Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Alessandro Selli]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 23:09:30 +0100
Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 18:03:21 +0100
> Irrwahn  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> According to:
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
>> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
>> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
>> smell like negligent package maintenance,  
>
>   Here it says why:
>
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roxterm/rss
>
> Removed 3.3.2-1 from unstable
>
> --- Reason ---
> ROM; Upstream discontinued; has RC bug
> --

  Roxterm's developer gave up due to the complexities of adapting/ working
around GTK3 features:

https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/?limit=25#46a9

 Tony Houghton - 2016-05-25

I'm afraid the time has come to put ROXTerm to sleep. I've had a look over
the code and latest GTK API and I'm pretty sure there is no quick fix for bug
#125, in fact there is even more code relying on the old geometry than I
realised, and I could end up messing around with it for months trying to get
all the sizing features right. The only satisfactory solution would be a
major rewrite, which isn't really justified by whatever distinctive features
ROXTerm offers over anything else that people (including myself) are relying
on. With such a big bug in the way it doesn't seem worth tackling the other
outstanding issues. Apologies to all the people who have taken time to report
and discuss them.

There is one potential killer feature I can think of, and that's to integrate
the functionality of something like tmux or screen with remote capability,
but I think that would require at least major support from a reworked vte,
and I think it's over-ambitious for me.

So, unless anyone else wants to take this over (seems unlikely), I'll soon
start doing things like getting it removed from Debian.


Alessandro

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Adam Borowski wrote on 03.01.2018 00:31:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
>> According to:
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
>> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
>> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
>> smell like negligent package maintenance
> 
> Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian
> maintenance.  To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions.

Ah, just as I thought!

> Stuff won't fix itself...
> 
> In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals.  I see 31 that
> declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around
> half of available terminals declare this tag.

Luckily I'm not the one who asked for it; I seem to remember 
to have tried it once quite some time ago, and wasn't any more 
impressed by it than by any other old terminal emulator.

Thanks for the info anyway.

Best regards

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Adam Borowski]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote:
> According to:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
> smell like negligent package maintenance

Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian
maintenance.  To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions.

Stuff won't fix itself...

In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals.  I see 31 that
declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around
half of available terminals declare this tag.


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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:37:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>     I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that
> xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as
> roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar dependency
> list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer version of libvte
> (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.

And sakura seems to work quite nicely.  Thanks.

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Alessandro Selli]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 18:03:21 +0100
Irrwahn  wrote:

[...]

> According to:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
> smell like negligent package maintenance,

  Here it says why:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roxterm/rss

Removed 3.3.2-1 from unstable

--- Reason ---
ROM; Upstream discontinued; has RC bug
--


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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn:
> Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
> [...]
> >>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
> >> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.
> > 
> > I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
> > know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.
> > 
> > If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.
> 
> In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar 
> feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list 
> of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for 
> years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up 
> along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable 
> desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. 
> 
> Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels 
> a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
> entirely(?) in python.
> 
> Urban

Terminator on ascii is 1.90 and depends on gtk3 - I was not very surprised to 
find it not functional any more. But Terminator from jessie (0.97, gtk2) still 
works on ascii.

Anyway, nothing beats urxvt :-)

Nik


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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Didier Kryn wrote on 02.01.2018 17:37:
> Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit :
[...]
>> In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar
>> feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list
>> of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for
>> years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up
>> along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable
>> desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain.
>>
>> Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels
>> a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
>> entirely(?) in python.

>      I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that 
> xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as 
> roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar 
> dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer 
> version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.

Yes, xfce4-terminal is quite usable, too, and I just found out I 
still have it installed. ATM I cannot recall why I stopped using it.
Might have tripped over a borked version at some point in the past?

According to:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all
there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no 
clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me 
smell like negligent package maintenance, so I tend to stay away 
from those, unless it is absolutely essential to me. (In which case 
I'd try to coerce the unstable version into whatever suite I'm 
actually using. The standard disclaimer about "Franken-De(bi|vu)an" 
systems applies, of course.)
 
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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit :

Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

[...]

     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar
feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list
of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for
years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up
along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable
desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain.

Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels
a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
entirely(?) in python.
    I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that 
xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as 
roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar 
dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer 
version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped.


        Didier

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 16:46, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
worked find in jessie.

In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
the one I'm typing on or mousing over.

Any ideas?

     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.


    roxterm is available in Devuan-Jessie/main, but not in Ascii.

    I tried to copy the 3 roxterm* packages from Jessie, but they have 
a dependency on libvte-2.90-9, while Asii has libvte-2.91-0. I don't 
think the two versions of the libvte can co-exist and don't know which 
one is installed on your system. In principle, either the old version is 
installed and prevents the installation of some other packages, or the 
new version is installed and your roxterm installation is broken.


        Didier

            Didier

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Irrwahn]

Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
>>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
[...]
>>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
>> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.
> 
> I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
> know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.
> 
> If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar 
feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list 
of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for 
years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up 
along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable 
desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. 

Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels 
a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written
entirely(?) in python.

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.
> >
> >I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
> >worked find in jessie.
> >
> >In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
> >even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
> >clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
> >the one I'm typing on or mousing over.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> 
>     In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which
> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.

I'm not sure.  Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer 
know.  I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out.

If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem.

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Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Didier Kryn]

Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It
worked find in jessie.

In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an
even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The
clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on
the one I'm typing on or mousing over.

Any ideas?


    In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer 
(which needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm.


    Didier

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[DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

[Hendrik Boom]

I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii.

I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was.  It 
worked find in jessie.

In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an 
even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking.  The 
clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on 
the one I'm typing on or mousing over.

Any ideas?
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