Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
It's on my to-do list to give this a shot again but my available free time is constrained by family priorities. If nothing else, I'll slowly plug away at it as time permits. On April 14, 2017 4:04:06 AM CDT, "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: ::On 08.03.2017 18:59, goli...@dyne.org wrote: :: ::> Me either and many others on this list - there have been several ::> pulseaudio threads on dng over the years. But that is not the point. :: ::> Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it ::will ::> be unusable for most of us. So this is a heads up that someone will ::> have to step forward to do this if it is not worked out upstream. ::Care ::> to take that on? :: ::Somebody here who already went through the hell of compiling and ::packaging FF from upstream sources ? :: :: ::--mtx :: ::___ ::Dng mailing list ::Dng@lists.dyne.org ::https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Sent from a Mobile device.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 09.03.2017 07:45, KatolaZ wrote:
> I have made a quick search, and it seems that the problem is, again,
> in the fact that people prefer overkills to simple solutions.
Yeah, they invented their own private "cross platform API" - as there
wouldn't already be enough out there, that just could be used.
OTOH, having an own video streaming within the browser (the same
silliness in chrome) also is just making everything complicated.
They just could have used gstreamer and get hw decoding for free.
> Midori (aside with many other browsers) is using XBEL, an XML format to
> store bookmarks, which was introduced not because another file format
> for bookmarks was needed, but rather to showcase the abilities of the
> PyXML module (google "XBEL bookmarks" to find out more details about
> this unbelievable yet interesting story...).
These folks could just sit together and design an browser agnostic
bookmarks library and let everybody pick the backend he wants.
Could even be done as an small 9P service.
> And it seems that the main developer of Midori finds it quite
> complicated (sic!) to transform a Netscape (html) bookmark files (or
> any other bookmark format, for that matter) into XBEL. There you
> go. You can still export your bookmarks into html format and browse
> that file :\
What's so complicated w/ netscape html bookmarks ?
> The reason why one wants to use XML to store bookmarks still defies my
> very primitive logic, though, since implementing a tag-based bookmark
> systems requires 28 lines of shell script (attached below), of which
> only 9 contain actual shell code...
Maybe, because that would be too easy ? :o
> #!/bin/sh
>
> ##
> ## Simple script to manage bookmarks
> ##
> ## If run without arguments, provide a dmenu list of current
> ## bookmarks, and paste the selection to the primary
> ## clipboard. Otherwise, add a new bookmark, and set the
> ## decription/tag to the arguments provided on the command
> ## line.
> ##
> ## KatolaZ -- 2015
> ##
>
> BKFILE=$(realpath "${HOME}/.surf/bookmarks.txt")
>
>
> if [ $# -ge 1 ]; then
> ## adding a new bookmark from the primary selection
> URL=$(xclip -o)
> echo "${URL} | $@" >> ${BKFILE}
> else
> ## Searching the bookmark file...
> ## Get an URI
> SEL=$(cat ${BKFILE} | dmenu -l 5)
> ##echo "Selected: ${SEL}"
>
> URL=$(echo "${SEL}" | cut -d "|" -f 1)
> echo "${URL}" | xclip -f
> fi
hmm, looks like a nice addition to the surf package.
