sound. My daughter reported that it > was not working. I tried playing a video (in Firefox) from my login and > also got no sound. > > I have since determined that pulseaudio was not running (it is > installed). So I started the pulseaudio daemon under my login, started > up Firefox and played a video. Sound. Yay! I logged into my > daughter's account and started the pulseaudio daemon, started Firefox > and played a video. No sound. Boo! > > The I started pavucontrol under both logins. My login shows the 'Built > in Analog Stereo' output device, and its monitor for input. My > daughter's login shows a 'Dummy' output device and its monitor for > input. under my wife's login, it shows the same 'Dummy' devices as my > daughter's login . > > 1) If anyone can tell me how to get pulseaudio to see my built-in audio > for all three logins, it would be greatly appreciated. > > 2) How do I get pulseaudio to run for each user when they log into the > system. > > 3) The 'play' utility from the sox package gives an error whenever I try > to play an mp3 file. Using 'aplay' to play .wav files works fine. What > do I need to do to play mp3s from the commandline? > > (NOTE: I boot to console only. Each user switches to a different VT and > runs startx from there.) I am running Beowulf and I have all the audio stuff perfectly running using just *only* ALSA (M Audio Audiophile 24/96 sound card, also connected to my hifi setup, whit a real-time audio configuration). I do not need any of the pulseaudio stuff (which is just a useless and total mess IMHO... Indeed, I have removed all the pulseaudio packages). Firefox, from a certain version onwards (sorry but I don't remember which one), removed support for ALSA from the default build configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, I don't know if it has already been but I don't think so), keeping only pulseaudio support. This should explain why you didn't have audio on Firefox; while I can assume that the other problems depend on pulseaudio and its configuration (also because I seem to understand that they happened after you installed it...). The solution I suggest is to totally remove any pulseaudio stuff, use ALSA instead, install the `apulse` package which is a PulseAudio emulator for ALSA (this should ensure that Firefox -- and any other program which require pulseaudio -- will work even if pulseaudio is not present). Also I suggest to install some useful ALSA-related packages: - `apulse` - `alsa-utils` - `alsaplayer-alsa` (and `alsaplayer-gtk`) - `alsamixer` (and `alsamixergui`) to handle your audio devices - `volumeicon-alsa` a lightweight systray volume control Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp3tMJDDZfsx.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RFC: wiki software
Fri, 4 Sep 2020 00:51:01 -0400 - Mason Loring Bliss : > Hi all! We're looking for opinions about wiki software. First choice at > the moment is TWiki but we want more options and more perspective to get > us to the best possible decision. > > [...] You could consider TikiWiki [1] (which is not TWiki). It seems to fit all your requirements, also being scalable and easy to install and configure. Regards [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_Wiki_CMS_Groupware https://info.tiki.org/HomePage https://doc.tiki.org/Keywords https://info.tiki.org/Benefits al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp2IAQ0j2UF1.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminology
Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:59:53 -0400 - Hendrik Boom : > There are files and directories. > > Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity > for something which might be a file or a directory? If you mean regular file and directory and you want something descriptive that isn't an acronym, here below some (not too short) ideas: data container information container storage space data storage space filesystem data container filesystem storage space Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpf8s_rilNYE.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] GNU Shepherd user services
Hello everyone I came across recently on GNU Shepherd user services: `The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface.` [1] As an initial introduction, I took a look, among other things, at the pages at the links that I report below. Also to help me better understand what it is (my knowledge of service-managing is at user level, and therefore not very thorough), I would be interested in reading your comments and considerations. Thanks in advance Best regards Refs: [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ [2] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/gnu-shepherd-user-services/ [3] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/manual/shepherd.html [4] https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/shepherd/ [5] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2013-11/msg00065.html -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpXz1VlOshUG.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] repository status problem?
Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:47:23 +0100 (BST) - Jim Jackson : > Some googling indicated that this sort of problem might be solved by doing > an > > apt update Indeed... While `apt-get update` not asked me to say Y, `apt update` did, and this solved the problem. Anyway this surprised me, both because it had never happened in so many years, and because of the different behavior of apt and apt-get. Thans all for your help. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp1Kx1fVsyib.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] repository status problem?
