[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: callsign routing
Not quite true. If you have a small number of synced gateways talking to a Trust Server (which is actually the standard gateway software running in a Trust Server mode), when a station moves repeaters, the update is virtually instantaneous across all repeaters. In fact, after the initial database push, all you ever see are updates. However, if there are repeaters that are out-of-sync (determined by the UTC time-stamp on the database updates), then the Trust Server appears to fall-back to a periodic update, and that period is set by the time it takes to get round each repeater with the database update. So the issue is that the database update mechanism is not robust enough to cope with the fact that some repeaters may be uncontactable. This creates the current issues - 4 months ago, the interval between database updates was about 51 minutes. Today, I've counted at 1 hour. And it's the full database every time. 73 David - G4ULF --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Woodrick, Ed ewoodr...@... wrote: AFAIK, the ONLY updating that occurs is to the Trust Server and then replicated out. So one repeater will not update another repeater system. The only exception, with the latest gateway software, is that if you move between modules on the same system, the local system will redirect the call to the module that you are on. Ed WA4YIH From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cooley Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:50 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: callsign routing Tony and John , I agree fully. And yes it is best to announce how you are coming in. */Here is a question for the Gateway Experts:/* On the issue of Update Latency; When a user call sign routes into a repeater does that repeater update the users table with their current information? Example: Lets say I have been on W1AW and now switch to W2AW. I make a (call sign route) call to N2LZ who is on W3AW . Will W3AW update my location information immediately with my new location (W2AW) or does it have to wait until the trust server update? If it would update from the traffic information, the mobile user could just make a callsign routed call back to their home repeater (or in Frans case, his sons home repeater), and this would immediately update their location on that repeater. I realize this doesn't correct the problem of update latency, but I think in many situations would provide an acceptable work around as most users only communicate with one or two repeaters on a regular basis. Food For Thought! Dave Cooley Brandon, Fl.
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
I am working with the Fort Bend County Office of Emergency Management and they have some D-Star capable radios that I am doing some of the memory programming. One of the IC-91AD radios I was loading memories did not seem to work on 2 meter Digital transmit; neither the call sign nor the message appeard on a adjscent radio tuned to same frequency. It did seem to receive fine. The 70 cm transmit and receive worked fine. When I went to 2 meter FM I heard a buzzing sound in the adjacent receiver. I could talk loadly into the 91AD and hear my voice in the other reciever, but the buzz sound was still very strong. Has anyone heard of this problem??? I am wondering if I accidentally set something that might be causing this problem. I have done an All Reset (While pushing and holding [VFO], [MR] and [BAND], then turn power ON to reset the CPU.) three times (checking the radio after each time and even reloading the memories). My understanding is that this should set all the settings back to factory original, but I am wondering if there might be something that can be set and is not reset by the All Reset??? Thanks for any help. 73, Charles WB5EXI
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
I think your problem is that you are listening to a DV transmission in FM mode. All you will hear is a buzz. You need to have both radios in the same mode. Fran http://weather.miele-family.com/ _ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CharlesK Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:24 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit I am working with the Fort Bend County Office of Emergency Management and they have some D-Star capable radios that I am doing some of the memory programming. One of the IC-91AD radios I was loading memories did not seem to work on 2 meter Digital transmit; neither the call sign nor the message appeard on a adjscent radio tuned to same frequency. It did seem to receive fine. The 70 cm transmit and receive worked fine. When I went to 2 meter FM I heard a buzzing sound in the adjacent receiver. I could talk loadly into the 91AD and hear my voice in the other reciever, but the buzz sound was still very strong. Has anyone heard of this problem??? I am wondering if I accidentally set something that might be causing this problem. I have done an All Reset (While pushing and holding [VFO], [MR] and [BAND], then turn power ON to reset the CPU.) three times (checking the radio after each time and even reloading the memories). My understanding is that this should set all the settings back to factory original, but I am wondering if there might be something that can be set and is not reset by the All Reset??? Thanks for any help. 73, Charles WB5EXI image001.gif
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Fran, Thank you. I initially thought that also, but checked and I was in FM mode for both radios when I heard the buzzing sound and could talk over the buzz and actually hear myself on FM in the other radio. When both radios were in DV mode, the call sign and message from the buzzing radio did not show on the other radio on 2 meters, but was fine on 70cm DV mode. 73, Charles WB5EXI I think your problem is that you are listening to a DV transmission in FM mode. All you will hear is a buzz. You need to have both radios in the same mode. Fran
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
John, I had 2 91AD's that I was loading memories and testing. 91AD A to 91AD B call sign and message went fine on DV and No Buzz on FM from A to B; same distance B to A DV did not work and Buzz heard. On 70 cm everything worked fine A to B and B to A. On an IC-2820 with remote antenna same affect when trying to use 91AD B. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays j...@... wrote: Charles, How adjacent was the second radio (I assume it was a 91AD)? I have found that you should have about 10 feet or so separation between the 91ADs (depending on power setting) or you can run into problems with callsign/message as you describe. The buzzing is a separate issue, I think -- were you running off batteries or with the charge plugged in, etc.? John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@... Phone: 206-801-0820 801-790-0950 Fax: 866-309-6077 Email: j...@...
