Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Jean Weber
I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not the 
built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac handy to 
check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which is what he 
mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using something else.

Jean

On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello
 
 I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked 
 Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard 
 shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little 
 graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your 
 keyboard is.
 
 For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + 
 S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly 
 different to Windows or Linux.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Peter Schofield
 psaut...@gmail.com
 
 
 On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote:
 
 Hi :)
 I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs?  Any idea of how to 
 help this chap with his keyboard issues?
 
 Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list.  If 
 you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer 
 anyway so don't worry about it.   
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote:
 
 From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
 To: us...@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31
 
 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). 
 When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I 
 laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or 
 something like that.
 
 However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On 
 my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. 
 The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then 
 completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK.
 
 I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed.
 
 Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...?
 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks Jean, Peter and Ken :)  Ken, don't worry about not having answers.  This 
list is not for answering users questions so don't worry that you couldn't help 
this time.  The Users List gave the guy an answer too.  So, it's all good.  
Thanks all :)
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom 
Keyboard Shortcuts
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org 
documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 9:14

I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not the 
built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac handy to 
check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which is what he 
mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using something else.

Jean

On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello
 
 I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked 
 Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard 
 shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little 
 graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your 
 keyboard is.
 
 For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + 
 S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly 
 different to Windows or Linux.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Peter Schofield
 psaut...@gmail.com
 
 
 On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote:
 
 Hi :)
 I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs?  Any idea of how to 
 help this chap with his keyboard issues?
 
 Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list.  If 
 you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer 
 anyway so don't worry about it.   
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote:
 
 From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
 To: us...@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31
 
 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). 
 When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I 
 laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or 
 something like that.
 
 However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On 
 my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. 
 The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then 
 completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK.
 
 I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed.
 
 Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...?
 
 -- 
 
 Mark Simon
 
 Manngo Net Pty Ltd
 
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 email:m...@manngo.net mailto:m...@comparity.net
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I would rather see the work done by a volunteer too especially if that meant 
someone that had a good understanding of LibreOffice and perhaps the wider FOSS 
community.  However, paying for things sometimes makes the relationship clearer 
and easier to control.  

Either way the trick is finding someone or a few people with the skills, time 
and motivation.  


On a side-issue / tangent ... 
We don't have to fight against OpenOffice anymore.  Not that we were really 
fighting them before but now it's even less relevant.  Similarly with 
AbiWordGnumeric, KOffice/Calligra, Google-docs and the rest of the OpenSource 
alternatives.  OpenOffice is a great product and it helps us to help people 
start using it and to break away from trying to use MS Office.  LibreOffice is 
a lot better than OpenOffice so people will move towards it once they realise 
they are both so similar.  

The most difficult step is the 1st step.  That important 1st step is to help 
people realise there are good  alternatives to MS Office.  If people think 
there is a squabble between OpenOffice and LibreOffice they may delay until 
they can see which one loses first!  However if we can show people that both 
are strong products standing shoulder-to-shoulder as brothers (or sisters) then 
it gives them greater confidence in just choosing one (and then perhaps 
changing to the other one later when they realise that is easy).  

Similarly i think it's important that people know they can keep running their 
old MS Office and just have LibreOffice / OpenOffice alongside so that they can 
gradually move over at their own pace.  So, people have less to worry about 
while moving over.  

All that is just my own opinion and i know others think differently.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 2/3/12, Nguyễn Vũ Hưng vuhung16p...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Nguyễn Vũ Hưng vuhung16p...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Looking for a movie to promote LibreOffice
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: market...@global.libreoffice.org, documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 4:10

Hi there, 

2012/3/1 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk


Hi :)
There are some fairly old YouTube things that may have higher quality originals 
if you contact the person that created them


1.   A smart young professional looking chap giving a good but slightly 
visually dull interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=PFowLtr39Ug#t=319s



That is myself at 319th second in that movie :) 

This movie was created by the guy who is working at (Vietnam) VTV2, taking care 
of IT space program, who also asked me if LibreOffice has any movie alike to 
The Mozilla Story so that he can put both on-line in the same programme.

 


3.  This one looks like a working conference for the wider FOSS community
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIymff2m114



One of the guy in the movie is Mr. Le Trung Nghia, who has fought ODF against  
OOXML, and we won.  ODF now is a national standard and ODF/OpenOffice.org is 
either forced or recommended in the public sections.