Hi I am using Beowulf coming as upgrade from ASCII, with my sources.list pointing to (using codenames): deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main After Beowulf has become stable, I can't update anymore doing $ sudo apt-get update which outputs an error about "http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease" has changed "Suite" from "testing" to "stable" N: This should be accepted before obtaining updates... I suppose either there is something wrong or missing in the repositories, or that we have to wait for the changes to propagate. How to behave? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpu9YpMDUd27.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:29:58 +0100 - al3xu5 / dotcommon : > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would > like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and > "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... After successfully upgrading to Beowulf, and after carefully evaluating all the opinions and considerations received (thanks to everyone), I did some experiments... and finally migrated from MATE to LXDE. I am really very happy with the result. I have all the applications and features I need; there are far fewer dependencies; the use of system memory is less; the system is stable and much more responsive; the performance with qemu-kvm virtualization is excellent... System configuration and customization turned out to be less difficult and demanding than I thought. In short, a great general improvement. I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. Thanks again for your support Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp95fJKA9OL6.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Fri, 22 May 2020 21:41:17 -0400 - Steve Litt : > > Trace out, please, the mechanism for how > > specifically that worked, according to you. > > 1. Redhat complexifies Linux. > > 2. People have trouble adminning the new Linux and finding folks >capable of adminning the new Linux. > > 3. People turn to Redhat for training, consultancy, and certs. Indeed. In the past, many IBM hardware was used in many farms (servers, nas, tape libraries etc.), which required optimized systems, configurations and drivers as well as considerable skills and knowledge from system administrators. And paying for the RH subscription (priority in getting fixes and patches, knowledge base etc) was the rule. And many more subscriptions, much more financial value... Now it seems to me that things have changed a bit (new strong competitors, cloud, saas, etc) and RH needs to maintain, in one way or another, the position it has held. And, it seems to me, it is trying to do it in a similar way: unnecessary complexity, very rapid version changes, problematic analysis and debugging etc, which means training, consultancy, and certs, which means financial value... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp4IoesEeT1W.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Fri, 22 May 2020 01:42:46 -0700 - Rick Moen : > C'mon, Didier. Explain please how adoption of systemd in RHEL and > CentOS either gave RHAT a superior competitive market position relative > to other market-relevant Linux distro companies or improved RHAT's > financial strength. Trace out, please, the mechanism for how > specifically that worked, according to you. (Please don't forget that > the codebase in question is open source, ergo you're going to have a > very difficult time asserting proprietary advantage, if that's what > you're thinking.) > > I stand ready to check and verify your financial analysis. > > Ideological handwaves are not an answer to the question posed. Sorry for the intrusion ... But why not the opposite? Why don't you explain why RH invested and is investing in efforts, advocacy and money to develop something (systemd) that was not necessary, and to "convince" everyone to use it? Why don't you prove that this has nothing to do with finding a dominant market position, and that it has nothing to do with direct and indirect economic benefits for RH itself in favor of "investors" and "sponsons" more or less obvious than RH? Why don't you show that all this happens only because RH wants simply to do good for the humanity or for - I don't know what - other positive reasons and/or ethical pushes? Why don't you demonstrate all this objectively and on a non-ideological basis (including, if you wish, possibly economic and progress ideologies)? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpZwJO3ffW_J.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Mon, 18 May 2020 08:57:39 -0700 - Ian Zimmerman : > On 2020-05-18 16:42, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > In particular by porting Window$ on top of Systemd-Gnu-Linux, just > > like MacOS lives on top of FreeBSD and makes big profit. > > How would that work from the legal POV? Linux is still GPL, pretty much > for this very reason. and herein lies the original sin... the GPL (which is not one license but a set of licenses) has three main flaws: - the LGPL license, which has allowed GNU/Linux environmental pollution over time - the lack of a non-commercial mandatory clause in the GPLs - the mistake of confusing 4 simple legal rights with freedom (which is something much broader I think), leading people to remain confined within technical, legal and - above all - economic aspects just my humble opinion Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpw0YTRdYopN.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upto date copy of QGIS ...
Tue, 5 May 2020 22:32:34 +0100 (BST) - Jim Jackson : > Hi, I'm seeking advice. > I need a more upto date version of QGIS, geographical information system, > than is in ASCII - I need a version 3. > > On the QGIS downloads site ... > > https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#linux > > It gives info for adding to sources.list for debian/ubuntu systems. Is > there any chance any of those given would work with Devuan? Sure: debian buster -> devuan beowulf debian jessie -> devuan ascii Looking at: https://qgis.org/debian-ltr/pool/main/q/qgis/ seems the LTR qgis versions are: version 2 for jessie/ascii, version 3 for buster/beowulf... Adding to your sources.list: ~~~ deb https://qgis.org/debian buster main deb-src https://qgis.org/debian buster main ~~~ you could try to install qgis version 3 on ascii, but I dubt you will succeed because of dependencies... Maybe you need to "risk" upgrading to beowulf... I dit it a couple of weeks ago: success!!! I had just to manually fix some minor details related to MATE new (buggy?) version... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpWPATwl43iZ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] beowulf qcow2?
