Re: [libreoffice-documentation] X-refs to figures & tables in LO user guides

[Olivier Hallot]

Hello Jean

Em 19/04/2020 21:12, Jean Weber escreveu:
> Olivier,
> Please confirm that my understanding is correct about x-refs to
> figures and tables in the user guides: The category name ("Figure" or
> Table") should be typed, and the x-ref set to "Numbering" not
> "Category and Number". (This is a change from our practice a few years
> ago.)
> 
This is correct. The category is not properly translated into other
languages, so it is safer to have it typed and the x-ref restricted to
the number.

As background, I once translated some chapters of A. Pitoniak's Macro
book and I run into troubles with the untranslatable x-ref category
"listing".


> I notice that the Draw Guide chapters Peter S has published (after
> Claire's review) have the figure refs done in the old style. I think
> they need to be changed, but I wanted to verify this with you first.
> 
> Jean
> 

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[libreoffice-documentation] X-refs to figures & tables in LO user guides

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,
Please confirm that my understanding is correct about x-refs to
figures and tables in the user guides: The category name ("Figure" or
Table") should be typed, and the x-ref set to "Numbering" not
"Category and Number". (This is a change from our practice a few years
ago.)

I notice that the Draw Guide chapters Peter S has published (after
Claire's review) have the figure refs done in the old style. I think
they need to be changed, but I wanted to verify this with you first.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating Writer Guide from v6.0 to 6.4

[Jean Weber]

Kenneth,
I don't find any notes to myself, other than the general comment that
the Styles and Formatting pane/deck/whatever-it's-called in the
Sidebar is now just Styles. Also I suspect there's some lack of
consistency in the use of sidebar terminology, and in the use of terms
to described tabbed pages in a dialog. I don't remember what our
latest consensus is (if we have one) on these topics, and I'm fairly
sure the Contributors' Guide is no help because it's not been updated.
(I may get around to updating the relevant bits of it, after
researching what it should say - but don't count on that.)

Jean

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:57 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I'll check, but I don't recall any notes on those chapters. Thanks for
> the advance notice.
> Jean
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:43 AM Kenneth Hanson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm planning to take the chapters on styles, ch. 8 and 9.
> >
> > Jean, if you have any notes on things that need to be changed, I probably 
> > won't start working on this until later this week.
> >
> > --Kenneth

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: No contents info in WG6.0 PDF?

[Jean Weber]

Sorry, I meant "sidebar table of contents", which are created when one
ticks the box for "Export bookmarks" in the PDF Export dialog.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:48 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I've now checked, and it appears that I was misremembering; the
> website link does not appear to pick up the file from the wiki.
>
> As for the lack of sidebar bookmarks, I realise that I never remember
> to tick that box on the PDF Export dialog. I'll put that on my
> checklist for future books. Sorry, and thank you.
>
> Jean
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:28 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > If you know how to replace a file on the wiki, you can do it yourself.
> > I think the website link picks up the file from the wiki, but if not, then 
> > Olivier is the person to fix that.
> >
> > If/when I’m on the computer later today, I’ll have a look.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 06:42 Kenneth Hanson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Any takers?
> >>
> >> --Kenneth
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Kenneth Hanson  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The published PDF version of Writer Guide 6.0 appears to have no contents
> >> > info. (Meaning the contents in the navigation for a PDF viewer, not the
> >> > table of contents in the document.) I re-downloaded from both the docs 
> >> > site
> >> > and the wiki to confirm.
> >> >
> >> > When I exported the published ODT as PDF, I was able to view the contents
> >> > as expected.
> >> >
> >> > The PDF for Getting Started 6.0 appears to be fine. I haven't checked any
> >> > others.
> >> >
> >> > Could someone confirm and correct this?
> >> >
> >> > --Kenneth
> >> >

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: No contents info in WG6.0 PDF?

[Jean Weber]

I've now checked, and it appears that I was misremembering; the
website link does not appear to pick up the file from the wiki.

As for the lack of sidebar bookmarks, I realise that I never remember
to tick that box on the PDF Export dialog. I'll put that on my
checklist for future books. Sorry, and thank you.