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 08.03.2017 19:30, KatolaZ wrote: > "...WE ARE THE BORG. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS. WE > WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR > OWN. YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..." We all know the borg can be defeated. Actually, they offer a lot of other attack vectors that never had been played out in the shows. --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 08.03.2017 18:59, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Me either and many others on this list - there have been several > pulseaudio threads on dng over the years. But that is not the point. > Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it will > be unusable for most of us. So this is a heads up that someone will > have to step forward to do this if it is not worked out upstream. Care > to take that on? Somebody here who already went through the hell of compiling and packaging FF from upstream sources ? --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Golinux wrote: > This is a follow up to this old thread: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > According to this post on FDN - > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on > linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." > (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian does not. > Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet change Mozilla's > mind. Yeah, right . . . > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . apulse has been mentioned here before. I haven't tested it much, but the GoboLinux developers have found it good enough to include in their latest build, announcing # Inclusion of APulse 0.1.9 as a replacement for PulseAudio (required by Firefox 52.0) https://github.com/gobolinux/LiveCD/releases/download/016.01_beta/GoboLinux-016.01-beta-x86_64.iso -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 2017-03-11 11:05, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi, On 09/03/17 04:33, goli...@dyne.org wrote: This is a follow up to this old thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html There are lots of problems with Firefox, it seems that they actually hate their users; but I am still a user today add-ons are being destroyed, developer after developer keeps on throwing in the towel. Anyway, I read this post [1], it suggests using apulse to work around this issue -- can we have apulse with Devuan? It might be the answer, for FF, it appears to be PA, but underneath, we can still use ALSA. [1] http://fossforce.com/2017/03/webassembly-comes-firefox/#comment-21054 Kind Regards AndrewM There is hope on the apulse front! This just posted over at FDN today: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=639534#p639534 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
> A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response. > It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif. I used a small tiny server called nweb for this, that only listened on localhost. Had it return nothing, so that the browser is happy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Am 2017-03-14 12:34, schrieb Brad Campbell: +10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one instance does the whole house :) I agree, privoxy is really fine. I consider using it for my old Asus eeePC. This netbook is a bit too slow with chromium. But there is one problem and I don't know at the moment how to solve it: I'm using "Proxy SwitchyOmega" to use TOR on some sites (I don't want social networks to store my ip on every posted message). So I have rules to route some traffic over TOR and other goes direct to inet. Privoxy can also forward traffic to TOR, but my knowledge is that this forwarding cannot be domain-based. Any ideas, how I could use surf and route traffic domain based through Privoxy+TOR or Privoxy+DirectConnection? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 14/03/17 19:19, m wrote: hi there, do u know privoxy? its a filtering proxy :-) m. +10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one instance does the whole house :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
hi there, do u know privoxy? its a filtering proxy :-) m. On March 13, 2017 10:13:07 PM CET, Steve Litt wrote: >On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:05 +0100 >Rob van der Putten wrote: > >> Hi there >> >> >> On 12/03/17 16:49, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >> >> > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of >> > unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? >> >> A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response. >> It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif. > >How do you do that? > >SteveT > >Steve Litt >March 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? >http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here (Alessandro Selli)
On 170313-12:11+0900, Hughe Chung wrote: > Hi, > > I just sent a feedback. > Pls. give us the link to your report. Thank you! > > Hi, > > > > I'm writing it on Firefox 51.0. > > > > "Require PulseAudio to play sound on Linux" This is a false claim. > > > > There are Linux users who do not use PluseAudio instead they use ALSA, > > which is the backend of PluseAudio. PluseAudio had created many issues > > especially performance. > > > > I was upset about loosing sound after installation of Firefox 52.0. I don't > > want to install PulseAudio in Devuan Linux system at all. Why should I? > > It's disturbing trend that some FOSS organization create false claim to > justify their new decision that breaks Linux system at the core. > > I gotta start hunting a reliable web browser that supports WebGL and > handles Korean and English. > > Regards, -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Am 2017-03-13 22:13, schrieb Steve Litt: A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response. It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif. How do