Hi all Please, can anyone tell me if a qemu image is available for beowulf? Otherwise, from where can I download safely the latest official devuan quemu image (I saw that in some of the mirrors there are ASCII 2.0 images... But not sure which one to choose...)? Thanks in advance Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp4F2jh1Fn3H.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] udev errors
Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:48:45 +0900 - Olaf Meeuwissen : > al3xu5 / dotcommon writes: > > > Hi > > > > Examining the system after dis-upgrading from ASCII to Beowulf, I noticed a > > lot of udev errors during boot > > > > I attach the output of `dmesg -l err, warn` at the bottom. > > > > What can be the cause? What is the solution? > > Thanks > > > > Regards > > > > ~~~ > > $ dmesg -l err,warn > > [...] > > [5.540765] udevd[788]: invalid SUBSYSTEM operation > > [5.540787] udevd[788]: invalid rule > > '/etc/udev/rules.d/90-canonscanner.rules:3' > Please move that 90-canonscanner.rules file out of the way and see if > that fixes things. I *think* that invalid rule trigger the cascade of > errors you see. > > I don't see the offending file in any of the Devuan/Debian packages so > assume you installed a Canon provided scanner driver. In that case > Canon really should be fixing this up but you could post the file (here > or over at the sane-devel list) so I can take a look. Olaf, You were right. The problems were caused by `90-canonscanner.rules` which then messed up the rest of the rules causing the cascade of errors. It was an old rule that I had from before the upgrade and that I forgot to remove... I should have understood for myself that the problem was there... So I have now solved and there are no more errors. I apologize for disturbing Thank you very much Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpIF_0hhLQ6N.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] udev errors
Hi
Examining the system after dis-upgrading from ASCII to Beowulf, I noticed a lot
of udev errors during boot
I attach the output of `dmesg -l err, warn` at the bottom.
What can be the cause? What is the solution?
Thanks
Regards
~~~
$ dmesg -l err,warn
[0.005514] ACPI: 2 ACPI AML tables successfully acquired and loaded
[0.574233] mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent variable MTRR settings
[0.590696] ACPI: Executed 3 blocks of module-level executable AML code
[0.728877] ACPI: Enabled 1 GPEs in block 00 to 1F
[1.559123] workingset: timestamp_bits=37 max_order=23 bucket_order=0
[1.669033] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B0F (\SOR1) (20160108/utaddress-255)
[1.669040] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B2F (\SMRG) (20160108/utaddress-255)
[1.669046] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B2F (\_SB.PCI0.SBRG.ASOC.SMRG)
(20160108/utaddress-255)
[5.540765] udevd[788]: invalid SUBSYSTEM operation
[5.540787] udevd[788]: invalid rule
'/etc/udev/rules.d/90-canonscanner.rules:3'
[5.713207] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/bsg/2:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.713262] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/bsg/2:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.717074] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg3/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.717126] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg3/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.723955] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/bsg/3:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.724007] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/bsg/3:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.726052] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg4/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.726104] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg4/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.729749] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.729812] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.733594] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg5/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.733647] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg5/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.760408] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb3/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760411] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb2/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760421] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb2/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760543] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb3/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764638] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb5/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764717] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb6/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764726] udevd[839]: error opening
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Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions [trash icon fix]
Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:53:17 +0100 - al3xu5 / dotcommon : > Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. > > [...] > > 5. Some MATE problems: > > [...] > > 5.2. The trash icon don't work as expected anymore: if the trash can contains > data then the full-trash icon and its label are displayed; when empty, there > isn't any trash icon bau the label is still in place. I suppose this is a > problem with the theme and/or the svg icon being used (but I cannot figure out > which one is among the many svg trash icons in /usr/share/icons ...) I have found a solution. The problem occurs due a rendering issue related to an improper reference in the SVG empty-trash icon /usr/share/icons/gnome-colors-common/scalable/places/user-trash.svg On around line 710 of the svg file there is a reference to `filter:url(#filter3625)` which doesn't exist in this svg file. Deleting that filter reference fixes the problem. see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645368 Regrads -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpVl7eaHU66v.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] couldn't register with accessibility bus in Beowulf (workaround)
Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:06:57 + - Mark Hindley : > I can conform that slim seems to do the right thing at the AT_SPI_BUS is set > and available. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 08:06:22AM +, Daniel Abrecht via Dng wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've had that problem as well. [...] > > > > To me, it seams to be caused by a combination of something `lightdm` does, > > and something `at-spi-bus-launcher` does not do. > > After a login with `lightdm`, the X11 root window has the `AT_SPI_BUS` > > property set (`xprop -root AT_SPI_BUS`), however, it seams the > > `at-spi-bus-launcher`/`at-spi2-registryd` instance which created that > > property does not exist anymore, causing applications to fail to connect to > > it. In addition to this, the presence of that property prevents a new > > instance of `at-spi-bus-launcher` from starting. I had the same issue too after dist-upgrade from ASCII to Beowulf. > > My current workaround is to remove the `AT_SPI_BUS` property, and then start > > `at-spi-bus-launcher` again: > > ``` > > xprop -root -remove AT_SPI_BUS > > /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher & I have added: ~~~ export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 ~~~ in `/etc/environment` and also I have installed `at-spi2-core`. This seems to have blocked the alerts, but I don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve the underlying problem. > Daniel, I get the same results as you with lightdm and your workaround is good > too. Although I don't have to restart the at-spi-bus-launcher process > manually, it is started automatically once a process tries to use it. > The issue seems to be that lightdm starts its own AT_SPI_BUS which is then > killed on login. But the AT_SPI_BUS property isn't removed so that it can be > relaunched in the user's session. This is depsite Debian #760740 being marked > as fixed. Also I am using lightdm (+ MATE). > That bug also suggests another workaround of setting 'xserver-share=false' in > /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf which also seems to work. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that it is similar to the `export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1` workaround. If so the 'xserver-share=false' setting in the lightdm configuration seems to me to be more appropriate. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpidHzgyeK_Z.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:59 + - Mark Hindley : > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:32:44AM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? > > > > Hum... that's what I have: > > > > ~~~ > > $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind > > Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto > > Generazione albero delle dipendenze > > Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto > > I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: > > elogind libelogind0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: > > libsystemd0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: > > elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind > > 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. > > ~~~ > > > > It sounds good... Should I apply? > > Within the limits of my Italian ;), it looks good. Ooops... sorry I neglected to translate or specify... I have run 'apt-get install libpam-elogind': elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind were updated (and libsystemd0 has been removed); but not calf-plugins. > I will have to look further as to why this needs an explicit command. Did you > `apt upgrade' or `apt full-upgrade'? None of this. I did: # apt-get dist-upgrade (as suggested in https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf) Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpIcuLC6Th5V.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:29:28 -0400 - fsmithred : > On 3/22/20 12:53 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. > > > > > Now I have: > > ~~~ > > $ uname -a > > Linux computer0 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian > > 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > You can do one of two things to get the beowulf kernel - either install > linux-image-amd64, which is a metapackage that will always install the > latest available kernel, or you can install the kernel by the full package > name, currently linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64. I am using a -rt-amd64 kernel (for audio-related needs), so the kernel package which I am interested to should be: linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64 I haven't installed it yet because the system is stable and I would like to avoid problems because I'm using it for remote working. I will update the kernel during next ween-end... > If you do the latter, stay alert to when -9 comes out. You won't get it > automatically. If you mean I will need to update it manually, I will do it... > > 2. Having upower installed, I have downgraded upower packages as suggested > > in [1], to avoid problems like bug#394 [2] which seems mainly related to > > cinnamon. But I do not have cinnamon... So what I should do? Downgrade or > > not? If not, how to disable downgrading of those packages? > > Take the downgrade. It's not really a downgrade; it's an upgrade to a > lower-numbered version. (We no longer need to fork upower.) Ah ok. Great. Thanks a lot for your advices. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpc45K9oExsr.