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Charles, OK, just wanted to verify. It's hard to diagnose from a distance, but I would suspect a defect in in 91AD B based on the description you have provided. On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:55 AM, CharlesK wrote: John, I had 2 91AD's that I was loading memories and testing. 91AD A to 91AD B call sign and message went fine on DV and No Buzz on FM from A to B; same distance B to A DV did not work and Buzz heard. On 70 cm everything worked fine A to B and B to A. On an IC-2820 with remote antenna same affect when trying to use 91AD B. 73, Charles WB5EXI John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org Email: j...@hays.org
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
John, I appreciate any ideas or thoughts or things to check. I also think it may be a problem/defect with the radio, but wanted to check with others just in case there might be some setting in the radio that I might have accidentally done/set that is not reset to factory defaults with the Reset All function. These radios were purchased by the County over a year ago and I am not sure if they were every operated until now. They are probably out of warantee and would require some expenditure of funds to get fixed. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays j...@... wrote: Charles, OK, just wanted to verify. It's hard to diagnose from a distance, but I would suspect a defect in in 91AD B based on the description you have provided. John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Check the D-Star board hasn't come loose inside or has dirty pins 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: CharlesK To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit John, I appreciate any ideas or thoughts or things to check. I also think it may be a problem/defect with the radio, but wanted to check with others just in case there might be some setting in the radio that I might have accidentally done/set that is not reset to factory defaults with the Reset All function. These radios were purchased by the County over a year ago and I am not sure if they were every operated until now. They are probably out of warantee and would require some expenditure of funds to get fixed. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays j...@... wrote: Charles, OK, just wanted to verify. It's hard to diagnose from a distance, but I would suspect a defect in in 91AD B based on the description you have provided. John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Charles, I don't remember if you said you were programming these radios by hand or using software. If using software, a full reset of the radio wouldn't be a bad idea as you can quickly reload memories. If you have the Icom RS91 software, it should be easy (additional help on my site at http://k7ve.org/site/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=12Itemid=26 ) -- or look at CHIRP http://chirp.danplanet.com/wiki/ On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:22 AM, CharlesK wrote: John, I appreciate any ideas or thoughts or things to check. I also think it may be a problem/defect with the radio, but wanted to check with others just in case there might be some setting in the radio that I might have accidentally done/set that is not reset to factory defaults with the Reset All function. These radios were purchased by the County over a year ago and I am not sure if they were every operated until now. They are probably out of warantee and would require some expenditure of funds to get fixed. 73, Charles WB5EXI John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org Email: j...@hays.org
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Neil, Thank you. I did take the D-Star board out and re-installed it with no affect. But you do give me a idea, which is to take the D-Star board out and see if the Buzz on 2 meter FM is still present. I will try that the next time I have access to the radio. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Neil barrym...@... wrote: Check the D-Star board hasn't come loose inside or has dirty pins 73 Neil.
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
John, My original question/email did state that I had done a Reset All on the radio three times and tested after each reset, just in case. I have been using the Chirp program for both the IC-2820's and IC-91AD's with very good luck doing multiple radios in a reasonable time. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays j...@... wrote: Charles, I don't remember if you said you were programming these radios by hand or using software. If using software, a full reset of the radio wouldn't be a bad idea as you can quickly reload memories. If you have the Icom RS91 software, it should be easy (additional help on my site at http://k7ve.org/site/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=12Itemid=26 ) -- or look at CHIRP http://chirp.danplanet.com/wiki/
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit
Try swapping them too?? Strange its only on the one band. My trusty old E90 developed a VFO fault after tightening up the SMA socket, the plastic ribbon had come loose. Removing and refitting solved the problem. Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: CharlesK To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-91AD Buzz on 2 meter Transmit Neil, Thank you. I did take the D-Star board out and re-installed it with no affect. But you do give me a idea, which is to take the D-Star board out and see if the Buzz on 2 meter FM is still present. I will try that the next time I have access to the radio. 73, Charles WB5EXI --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Neil barrym...@... wrote: Check the D-Star board hasn't come loose inside or has dirty pins 73 Neil.