you do that? You can use pixelserv on some machine in your network that is always on, or simply run it on localhost. https://www.snbforums.com/threads/pixelserv-a-better-one-pixel-webserver-for-adblock.26114/ Here is a solution for Tomato routers: http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/script-clean-lean-and-mean-adblocking.68464/ Another nice adblocking solution is privoxy with the easylist filters. https://projects.zubr.me/wiki/adblock2privoxy ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:46:05 +0100 Rob van der Putten wrote: > Hi there > > > On 12/03/17 16:49, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of > > unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? > > A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response. > It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif. How do you do that? SteveT Steve Litt March 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Hi there On 12/03/17 16:49, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response. It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif. Regards, Rob ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 2017-03-13 03:59, Joachim Fahrner wrote: Am 2017-03-12 19:10, schrieb goli...@dyne.org: Can any of these alternative adblocking tools block elements within a page? AdblockPlus allows for that and I use it almost every day. What do you mean with "elements wihin a page"? Every ad is loaded through a url, and if the host of this url is blocked, the url cannot load. Regards Jochen 'Elements' are not necessarily ads but internal parts of a page that I may not want to see - sliders, footers, background images, bells and whistles etc. I nuke them all with Adblock's 'select an element to hide' feature or stylish. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
goli...@dyne.org wrote on 03/08/2017 11:33 AM: > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on > linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." > (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) Seamonkey used to be a thing: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I thought it had been killed off years ago but seems to have had a release in December of 2016. Sound works out of the box with ALSA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Am 2017-03-12 19:10, schrieb goli...@dyne.org: Can any of these alternative adblocking tools block elements within a page? AdblockPlus allows for that and I use it almost every day. What do you mean with "elements wihin a page"? Every ad is loaded through a url, and if the host of this url is blocked, the url cannot load. Regards Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here (Alessandro Selli)
Hi, I just sent a feedback. > Hi, > > I'm writing it on Firefox 51.0. > > "Require PulseAudio to play sound on Linux" This is a false claim. > > There are Linux users who do not use PluseAudio instead they use ALSA, which > is the backend of PluseAudio. PluseAudio had created many issues especially > performance. > > I was upset about loosing sound after installation of Firefox 52.0. I don't > want to install PulseAudio in Devuan Linux system at all. Why should I? It's disturbing trend that some FOSS organization create false claim to justify their new decision that breaks Linux system at the core. I gotta start hunting a reliable web browser that supports WebGL and handles Korean and English. Regards,___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 2017-03-12 12:36, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 04:33:23PM +, Daniel Abrecht wrote: On 03/12/2017 03:49 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:55:27 +1100 > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>> Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I >>> found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: >>> >>> Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" >> The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. >> >> They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad >> stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with >> that in place of Adblock (any variant). > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? I'm using the block lists from Pi-hole on my local DNS Server, which has the benefit that I don't need to install an AD-blocker on each of my devices. Namely. I still don't see why one should have a different ad-blocker embedded into each broswer. A simple all-round solution is reported, for instance, among the add-ons to surf: http://surf.suckless.org/files/adblock-hosts KatolaZ Can any of these alternative adblocking tools block elements within a page? AdblockPlus allows for that and I use it almost every day. gilinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 04:33:23PM +, Daniel Abrecht wrote: > On 03/12/2017 03:49 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:55:27 +1100 > > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > > >>> Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I > >>> found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: > >>> > >>> Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" > >> The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. > >> > >> They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad > >> stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with > >> that in place of Adblock (any variant). > > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted > > sites in /etc/hosts ? > I'm using the block lists from Pi-hole on my local DNS Server, which has > the benefit that I don't need to install an AD-blocker on each of my > devices. > > Namely. I still don't see why one should have a different ad-blocker embedded into each broswer. A simple all-round solution is reported, for instance, among the add-ons to surf: http://surf.suckless.org/files/adblock-hosts even if it is not just for surf. Browser developers (and vendors) have forced us to believe that a browser should be able to brush your teeth and bake you a cake in