Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not the built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac handy to check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which is what he mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using something else. Jean On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your keyboard is. For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly different to Windows or Linux. Hope that helps. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs? Any idea of how to help this chap with his keyboard issues? Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list. If you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer anyway so don't worry about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote: From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or something like that. However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK. I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed. Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...? -- Mark Simon Manngo Net Pty Ltd mobile:0411 246 672 email:m...@manngo.net mailto:m...@comparity.net web:http://www.manngo.net Resume:http://mark.manngo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hi :) Thanks Jean, Peter and Ken :) Ken, don't worry about not having answers. This list is not for answering users questions so don't worry that you couldn't help this time. The Users List gave the guy an answer too. So, it's all good. Thanks all :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 9:14 I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not the built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac handy to check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which is what he mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using something else. Jean On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your keyboard is. For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly different to Windows or Linux. Hope that helps. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs? Any idea of how to help this chap with his keyboard issues? Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list. If you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer anyway so don't worry about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote: From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or something like that. However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK. I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed. Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...? -- Mark Simon Manngo Net Pty Ltd mobile:0411 246 672 email:m...@manngo.net mailto:m...@comparity.net web:http://www.manngo.net Resume:http://mark.manngo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice
Hi :) I would rather see the work done by a volunteer too especially if that meant someone that had a good understanding of LibreOffice and perhaps the wider FOSS community. However, paying for things sometimes makes the relationship clearer and easier to control. Either way the trick is finding someone or a few people with the skills, time and motivation. On a side-issue / tangent ... We don't have to fight against OpenOffice anymore. Not that we were really fighting them before but now it's even less relevant. Similarly with AbiWordGnumeric, KOffice/Calligra, Google-docs and the rest of the OpenSource alternatives. OpenOffice is a great product and it helps us to help people start using it and to break away from trying to use MS Office. LibreOffice is a lot better than OpenOffice so people will move towards it once they realise they are both so similar. The most difficult step is the 1st step. That important 1st step is to help people realise there are good alternatives to MS Office. If people think there is a squabble between OpenOffice and LibreOffice they may delay until they can see which one loses first! However if we can show people that both are strong products standing shoulder-to-shoulder as brothers (or sisters) then it gives them greater confidence in just choosing one (and then perhaps changing to the other one later when they realise that is easy). Similarly i think it's important that people know they can keep running their old MS Office and just have LibreOffice / OpenOffice alongside so that they can gradually move over at their own pace. So, people have less to worry about while moving over. All that is just my own opinion and i know others think differently. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Nguyễn Vũ Hưng vuhung16p...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nguyễn Vũ Hưng vuhung16p...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: market...@global.libreoffice.org, documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 4:10 Hi there, 2012/3/1 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) There are some fairly old YouTube things that may have higher quality originals if you contact the person that created them 1. A smart young professional looking chap giving a good but slightly visually dull interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=PFowLtr39Ug#t=319s That is myself at 319th second in that movie :) This movie was created by the guy who is working at (Vietnam) VTV2, taking care of IT space program, who also asked me if LibreOffice has any movie alike to The Mozilla Story so that he can put both on-line in the same programme. 3. This one looks like a working conference for the wider FOSS community http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIymff2m114 One of the guy in the movie is Mr. Le Trung Nghia, who has fought ODF against OOXML, and we won. ODF now is a national standard and ODF/OpenOffice.org is either forced or recommended in the public sections. However, we are still working hard to make LibreOffice replace OpenOffice.org By the way, MSO (mainly 2003) and MS formats are still the de facto standard in Vietnam. To make LibreOffice official, one of the thing I am thinking is that, get it on VTV2. 4. Again the wider FOSS community. This looks very polished. A professionally produced advert? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhnlbDaC0Cgfeature=related That is the same programme IT space, the same guy that I have mentioned. The communities including VFOSSA.vn, HanoiLUG, Vietlug and many local/online lugs in Vietnam. Other people have suggested putting together a commercial advert or a brief introduction and occasionally we have had people interested in helping do the video editing side of things. Sadly all these people seem to ask at very different times and come from different lands with different languages. Last one i remember was Daniska(? sorry for the bad spelling!) from Thailand (i think). I can't remember who offered their video editing skills. Great to hear that, A lot of the sections of the Mozilla ones fit LibreOffice extremely well. Perhaps we could start by using some of their advert? Perhaps mention them at the same time? I think we might have to ask their permission but i imagine they released it under a copyleft agreement. +1 On another tack i might be able to engage a professional VJ that has produced an advert for another high tech product but he is so far a bit clueless about LibreOffice at the moment although i could possibly explain it well enough for him to make something impressive. Possibly £200 (Uk) for 2-5 min but i have no idea really. I think we can find a vonlunteer. I have contacted Nixie and asked if she could send me the movie :) -- Best Regards, Nguyen Hung Vu [aka: NVH] ( in Vietnamese: Nguyễn Vũ Hưng )
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping JohnS: Writer Guide Chapter 6 latest iteration