Jean

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:28 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> If you know how to replace a file on the wiki, you can do it yourself.
> I think the website link picks up the file from the wiki, but if not, then 
> Olivier is the person to fix that.
>
> If/when I’m on the computer later today, I’ll have a look.
>
> Jean
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 06:42 Kenneth Hanson  wrote:
>>
>> Any takers?
>>
>> --Kenneth
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Kenneth Hanson  wrote:
>>
>> > The published PDF version of Writer Guide 6.0 appears to have no contents
>> > info. (Meaning the contents in the navigation for a PDF viewer, not the
>> > table of contents in the document.) I re-downloaded from both the docs site
>> > and the wiki to confirm.
>> >
>> > When I exported the published ODT as PDF, I was able to view the contents
>> > as expected.
>> >
>> > The PDF for Getting Started 6.0 appears to be fine. I haven't checked any
>> > others.
>> >
>> > Could someone confirm and correct this?
>> >
>> > --Kenneth
>> >

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: No contents info in WG6.0 PDF?

[Jean Weber]

If you know how to replace a file on the wiki, you can do it yourself.
I think the website link picks up the file from the wiki, but if not, then
Olivier is the person to fix that.

If/when I’m on the computer later today, I’ll have a look.

Jean

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 06:42 Kenneth Hanson  wrote:

> Any takers?
>
> --Kenneth
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Kenneth Hanson 
> wrote:
>
> > The published PDF version of Writer Guide 6.0 appears to have no contents
> > info. (Meaning the contents in the navigation for a PDF viewer, not the
> > table of contents in the document.) I re-downloaded from both the docs
> site
> > and the wiki to confirm.
> >
> > When I exported the published ODT as PDF, I was able to view the contents
> > as expected.
> >
> > The PDF for Getting Started 6.0 appears to be fine. I haven't checked any
> > others.
> >
> > Could someone confirm and correct this?
> >
> > --Kenneth
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Dan Lewis]

On 4/18/20 10:10, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Rob,

seems I don't understand enough English to get the right words for it.
Could be it is only a problem in the translated book. I have had a look
at the German original and couldn't find any problematic content there.

Regards

Robert


I am not sure that it is in the translation. Here is why:

German version:

Die Feldnamen "Vorname", "Nachname" und "Geburtstag" dürften klar sein. 
Zusätzlich wurde ein Feld mit der Bezeichnung "ID" eingetragen. Dieses 
Feld soll später einen Wert aufnehmen, der die einzigartige Eigenschaft 
eines jeden Datensatzes ist. So ein einzigartiges Schlüsselfeld ist für 
die eingebettete Datenbank notwendig. Ansonsten lassen sich keine 
Datensätze in die Tabelle eingeben. Dieses Schlüsselfeld wird bei 
Datenbanken als «Primärschlüssel» bezeichnet.


Google's translation:

The field names "first name", "last name" and "birthday" should be 
clear. In addition, a field with the name "ID" was entered. This field 
will later hold a value that is the unique property of each record. Such 
a unique key field is necessary for the embedded database. Otherwise, no 
data records can be entered in the table. This key field is referred to 
as “primary key” in databases.


However, this paragraph needs to be rewritten to make it more 
meaningful. As Robert has pointed out, tables can be created in the Base 
GUI. Data can be added to such a table using Tools > SQL. My question to 
Robert is this: How can a table without a primary key be accessed in 
terms of forms, and reports? I know queries can be created with Tools > 
SQL.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating Writer Guide from v6.0 to 6.4

[Jean Weber]

I'll check, but I don't recall any notes on those chapters. Thanks for
the advance notice.
Jean

