Re: [DX-CHAT] ProLog2k
Tom, To answer your specific question, there is a ProLog 2K reflector over on the www.qth.net system. Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/prolog2k for more information. Folks, In general, if you're looking for information, try your favorite search engine first, your 2nd favorite 2nd, and so on. Not that we're in the business of giving free plugs to other systems (we're not), but if you are looking for a specific amateur radio related reflector, http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo is a good place to look. You can also check out AC6V's thorough and extensive listings at www.ac6v.com. There are many, many, many more sources, but please, don't bombard the reflector with a how about so-and-so's site? reply email. 73, ron wn3vaw administrator, dx chat Doc? You built a time machine... out of a DeLorean? The way I look at it, if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, you might as well do it with style! -- Marty McFly Dr. Emmet Brown, Back to the Future - Original Message - From: Tom Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] ProLog2k Does anyone know if there is a reflector for the logging program Prolog 2K? I have some questions i would like answered... Tom AG2a Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] re:verticals
What can I do (save selling it or making ita tomato hanger - I already have a dummy load!) with a GAP Challenger - I got suckered into it last year at the Miami hamfest because I dont have room for anything but a vertical (especially on 160M) . A few days after I bought it, there was a 160M contest. I was screaming my brains out and made maybe 5 contacts. It heard halfway decent, but wouldnt xmit for crap. Is there someone who was able to 'fix' it? And if so, how? Also, has anyone used trap dipoles? I had one given to me sealed in a box (Hy-Gain 5B-DQ). I dont want to take it out if it isnt great - (I could sell it to make back some of the lost cash from the GAP!) I do have room for this, but I have a G5RV up now along with an R-6000 vertical. (works good) Tnx - 73 Tim KB4UF
Re: [DX-CHAT] Verticals
Actually Larry, this is probably the best way to proceed; since opinions can vary all over the map, you can collate them and let everyone know what the concensus appears to be. But if you want a few public comments... I should mention that years ago, when I worked in a (now defunct) ham store, I ended up corresponding quite a bit with Don Newcomb W0DN, the original owner of Butternut and the designer of the HF-V series verticals. He had quite a few opinions on radials and trap verticals... I really should dig those out and re-read them one of these days... I think of Don quite a bit, although I haven't heard from him since he sold Butternut to Bencher a few years back. He's one of the reasons I've had a small amount of success DX'ing. You see, one day, I sold someone a brand-new HF6V; that ham wanted to trade his Cushcraft vertical (AV4 or 5, I don't recall now) in on it. It was in pretty poor shape, so the store didn't take it on trade, but I bought it for myself on a side deal to supplement my wire. Well, later that day, I was talking to Don about an order and mentioned the transaction. He immediately offered to swap me, even, an HF6V for the Cushcraft -- supposedly the HF6V had been returned by an unhappy customer, tho when I got it, it sure looked brand new to me. Supposedly the swapped antenna went to the antenna farm for testing comparison, but I think one of the real reasons was that he wanted me to tell everyone that I was using his antenna at home for myself. Futher, about a year later, I was having some trouble with a local ham -- real bad trouble, had a windshield busted, harrasing phone calls, and so on. At one point, the HF6V got turned into an aluminum pretzel. So I placed an order for replacement parts (the lower two sections had the most damage). Don got wind of it and refused to take any money for the parts. You don't find too many good guys like this around anymore! It's been through three moves and storage, and about 8 years ago KQ3DX and I took it apart and he got the alumninum cleaned up at his workplace, but other than that, it's performed courageously for me -- and I still use it almost every day (if you hear me on 75 phone, 30, 20, or 15, that's the antenna I'm using. 80 CW I use the HF2V, both antennas split 40 duty, and I have a chimney-mounted AR-99 for 10 that splits duty with the HF6 too, and gives me 12 17 thru a tuner. What the heck, it works for me!) 73, ron wn3vaw Doc? You built a time machine... out of a DeLorean? The way I look at it, if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, you might as well do it with style! -- Marty McFly Dr. Emmet Brown, Back to the Future - Original Message - From: K4WLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Ref: Verticals Hmmm..verticals must be pretty private !! Nobody gone public. Lots folks like the Butternut HF-9V. One vote for an R-7/R-8. GAPs are good for dummy loads and holding up tomatoe plants. Anybody using any Cushcrafts ??? C'mon folks - radiate equally poor in all directions ?? Properly installed verticals have very good low angle of radiation. My 10 yr old homebrew works better on LP than SP, but it is severely oxidized !! Larry Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals
