[DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): -- Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between deleting a DXCC entity and "removing" it. I believe this comes up in connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the operations during the "UNTAET" period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country ceased to exist, it became a "deleted" country but still counted toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go into you "deleted entities" list but is taken away from your all-time total. Hence, there will be no new "deleted" entities that count in your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to "expunge" (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the "new guys", whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having to work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of a long time DXer and his high "all time count" when the previous "current country count" is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top of the honor roll listing for all "current" countries. Keep the all time counts going. Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? 73, Bruce K1MY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: "bruce makas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is > copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): > > -- > Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between > deleting a DXCC entity and "removing" it. I believe this comes up in > connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the > operations during the "UNTAET" period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR > says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain > this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of > hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country > ceased to exist, it became a "deleted" country but still counted > toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers > have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 > countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept > was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go > into you "deleted entities" list but is taken away from your all-time > total. Hence, there will be no new "deleted" entities that count in > your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. > > > My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also > agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to > "expunge" (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. > The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the "new guys", > whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having to > work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of a > long time DXer and his high "all time count" when the previous "current > country count" is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top > of the honor roll listing for all "current" countries. Keep the all time > counts going. > > Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? > > 73, Bruce K1MY > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
At 06:47 6/16/2003, Ron St.Laurent ND5S wrote: Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S I started DXing in 1957. I will never have all the countries which enjoyed listing as DXCC entities. I have 354 Possible to confirm and set currently at 353. I do have 334 of the 335 current. If we have to "level the playing field" (Read: lower the standards) this detracts from the accomplishments of those who expended time and money to get to a past goal. Just to whom is it fair? Dean Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
At 07:51 6/16/2003, you wrote: Same Here Dean. I also started in 1957. I currently have 331 of the active entities, and 353 overall. You and I will eventually rise to the top because, regrettably, We will get there as the old(er) timers die off. Time and entities march on... 73 Mike, W5UC "age & treachery will overcome youth and skill" Someone who starts chasing the elusive DX rarity today will never work a country that has been deleted. So What? I think they should learn to live with it. Level playing field, my fanny. How about we just go the route of Michigan State and award 50 countries for all new codeless types who will not have the opportunity to work FF8AC! Affirmative action, PC BS at work! Dean Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
I respectfully submit, not if it's unattainable. Lowering the standards does not apply here. Those who are enjoying the status of deleted countries still enjoy them. It's just that from now forward newly deleted countries will not count. I have no qualms with that happening to any entities in my QSO count. Ron Visit my Website at: www.qsl.net/nd5s - Original Message - From: "Dean Norris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron St.Laurent ND5S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > At 06:47 6/16/2003, Ron St.Laurent ND5S wrote: > >Bruce, > > > >I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER > >get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't > >possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method > >levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under > >the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" > >out there. > > > >Best 73, > > > >Ron ND5S > > > I started DXing in 1957. I will never have all the countries which enjoyed > listing as DXCC entities. I have 354 Possible to confirm and set currently > at 353. I do have 334 of the 335 current. If we have to "level the > playing field" (Read: lower the standards) this detracts from the > accomplishments of those who expended time and money to get to a past goal. > > Just to whom is it fair? > > Dean > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
I think this all goes down to that instant gratification. All us honest DXers are impressed with the level of the old timers who have worked all that stuff none will ever get a chance to work. That's the priviledge of being a senior DXer. Look at the Amateur Extra ticket where that has gone. Once upon a time when it was created it had no special operating priviledges and was a very tough written exam. Not only that, it was like that of a professional engineering license, where you must have practiced engineering for at least two years before taking the exam. You could not enter Amateur Radio at the Amateur Extra level. And 5 wpm now? That's a crock. I'm not saying 20 wpm should be retained. But 5 wpm? But, I'm off the subject. I like the old way and that is in favor of "deleted" rather than the new way "of just go away" out of respect for our old time DXers. 73, John N6JM Dean Norris wrote: > > Someone who starts chasing the elusive DX rarity today will never work a > country that has been deleted. So What? I think they should learn to live > with it. Level playing field, my fanny. > > How about we just go the route of Michigan State and award 50 countries for > all new codeless types who will not have the opportunity to work FF8AC! > > Affirmative action, PC BS at work! > > Dean > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] ??
