[DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
Hello DXers: A question for all What does the DX community think about a rare DX station transmitting Phone outside the American Phone sub-band and listening up into the American sub-band ? This could happen in Regions where the sub-bands are different. Example: xmit on 14.145 and listening on 14.250. Advantages: 1. Forces some freq. police and jammers to xmit illegally out of their assigned band in order to xmit on the DX frequency. Maybe retards some intentional jamming. Gives FCC and other regulators another reason to cite the offenders. 2. Maybe makes honest mistakes of xmit on top of DX less often because of the chosen lower frequency that should alert even the sleepy operator. 3. Gets the DX xmit freq away from rag chewers and other complainers, mostly, and opens up a bit more of the existing Phone sub-bands for some Regions, at least, for other ham use. Problems: 1. Some Regions' sub-bands are the same as the USA Phone sub-bands. What do you think about this query? Good DX and 73, Charly K4VUD Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
Charly K4VUD wrote: A question for all What does the DX community think about a rare DX station transmitting Phone outside the American Phone sub-band and listening up into the American sub-band ? Standard Operating Procedure on 40M SSB. Advantages: 1. Forces some freq. police and jammers to xmit illegally out of their assigned band in order to xmit on the DX frequency. The big advantage, especially on 40M SSB, is that most would-be jammers can't find the DX frequency. But if eventually they do, they transmit SSB without signing, or RTTY, or tones, or.. The other advantage is that the U.S. DXer doesn't have to listen to all the bitching and moaning on his transmit frequency. And when the infuriated pig-farmers track down your L/L number and call, make sure the XYL answers - BEFORE the pig-farmers unleash their obscenities. Otherwise the XYL gets very disturbed, and causes local QRM. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
I think it's a great idea. Some DXpeditions have done it. It is a common occurrence on 40 meters during phone contests, when a station will transmit below 7100 and listen above 7200 for USA. 73, Zack W9SZ On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Charles Harpole wrote: Hello DXers: A question for all What does the DX community think about a rare DX station transmitting Phone outside the American Phone sub-band and listening up into the American sub-band ? This could happen in Regions where the sub-bands are different. Example: xmit on 14.145 and listening on 14.250. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
At 10:18 18-10-04, John Warren wrote: Charly K4VUD wrote: A question for all What does the DX community think about a rare DX station transmitting Phone outside the American Phone sub-band and listening up into the American sub-band ? Excellent idea, and something I talked about doing if I ever get on the pointy end of a pileup as DX sometime. Frankly, I wish more operators would do exactly this, especially on 20. I think I've only heard a couple of guys sitting on 14.145 listening up. Problem is, though, I'd bet you that the temptation is always going to be 5 up and for us in the US of A, it's still illegal (part of our signal will still radiate below .150). Not just that, but that would also exclude an awful lot of US operators who have kept their Advanced licenses. If they transmit on .145 and listen .195 and .230, great, of course, but I somehow doubt it will happen. The *really* interesting thing is what's going to happen on 40 metres in a few years from now. Will there be a common SSB DX frequency on 40 when everybody outside region 2 gets 7100 to 7200? The broadcasters are leaving in 2009, and a few countries have the new 100 kHz already (the UK gets it Nov. 1st). Since we still can't use 7100 to 7150 for SSB (I hope this changes, frankly), it looks as if everything's going to be compressed into the top 50 kHz of 40M. 73 de Peter (W2IRT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please visit http://www.nyctrackbook.com for details of my book Tracks of the NYC Subway Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
Hello DXers: A question for all What does the DX community think about a rare DX station transmitting Phone outside the American Phone sub-band and listening up into the American sub-band ? This could happen in Regions where the sub-bands are different. Example: xmit on 14.145 and listening on 14.250. --- That is the way it used to be, back in the dark ages when people like Gus Browning was travelling around. he used to be around 14125 if my memory serves me right , and listened up. On CW he was very often very low in the band. It was very effective, indeed. Why everybody on phone wants to be on 14195 and all CW on 14025 escapes me !! 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