Sorry you're unhappy with the GAP Challenger. Just a couple things though. It is resonant on 80 meters but not 160 meters, so it is no surprise you screamed your lungs out without a response. The problem with most multiband antennas seems to be their lack of efficiency on the lowest band on which they are resonant. I can't say that I have 5BDXCC on my GAP, but I CAN tell you that I have 4 band dxcc, and with 327 entities worked and confirmed, I'll hit the honor roll next submission. That was all done on a GAP over several years. You shouldn't knock it until you've used other verticals. It could be worse. The Butternuts do about as well, but are hard to tune and the doorknob caps have a bad habit of breaking 73 Gary AB5RM Timothy Varnadore wrote: What can I do (save selling it or making ita tomato hanger - I already have a dummy load!) with a GAP Challenger - I got suckered into it last year at the Miami hamfest because I dont have room for anything but a vertical (especially on 160M) . A few days after I bought it, there was a 160M contest. I was screaming my brains out and made maybe 5 contacts. It heard halfway decent, but wouldnt xmit for crap. Is there someone who was able to 'fix' it? And if so, how? Also, has anyone used trap dipoles? I had one given to me sealed in a box (Hy-Gain 5B-DQ). I dont want to take it out if it isnt great - (I could sell it to make back some of the lost cash from the GAP!) I do have room for this, but I have a G5RV up now along with an R-6000 vertical. (works good) Tnx - 73 Tim KB4UF
[DX-CHAT] GAP Vertical
I was just told that I have a GAP VOYAGER - not a Challenger... my bad. SRI! Tim
Fw: Re: [DX-CHAT] [TowerTalk] GAP vs Cushcraft
Here is a copy of a TowerTalk Post I wrote several years ago about Low Band Verticals. Tom N4KG Dual Band Verticals for 80 and 40 meters - de N4KG The HF-2V is full size (or nearly so) on 40M but base loaded on 80M. Base loading is the LEAST efficient method of loading, resulting in a low feed impedance and narrow bandwidth. My friend KZ4V has an HF2V with 120 radials 33 ft long which works well on 40M but she struggles on 80M with this antenna. Her new 90 ft high inverted vee and vertically polarized Delta Loop are much more competitive on 80. I like the design of the relatively new and unknown MFJ-1792 80 / 40 vertical. It is full size on 40M with a loading / isolating coil and tophat on top for 80M. Top loading is the most efficient form of loading. This antenna is reasonably priced at $160. Two users have reported good results with this antenna on Towertalk. The GAP verticals are inductively loaded by a transformed reactance on the lowest band of operation which reduces efficiency on that band. For an excellent review see page 75 in the January 1995 issue of QST. Most users express displeasure with performance on the lowest band of operation. ( I have no affiliation with any antenna manufacturer or retailer. ) de Tom N4KG Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals
I've had my HF6V close to 20 years, and I've never had the caps break. I even have a spare set that someone gave me so that I'd be ready when it happened... never has. I think it's like so many things, they break if they're not installed correctly (ie overtightened) 73, ron wn3vaw "Doc? You built a time machine... out of a DeLorean?""The way I look at it, if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, you might as well do it with style!"