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Hi Mark Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:28:21 + - Mark Hindley : > > 1- There is one aspect of the upgrade that I don't think is in place, and > > that I would like to point out: elogind, libelogind0, libpam-elogind have > > not been upgraded; indeed these packages are marked as 'upgradable'. How > > should I manage this situation? > > To help us work out why, what does `apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind > libpam-elogind' produce? See below (calf-plugins also was not upgraded): ~~~ $ apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind calf-plugins libsystemd0: Installato: 241-7~deb10u3 Candidato: 241-7~deb10u3 Tabella versione: 244.3-1~bpo10+1 100 100 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 241-7~deb10u3 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status libelogind0: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status elogind: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status calf-plugins: Installato: 0.0.60-4+b1 Candidato: 0.90.1-2 Tabella versione: 0.90.1-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 0.0.60-4+b1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status ~~~ > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? Hum... that's what I have: ~~~ $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: elogind libelogind0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: libsystemd0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. ~~~ It sounds good... Should I apply? > > 3. Programs with a graphic display started complaining about the warning > > "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: ..." [3][4]. Putting 'export > > NO_AT_BRIDGE=1' in /etc/environment seems to have blocked the alerts. I > > don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve > > the underlying problem. > > They are harmless. But installing at-spi2-core ought to make them disappear. at-spi2-core was already installed... Thanks -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpiOrTs4lxcA.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Hi all Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. Overall, the upgrade appears to have gone well; the process has completed and the system is fully functional. But there are some details (maybe minor issues) I would like to report, also with some questions. Now I have: ~~~ $ uname -a Linux computer0 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux $ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description:Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) Release:3 Codename: beowulf ~~~ 1- There is one aspect of the upgrade that I don't think is in place, and that I would like to point out: elogind, libelogind0, libpam-elogind have not been upgraded; indeed these packages are marked as 'upgradable'. How should I manage this situation? 2. Having upower installed, I have downgraded upower packages as suggested in [1], to avoid problems like bug#394 [2] which seems mainly related to cinnamon. But I do not have cinnamon... So what I should do? Downgrade or not? If not, how to disable downgrading of those packages? 3. Programs with a graphic display started complaining about the warning "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: ..." [3][4]. Putting 'export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1' in /etc/environment seems to have blocked the alerts. I don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve the underlying problem. 4. After the upgrade, gtk has lost the font configuration, meaning that gtk applications had a generic sans font with an almost illegible minimum size. I suppose it's due to a change in the gtk theme. I solved it by manually setting font and size using Gtk-ChTheme. 5. Some MATE problems: 5.1. MATE shows a very *huge* amount of errors in .xsession-errors 5.2. The trash icon don't work as expected anymore: if the trash can contains data then the full-trash icon and its label are displayed; when empty, there isn't any trash icon bau the label is still in place. I suppose this is a problem with the theme and/or the svg icon being used (but I cannot figure out which one is among the many svg trash icons in /usr/share/icons ...) 5.3. MATE (1.20.4) has changed its default typeface which now is the *ugly* Cantarell, as used in Gnome 3 [5]. Since I don't really like Cantarell, I had to manually revert default MATE fonts to DejaVu... Please let me know your suggestions. Regards -- [1] https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf [2] https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=394 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1056820 [4] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/532585/getting-dbind-warnings-about-registering-with-the-accessibility-bus [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantarell_(typeface) -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpHQ0_PrYhUv.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
25/02/2020 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon : > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? First of all I would like to thank you all for the many interesting and useful answers. As I mentioned, my desire is to have a highly usable, easily configurable, stable over time UI. The problem is that I don't have much time available to implement a highly customized solution: for this reason I have been using MATE since its early releases (to avoid gnome3) and I can't decide to change. Someone asked why wanting to change MATE, the reason is the concern of being sooner or later "forced" to do so in case MATE evolves too much in directions that do not seem "appropriate" to me (systemd oriented deps, freedesktop / gnome3 "external" deps, wayland etc.) ... I have read the release notes for MATE 1.24 [1] and the roadmap [2] and some things seemed worrying to me: - they say "If your system doesn't, uh, support systemd [...]" uh ??? why uh ??? - they are going to: "Add support for AccountsService" "Complete support for systemd-logind" "Add support for Wayland" However, keeping in mind the advices I received from all you, I did some quick tests using a VM. The ideal for me would certainly be a pure openbox WM. But at the moment it would take me too long to arrive at a satisfactory configuration such as usability and pleasantness, in addition to the effort to change many of my habits ... I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has openbox but it is faster to configure and more "close" in use for those who come from a different "ready-made" DM... For now I am continuing to use MATE ... Soon I will do the upgrade ASCII -> Beowulf and then decide what to do... In the meantime, it would be useful for me to understand better if my concerns about MATE are sensible or are just some form of paranoia ... I thank those who want to give me an opinion on this. Regards [1] https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2020-02-10-mate-1-24-released/ [2] https://wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!pages/roadmap.md pgp4DNpDXUkMf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Which DE?