Peter W2IRT wrote: The *really* interesting thing is what's going to happen on 40 metres in a few years from now. Will there be a common SSB DX frequency on 40 when everybody outside region 2 gets 7100 to 7200? The broadcasters are leaving in 2009, and a few countries have the new 100 kHz already (the UK gets it Nov. 1st). Since we still can't use 7100 to 7150 for SSB (I hope this changes, frankly), it looks as if everything's going to be compressed into the top 50 kHz of 40M. ARRL is asking FCC to give the Lower 48 'phone rights down to 7125, so the overlap with Europe would become 75KHz. That's the good news. The bad news is that there are a lot of entrenched nets between 7150-7200, and a lot of people (including some in ARRL) who don't consider 40M SSB as a DX band. Unless ARRL proposes most or all of 7125-7200 as a Gentleman's Agreement DX segment, like 3790-3800, there will be horrendous fights when the Europeans get going there. In fact, unless we get a significant DX Window there, I think the present situation working split is much better. John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
In a message dated 10/18/04 12:48:40 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why everybody on phone wants to be on 14195 and all CW on 14025 escapes me !! 73 Rag LA5HE "Once upon a time", the lower band limit on 20M SSB in the USA was 14200 so 14195 WAS 'out of the American Band' at that time. After the USA limit was moved to 14150, DX'ers still stayed on 14195. On CW, the Bottom 25 KHz is reserved for Extra Class Licensees ONLY in the USA so many DXpeditions / DX stations stay on 025 or just below, listening above 25 for ALL license classes. Only 10, 12, 17, 30 and 160M CW do not have license class frequency restrictions in the USA. Tom N4KG
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
At 14:58 18-10-04, John Warren wrote: The bad news is that there are a lot of entrenched nets between 7150-7200, and a lot of people (including some in ARRL) who don't consider 40M SSB as a DX band. Unless ARRL proposes most or all of 7125-7200 as a Gentleman's Agreement DX segment, like 3790-3800, there will be horrendous fights when the Europeans get going there. In fact, unless we get a significant DX Window there, I think the present situation working split is much better. Maybe the 7125-7150 window should be the DX window grin if the League goes for it. I still don't know why they don't consider anything above 7100 good for SSB here. 73 de Peter (W2IRT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please visit http://www.nyctrackbook.com for details of my book Tracks of the NYC Subway Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
Seems like I remember that all dxpeditions used 14002 on cw. Bill W5EC That is the way it used to be, back in the dark ages when people like Gus Browning was travelling around. he used to be around 14125 if my memory serves me right , and listened up. On CW he was very often very low in the band. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
As mentioned, this practice is common on 40m SSB, but it is also common on 80m SSB during large operating events (CQWW SSB, for example)...I'd love to see DXpeditions do this on 80m during non-contest weekends as well...the "DX Window" is a bit small, in my opinion, and I think there would be less congestion on a band where tolerance isn't usually the rule when it comes to QRM. In the Southeast US, at least, the "pig farmers." I have only worked one station who usedthis technique on 20m...don't remember if it was 9X0A or 9X4WW, but it was wonderful to have the DX station so "in the clear". It might be different from the perspective of others whohave privileges outside theUS subbands, but being outside the American subbandsDOES seem to stop a lot of theUS operators who create malicious interference. 73, Bridget, KS4YT
Re: [DX-CHAT] Query abt DX splits
--- Allan Bridget [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As mentioned, this practice is common on 40m SSB, but it is also common on 80m SSB during large operating events (CQWW SSB, for example)...I'd love to see DXpeditions do this on 80m during non-contest weekends as well...the DX Window is a bit small, in my opinion, and I think there would be less congestion on a band where tolerance isn't usually the rule when it comes to QRM. Many Pacific DXpeditions operate between 3795 and 3799 and listen above 3800. 8Q7AA a few years back was in the DX window listening down (but still above 3750) and that worked well also. 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re:[DX-CHAT] KH6 operation
Fellow DXers: my XYL Cheryl (WY5H) and I are going to KH6 on Sunday and were wondering if there are any club stations open for visiting operator use? Several friends of ours have expressed an interest in working us portable KH6 which is why I put the query here on DX chat. I believe they have a club station on the U.S.S. Missouri, but I figure that is out since I think it is on the air only during special events. We'll be on Oahu (Honolulu primarily) and the Big Island (Kona area) during out trip. Tom, WW5L Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