order to be considered "a proper one", and we didn't dare to disprove that lie. Many among us moan that systemd has become a hog which is putting its nose where it shouldn't, but do you know that there are FF add-ons for "Gnome Shell Integration": https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-shell-integration/?src=hp-dl-upandcoming which boast also a full support for "...corresponding extensions repository https://extensions.gnome.org";??? Oh, c'mon... KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 03/12/2017 03:49 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:55:27 +1100 > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>> Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I >>> found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: >>> >>> Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" >> The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. >> >> They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad >> stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with >> that in place of Adblock (any variant). > Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted > sites in /etc/hosts ? I'm using the block lists from Pi-hole on my local DNS Server, which has the benefit that I don't need to install an AD-blocker on each of my devices. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:55:27 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I > > found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: > > > > Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" > > The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. > > They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad > stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with > that in place of Adblock (any variant). Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? Cheers, Ron. -- Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 12/03/17 21:49, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I > found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: > > Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with that in place of Adblock (any variant). Cheers A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 12/03/17 07:02, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > Andrew McGlashan [03/11/2017 06:15 PM]: > >> Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my >> best choice for email. > > Check out FossaMail, by the PaleMoon developers. Yes I've got that one in mind but not yet. Thanks A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Il 09/03/2017 17:21, Alessandro Selli ha scritto: > Il giorno Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:14:56 -0500 > Hendrik Boom ha scritto: > >> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:47:00PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>> Il 08/03/2017 18:33, goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: This is a follow up to this old thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html According to this post on FDN - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . golinux >>> I was about to write a similar message, as I just found out about the >>> new "feature" the hard way. >>> In the short term I think I'm going to switch to midori. >> I haven't gotten midori to work in a satisfying way. >> There are a few sticking points: >> >> How do you import bookmarks from firefox? > Is this is an(other) issue with Firefox, or is it just Midori that cannot > import JSON bookmarks? Well, it was way easier than I anticipated: [Firefox] Show All Bookmarks -> Import and Backup -> Export Bookmarks to HTML... -> Name: bookmarks.html [Midori] Menu -> Import Bookmarks -> Application: Import from XBEL or HTML file -> Import Bookmarks -> bookmarks.html -> Open Done. Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" Cookie-manager "List, view and delete cookies" Cookie-permissions "Manage cookie permission per site" Nojs "Manage javascript permissions per site" Statusbar-features "Easily toggle features on web pages on and off" Shortcuts "View and edit keyboard shortcuts" Addons "Support for userscripts and userstyles" More than enough. -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave PGP/GPG key: B7FD89FD ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Andrew McGlashan [03/11/2017 06:15 PM]: > Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my > best choice for email. Check out FossaMail, by the PaleMoon developers. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 2017-03-11 11:05, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi, On 09/03/17 04:33, goli...@dyne.org wrote: This is a follow up to this old thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html There are lots of problems with Firefox, it seems that they actually hate their users; but I am still a user today add-ons are being destroyed, developer after developer keeps on throwing in the towel. Anyway, I read this post [1], it suggests using apulse to work around this issue -- can we have apulse with Devuan? It might be the answer, for FF, it appears to be PA, but underneath, we can still use ALSA. [1] http://fossforce.com/2017/03/webassembly-comes-firefox/#comment-21054 Kind Regards AndrewM ___ Thanks for posting that link! apulse was first suggested on this list as a replacement back in 2014 but nobody ever took on the task of making it happen: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141224.171326.c71551af.en.html Maybe now that FF has jumped the shark, there will be some action on this front. I have no doubt that many of us would appreciate a FF apulse-compatible version in the devuan repos to keep FF on life-support as we transition to other browser options. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