Hi all I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long experiments)? Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Thanks in advance -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpTf8IKehFnR.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Clean install of ascii: / is huge ~ 40gb
13/02/2020 19:33:27 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist : > Traversing / directly like that is not a good idea. Rather do: > > # mount -obind / /mnt > # du -sh /mnt/* > > so that you traverse the root file system without traversing all special > mounts (/proc, /sys etc) > > Thenn you'll do > # umount /mnt Indeed... On my updated 2.1 ASCII machine (with MATE desktop) and a lot of packages installed, I have / with a total of about 9GB: ~~~ 18M /mnt/bin 29M /mnt/boot 12K /mnt/dev 13M /mnt/etc 4,0K/mnt/home 220M/mnt/lib 5,0M/mnt/lib32 4,0K/mnt/lib64 5,6M/mnt/libx32 16K /mnt/lost+found 48K /mnt/media 4,0K/mnt/mnt 850M/mnt/opt 4,0K/mnt/proc 4,0K/mnt/root 4,0K/mnt/run 14M /mnt/sbin 16K /mnt/srv 4,0K/mnt/sys 16K /mnt/tmp 7,9G/mnt/usr 392K/mnt/var (some special dirs omitted) ~~~ > > On 2020-02-13 03:26, Owen wrote: > >> > >> The / partition was set as 40gb to be safe but today an "apt-get upgrade" > >> failed due to lack of space: > >> > >> I've increased / to 60gb but I was never expecting it to ever get past > >> 10gb. So, this is strange... Maybe checking disk usage as above could help. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpbGU7kos2cU.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Hyperbola is ditching the Linux kernel...
Hi I would like to point out an announcement from the Hyperbola website, which I think may be interesting to report here mainly for the reasons they highlight about future choices (see in particular the part 'Reasons for this ...' at the end of the text ... ). Regards https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap/ Due to the Linux kernel rapidly proceeding down an unstable path, we are planning on implementing a completely new OS derived from several BSD implementations . This was not an easy decision to make, but we wish to use our time and resources to create a viable alternative to the current operating system trends which are actively seeking to undermine user choice and freedom . This will not be a “distro” , but a hard fork of the OpenBSD kernel and userspace including new code written under GPLv3 and LGPLv3 to replace GPL-incompatible [0] parts and non-free ones [1]. Reasons for this include: - Linux kernel forcing adaption of DRM, including HDCP [2]. - Linux kernel proposed usage of Rust [3] (which contains freedom flaws [4] and a centralized code repository that is more prone to cyber attack and generally requires internet access to use.) - Linux kernel being written without security and in mind. (KSPP is basically a dead project and Grsec is no longer free software) - Many GNU userspace and core utils are all forcing adaption of features without build time options to disable them. E.g. (PulseAudio [5] / SystemD / Rust [6] / Java [7] as forced dependencies) [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses [1] https://notabug.org/jadedctrl/libertybsd-scripts-mirror/issues/5 [2] https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10084131/ [3] https://lwn.net/Articles/797828/ [4] https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:rusts_freedom_flaws [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659338 [6] https://www.infoworld.com/article/3165424/mozilla-binds-firefoxs-fate-to-the-rust-language.html [7] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem_id=57217 -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpxBLK9xuam5.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem installing Devuan-ascii
24/10/2019 11:19:14 -0400 Hendrik Boom : > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:04:36AM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: [...] > > I suggest you could create partitions *before* the installing process, using > > a "live" tool such is: > > https://gparted.org/livecd.php > > > > Then install using these partitions. > > That's likely a valid workaround. > But is there perhaps a problem with the ascii installer? I did not use the installer on my main machine, as have I upgraded directly from jessie... When I have installed ascii on my sister's machine, a lot of time ago, I remember it worked... But the ascii installed may be was a different version than the actual... Not sure... More recently, I have installed ascii also creating partitions on two different machines (uefi bios), without any problem. But different systems could have different issues... Using a good "live" tool just for partitioning might help you to find which is the problem in your case (and if it is related to the installer or not)... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpPTYSzAC3R4.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem installing Devuan-ascii
Hi Robert 14/10/2019 15:38:36 +0700 Robert Parker : > My several attempts at installing this on a desktop amd machine in legacy > mode do nothing but take me to a grub prompt. > Examining the result using system-rescue-cd reveal that no useable > partitions were created during the install. > > I have made a new install of xubuntu-18.04.3, partitioned the way I want. > Email from a successful user of Devuan tells me that he installed his > Devuan over the top of a Ubuntu system which was partitioned the way he > wanted it. Is this possible? I suggest you could create partitions *before* the installing process, using a "live" tool such is: https://gparted.org/livecd.php Then install using these partitions. > After 10 years of happy use of ubuntu variants, somewhere between systemd > and the snap software installer garbage, ubuntu has been converted into a > bigger POS than Windows. Unfortunately, you are right IMHO Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpt58LcoYBWw.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Future of gNewSense: Debian or Devuan?