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Beeps
There are other reasons why the radio may generate a beep. The main one is loss of bit-sync. Every 21st frame has 0x55 0x2d 0x16 at the end - if you generate these at 20 or 22 frame intervals, sure enough, you get a beep. If you miss several, you get a beep. So, under weak conditions, you can hear more beeps as the radio struggles to re-sync the bit-stream. Spoken from coding experience of someone who has spent the last 12 months counting in 12 bytes x 21 frames :-) David --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Neil barrym...@... wrote: The beeps are generated (by the radio) when it 'thinks' the signal being recieved has finished, like a 'clear to send' request. Due to our really patchy coverage here in the UK, I experience many 'beeps' from the repeaters stream, while it drops in and out of range, it has nothing to do with what you are listening to, so same with simplex. Neil. - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr n...@... To: Justin G0KSC jus...@... Cc: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Beeps Technically this is also true. The beeps are just an indication that signal has dropped, and a configurable feature on some of the rigs to turn it off or change its volume level from the speaker. The information shown on the SCREEN however, is the actual notification about what the system thinks is going on. On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Justin G0KSC wrote: I think you will find the bleeps are from your radio. The receiver bleeps to notify you a DV signal has dropped, not the repeater. Try a simplex QSO, this will confirm this for you. - Original Message - From: Robbie De Lise To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Beeps As I experience it i think something like this: No beep: The repeater did not confirm your TX, prolly no RX on the repeater side 1st beep: The repeater (CALL A, B or C) confirms your TX 2nd beep: The gateway (CALL G) confirms your TX. Ofcourse, when someone pushes the PTT right after the BEEP or before the BEEP, the repeater does not have the time to send the confirmation out. (The confirmations are send seperately from the DV transmission) so: DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX if someone pushes the mike faster its like: DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX or even: DV TX stop TX DV TX stop TX Confirm Repeater TX (BEEP) stop TX Confirm Gateway TX (BEEP) stop TX I could also be completely wrong :) Let me know if someone else has the same experience. 73s Robbie On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Fran Miele f...@... wrote: Several of the users on our system have been discussing the beeps heard on a repeater and it is clear we really don't understand them. I'm sure this has been asked many times before but I can't seem to find a definite answer. Can someone explain the beeps that are heard at the end of a transmission on a repeater? Sometimes there are two, sometimes one and sometimes none. What do they mean, and why the variation? Thanks in advance, Fran, W1FJM Nate Duehr n...@... facebook.com/denverpilot twitter.com/denverpilot Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links
[DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ?
I'm new to D-Star and have not yet been able to register for gateway use. I've asked a couple of hams in my area about registering and was sent a link which didn't work for some reason. Because I drive longhaul trucks for a living I'm not home long enough to get with any one locally for help. My question is, does it really matter which website I register through for gateway use? Ralph N6GVG
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ?
At 01:05 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: I'm new to D-Star and have not yet been able to register for gateway use. I've asked a couple of hams in my area about registering and was sent a link which didn't work for some reason. Because I drive longhaul trucks for a living I'm not home long enough to get with any one locally for help. My question is, does it really matter which website I register through for gateway use? Normally, the convention is you register with the gateway that's closest to you. If you have one in your local area, register there, otherwise you could pick one in an area you're likely to frequent. Remember to register at only ONE gateway. Also, once your registration is approved, you have to create a terminal for your D-STAR radio, so it can access the network. There is documentation out there, someone will be able to supply the link. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ?
This is true. I'm registered to K5CTX where I used to live, but now I use VK3RWN. Never bothered changing the registration. -e VK3EJP / K5EJP From: Tony Langdon vk3...@gmail.com To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 2:02:40 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ? At 01:05 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: I'm new to D-Star and have not yet been able to register for gateway use. I've asked a couple of hams in my area about registering and was sent a link which didn't work for some reason. Because I drive longhaul trucks for a living I'm not home long enough to get with any one locally for help. My question is, does it really matter which website I register through for gateway use? Normally, the convention is you register with the gateway that's closest to you. If you have one in your local area, register there, otherwise you could pick one in an area you're likely to frequent. Remember to register at only ONE gateway. Also, once your registration is approved, you have to create a terminal for your D-STAR radio, so it can access the network. There is documentation out there, someone will be able to supply the link. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio. com
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ?
I'm going to reply to myself as something just struck me. When I use my new VK3 call I haven't had much luck getting outside the gateway (although I haven't tried that much)... I'm thinking I need to register my new call because it doesn't see me as K5EJP anymore. Interesting... -e VK3EJP / K5EJP From: Eric Pinnell epinnell2...@yahoo.com To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 2:11:01 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ? This is true. I'm registered to K5CTX where I used to live, but now I use VK3RWN. Never bothered changing the registration. -e VK3EJP / K5EJP From: Tony Langdon vk3...@gmail. com To: dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 2:02:40 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ? At 01:05 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: I'm new to D-Star and have not yet been able to register for gateway use. I've asked a couple of hams in my area about registering and was sent a link which didn't work for some reason. Because I drive longhaul trucks for a living I'm not home long enough to get with any one locally for help. My question is, does it really matter which website I register through for gateway use? Normally, the convention is you register with the gateway that's closest to you. If you have one in your local area, register there, otherwise you could pick one in an area you're likely to frequent. Remember to register at only ONE gateway. Also, once your registration is approved, you have to create a terminal for your D-STAR radio, so it can access the network. There is documentation out there, someone will be able to supply the link. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio. com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] newbe ?
At 02:11 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: This is true. I'm registered to K5CTX where I used to live, but now I use VK3RWN. Never bothered changing the registration. Yep, that would work. This is who I don't like the decentralised approach, it makes it hard for dongle users to know where to register, and people who move end up being registered somewhere far away! :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