However, we are still working hard to make LibreOffice replace OpenOffice.org
By the way, MSO (mainly 2003) and MS formats are still the de facto standard in 
Vietnam.

To make LibreOffice official, one of the thing I am thinking is that,


get it on VTV2. 




4.  Again the wider FOSS community.  This looks very polished.  A 
professionally produced advert?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhnlbDaC0Cgfeature=related



That is the same programme IT space, the same guy that I have mentioned.

The communities including VFOSSA.vn, HanoiLUG, Vietlug and many local/online 
lugs in Vietnam.






Other
 people have suggested putting together a commercial advert or a brief 
introduction and occasionally we have had people interested in helping do the 
video editing side of things.  Sadly all these people seem to ask at very 
different times and come from different lands with different languages.  Last 
one i remember was Daniska(? sorry for the bad spelling!) from Thailand (i 
think).  I can't remember who offered their video editing skills.  


Great to hear that, 
 



A lot of the sections of the Mozilla ones fit LibreOffice extremely well.  
Perhaps we could start by using some of their advert?  Perhaps mention them at 
the same time?  I think we might have to ask their permission but i imagine 
they released it under a copyleft agreement.  


+1
 



On another tack i might be able to engage a professional VJ that has produced 
an advert for another high tech product but he is so far a bit clueless about 
LibreOffice at the moment although i
 could possibly explain it well enough for him to make something impressive.  
Possibly £200 (Uk) for 2-5 min but i have no idea really.  

I think we can find a vonlunteer. 



I have contacted Nixie and asked if she could send me the movie :)





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping JohnS: Writer Guide Chapter 6 latest iteration

2012-03-02 Thread John Smith

Hi
Revised chapter 6 and placed on ODFAuthors.
Revised chapter 6 graphics file loaded to the Writer graphics folder too.

Regards
John

On 29/02/2012 23:35, Jean Weber wrote:

John, I know you changed some of the character styles info in Chapter
6, but I don't recall if this was mentioned.

(From Bug #40702) The section Applying character styles needs a hint
that to transfer only character style without paragraph style, you
have to press Control when you select the characters to what the
style should be transferred using 'Format Paintbrush' (See Writer Help
under heading Copying Formatting With the Format Paintbrush). I am
not sure whether Control is valid for all OS.

--Jean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 08:46, John Smithclicks...@yahoo.co.uk  wrote:

Hi
OK I'll get back to this one as soon as I finish the current one, Ch16,
which is almost done.

Regards
John


On 29/02/2012 03:33, Jean Weber wrote:

John, I would appreciate your checking my changes, most of which are
in addition to the ones you made earlier, which I have accepted.
Thanks.

http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/feedback-lo3.4/wg3.4-ch6-intro-to-styles/view

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Jean Weber
Tom, if the answer on the users list was more helpful, could you share it here? 
Thanks.
Jean

On 03/03/2012, at 1:42, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Thanks Jean, Peter and Ken :)  Ken, don't worry about not having answers.  
 This list is not for answering users questions so don't worry that you 
 couldn't help this time.  The Users List gave the guy an answer too.  So, 
 it's all good.  Thanks all :)
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom 
 Keyboard Shortcuts
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org 
 documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Friday, 2 March, 2012, 9:14
 
 I think the question was more about the shortcuts that he had defined, not 
 the built in ones, and he had defined them to use Alt. I don't have my Mac 
 handy to check whether there is a substitute for Alt (such as Control, which 
 is what he mentions) or if the Alt combinations need to be redefined using 
 something else.
 
 Jean
 
 On 02/03/2012, at 17:40, Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked 
 Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard 
 shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little 
 graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age 
 your keyboard is.
 
 For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + 
 S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly 
 different to Windows or Linux.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Peter Schofield
 psaut...@gmail.com
 
 
 On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote:
 
 Hi :)
 I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs?  Any idea of how to 
 help this chap with his keyboard issues?
 
 Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list.  If 
 you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer 
 anyway so don't worry about it.   
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon m...@manngo.net wrote:
 
 From: Mark Simon m...@manngo.net
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
 To: us...@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31
 
 A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). 
 When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I 
 laughed and said Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice, or 
 something like that.
 