Il giorno sabato 03/08/2019 12:36:10 -0300 pekman ha scritto: > I think GNewSense is welcome. > > Devuan will be a great basis for your development. The work to do is > not complex. I myself was able to remove all Non-Free Software on my > own and install Linux Libre bundled with Jason Self. That sounds very interesting indeed. Could you please give details of these procedures? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpADaSz5jkji.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Future of gNewSense: Debian or Devuan?
Il giorno giovedì 01/08/2019 12:26:02 -0400 Steve Litt ha scritto: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:29:39 +0200 > Narcis Garcia wrote: > > > Missatge reenviat > > Assumpte: Re: [gNewSense-users] Stepping down > > Data: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:45:32 +0200 > > De: Sam Geeraerts > > A: gnewsense-us...@nongnu.org > > > > On 29/07/19 17:10, Will Hill wrote: > > > It would probably be easier to take non free software out of Devuan > > > than it is to take Systemd out of Debian, so I'll be happy if > > > gNewSense continues the easy way. > > > > Indeed, at least technically. If there's anyone here who knows some > > Devuan people it would be interesting to hear from him/her. > > There's not enough context here to understand, [...] Hi I was a gnewsense user (and a contributor to the website documentation also) in the past. [0] [0] http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/HomePage gnewsense was one of the first distributions listed among the "Free GNU/Linux distributions" which follow the FSF's "Free System Distribution Guidelines (GNU FSDG)". This means they include, and propose, exclusively free software, rejecting nonfree applications, nonfree programming platforms, nonfree drivers, nonfree firmware “blobs”, nonfree games, and any other nonfree software, as well as nonfree manuals or documentation. [1] [1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html The last gnewsense release was 4.0 of May 2016, derived from Debian (platforms: i386, amd64, Lemote Yeelong) but with a Linux-libre kernel and only with libre packages (using a "Builder" script to remove nonfree software). [2] [2] https://savannah.nongnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=8535 About ten days ago (Jul 23), Sam Geeraerts announced the gnewsense-dev mailing list that it has decided to step down as the maintainer of gNewSense. [3] [3] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-dev/2019-07/msg0.html Therefore, I think I understand that the actual "gnewsense context" is: - find a new manteiner, and contributors - restart development to produce a new updated version - decide which distribution to base on for the future The quoted message above come from the gnewsense-users mailing list [4], where there is some discussion about which base distribution gnewsense should adopt in the future. [4] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2019-07/msg00011.html It seems to me the discussion is just about technicals details they need to know to decide how to move on. > Anyway, if this is a suggestion to yank all nonfree out of Devuan and > call it something else, that's fine with me. As a matter of fact, > Devuan could slowly, selectively and judiciously make the same > substitutions as the child distro. +1 -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp1FSKkJuPkz.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] usb automount
Il giorno giovedì 18/07/2019 20:31:20 +0200 Andreas Messer ha scritto: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 08:16:31PM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Please I need your help. > > > > I have installed a fresh ASCII on a small barebone pc to be used as audio > > server. Using MATE and lightdm. > > > > I have also installed some multimedia stuff and apt updated & upgraded > > packages. > > > > When I plug any usb stick as normal user, it is not automounted and I get a > > 'not authorized to perform operation' error; I can mount the stick manually > > as root (sudo). > > > > Which is the problem? Any idea? > > Could you please check if you have installed: > > libpam-elogind > elogind > libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 > > If not, install these packages, log out and in again. Should work > afterwards I missed the libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 package (maybe because it conflicts with mate-power-manager, which is not needed being mate-power-manager-common enough). So, now usb automount is back! Thank you a lot Andreas. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp6tiQ2hGz3n.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] usb automount
Please I need your help. I have installed a fresh ASCII on a small barebone pc to be used as audio server. Using MATE and lightdm. I have also installed some multimedia stuff and apt updated & upgraded packages. When I plug any usb stick as normal user, it is not automounted and I get a 'not authorized to perform operation' error; I can mount the stick manually as root (sudo). Which is the problem? Any idea? Thanks in advance -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpKYdTaBhj6k.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to reply for Steve Litt
