Re: [DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:15:08 +1100
From: terryc 
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: [DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?

All I want or need vi for is a simple black text on white(grey
actually) editor. I have no problem configuring that for xterms.



Hi, you don't give a lot of details about the issue but is simple way to 
deactivate any color management in Vim is to set syntax to off in one of 
your vimrc files. You can do it interactively too with ":syntax off", 
without the quotes but after a escape key press

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Re: [DNG] Which desktop manager?

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:05:28 + (GMT)
From: Jim Jackson 
Subject: Re: [DNG] Which DE?

You've had lots of comments, but nobody has asked you WHY you wish to
change. What is wrong with MATE, for you?


Hi!
Nor what he's expecting from a DE...


From: Rick Moen 
http://www.xwinman.org/  (always a bit out of date, but always useful)



Dear Rick, I'm not sure that such a deprecated Website is a good advice. 
And I3, that a lot of geeks find to be the best actual WM, isn't on it.


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Re: [DNG] Which desktop manager?

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Or replicate Matt Chapman's work elsewhere and do better


Hi, I find the tone of your answer a little "harsh", but happily I don't 
mind about this details.


Around 15 years ago, I was the main contributor of a french 
wiki(https://web.archive.org/web/20140228212955/http://www.cdr-pays-brest.infini.fr/index.php/Accueil#Les_activit.C3.A9s_dans_les_espaces_publics_multim.C3.A9dia_au_pays_de_Brest). 
Sometimes I got some congratulations(for example regarding 
), 
most of the time total indifference, sometimes critics about the 
out-of-date content. But nobody to help...


I absolutely haven't got the time to think about keeping on something 
like this, and additionally I'm becoming more and more reluctant to the 
computer science that is sold for a few years now. As only less that 40 
years old, I'm an old fellow who doesn't understand the world he's 
living in at all anymore. Just an example among dozens of others, linked 
to a any independent Website we could have: in Europe, independent 
hosting is threaten by a law, about to be enabled, building a censorship 
on everything: 
(french), 
(English)


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Re: [DNG] How to change the action of the computer's power button?

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Florian Zieboll :

Did you have a look at (man) acpid?


Hi, and have I nice year! Yes of course it was in /etc/acpi/events :-)

I used to play with this 15 years ago but thought it changed since then...

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Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS(and create an computing museum?)

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g4sra :

Anybody with a computer museum wanna give me a job ?


Hi,
I've got a bunch of historical computers of different sorts(most of them 
are working fine), pieces, documentations, magazines, books, ads... and 
dream about such a place too(especially with fully working NeXT 
stations!!!)! Good old times when computing was fun.

But I'm sure it couldn't work without being paid by public money.

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Re: [DNG] Problem with DHCP during boot

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Simon Hobson :

Have you tried asking on the ISC DHCP Users mailing list ?


Hi, no, I don't want to subscribe to this list just for this, and as a 
newcomer it won't have any weight.


 The above are Debian bug tracker links - the maintainers of the Debian 
packaging may or may not be on the ISC ML (I haven't looked), and I 
think it's fairly certain that most of the people who are on the ML 
won't be checking for Debian bugs.


> The second one has been sent upstream




Mind you, the first of those does seem "rather old" !


Yes, but still in 4.3.5-3+deb9u1

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Re: [DNG] Devuan success report - Old Toshiba

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Le 11/05/2020 à 00:59, Riccardo Mottola  wrote :



I have an old Toshiba Satellite laptop, with a wonderful soft touch
keyboard, PS/2 Port, Serial console... very readable screen (althoug
800x600!) which always had Debian which I kept upgrading and
upgrading.
It became less and less usable...  only swap swap and slow as hell.




Of course, the Specs are not impressive: Celeron (Mendocino) at 433Mhz
and 128MB of RAM and Trident CYper videocard, still they worked and I


Hi, I'm impressed, I though I was the last person on earth doing this 
sort of thing, you beat me!




I had a got hold of another PATA Hard Disk, so I swapped it in,
installed Devuan from scratch, matching about the same setup in terms


How did you to boot the installer on such an old computer?

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Re: [DNG] Problem with DHCP during boot

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Le 15/07/2020 à 22:04, Simon Hobson :



I think I'll ask the same question over at the ISC DHCP list, we're a friendly 
bunch over there, but it's more an OS question than a DHCP one. Still, there's 
a range of experience, so someone else might have hit this and know the answer.



Hi, so, with this friendly touch with them at ISC, if you could ask 
about resolution of 
 and 
...

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[DNG] Very strange file access problem

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Hi, something strange and very annoying, to say the last, suddenly  
happened to my Devuan Ascii at work several hours ago: some files  
became inaccessible with X applications with my user. I can't find any  
relevant clue in logs, so I just can stick to what I'm facing too:


-I can open a X session with root user
-I can't open a X session with any other user, even one I just created  
for testing. I tried to move its home to another volume to see if it  
was a lock on /home: no change.