btw Palemoon might be the best way to keep add-ons functional that were meant for FF. but the exiting developers aren't mentioning Palemoon as an alternative. :( Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my best choice for email. Grrr, Mozilaa is too focused on the wrong things, at least that's what I think. A signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Hi, On 09/03/17 04:33, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > This is a follow up to this old thread: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html There are lots of problems with Firefox, it seems that they actually hate their users; but I am still a user today add-ons are being destroyed, developer after developer keeps on throwing in the towel. Anyway, I read this post [1], it suggests using apulse to work around this issue -- can we have apulse with Devuan? It might be the answer, for FF, it appears to be PA, but underneath, we can still use ALSA. [1] http://fossforce.com/2017/03/webassembly-comes-firefox/#comment-21054 Kind Regards AndrewM signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 19:07:42 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <2017031742.ga2...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 06:44:59PM -0500, in discussion on > firefox, alsa, pulseaudio and Devuan, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Devuan is Linux, Linux is free software, and the Android OS, > > whatever it's called, is definitely not free software. Your > > response would be more ontopic on an Android list. > > I understand the political reasons for rejecting pulseaudio. I > understand the risk that it contribute to the systemdification of the > Linux world. > > But let me hope that there are also technical arguments against it > as a piece of software that exists now, as opposed to what it ws a > few years ago and what it may execresce into in a few years. ..here, you flip "tech merit" on its head, pulseaudio made it into "Linux" because we were too damned naive, just like the train loads of Jews enroute to Auschwitz, "Gas us??? Then why the fuck did the Gestapo boss throw my 95 year old Great Grand parents off the boat in Oslo for 'health reasons'"? That makes no sense!"... ..what did make sense to the Nazis, was save on guard manpower by using common sense or common decency to trick the train loads of Jews into not rioting, but "wait and see what happens in Auschwitz." ..all it took, was flip "tech merit" etc common sense, on its head. > Presumably these have been summed up somewhere on the web. > > -- hendrik -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 19:07:42 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 06:44:59PM -0500, in discussion on > firefox, alsa, pulseaudio and Devuan, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Devuan is Linux, Linux is free software, and the Android OS, > > whatever it's called, is definitely not free software. Your > > response would be more ontopic on an Android list. > > I understand the political reasons for rejecting pulseaudio. I > understand the risk that it contribute to the systemdification of the > Linux world. > > But let me hope that there are also technical arguments against it > as a piece of software that exists now, as opposed to what it ws a > few years ago and what it may execresce into in a few years. > > Presumably these have been summed up somewhere on the web. > > -- hendrik My technical reason is that every time I have no sound with a Pulseaudio encumbered system, all I have to do is uninstall Pulseaudio, tell my apps to use ALSA, and remove any mutes from Alsamixer, and bang, sound. My technical reason is also that Pulse is too much complication for too little benefit. Also, if I see a programmer create one fiasco (systemd), I'm not about to find out if another (pulseaudio) is equally as fiascical. My response that you quote above was to somebody who gayly proclaimed that HE don't need no dam sound on a desktop because HE uses his corporate owned smartphone for that. Well, I'm not a bit ashamed of the fact that I DO listen to music on my desktop, which I did today in both VLC and Surf. And I have no plans to relinquish my music, or any of my computing, to something with an OS I can't get root on, and that I can't type 50 words per minute on. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 06:44:59PM -0500, in discussion on firefox, alsa, pulseaudio and Devuan, Steve Litt wrote: > > Devuan is Linux, Linux is free software, and the Android OS, whatever > it's called, is definitely not free software. Your response would be > more ontopic on an Android list. I understand the political reasons for rejecting pulseaudio. I understand the risk that it contribute to the systemdification of the Linux world. But let me hope that there are also technical arguments against it as a piece of software that exists now, as opposed to what it ws a few years ago and what it may execresce into in a few years. Presumably these have been summed up somewhere on the web. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:57:34 -0600 Vince Mulhollon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > > > Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it > > will be unusable for most of us. > > > Now wait a minute, this is just sound, right, I haven't used sound on > a desktop in years, that seems to be a "podcast on my phone" or > "music on my phone" thing. How nice for you! Devuan is Linux, Linux is free software, and the Android OS, whatever it's called, is definitely not free software. Your response would be more ontopic on an Android list. SteveT Steve Litt February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