Il giorno giovedì 23/05/2019 20:07:17 -0400 Steve Litt ha scritto: > On Thu, 23 May 2019 15:21:30 -0700 > Rick Moen wrote: > > [snip] > > My claws-mail has a reply-to-list, which *usually* does the right thing My cent in this regard... At the ML side: - dng ML user configuration (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/dng) has the 'Avoid duplicate copies of messages?' option which could be set ON At the user side, claws-mail (IMO the best available email client) is great handling MLs [1]: - has a Reply-to-list feature (needs the ML has been configured (by admins) to send the 'List-Id:' header, as is with the dng ML) - let users to perform a Reply-to-list when receiving ML emails in digest mode with respect to _each_ single message in the digest (needs MIME digests has been activated in the ML user configuration) - let user to define 'actions' to run terminal commands with emails... - let user to define filtering and pre and/or post processing rules... and more [1]: - let user complete control over spam management (official plugin) - handle signed and/or encripted emails (PGP/GPG and S/MIME) (official plugin) - multiple accounts and both mailbox and mbox formats are supported - ... I am sending this message with claws-mail, from one of my several email accounts, selecting the message to which to reply from the digest, signing the reply with GnuPG directly in the compose windows, and using reply-to-list to send... Regards [1] https://www.claws-mail.org/features.php -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgplSnVfwXD2v.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] systemd0, login/elogind, udev/eudev, dbus
w I should manage dbus and this situation? Thank you in advance. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp57lnq8vlcT.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New application ready to test: hopman
Il giorno mercoledì 24/04/2019 01:24:09 +1000 wirelessd...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > On 24 Apr 2019, at 01:06, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >> Le 23/04/2019 à 13:22, Edward Bartolo via Dng a écrit : > >> Making it a Debian package should be easy. Use dh_make to create a [snip] > May I suggest looking at this reference? Apologies if you have already seen > it. > > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html [snip] Hi Let me suggest also this tutorial last updated 2019-03-13: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpymNv0AvFsJ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
Il giorno venerdì 12/04/2019 10:41:53 +0200 Antony Stone ha scritto: > On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I suggest we pass the following resolution: > > [cut] > Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote > "freedom of init choice"? [cut] > Functionally they come down to the same thing, but I think a positive phrase > is better than a negative one. Hi that's what I suggest, partly agreeing with Antony (I suggest using both, positive first and negative later but explaining) and also thinking it should be better to emphatize more the "human", "social" and "freedom" aspects: At Devuan we favor the advantages for individual users and communities of people, over economic benefits for corporations. We seek to make life fun for all users, developers, caretakers and contributors, promoting freedom of init choice within the overarching umbrella of delivering systemd-free GNU/Linux systems in order to preserve simplicity, modularity and interoperability. ======= Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp9SrZ35sqPL.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
Il giorno giovedì 11/04/2019 13:27:08 +0200 Edward Bartolo ha scritto: > It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his > replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was > that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use. What's surprising about this? Perhaps that corporations like Micosoft or RedHat and others, that sell licenses or support fees at high prices, take some responsibility whatever the outcome of their systems? > Any invester will definitely make a lot of effort to avoid such a > possibility that can ruin one's business, as confidence is a very > determinant variable in economics. investors? business? economics? All this is not (or should not, at least I hope) Devuan! I and other people here and out in the world, contributing and/or simply using Devuan systems, we should essentially be interested in safeguarding the principles (technical, ethics etc.) for which Devuan was born. Otherwise what would be the meaning of the Debian fork that is Devuan??? Investors, business, economics are what mainly keeps me (and I hope many more) as far away as possible from Debian, RedHat and many other corporations... These are the same things that would also make DDD equal to others. > This simple principle does not need > a degree in economics to understand. Maybe as well as the disinterested collaboration and the mutual exchange of ideas and support are difficult concepts to understand for those who cannot think if not in "economic" terms... > Although, I was not present in the conferences, I can imagine what was > the problem. That prank was completely misplaced: as someone replied, > one does not joke with security. But in this case security has nothing to do with it, and it was very clear and evident that there was never any problem whatsoever: only corporate interests (and individual paranoia and bullying, maybe involuntary) were involved. The reality has been distorted. I renew full confidence in KatolaZ and Devuan veterans crew, hoping that Devuan will continue as done so far, keeping any economic interest as far as possible. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp84EODwdxfh.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