I think the REAL question is: Why is this system double posting our inputs? Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Older Dxers
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
It seems to me that this discussion is a bit late in coming. Remember...The rules as we see them now were and are part of DXCC 2ØØØ. The same rules that were brought from the mount just after BS7H was approved for DXCC status under the "old" rules. I don't believe that an entity such as BS7H and others would be accepted under the new DXCC Rules. The real question should be is: "Is the current "4W" petition in the spirit of the DXCC Program?" Is the current petition in the interest of all those involved in the program and is the petition to be considered as a constructive or destructive force on the "program"? Operative word "Spirit." The current "petition" , as I understand it, is based upon Section 1 subpart b of the current rules: "The entity has been assigned a callsign prefix bloc by the ITU. A provisional prefix may be made by the Secretary General of ITU. Should such provisional assignments not be ratified later by the full ITU, the Entity will be removed from the DXCC List." According to the petitioners, the ITU never ratified the assigned callsign block! The ball is in the hands of the ARRL and its "membership." Perhaps we should look at Section III - 1 of the DXCC Rules: "Each nation of the world manages its telecommunications affairs differently. There rigid universal accreditation procedure cannot be applied in all situations. During more than 50 years of DXCC administration, basic standards have evolved in establishing the legitimacy of an operation." Surely the above paragraph is in the true "spirit" of DXCC Program. 73, Jay/AF2C Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Looks like everyone can be happy IF: old-timers are allowed to keep their all-time acquired entity number but they and everyone else will be top of the honor roll only by confirming all CURRENT entities. The honor of carrying deleted entities remains but does not count toward top of honor roll. Maybe? Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Ron, You are right and wrong and this is the mis understanding everyone has. On the one hand, you can work all of the CURRENT countries, qualify for the DXCC honor roll and top of the honor roll (Number 1 plaque) on that basis. On the other hand TOTAL countries is kind of like a "life time achievement score." It recognizes that you were in the hunt for many years and yes, there is always someone out there with more than me and I've been at it for 44 years. That's fine with me, just let me keep my all-time country credits; I earned each one of them. I know that I'll never get to the top of the all time list and, you know what, I don't think that anyone will ever get there. So what? What I've earned is still an accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Let's keep 2 scores, current and all-time. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: "Ron St.Laurent ND5S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bruce makas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > Bruce, > > I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER > get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't > possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method > levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under > the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" > out there. > > Best 73, > > Ron ND5S > > Visit my Website at: > www.qsl.net/nd5s > > - Original Message - > From: "bruce makas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX submital" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM > Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > > > > Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is > > copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): > > > > -- > > Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between > > deleting a DXCC entity and "removing" it. I believe this comes up in > > connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the > > operations during the "UNTAET" period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR > > says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain > > this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of > > hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country > > ceased to exist, it became a "deleted" country but still counted > > toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers > > have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 > > countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept > > was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go > > into you "deleted entities" list but is taken away from your all-time > > total. Hence, there will be no new "deleted" entities that count in > > your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. > > > > > > My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also > > agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to > > "expunge" (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. > > The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the "new guys", > > whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having > to > > work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of > a > > long time DXer and his high "all time count" when the previous "current > > country count" is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top > > of the honor roll listing for all "current" countries. Keep the all time > > counts going. > > > > Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? > > > > 73, Bruce K1MY > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > > > To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > > http://njdxa.org > > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Hi Charlie, That is the way it was . The new way is, from now on, not only to delete a country from the current list but to expunge (I think that is spelled correctly) it from everyone's all-time total. Eventually when we all die off, there will be no difference between current and all-time total and while we are alive, each time a current country is deleted your all time total goes down by one - just as if it never existed. Not right in my opinion. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: "Charles Harpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > Looks like everyone can be happy IF: old-timers are allowed to keep their > all-time acquired entity number but they and everyone else will be top of > the honor roll only by confirming all CURRENT entities. The honor of > carrying deleted entities remains but does not count toward top of honor > roll. > > > Maybe? > > Charles Harpole > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Older Dxers
NJ6M wrote:"That's the privilege of being a senior DXer."AMENMike, W5UCAge and treachery will overcome youth and skill Sounds like there is hope, even for me ! 73 Rag LA5HE
[DX-CHAT] What??
Why does this blinkety-blank system think Ragnar is sending my e-mail? Mike, W5UC Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] ??
Beacuse people wither are not smart enough to not reply all, or they have repeatedly chosen to ignore the cross posting restrictions were have asked for when posting to or from either NEWS or CHAT The system is only doing what it's been instructed to do On 16 Jun 2003 at 10:30, Mike & Kathy Watson wrote: Date sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:30:23 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mike & Kathy Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[DX-CHAT] ?? > I think the REAL question is: Why is this system double posting our > inputs? > > > Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill > Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003 > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What??