> > > > According to this post on FDN - > > > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > > > > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > > > > > > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > > > > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > > > > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) So far no one has mentioned Palemoon: do we know if they are continuing to support alsa? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Il giorno Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:14:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom ha scritto: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:47:00PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > Il 08/03/2017 18:33, goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > > > This is a follow up to this old thread: > > > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > > > > > According to this post on FDN - > > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > > > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > > > > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > > > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > > > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > > > > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian > > > does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet > > > change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . > > > > > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . > > > > > > golinux > > > > I was about to write a similar message, as I just found out about the > > new "feature" the hard way. > > In the short term I think I'm going to switch to midori. > > I haven't gotten midori to work in a satisfying way. > There are a few sticking points: > > How do you import bookmarks from firefox? Is this is an(other) issue with Firefox, or is it just Midori that cannot import JSON bookmarks? > How, when you get a directory listing from a directory on your own > hard drive, do you get it sorted in some kind of sensible order? > Exploring my own file system in the browser is a pain without this. Sorry, cannot help: I don't use browsers to manage the filesystem. > Where is the documentation? Is there any? http://midori-browser.org/contribute/#documentation_resources > Is there even a mailing list? Or a user forum? They use IRC: http://midori-browser.org/contribute/ Join IRC chat rooms Join #midori on Freenode or use webchat to talk about Midori, discuss bugs and new ideas. > Raising questions on the > github site just gets me an offputting uninformative reply. > > -- hendrik > >> >> I read about this change in several places, Arch and Gentoo have builds >> that re-enable Alsa. > > Can we use the fruits of their expertise? Probably, but it's going to be a temporary fix, as the Alsa code is going to be removed from FF. I am of the idea time is ripe to go forward and leave FF behind to rust. I agree, for even more reasons than this guy lists, to what I read here: https://www.andyhalford.com/ «If you are here looking for any of my add-ons (SyncPlaces, SortPlaces, CheckPlaces or SearchPlaces) then I'm sad to inform you that these are no longer available. «Unfortunately I do not have the time or the motivation to continue to support these in light of the organisation that Mozilla has become. Apparently spending 1000's of hours promoting their products and providing add-ons to fill the gaps in their product and repair bookmarks destroyed by Firefox Sync, counts for little and does not deserve any flexibility or support from them. Whatever they may claim, add-on developers are actually second-class citizens that are seen as obstructing the development of Firefox. Surprising, as many like myself believe that add-ons are the main USP of Firefox. I've seen many popular and useful add-ons die as authors give up trying to keep up with their constant changes or just get hacked-off with their holier than thou treatment. The stats appear to reflect this misjudgement as the use of Firefox is in decline, no doubt driven in part by users moving away as their favourite add-ons disappear, or former add-on authors suggest alternatives to family, friends, and colleagues. «My decision was taken after a series of problems with them the last one being the final straw. I will not be answering any further emails on this matter as I do not wish to waste any more of my time on this. Also, as I no longer wish in any way to promote Mozilla's products, I will not be hosting or providing these extensions to anyone. «Thanks for all the emails of support. Unfortunately, too many to respond to individually. Thanks also for the many positive suggestions as to where my time and effort may be more appreciated and I am already investigating several of these.» -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:14:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[cut]
> >
> > I was about to write a similar message, as I just found out about the
> > new "feature" the hard way.
> > In the short term I think I'm going to switch to midori.
>
> I haven't gotten midori to work in a satisfying way.
> There are a few sticking points:
>
> How do you import bookmarks from firefox?
>
> How, when you get a directory listing from a directory on your own
> hard drive, do you get it sorted in some kind of sensible order?
> Exploring my own file system in the browser is a pain without this.
>
> Where is the documentation? Is there any? Is there even a mailing
> list? Or a user forum? Raising questions on the github site just
> gets me an offputting uninformative reply.
>
I have made a quick search, and it seems that the problem is, again,
in the fact that people prefer overkills to simple solutions. Midori
(aside with many other browsers) is using XBEL, an XML format to store
bookmarks, which was introduced not because another file format for
bookmarks was needed, but rather to showcase the abilities of the
PyXML module (google "XBEL bookmarks" to find out more details about
this unbelievable yet interesting story...).
And it seems that the main developer of Midori finds it quite
complicated (sic!) to transform a Netscape (html) bookmark files (or
any other bookmark format, for that matter) into XBEL. There you
go. You can still export your bookmarks into html format and browse
that file :\
The reason why one wants to use XML to store bookmarks still defies my
very primitive logic, though, since implementing a tag-based bookmark
systems requires 28 lines of shell script (attached below), of which
only 9 contain actual shell code...