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:43 AM Kenneth Hanson  wrote:
>
> I'm planning to take the chapters on styles, ch. 8 and 9.
>
> Jean, if you have any notes on things that need to be changed, I probably 
> won't start working on this until later this week.
>
> --Kenneth
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:23 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>>
>> Claire,
>> Two chapters in the Getting Started Guide 6.4 need a second review:
>> Impress and Draw. They are in the Feedback folder there. (Peter S did
>> the first review on them.)
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:00 AM Claire Wood  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, I’m caught up with Peter
>> >
>> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 21:48, Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Claire,
>> >>
>> >> Updating a Writer Guide chapter from 6.0 to 6.4 shouldn’t take any longer
>> >> than reviewing it properly as it involves much the same work. No 
>> >> commitment
>> >> needed beyond one chapter at a time.
>> >>
>> >> But it’s up to you, and reviewing is certainly needed and very welcome.
>> >> Weren’t you reviewing Peter’s updates to the Draw Guide? Have you caught 
>> >> up?
>> >>
>> >> Jean
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 00:57 Claire Wood  
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If it’s ok with everyone although I am free at present I would like to
>> >> > review the chapters as they’re updated. Although I’ve been furloughed 
>> >> > in my
>> >> > regular job, I didn’t want to say I’d commit to updating anything in 
>> >> > case
>> >> > my situation changes in the coming couple of weeks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Kind regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Claire
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 05:51, Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> For people working on this update:
>> >> >> 1) Remember to check the Release Notes for v6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.4.
>> >> >> 2) Many minor changes are not given in the release notes, so be sure to
>> >> >> verify what’s written. If it doesn’t correspond to what you see, it 
>> >> >> might
>> >> >> be an error in the v6.0 book or it might be a change in the software.
>> >> >> Either way, what’s written needs to be changed.
>> >> >> 3) Be especially wary of features that are no longer there or methods 
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> no longer work, and thus need to be removed from the book.
>> >> >> 4) Some chapters may still have instructions that were originally
>> >> >> workarounds for missing features, but the features are now there so the
>> >> >> workarounds are no longer needed (although they may work perfectly 
>> >> >> well).
>> >> >> I’ll try to find time to make a list of the ones I remember.
>> >> >> 5) Related to 4), some examples in some chapters are now a bit silly 
>> >> >> (why
>> >> >> do something the hard way if an easy way now exists?) and should be
>> >> >> replaced by better examples or removed.
>> >> >> 6) Don’t believe much of what’s in Ch2 of the Contributors Guide. I’m
>> >> >> updating it, slowly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I’m sure there are others; I’ll post again when I think of them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jean
>> >> >>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4

[Jean Weber]

I have placed an annotated copy of Chapter 13, Mail Merge, in the
“Annotated pre draft” folder for WG6.4.

I have made some notes on things I know need to be done to update this
chapter. I have not checked everything, so there are probably other
things to do. It hasn't been properly reviewed and updated in a long
time. (Yes, I didn't do a proper job last time.)

--Jean

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I plan to make a folder for “annotated pre draft” files and put there some 
> chapters with my comments in them about things I know need to be updated. If 
> the updates are quick & easy to do, I’ll probably just do them myself, but if 
> they need more work I will leave them for others because I don’t have time to 
> deal with them now. For example, I know changes are needed in the Mail Merge 
> chapter that require screen captures from a suitable data source. The Fields 
> chapter still has, I think, some obsolete examples. And others.
>
> If you plan to update a WG chapter, please look first in the Annotated Pre 
> Draft folder for v6.4 to see if a file for that chapter is in there. 
> Otherwise, use the file from WG 6.0 Published folder as a starting point.
>
> (I could make a spreadsheet of known changes required, and I might do that as 
> a summary, but I think having comments in the files, where the work is 
> needed, is most useful.)
>
> Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating Writer Guide from v6.0 to 6.4

[Kenneth Hanson]

I'm planning to take the chapters on styles, ch. 8 and 9.

Jean, if you have any notes on things that need to be changed, I probably
won't start working on this until later this week.

--Kenneth


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:23 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

> Claire,
> Two chapters in the Getting Started Guide 6.4 need a second review:
> Impress and Draw. They are in the Feedback folder there. (Peter S did
> the first review on them.)
>
> Jean
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:00 AM Claire Wood 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I’m caught up with Peter
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 21:48, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >>
> >> Claire,
> >>
> >> Updating a Writer Guide chapter from 6.0 to 6.4 shouldn’t take any
> longer
> >> than reviewing it properly as it involves much the same work. No
> commitment
> >> needed beyond one chapter at a time.
> >>
> >> But it’s up to you, and reviewing is certainly needed and very welcome.
> >> Weren’t you reviewing Peter’s updates to the Draw Guide? Have you
> caught up?
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>
> >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 00:57 Claire Wood 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > If it’s ok with everyone although I am free at present I would like to
> >> > review the chapters as they’re updated. Although I’ve been furloughed
> in my
> >> > regular job, I didn’t want to say I’d commit to updating anything in
> case
> >> > my situation changes in the coming couple of weeks.
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> > Claire
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 05:51, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> For people working on this update:
> >> >> 1) Remember to check the Release Notes for v6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.4.
> >> >> 2) Many minor changes are not given in the release notes, so be sure
> to
> >> >> verify what’s written. If it doesn’t correspond to what you see, it
> might
> >> >> be an error in the v6.0 book or it might be a change in the software.
> >> >> Either way, what’s written needs to be changed.
> >> >> 3) Be especially wary of features that are no longer there or
> methods that
> >> >> no longer work, and thus need to be removed from the book.
> >> >> 4) Some chapters may still have instructions that were originally
> >> >> workarounds for missing features, but the features are now there so
> the
> >> >> workarounds are no longer needed (although they may work perfectly
> well).
> >> >> I’ll try to find time to make a list of the ones I remember.
> >> >> 5) Related to 4), some examples in some chapters are now a bit silly
> (why
> >> >> do something the hard way if an easy way now exists?) and should be
> >> >> replaced by better examples or removed.
> >> >> 6) Don’t believe much of what’s in Ch2 of the Contributors Guide. I’m
> >> >> updating it, slowly.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’m sure there are others; I’ll post again when I think of them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jean
> >> >>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: No contents info in WG6.0 PDF?

[Kenneth Hanson]

Any takers?

--Kenneth


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Kenneth Hanson  wrote:

> The published PDF version of Writer Guide 6.0 appears to have no contents
> info. (Meaning the contents in the navigation for a PDF viewer, not the
> table of contents in the document.) I re-downloaded from both the docs site
> and the wiki to confirm.
>
> When I exported the published ODT as PDF, I was able to view the contents
> as expected.
>
> The PDF for Getting Started 6.0 appears to be fine. I haven't checked any
> others.
>
> Could someone confirm and correct this?
>
> --Kenneth
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Wiki

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi Peter (and all team members)

To edit the wiki page you must be able to log in in the wiki. This is
likely possible since you are already in the Cloud.

* Please access the wiki page and click Enter in  the top right of the
screen.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Team

* Enter your login if not already logged in.
* The heading "Documentation Team" has a "edit" link on the right. Click
on it. The wiki page edition opens.
* Copy and paste the contents below (sample) after the last entry.
* Modify the contents with your data.
* On the bottom of the edit page, click on "Show preview" to check how
it looks,
* fix accordingly.
* once ready, fill the "edition summary" line with a comment
* Click Save

Some hints

---8<  sample
|-
| [[File:mypicture.jpg|150px]]
| My name
| [[User:myWikiLogin|My Wiki Login]]
|
* my topic of interest
| [https://myblog]
| My background
---8<  sample

Wiki markup:
|- = New table row
|  = new cell (in row)
* = unordered list entry

To upload a picture/photo: on another browser tab with a wiki page
displayed, click on the link "Upload file" on the left and follow the
procedures. Back to the team page, adjust the entry [[File: ...]],
Please keep the size in pixels to 150px.

I hope this helps all of you.

Kind regards

Em 19/04/2020 04:31, Peter Schofield escreveu:
> Hello Olivier
> 
> Never done this before, but how do I add myself to the Documentation Team 
> Wiki page?
> Could you please help and send me the how to.
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4

[Stephen Fanning]

 All,

I have (finally) finished my 2nd review of the draft Getting Started with
Base chapter of the 6.4 Getting Started Guide. Many apologies for the time
this took, but that was mainly due to the number of significant issues that
were found in the document when I downloaded it after the 1st review had
concluded.

I am recommending that this chapter re-starts its review cycle and Dan
Lewis has kindly agreed to do the 1st review of this update.

The updated file is in the Drafts folder (with changes tracked).

Regards,

Steve Fanning

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Stephen Fanning 
wrote:

> Following discussion at this evening's Documentation Team meeting, I have
> re-taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review.
>
> It was agreed that in areas of functionality where the system doesn't
> currently work as intended, I should review the draft against the last
> known working build which, in this case, was said to be 6.3.5.2.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 18:25, Stephen Fanning 
> wrote:
>
>> As indicated in a separate thread, I've struggled to follow the
>> instructions specified in chapter 8 to create a table using the Table
>> Wizard. Bug 131576 has been raised.
>>
>> So for the moment I have abandoned my review and removed my name from the
>> relevant entry in the Guide Status spreadsheet.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 19:31, Stephen Fanning 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 15:37, Stephen Fanning <
>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned
 it to the Feedback folder.

 Regards,

 Steve


 On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the
> Feedback folder.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning <
> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for
>> first review.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning <
>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts)
>>> and placed the updated document in the Feedback folder.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing
>>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am 
>>> very
>>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for  many of 
>>> the
>>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most 
>>> likely) or
>>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not
>>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material 
>>> give
>>> the page a quick review?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Fanning
>>>
>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning <
>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review.

 Regards,

 Steve


 On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have completed the first review of  Chapter 9 (Getting Started
> with Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning <
> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML
>> files) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder.
>>
>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first
>> review.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning <
>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning <
>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback
 folder.

 Regards,

 Steve


 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the
> Feedback folder.
>
> 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide — 3D Effects

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Martin,

Martin Srebotnjak schrieb am 19-Apr-20 um 11:15:

Thanks, Peter, for noting that.

It seems that we need a wiki page with all the thing that are not funcional
in macOS.


I think, a wiki page is not the right place. Keep it in Bugzilla. We 
have currently 310 open bugs with Mac OS [1].


You could create a [META] bug and add all reports, for which it is 
verified, that the report is indeed a bug and that only Mac OS is affected.


[1] 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED_status=REOPENED_id=1120543_sys=Mac%20OS%20X%20%28All%29=LibreOffice_format=advanced




Since most programmers of LO write/say what Regina wrote here, it would
maybe help if TDF could buy one mac and have it available to LO programmers
and testers via remote desktop to text/locate/fix such issues.


It should be no problem for TDF to provide suitable hardware on loan to 
a developer. The real problem is to find a LibreOffice developer with 
interest and knowledge in Mac OS to work on the bugs besides his daily job.


I have no idea, whether something like remote desktop would work, but 
infra team should know.


For testers exists the similar problem: Do we have testers, who would 
regularly test on Mac OS?


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Pulkit Krishna]

Hello Peter and Rob,
I thought about Peter when I first read Rob's message. Perhaps, if Rob does
the first review of the chapters of the base guide 6.4 then Peter can take
them for their second review and make sure good English is used. That way
both tasks would be fulfilled- database errors would be removed and English
would become good. As for figures I agree with Jean. We should do all this
in the v6.4 not v6.2. We should let v6.2 be published because Base Guide
has not been updated since v4.0 I think. I have already prepared the drafts
of first 6 chapters of v6.4. If Rob can take it for its first review it
would be great. I think Peter, you are busy with Draw guide. Can you manage
the two at once? As for time I think we have much for v6.4. v7.0 is going
to be released in August, so if we complete v6.4 by end of July, and it
would have no or only little mistakes, then I think it wouldn't take more
than a month to update it to v7.0. It depends how base changes in going to
v7.0.
Pulkit Krishna


On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:56 PM Peter Schofield  wrote:

> I do not have the Base skills as I have only cretics very simple databases
> in past. However, I think my English skills are good and could always help.
> The question is time available.
>
> Jean you mentioned figures for Base in one message. To me figures should
> always be numbered and captioned. That way it makes it easier to refer to
> figures.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On 19 Apr 2020, at 02:13, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21 AM Rob Westein  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Robert,
> >>
> >> On 18-04-2020 16:10, Robert Großkopf wrote:
> >>> Hi Rob,
> >>>
> >>> seems I don't understand enough English to get the right words for it.
> >>> Could be it is only a problem in the translated book. I have had a look
> >>> at the German original and couldn't find any problematic content there.
> >> I already thought it was a translation problem... so I hope that some
> >> people with database knowledge will check the text, and not only look at
> >> grammar errors.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >
> > For several years, we've been trying to find people who have the
> > knowledge, the time, and the English skills to review and improve the
> > text. I questioned some things in the book while I was reviewing
> > chapters, but my knowledge is limited to quite simple databases.
> >
> > If you (or anyone else) can help with this, we would all be very glad.
> > But perhaps not holding up publication of the v6.x book; instead,
> > working toward a much improved book for LO v7.
> >
> >
> > Jean
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Rob Westein]

Hi All,

On 19-04-2020 09:25, Peter Schofield wrote:

I do not have the Base skills as I have only cretics very simple databases in 
past. However, I think my English skills are good and could always help. The 
question is time available.


The same goes for me: Time availability for now I will working on 
the screenshots... and translation of the Sample databases to Dutch for 
the Dutch Base manual.


What is the time planning for the V7 release of the manual?

/Rob



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Pulkit Krishna]

Hello Jean,
Not only you but Dan and Drew have also reviewed the chapters. But Rob is
welcome to do the review of the 6.4 chapters.