-In the X session under root, I can do a "xhost+ ; su myuser" and:
 - launch applications from there. But the same files remains  
inaccessible, and I don't know why and why theses ones and no others.

 - And theses files can be read from console whith "myuser"!!!
 - Another example: I can read mails in Thundebird, edit rules, have  
mails sorted in folders but can't write any mail because of an "access  
denied on a file"
-In the X session under root, these files can be read with X  
applications launched while staying root.


Do someone have any clue?

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[DNG] Very strange file access problem

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Hi, something strange and very annoying, to say the last, suddenly happened to 
my Devuan Ascii at work several hours ago: some files became inaccessible with 
X applications with my user. I can't find any relevant clue in logs, so I just 
can stick to what I'm facing too:


I think I found :-)))

It seems the access rights were very bad on "/tmp"

Why? No idea, I can't find any bad command in Bash history. The fact is 
a launched a "rsync --daemon" before the problem appears, this one has 
the following setup:


uid = root
gid = root
use chroot = no

[tmp]
path = /tmp
read only = no

But never had this problem before!
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[DNG] Very strange file access problem (solved)

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Hi, something strange and very annoying, to say the last, suddenly happened to 
my Devuan Ascii at work several hours ago: some files became inaccessible with 
X applications with my user. I can't find any relevant clue in logs, so I just 
can stick to what I'm facing too:


Now I understand what happened. It was a malformed rsync -a command.

I will spend a much better week-end but I'll need to think about:
-don't use "-a" when not neeeded
-Read more documentation to know if it would be possible not to give 
root access to it when not needed.


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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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Simon Hobson  :


I think it's a case of two things :



Hi, I agree with the two. Yes, recently I've heard selection of songs 
from the 1990s and told myself: "yeah I remember!!! well, there was some 
good songs in this time after all!"


But I still maintain that 1970s are special. I'm not the best person to 
explain why, and it's not the place. That's why I gave links. But just 
count the number of artists I listed: I'm not saying that everybody 
should like all of them(it's not the case for myself). But they are all 
recognized to have put a brick in music history. And so I can't let 
Steve say something a little like "there was mainly Disco in the 70s".


And I forgot three main other bands of the decade(shame on me): Doobie 
Brothers, Chicago, Supertramp


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Re: [DNG] Touchpad on Thinkpad T580 stops working sometimes

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Dimitri Minaev :


I would be grateful for any ideas that might help solve the issue.



Hi, my GObook(on the right of 
) 
has got the same problem for almost 20 years. In worst, since it's about 
every ten seconds and it seems to be related to computer speed 
management. Synaptics touchpad too. I think it's a hardware problem. I 
only use mouse...

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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Dimitris :

and locally, after the us-dictated military dictatorship and its
widespread censorship ended in the mid70s, there was a blooming artistic
creation  and great local music was produced..

in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P


At last, someone else than me to write these things :-)

When you say "local", do you mean "south America"?

And yes, I've forgotten to mention jamaican soul, Punk and so on. As for 
Africa, I better know 80s production but no doubt there has been good 
things in the 70s!


**About Simon Hobson's Brian extract**: Made me smile, sadly I've 
haven't seen the complete movie yet, my sister told me about it years 
ago, she loved it


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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music, video platforms

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Steve Litt  :


Here are my favorite music decades, from most to least liked:


Hi, yes, it fits with what I guessed from your original post. For me it's:


1) 1950's
2) 1960's
3) 1970's
4) 1980's
5) 1990's
6) 2000's-2009


Notes:
-The size of the steps aren't the same each time. In fact the fourth 
first ones are almost at the same level near paradise, 1990s are more 
below 1980's(Everest high) and the last one is almost as low as hell is.
-I don't even mention 2010 and after since for me it's only noise, not 
music. Below hell if possible!
-And yes, regarding another one mail, I like classical music too, but 
just a little, too few to mention it.


I liked 1990's and 1980's almost the same, but my love for 1990's
Eurodance made the difference.


As for the taste question, we'll have trouble to agree since I think 
that decadence started a lot from this style(even if, like I wrote 
before, hearing some of them now reminds me my young years and then I 
think that it wasn't so terrible in comparaison to what is called music 
now).



But 1975-spring 1979 was a vast wasteland of Disco, dragging down what
otherwise could have been a great decade.


Well, the source of the (little) disagreement comes from the fact that 
you rely on the things played on radio, at the contrary of me(1975-79 is 
one of my favorite period for rock, it's when my favorite band started 
as a pub-rock one).





Guilty pleasure: I liked Kiss. And Abba too. And (yeah, I'm a hypocrite)
KC and the Sunshine Band. And Heart and Fleetwood Mac. And Sweet. When
our kids were little (in the very late 1990's), our family used to put
Little Willy on the computer, crank it way up, and dance like nobody
was looking. Every one of us did a 360 when that triple drumbeat ended
the chorus.


I don't know at all half of all of those...


Everyone forgets the early 1970's, I don't know why. Remember "Hold
Your Head Up" by Argent? If you had the right album Grand Funk album,
you could hear "Sin's a Good Man's Brother", which was designed
specifically for situations I no longer find myself in.

And don't forget the outstanding Pop music of the pre-disco 1970's:
Maggie May, Just My Imagination, Signs, Brandy, I Can See Clearly Now,
American Pie, Jazzman, and the best unremembered song of all time, the
Southerland Brothers' You got Me Anyway.


All of this is more linked to funk and glam roots, it's not what I 
prefer, but yes, they are worth to be mentioned!


A few months ago I put together a playlist of the #1 songs from 1943 to
1971, and it was interesting. Based strictly on the #1 songs, 1952 was
the worst year ever: It sounded like a funeral. 1955 was great, as were
1961-1963. Soon I'm going to write a program to take the top 20 songs


Very interesting! If you ever mind to publish this somewhere, I would be 
glad to read it!



It's true: The 1970's had some great music.

But disco.


See my comment above about radio. I feel that, at least for radio format 
I'm listening to, disco is like dance: shorts and old fashioned trends 
that ruled at this times, but that nobody want to listen now, except to 
laugh or remember our youth occasionally.


But for most people, the sentence above applies to what I like, for my 
despair! And sadly, I can't hear anymore any radios except the ones I 
talked about with links [in french at last], until they change or 
disappear too :-(



Oh Oh: "As of September 1st 2020, invidio.us has closed down. To see
this content, please select another instance, or visit directly on
YouTube."


You can use: http://invidious.fdn.fr
You can directly download Youtube links without going on it with:
-youtube-dl(sadly has got a lot of dependencies),
-youtube-dcl or something like this(need to be skilled in programming, I 
don't use it)

-,
-4kvideodownloader (free as a beer but not libre, the most complete I 
know but sometimes works bad)

-...





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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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tito  :

You still have Tiscali in Italy ;-)




Others include of course Pink Floyd,


It's my second favorite band and I wrote them in my first mail ;-)


Steppenwolf, Janis Joplin, The

Doors...so many to name.


I though about them but for me it's more 60's than 70's



AC/DC, Aerosmith, Johnny Winter, Jeff Beck Group, Santana,
 Jimi Hendrix, Thin Lizzy, Roger Chapman, Freddy King, Albert King,
   B.B. King, Cream, Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker. Screamin Jay
   Hawkins, ZZTop..I think there are moreOh Yes... Black
   Sabbath, Clapton, Beach Boys, Steve Miller Band



I can read that we have a lot of musical culture in common. I thought 
about some of them, but for me, for an half they are more 60's than 
70's, and for the other half more on the border between end of 70's and 
first half of 80's, so not really fully 70ish


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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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Steve Litt  :


He has recommended http://towardtheunknownregion.com


Very strange Website, "radioseagull" makes me think about free local 
radios of Brittany(where are my roots).


sl...@troubleshooters.com looks like the name of a french hard-rock 
band, Starshooter!


Dimitris:

even though its modern history is more similar to that of Chile and
Argentina...


Found it: The home of Alekos Panagoulis :-) He wasn't as optimistic as 
you are about your politics even after the fall of papadopoulos


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[DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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Of course, the 80's were better, and the 90's were even better than
that, but the 70's were no slouch when it comes to music. If you skip
disco.

SteveT


Ho and I forgot Steely Dan and Queen! And probably many others...

To know more you could listen on-line(yes, bad sound!) to the french RTL 
radio station(or BelRTL) between 23h and 1 hour(french timezone) in the 
nights leading Friday to Saturday, Saturday to Sunday and Sunday to Monday.

Some old emissions are downloadable:
https://www.rtl.fr/podcast/la-collection-georges-lang.xml
https://www.rtl.fr/podcast/les-nocturnes.xml (the one between 13 and 14 
Feb. have got a lot of english speaking in it)


Or "Classic 21" , especially 
Saturday between 21 and 23 h and Sunday between 9 and 12h(french/belgian 
timezone)



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[DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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Of course, the 80's were better, and the 90's were even better than
that, but the 70's were no slouch when it comes to music. If you skip
disco.

SteveT


Hi, it's a joke? 70s are considered by lot of people to be the best 
decade in music, just some examples: Crosby Stills Nash and Young(and 
every various related combination of these four guys), Fleetwood Mac, 
Eagles, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Elton John, James Taylor,  Jackson Browne, 
David Bowie, Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, former Beatles in solo, Dire 
Straits and Michael Jackson debuts...
in france appeared Michel Berger Sanson, Alain Souchon 
Voulzy, Yves Simon...


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