-- Marty McFly Dr. Emmet Brown, "Back to the Future" - Original Message - From: Gary Danaher To: Timothy Varnadore Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals Sorry you're unhappy with the GAP Challenger. Just a couple things though. It is resonant on 80 meters but not 160 meters, so it is no surprise you screamed your lungs out without a response. The problem with most multiband antennas seems to be their lack of efficiency on the lowest band on which they are resonant. I can't say that I have 5BDXCC on my GAP, but I CAN tell you that I have 4 band dxcc, and with 327 entities worked and confirmed, I'll hit the honor roll next submission. That was all done on a GAP over several years. You shouldn't knock it until you've used other verticals. It could be worse. The Butternuts do about as well, but are hard to tune and the doorknob caps have a bad habit of breaking73GaryAB5RMTimothy Varnadore wrote: What can I do (save selling it or making ita tomato hanger - I already have a dummy load!) with a GAP Challenger - I got suckered into it last year at the Miami hamfest because I dont have room for anything but a vertical (especially on 160M) . A few days after I bought it, there was a 160M contest. I was screaming my brains out and made maybe 5 contacts. It heard halfway decent, but wouldnt xmit for crap. Is there someone who was able to 'fix' it? And if so, how? Also, has anyone used trap dipoles? I had one given to me sealed in a box (Hy-Gain 5B-DQ). I dont want to take it out if it isnt great - (I could sell it to make back some of the lost cash from the GAP!) I do have room for this, but I have a G5RV up now along with an R-6000 vertical. (works good) Tnx - 73 Tim KB4UF
RE: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals
I think its also like so many other things: they don't break if you have replacements handy. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAWSent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 19:39 PMTo: Gary Danaher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals I've had my HF6V close to 20 years, and I've never had the caps break. I even have a spare set that someone gave me so that I'd be ready when it happened... never has. I think it's like so many things, they break if they're not installed correctly (ie overtightened) 73, ron wn3vaw "Doc? You built a time machine... out of a DeLorean?""The way I look at it, if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, you might as well do it with style!"-- Marty McFly Dr. Emmet Brown, "Back to the Future" - Original Message - From: Gary Danaher To: Timothy Varnadore Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals Sorry you're unhappy with the GAP Challenger. Just a couple things though. It is resonant on 80 meters but not 160 meters, so it is no surprise you screamed your lungs out without a response. The problem with most multiband antennas seems to be their lack of efficiency on the lowest band on which they are resonant. I can't say that I have 5BDXCC on my GAP, but I CAN tell you that I have 4 band dxcc, and with 327 entities worked and confirmed, I'll hit the honor roll next submission. That was all done on a GAP over several years. You shouldn't knock it until you've used other verticals. It could be worse. The Butternuts do about as well, but are hard to tune and the doorknob caps have a bad habit of breaking73GaryAB5RMTimothy Varnadore wrote: What can I do (save selling it or making ita tomato hanger - I already have a dummy load!) with a GAP Challenger - I got suckered into it last year at the Miami hamfest because I dont have room for anything but a vertical (especially on 160M) . A few days after I bought it, there was a 160M contest. I was screaming my brains out and made maybe 5 contacts. It heard halfway decent, but wouldnt xmit for crap. Is there someone who was able to 'fix' it? And if so, how? Also, has anyone used trap dipoles? I had one given to me sealed in a box (Hy-Gain 5B-DQ). I dont want to take it out if it isnt great - (I could sell it to make back some of the lost cash from the GAP!) I do have room for this, but I have a G5RV up now along with an R-6000 vertical. (works good) Tnx - 73 Tim KB4UF
Re: [DX-CHAT] Verticals
Check out the K7LXC/N0AX report available from www.championradio.com. It gave the best overall score to the R8. I have a Hy-Gain AV-640 (not tested in that report) which is quite similar to the R-8 except for not having traps (and being less expensive). I've been pleased with its performance on all bands from 40 to 10 meters in several months of both casual operating and low-intensity contesting (subjective comment, but other than the report mentioned above, this stuff usually is). Bob, N7XY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] GAP Vertical
