Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): -- Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between deleting a DXCC entity and removing it. I believe this comes up in connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the operations during the UNTAET period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country ceased to exist, it became a deleted country but still counted toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go into you deleted entities list but is taken away from your all-time total. Hence, there will be no new deleted entities that count in your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to expunge (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the new guys, whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having to work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of a long time DXer and his high all time count when the previous current country count is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top of the honor roll listing for all current countries. Keep the all time counts going. Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? 73, Bruce K1MY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
At 06:47 6/16/2003, Ron St.Laurent ND5S wrote: Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S I started DXing in 1957. I will never have all the countries which enjoyed listing as DXCC entities. I have 354 Possible to confirm and set currently at 353. I do have 334 of the 335 current. If we have to level the playing field (Read: lower the standards) this detracts from the accomplishments of those who expended time and money to get to a past goal. Just to whom is it fair? Dean Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
I respectfully submit, not if it's unattainable. Lowering the standards does not apply here. Those who are enjoying the status of deleted countries still enjoy them. It's just that from now forward newly deleted countries will not count. I have no qualms with that happening to any entities in my QSO count. Ron Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: Dean Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron St.Laurent ND5S [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged At 06:47 6/16/2003, Ron St.Laurent ND5S wrote: Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S I started DXing in 1957. I will never have all the countries which enjoyed listing as DXCC entities. I have 354 Possible to confirm and set currently at 353. I do have 334 of the 335 current. If we have to level the playing field (Read: lower the standards) this detracts from the accomplishments of those who expended time and money to get to a past goal. Just to whom is it fair? Dean Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
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Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Looks like everyone can be happy IF: old-timers are allowed to keep their all-time acquired entity number but they and everyone else will be top of the honor roll only by confirming all CURRENT entities. The honor of carrying deleted entities remains but does not count toward top of honor roll. Maybe? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Ron, You are right and wrong and this is the mis understanding everyone has. On the one hand, you can work all of the CURRENT countries, qualify for the DXCC honor roll and top of the honor roll (Number 1 plaque) on that basis. On the other hand TOTAL countries is kind of like a life time achievement score. It recognizes that you were in the hunt for many years and yes, there is always someone out there with more than me and I've been at it for 44 years. That's fine with me, just let me keep my all-time country credits; I earned each one of them. I know that I'll never get to the top of the all time list and, you know what, I don't think that anyone will ever get there. So what? What I've earned is still an accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Let's keep 2 scores, current and all-time. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: Ron St.Laurent ND5S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): -- Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between deleting a DXCC entity and removing it. I believe this comes up in connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the operations during the UNTAET period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country ceased to exist, it became a deleted country but still counted toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go into you deleted entities list but is taken away from your all-time total. Hence, there will be no new deleted entities that count in your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to expunge (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the new guys, whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having to work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of a long time DXer and his high all time count when the previous current country count is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top of the honor roll listing for all current countries. Keep the all time counts going. Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? 73, Bruce K1MY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Hi Charlie, That is the way it was . The new way is, from now on, not only to delete a country from the current list but to expunge (I think that is spelled correctly) it from everyone's all-time total. Eventually when we all die off, there will be no difference between current and all-time total and while we are alive, each time a current country is deleted your all time total goes down by one - just as if it never existed. Not right in my opinion. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Looks like everyone can be happy IF: old-timers are allowed to keep their all-time acquired entity number but they and everyone else will be top of the honor roll only by confirming all CURRENT entities. The honor of carrying deleted entities remains but does not count toward top of honor roll. Maybe? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
At 09:14 6/16/2003, bruce makas wrote: No one alive can get to the 'worked and confirmed them all' list. The last ham with a possibility died some years back. The rest of us come an at some lower number. I, for one, enjoy seeing my self up with those I most admire. When I started DXing- (here comes the when I was a kid, I had to walk 10 miles through 10 feet of snow to go to school. Nostalgia BS)- no one was even close to top 'o the roll. Now, it can be accomplished in a few years. Heck, there were countries on the list that we were NOT ALLOWED to contact, e.g. U* and BY. What a challenge. Now, shack-on-a-belt types can link through some group of capital letter technoconcept and get DXCC from his bedroom while recovering from the flu, send in the log via e-mail and have the Plaque in less than a week! I think I will learn to crochet. Wanna doily? Dean Ron, You are right and wrong and this is the mis understanding everyone has. On the one hand, you can work all of the CURRENT countries, qualify for the DXCC honor roll and top of the honor roll (Number 1 plaque) on that basis. On the other hand TOTAL countries is kind of like a life time achievement score. It recognizes that you were in the hunt for many years and yes, there is always someone out there with more than me and I've been at it for 44 years. That's fine with me, just let me keep my all-time country credits; I earned each one of them. I know that I'll never get to the top of the all time list and, you know what, I don't think that anyone will ever get there. So what? What I've earned is still an accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Let's keep 2 scores, current and all-time. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: Ron St.Laurent ND5S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX chat submital [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX submital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): -- Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between deleting a DXCC entity and removing it. I believe this comes up in connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the operations during the UNTAET period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country ceased to exist, it became a deleted country but still counted toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go into you deleted entities list but is taken away from your all-time total. Hence, there will be no new deleted entities that count in your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to expunge (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the new guys, whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having to work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of a long time DXer and his high all time count when the previous current country count is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top of the honor roll listing for all current countries. Keep the all time counts going. Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? 73, Bruce K1MY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Dean K7NO wrote: When I started DXing- (here comes the when I was a kid, I had to walk 10 miles through 10 feet of snow to go to school. Nostalgia BS)- no one was even close to top 'o the roll. Now, it can be accomplished in a few years. Heck, there were countries on the list that we were NOT ALLOWED to contact, e.g. U* and BY. What a challenge. Now, shack-on-a-belt types can link through some group of capital letter technoconcept and get DXCC from his bedroom while recovering from the flu, send in the log via e-mail and have the Plaque in less than a week! I think I will learn to crochet. Wanna doily? Don't have to leave ham radio Dean. Plenty of other DX challenges if Top of DXCC Honor Roll is too easy for you now. How about 5BWAZ on SSB? Or WAZ on 160M? Just pick your flavor and make it as tough as you want. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
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I have to agree with Ron, ND5S. When DXCC decided to change the policy with regard to Deleted Countries, they didn't come through and throw away all of these entities for the long time leaders of our DXCC list. They could have, but they didn't. They understood how important it was to acknowledge these accomplishments. The list toppers still enjoy the fruits of their long time labors with recognition of their efforts and successes. Eventually, the changed program will result in a more level playing field that will be a better measure of the current capabilities of our peer group to contact and confirm the existing countries. Considering how infrequent it is for some of these entities to be activated, it will be a reasonably real-time measure of a persons efforts and successes. No program of this type should have to require 40, 50, or 60 years of participation to reach the highest levels of recognition. John Owens (N7SEJ) Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good ones out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