 However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On 
 my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. 
 The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then 
 completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK.
 
 I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed.
 
 Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...?
 
 -- 
 
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Tom
Hi :)
It's not hugely useful right now but it's being discussed there.  Sometimes
they ignore a question or launch off into weird rants but once a question
starts getting discussed rationally they usually arrive at a good answer
eventually.  

Regards from
Tom :)

Ps  So, so far


Tinkerer wrote
 
 I only use the system short cuts, which appear in the menus.
 I have no problems with any of them ,including CMD C and CMD V.
 
 If you create additional keyboard cuts, then these must be Saved.
 Having saved them, they must consequentially be Loaded if you wish to
 use them.
 If the keys you have assigned conflict with system keys, the system key
 will be replaced.
 That is my understanding, perhaps someone will correct me.
 
 Tink.
 

Before that was Alex's


Alex Thurgood wrote
 
 I fear you could well be correct. The Getting Started Guide contained 
 references to using Mac keyboard shortcuts, but I don't know whether 
 that addresses your specific problem. I read on a French list yesterday 
 or the day before that you have to deactivate system keyboard shortcuts 
 in order to get your own LO specific ones to work. Haven't tried though. 
 My own personal experience previously with OOo on Mac and shortcut keys 
 was that it was too fiddly to set up and then would just stop working 
 from one version to the next. With LO, the normal shortcut keys often 
 simply didn't work (things like Cmd-C/Cmd-V for example) in some of LO's 
 modules (Basic IDE, formula editor, Calc, for example).
 
 Alex
 
 


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Jean Weber
I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user. And 
once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide chapters 
about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be something weird 
about the OP's setup). As you note below, the responses on the users list 
aren't too useful yet. So often people talk a lot about a different (related) 
question, not the one that was asked. Has anyone checked on the Mac section of 
the forum?

Jean

On 03/03/2012, at 7:31, Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 It's not hugely useful right now but it's being discussed there.  Sometimes
 they ignore a question or launch off into weird rants but once a question
 starts getting discussed rationally they usually arrive at a good answer
 eventually.  
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 Ps  So, so far
 
 
 Tinkerer wrote
 
 I only use the system short cuts, which appear in the menus.
 I have no problems with any of them ,including CMD C and CMD V.
 
 If you create additional keyboard cuts, then these must be Saved.
 Having saved them, they must consequentially be Loaded if you wish to
 use them.
 If the keys you have assigned conflict with system keys, the system key
 will be replaced.
 That is my understanding, perhaps someone will correct me.
 
 Tink.
 
 
 Before that was Alex's
 
 
 Alex Thurgood wrote
 
 I fear you could well be correct. The Getting Started Guide contained 
 references to using Mac keyboard shortcuts, but I don't know whether 
 that addresses your specific problem. I read on a French list yesterday 
 or the day before that you have to deactivate system keyboard shortcuts 
 in order to get your own LO specific ones to work. Haven't tried though. 
 My own personal experience previously with OOo on Mac and shortcut keys 
 was that it was too fiddly to set up and then would just stop working 
 from one version to the next. With LO, the normal shortcut keys often 
 simply didn't work (things like Cmd-C/Cmd-V for example) in some of LO's 
 modules (Basic IDE, formula editor, Calc, for example).
 
 Alex
 
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Nino Novak
Hi all,

On Saturday 03 March 2012, 09:15:31 Jean Weber wrote:

 I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user.
 And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide
 chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be
 something weird about the OP's setup).

Maybe such a question or Q/A pair is are also something for the new askBot 
(http://ask.libreoffice.org)? Did you check already?

Regards, Nino

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts

2012-03-02 Thread Jean Weber
On 03/03/2012, at 17:16, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 On Saturday 03 March 2012, 09:15:31 Jean Weber wrote:
 
 I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user.
 And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide
 chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be
 something weird about the OP's setup).
 
 Maybe such a question or Q/A pair is are also something for the new askBot 
 (http://ask.libreoffice.org)? Did you check already?
 
 Regards, Nino
 

No, I forgot about that. Good idea. I'm hoping that someone on the users list 
follow up and find the answer. I can't easily check websites right now, so it 
falls into the same category as has anyone checked the forums? If people wait 
for me, it may never happen.

Jean
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