Hi Revised chapter 6 and placed on ODFAuthors. Revised chapter 6 graphics file loaded to the Writer graphics folder too. Regards John On 29/02/2012 23:35, Jean Weber wrote: John, I know you changed some of the character styles info in Chapter 6, but I don't recall if this was mentioned. (From Bug #40702) The section Applying character styles needs a hint that to transfer only character style without paragraph style, you have to press Control when you select the characters to what the style should be transferred using 'Format Paintbrush' (See Writer Help under heading Copying Formatting With the Format Paintbrush). I am not sure whether Control is valid for all OS. --Jean On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 08:46, John Smithclicks...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi OK I'll get back to this one as soon as I finish the current one, Ch16, which is almost done. Regards John On 29/02/2012 03:33, Jean Weber wrote: John, I would appreciate your checking my changes, most of which are in addition to the ones you made earlier, which I have accepted. Thanks. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/feedback-lo3.4/wg3.4-ch6-intro-to-styles/view --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Tom, if the answer on the users list was more helpful, could you share it here? Thanks. Jean On 03/03/2012, at 1:42, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Thanks Jean, Peter and Ken :) Ken, don't worry about not having answers. This list is not for answering users questions so don't worry that you couldn't help this time. The Users List gave the guy an answer too. So, it's all good. Thanks all :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 9:14 I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not the built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac handy to check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which is what he mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using something else. Jean On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your keyboard is. For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly different to Windows or Linux. Hope that helps. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs? Any idea of how to help this chap with his keyboard issues? Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list. If you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer anyway so don't worry about it. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote: From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or something like that. However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK. I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed. Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...? -- Mark Simon Manngo Net Pty Ltd mobile:0411 246 672 email:m...@manngo.net mailto:m...@comparity.net web:http://www.manngo.net Resume:http://mark.manngo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hi :) It's not hugely useful right now but it's being discussed there. Sometimes they ignore a question or launch off into weird rants but once a question starts getting discussed rationally they usually arrive at a good answer eventually. Regards from Tom :) Ps So, so far Tinkerer wrote I only use the system short cuts, which appear in the menus. I have no problems with any of them ,including CMD C and CMD V. If you create additional keyboard cuts, then these must be Saved. Having saved them, they must consequentially be Loaded if you wish to use them. If the keys you have assigned conflict with system keys, the system key will be replaced. That is my understanding, perhaps someone will correct me. Tink. Before that was Alex's Alex Thurgood wrote I fear you could well be correct. The Getting Started Guide contained references to using Mac keyboard shortcuts, but I don't know whether that addresses your specific problem. I read on a French list yesterday or the day before that you have to deactivate system keyboard shortcuts in order to get your own LO specific ones to work. Haven't tried though. My own personal experience previously with OOo on Mac and shortcut keys was that it was too fiddly to set up and then would just stop working from one version to the next. With LO, the normal shortcut keys often simply didn't work (things like Cmd-C/Cmd-V for example) in some of LO's modules (Basic IDE, formula editor, Calc, for example). Alex -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fw-libreoffice-users-Macintosh-Custom-Keyboard-Shortcuts-tp3792142p3794757.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user. And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be something weird about the OP's setup). As you note below, the responses on the users list aren't too useful yet. So often people talk a lot about a different (related) question, not the one that was asked. Has anyone checked on the Mac section of the forum? Jean On 03/03/2012, at 7:31, Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It's not hugely useful right now but it's being discussed there. Sometimes they ignore a question or launch off into weird rants but once a question starts getting discussed rationally they usually arrive at a good answer eventually. Regards from Tom :) Ps So, so far Tinkerer wrote I only use the system short cuts, which appear in the menus. I have no problems with any of them ,including CMD C and CMD V. If you create additional keyboard cuts, then these must be Saved. Having saved them, they must consequentially be Loaded if you wish to use them. If the keys you have assigned conflict with system keys, the system key will be replaced. That is my understanding, perhaps someone will correct me. Tink. Before that was Alex's Alex Thurgood wrote I fear you could well be correct. The Getting Started Guide contained references to using Mac keyboard shortcuts, but I don't know whether that addresses your specific problem. I read on a French list yesterday or the day before that you have to deactivate system keyboard shortcuts in order to get your own LO specific ones to work. Haven't tried though. My own personal experience previously with OOo on Mac and shortcut keys was that it was too fiddly to set up and then would just stop working from one version to the next. With LO, the normal shortcut keys often simply didn't work (things like Cmd-C/Cmd-V for example) in some of LO's modules (Basic IDE, formula editor, Calc, for example). Alex -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fw-libreoffice-users-Macintosh-Custom-Keyboard-Shortcuts-tp3792142p3794757.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hi all, On Saturday 03 March 2012, 09:15:31 Jean Weber wrote: I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user. And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be something weird about the OP's setup). Maybe such a question or Q/A pair is are also something for the new askBot (http://ask.libreoffice.org)? Did you check already? Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
On 03/03/2012, at 17:16, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Hi all, On Saturday 03 March 2012, 09:15:31 Jean Weber wrote: I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user. And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be something weird about the OP's setup). Maybe such a question or Q/A pair is are also something for the new askBot (http://ask.libreoffice.org)? Did you check already? Regards, Nino No, I forgot about that. Good idea. I'm hoping that someone on the users list follow up and find the answer. I can't easily check websites right now, so it falls into the same category as has anyone checked the forums? If people wait for me, it may never happen. Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted