Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
I use login and logout. Regards El mié, 27-06-2012 a las 06:06 -0400, Marc Paré escribió: I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Hello Jean and Tom In my opinion we need a dictionary of terms that everybody has to follow. The dictionary should also include the use on contractions and the apostrophe. I have used this type of dictionary before when I worked with Ericsson in Sweden and Netherlands. A few examples: Log in/log out not login/logout Set up not setup Cannot not can not or can't Do not not don't To not in order to It is not it's It does need a volunteer to do this and the dictionary could be included in the technical writers' guide. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 28 Jun 2012, at 02:57, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That is why i so often say i think or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion. The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion. When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17 Tom, You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style. Marc, I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check on something. --Jean On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think for documentation it might be good to use. log-in log-out but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
BTW, I am attending a sprint at the Open Help Conference in August, where we plan to produce -- or at least make great progress on -- an Open Source Style Guide which is intended to cover the things Peter mentioned, among others. I suggest we wait until after the sprint to put time into one of our own. Peter and anyone else, if you want to contribute at a distance on this project, let me know and I can pass on some info and get you in touch with the organiser. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
On 6/28/2012 2:58 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: Hello Jean and Tom In my opinion we need a dictionary of terms that everybody has to follow. The dictionary should also include the use on contractions and the apostrophe. I have used this type of dictionary before when I worked with Ericsson in Sweden and Netherlands. A few examples: Log in/log out not login/logout Set up not setup set up (setup) has two forms in common usage: set up as a verb and setup as a noun. Gary Cannot not can not or can't Do not not don't To not in order to It is not it's -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Hi :) I think for documentation it might be good to use. log-in log-out but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Tom, You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style. Marc, I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check on something. --Jean On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think for documentation it might be good to use. log-in log-out but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Marc, Standard practice is to use in the documentation the same term (and capitalisation) that appears on the item in the user interface. So if the button says Login then the docs would say You will find the Login button here. or Click the Login button. or similar. As for what the button itself should be called, I'm fairly sure that the majority of such buttons that I have seen recently are labelled Login or Logout. The spelling of login and logout (with or without a hyphen or space) in other sentence constructions is different. For example, as a verb form we would normally write, To log in, do . NOT To login, do . In the past, we've written things like, The log-in procedure is as follows... (where log-in is an adjective) but these days I personally would drop the hyphen and write, The login procedure... just to avoid having too many different spellings, the nuances of which are totally lost on most readers. I am aware that some other technical editors have different views on this subject. Hope this helps and does not further confuse things for the website team. :-) --Jean On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Hi :) That is why i so often say i think or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion. The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion. When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17 Tom, You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style. Marc, I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check on something. --Jean On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think for documentation it might be good to use. log-in log-out but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Marc did not ask for an opinion. Therefore offering an opinion in response to his question was IMO just noise. There are many questions where offering an opinion is appropriate and valuable, but IMO this wasn't one of them. Especially when a comment like even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout indicates you haven't a clue what you are talking about. --Jean On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) That is why i so often say i think or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion. The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion. When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17 Tom, You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style. Marc, I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check on something. --Jean On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think for documentation it might be good to use. log-in log-out but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this: You will find the _ button here. Do you (we) use: log-in login log in log -out logout log out Thanks for the help. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