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 Timothy Varnadore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was just told that I have a GAP VOYAGER - not a Challenger... my bad. SRI! Tim According to GAP, the VOYAGER covers 160 (90 KHz), and all of 80, 40, and 20 Meters. This antenna is roughly 45 ft tall with a large capacity hat on top. It does require guying with non-conductive guys. On 160M, my understanding is that the internal capacitor is transformed to an inductance through the internal transmission line. This inductance is in SERIES with the feedpoint. Reports indicate that this antenna is quite inefficient on the LOWEST band of operation. I am aware of a couple of users of this antenna and from my observations, they DO perform well on 80 and 40 Meters. The GAP Challenger covers a narrow range on 80M and uses the same capacitance transformation to inductance in series with the feed point. I believe it works well on 40M and also covers the high bands, including 6 and 2 Meters Tom N4KG Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals
I'll be sure to keep my spare set handy also! ;-) I've had my trusty HF6V for 13 (hope that's not an omen) years. It has performed extremely well all things considered. It's been through 3 moves, 2 states several field days. The only thing I've ever had to do to it is clean it up occasionally (usually after a move) and replace the 20m matching stub. The RG11U isn't even needed is you don't use it for 20m. While the HF6V is no comparison to a beam of any sort, it does extremely well for me on 30 40m. 80m leaves a little to be desired, but I like the antenna well enough to buy a second one about two months ago in order to have a tuned antenna at 3790 and one at 3510. To date, the HF6V has netted 130 entities on 80m and 187 on 40m. While those aren't huge number, I think they are respectable given the situation. Before moving to Colorado I *never* used any ground radials with the antenna. I guess Illinois black dirt conducts pretty well. I did notice that without radials in CO the HF6V struggled. Even with 4 - 33' radials on them, the improvement was like day and night. I now have 4 -33' and 4 - 67' radials under both HF6Vs. I also recently bought a Gap Voyager to replace one of my HF6Vs. I figured at 45' + top loading it should compete a little better on 80m than my Butternuts. I hope to have it up before this season is over. In any event, that's been my experience. Take it for what it's worth. CU in the pileups. Kelly - KE9KD http://www.dx-central.com At 08:15 PM 01/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: I think its also like so many other things: they don't break if you have replacements handy. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 19:39 PM To: Gary Danaher; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals I've had my HF6V close to 20 years, and I've never had the caps break. I even have a spare set that someone gave me so that I'd be ready when it happened... never has. I think it's like so many things, they break if they're not installed correctly (ie overtightened) 73, ron wn3vaw Doc? You built a time machine... out of a DeLorean? The way I look at it, if you're going to build a time machine out of a car, you might as well do it with style! -- Marty McFly Dr. Emmet Brown, Back to the Future - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Gary Danaher To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Timothy Varnadore Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] re:verticals Sorry you're unhappy with the GAP Challenger. Just a couple things though. It is resonant on 80 meters but not 160 meters, so it is no surprise you screamed your lungs out without a response. The problem with most multiband antennas seems to be their lack of efficiency on the lowest band on which they are resonant. I can't say that I have 5BDXCC on my GAP, but I CAN tell you that I have 4 band dxcc, and with 327 entities worked and confirmed, I'll hit the honor roll next submission. That was all done on a GAP over several years. You shouldn't knock it until you've used other verticals. It could be worse. The Butternuts do about as well, but are hard to tune and the doorknob caps have a bad habit of breaking 73 Gary AB5RM Timothy Varnadore wrote: What can I do (save selling it or making it a tomato hanger - I already have a dummy load!) with a GAP Challenger - I got suckered into it last year at the Miami hamfest because I dont have room for anything but a vertical (especially on 160M) . A few days after I bought it, there was a 160M contest. I was screaming my brains out and made maybe 5 contacts. It heard halfway decent, but wouldnt xmit for crap. Is there someone who was able to 'fix' it? And if so, how? Also, has anyone used trap dipoles? I had one given to me sealed in a box (Hy-Gain 5B-DQ). I dont want to take it out if it isnt great - (I could sell it to make back some of the lost cash from the GAP!) I do have room for this, but I have a G5RV up now along with an R-6000 vertical. (works good) Tnx - 73 Tim KB4UF Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