Pulkit Krishna

On 19 Apr 2020 5:44 a.m., "Jean Weber"  wrote:

> Because I am mentioned in this discussion, I will respond here. I
> noticed the lack of figure numbers and captions, but I did not
> recommend adding them in the v6.x versions of the book because we were
> in a hurry to get the book done. I was going to suggest that for v7.
>
> Also, my knowledge of databases is fairly limited. I know a lot of
> theory but have little experience beyond very simple ones. I did not
> test everything, and I did question some things, but I would not like
> to say there is "very little chance of error".
>
> Jean
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 5:07 PM Pulkit Krishna
> mailto:pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >   I do not know if it is important to number all the figures in a
> >   chapter. Anyway Jean does not think so because the chapter was
> >   reviwed by her. The chapter has been reviewed twice and it was
> >   decided that we are not to change the screenshots in v6.2. I am
> >   updating the guide to v6.4. You can take the chapters of v6.4 to
> >   replace the screenshots. Ubuntu would do. The chapter was
> >   reviewed by Dan and Jean. So there is very less chance of error.
> >
> >On 18 Apr 2020 4:39 p.m., "Rob Westein"  >> wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >   I'm a bit worried of the quality of the Base Guide. Due to the
> > >   speed of translating the Base Guide I am afraid that the
> > >   quality of the guide is less than normal.
> > >   [...]
>
> > >   another thing what we have seen in de manual while translating
> > >   it into the Dutch language is the usage of numbered captions
> > >   for images in the manual.
> > >   In "Introduction to Base (6.2)" chapter and only the first 10
> > >   images are having numbered captions and after that it stops...
> > >   why is this?
> > >   Going thru the text It was sometimes not clear which text is
> > >   related to an image
> > >
> > >   Seen this also in the "Creating a Database" chapter.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide — 3D Effects

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Peter, for noting that.

It seems that we need a wiki page with all the thing that are not funcional
in macOS.

Since most programmers of LO write/say what Regina wrote here, it would
maybe help if TDF could buy one mac and have it available to LO programmers
and testers via remote desktop to text/locate/fix such issues. Regina,
would that make sense? I know there are macOS-specific developers on the
dev team, but maybe there are very specific fields (like this) where
actually a dev from that specific area could work/help faster with the
issue.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 18. apr. 2020 ob 13:15 je oseba Regina Henschel <
rb.hensc...@t-online.de> napisala:

> Hi Peter
>
> Peter Schofield schrieb am 18-Apr-20 um 12:57:
> > Hello Regina
> >
> > A few days ago I made a comment that I could not get 3D Effects dialog
> to open in Draw. I have now discovered the problem.
> >
> > In LO Draw version 6.4, 3D Effects dialog does not open. This only
> happens in macOS. Windows 10 version works OK.
> >
> > In LO Draw version 6.3, 3D Effects dialog opens without problem and the
> tools work in macOS.
> >
> > I have submitted a bug.
>
> I have seen the bug report. But I work on Windows and cannot do anything
> about the bug.
>
> You can use version 6.3. There were no changes on the dialog from 6.3 to
> 6.4.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Jean Weber]

Peter,
For the record: I disagree that *all* figures need a caption (with a figure
number), nor do all figures need a reference in the text, but yes *most* of
them do need one or both.

Jean

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:25 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> Jean you mentioned figures for Base in one message. To me figures should
> always be numbered and captioned. That way it makes it easier to refer to
> figures.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Peter Schofield]

I do not have the Base skills as I have only cretics very simple databases in 
past. However, I think my English skills are good and could always help. The 
question is time available.

Jean you mentioned figures for Base in one message. To me figures should always 
be numbered and captioned. That way it makes it easier to refer to figures.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com



> On 19 Apr 2020, at 02:13, Jean Weber  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21 AM Rob Westein  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> On 18-04-2020 16:10, Robert Großkopf wrote:
>>> Hi Rob,
>>> 
>>> seems I don't understand enough English to get the right words for it.
>>> Could be it is only a problem in the translated book. I have had a look
>>> at the German original and couldn't find any problematic content there.
>> I already thought it was a translation problem... so I hope that some
>> people with database knowledge will check the text, and not only look at
>> grammar errors.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rob
> 
> For several years, we've been trying to find people who have the
> knowledge, the time, and the English skills to review and improve the
> text. I questioned some things in the book while I was reviewing
> chapters, but my knowledge is limited to quite simple databases.
> 
> If you (or anyone else) can help with this, we would all be very glad.
> But perhaps not holding up publication of the v6.x book; instead,
> working toward a much improved book for LO v7.
> 
> 
> Jean
> 
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