HND
KatolaZ
#!/bin/sh
##
## Simple script to manage bookmarks
##
## If run without arguments, provide a dmenu list of current
## bookmarks, and paste the selection to the primary
## clipboard. Otherwise, add a new bookmark, and set the
## decription/tag to the arguments provided on the command
## line.
##
## KatolaZ -- 2015
##
BKFILE=$(realpath "${HOME}/.surf/bookmarks.txt")
if [ $# -ge 1 ]; then
## adding a new bookmark from the primary selection
URL=$(xclip -o)
echo "${URL} | $@" >> ${BKFILE}
else
## Searching the bookmark file...
## Get an URI
SEL=$(cat ${BKFILE} | dmenu -l 5)
##echo "Selected: ${SEL}"
URL=$(echo "${SEL}" | cut -d "|" -f 1)
echo "${URL}" | xclip -f
fi
--
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:47:00PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Il 08/03/2017 18:33, goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > > This is a follow up to this old thread: > > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > > > According to this post on FDN - > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian > > does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet > > change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . > > > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . > > > > golinux > > I was about to write a similar message, as I just found out about the > new "feature" the hard way. > In the short term I think I'm going to switch to midori. I haven't gotten midori to work in a satisfying way. There are a few sticking points: How do you import bookmarks from firefox? How, when you get a directory listing from a directory on your own hard drive, do you get it sorted in some kind of sensible order? Exploring my own file system in the browser is a pain without this. Where is the documentation? Is there any? Is there even a mailing list? Or a user forum? Raising questions on the github site just gets me an offputting uninformative reply. -- hendrik > > I read about this change in several places, Arch and Gentoo have builds > that re-enable Alsa. Can we use the fruits of their expertise? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 17:56:22 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170308175622.gv1...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:33:30AM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > This is a follow up to this old thread: > > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > > > According to this post on FDN - > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for > > sound on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed > > in Firefox 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... > > 47056#c178 ) > > > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian > > does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could > > yet change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . > > > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . > > > > A cancer does not miraculously stop growing, unfortunately. It is > clear that the issue is not about choosing systemd or not, rather on > getting all the potterware or nothing. > > :( ..cheer up, we can still use FF as "The NO!!!-Sound Browser" ;o) and explain the why-nots and whys and how-to-be-stupid and pass the whiners on to the Debian etc poetterware distro folks. ..some of us HATES noisy ads that needs gas chamber treatment. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:47:00PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > I'm going to look for technical reasons because PA should not be made > the only sound backend in Linux. I remember when PA was new my reaction > was negative because it was behaving badly (made sound worse), it kept > spawning a demon that just would never go away no matter what I did > (even as root) and made alsamixer lose all but one of it's controls. > But mostly I wondered why did Linux need two sound layers (PA and the > kernel Alsa modules) to do audio. For me on the machine I sit my butt in front of: * PA, after suspend+resume, makes sound really high-pitched and choppy; my uneducated guess is that it tries to play a fraction-of-second buffer at a higher frequency, leaving silence for the rest of the time slice. This is merely a wild guess based on what I hear, I haven't recorded it to properly analyze. "killall pulseaudio" helps, it immediately respawns like a cockroach it is, until next suspend. Upstream's response to bug report: "your sound card doesn't support suspend". Except that the problem happens with PA even when suspending when no sound is being played, while bare ALSA works fine even if the suspend happened with an on-going sound. And it's ALSA that talks directly to the hardware. * PA produces a quiet noise, so quiet that it's audible only when no sound is played and the house is silent -- but audible enough to be infuriating I for one don't care about other problems: * it wastes 7% of a core -- it's a desktop so wakeups don't eat my battery and the electricity cost is not worth the time it'd take to fix this * nasty latency -- I hardly ever play games * audiophile issues I for one don't watch any [net] TV, not even YouTube, but everyone I know who does, they don't use a separate TV anymore but watch everything in the browser. Thus Firefox being PA only sounds like a major problem. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Meow! ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Collisions shmolisions, let's see them find a collision or second ⠈⠳⣄ preimage for double rot13! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it will > be unusable for most of us. Now wait a minute, this is just sound, right, I haven't used sound on a desktop in years, that seems to be a "podcast on my phone" or "music on my phone" thing. I guess there's people into youtube, but I'd rather not be able to use youtube than not be able to use the www. Its like hand wringing about automatic handling of physical flash media drives, which I last used I think during the Clinton presidency, when use under linux was entirely manual entering of mount commands and stuff and I liked it that way but in 2017 I don't care about supporting it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Il 08/03/2017 18:33, goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > This is a follow up to this old thread: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > According to this post on FDN - > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian > does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet > change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . > > golinux I was about to write a similar message, as I just found out about the new "feature" the hard way. In the short term I think I'm going to switch to midori. I read about this change in several places, Arch and Gentoo have builds that re-enable Alsa. Over and over again I read in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1247056 that people who refuse to install Pulse Audio (PA) are "irrational" and/or "stubborn". Yet, the only reason they offer to only support PA in spite of the fact that PA is *not* required to have audio in Linux, is just that it makes they work easier: «Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that we reduce the problems and maintenance associated with maintaining multiple audio backends.». I'm going to look for technical reasons because PA should not be made the only sound backend in Linux. I remember when PA was new my reaction was negative because it was behaving badly (made sound worse), it kept spawning a demon that just would never go away no matter what I did (even as root) and made alsamixer lose all but one of it's controls. But mostly I wondered why did Linux need two sound layers (PA and the kernel Alsa modules) to do audio. I don't like the looks of this, I plain detest having more software to to the same things (I did not run into issues with Alsa that prompted me to find alternatives), I hate having to change because others decided I must do so with no sound technical reasons. But I have no strong technical reasons to still oppose PA in favor of Alsa. Does anyone? Since it's going to be a fight to keep PA at bay, I think we need to argument our decisions against PA in stronger terms than "it was developed by Lennart Poettering", lest we sound just "irrational" and "stubborn" people. -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave PGP/GPG key: B7FD89FD ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:59:17AM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-03-08 11:48, J. Fahrner wrote: > >Am 08.03.2017 um 18:33 schrieb goli...@dyne.org: > > > >> > >>"From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > >>on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > >>54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > > >Pulseaudio? Not with me. :-( > >___ > > > > Me either and many others on this list - there have been several pulseaudio > threads on dng over the years. But that is not the point. Unless FF 52 > onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it will be unusable for > most of us. So this is a heads up that someone will have to step forward to > do this if it is not worked out upstream. Care to take that on? > It actually seems much worse than that. The thread above says that ALSA support will be removed from Firefox by Mozilla itself, not by Debian maintainers: https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Firefox/No-ALSA-support-after-upgrade-to-52/td-p/1372444 So there will not be any switch in FF 54 to enable ALSA, since there will not be any ALSA code in there... "...WE ARE THE BORG. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS. WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..." HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On 2017-03-08 11:48, J. Fahrner wrote: Am 08.03.2017 um 18:33 schrieb goli...@dyne.org: "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) Pulseaudio? Not with me. :-( ___ Me either and many others on this list - there have been several pulseaudio threads on dng over the years. But that is not the point. Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it will be unusable for most of us. So this is a heads up that someone will have to step forward to do this if it is not worked out upstream. Care to take that on? golinux (who has compiled maybe 2 apps ever) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 11:33:30AM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > This is a follow up to this old thread: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html > > According to this post on FDN - > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on > linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." > (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) > > So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian does not. > Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet change Mozilla's > mind. Yeah, right . . . > > Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . > A cancer does not miraculously stop growing, unfortunately. It is clear that the issue is not about choosing systemd or not, rather on getting all the potterware or nothing. :( HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
Am 08.03.2017 um 18:33 schrieb goli...@dyne.org: > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) Pulseaudio? Not with me. :-( ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
This is a follow up to this old thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html According to this post on FDN - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) So heads up that Devuan might need recompile FF for alsa if Debian does not. Of course, the blowback for going down this road could yet change Mozilla's mind. Yeah, right . . . Or maybe another viable alternative will miraculously appear . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