He replied to your message (at the bottom) and his mail software did not indicate which portions had been quoted. Bob, N7XY On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 01:11:01PM -0500, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) Watson wrote: > Why does this blinkety-blank system think Ragnar is sending my e-mail? > > Mike, W5UC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What??
Thanks Bob (I think) I'm more than adequately confused, but that's OK as long as it doesn't affect my DXCC score.. HI At 12:49 PM 6/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: He replied to your message (at the bottom) and his mail software did not indicate which portions had been quoted. Bob, N7XY On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 01:11:01PM -0500, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) Watson wrote: > Why does this blinkety-blank system think Ragnar is sending my e-mail? > > Mike, W5UC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by Norton Anti-Virus 2003
[DX-CHAT] ADMIN Note: Double Posting!
Folks: By no means do I wish to squash the current thread on Deleted Entities, BUT: Please, when "Replying All," check your address line and DO NOT reply to both DX News & DX Chat! Not only is it against the rules, but what you end up doing is sending everyone on Chat TWO copies of the same email -- because Chat is a subset of News (and THAT is why it's against the rules!) Thank you for your understanding. 73, ron wn3vaw administator, dx chat AJ: "Did you ever hear of Evel Kneival?" Lev: "I never saw Star Wars" -- Armageddon Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
At 09:14 6/16/2003, bruce makas wrote: No one alive can get to the 'worked and confirmed them all' list. The last ham with a possibility died some years back. The rest of us come an at some lower number. I, for one, enjoy seeing my self up with those I most admire. When I started DXing- (here comes the "when I was a kid, I had to walk 10 miles through 10 feet of snow to go to school." Nostalgia BS)- no one was even close to top 'o the roll. Now, it can be accomplished in a few years. Heck, there were countries on the list that we were NOT ALLOWED to contact, e.g. U* and BY. What a challenge. Now, shack-on-a-belt types can link through some group of capital letter technoconcept and get DXCC from his bedroom while recovering from the flu, send in the log via e-mail and have the Plaque in less than a week! I think I will learn to crochet. Wanna doily? Dean Ron, You are right and wrong and this is the mis understanding everyone has. On the one hand, you can work all of the CURRENT countries, qualify for the DXCC honor roll and top of the honor roll (Number 1 plaque) on that basis. On the other hand TOTAL countries is kind of like a "life time achievement score." It recognizes that you were in the hunt for many years and yes, there is always someone out there with more than me and I've been at it for 44 years. That's fine with me, just let me keep my all-time country credits; I earned each one of them. I know that I'll never get to the top of the all time list and, you know what, I don't think that anyone will ever get there. So what? What I've earned is still an accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Let's keep 2 scores, current and all-time. 73, Bruce K1MY - Original Message - From: "Ron St.Laurent ND5S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bruce makas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > Bruce, > > I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER > get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't > possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method > levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under > the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" > out there. > > Best 73, > > Ron ND5S > > Visit my Website at: > www.qsl.net/nd5s > > - Original Message - > From: "bruce makas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "DX chat submital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DX submital" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:42 AM > Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged > > > > Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is > > copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are not): > > > > -- > > Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between > > deleting a DXCC entity and "removing" it. I believe this comes up in > > connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the > > operations during the "UNTAET" period and post-UNTAET period. W3UR > > says this has been asked a lot lately. I'll try my best to explain > > this, according to my understanding of it. I do think it's kind of > > hard to understand. First, the way it used to be: When a country > > ceased to exist, it became a "deleted" country but still counted > > toward your DXCC grand total of countries. Hence, some old timers > > have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335 > > countries in existence. When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept > > was changed to this: When a country ceases to exist it does not go > > into you "deleted entities" list but is taken away from your all-time > > total. Hence, there will be no new "deleted" entities that count in > > your total. Bernie and I both prefer the old way. > > > > > > My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with, also > > agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to > > "expunge" (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a DXer. > > The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the "new guys", > > whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having > to > > work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments of > a > > long time DXer and his high "all time count" when the previous "current > > country count" is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is top > > of the honor roll listing for all "current" countries. Keep the all time > > counts going. > > > > Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position? > > > > 73, Bruce K1MY > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > > > To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponso
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged
Dean K7NO wrote: When I started DXing- (here comes the "when I was a kid, I had to walk 10 miles through 10 feet of snow to go to school." Nostalgia BS)- no one was even close to top 'o the roll. Now, it can be accomplished in a few years. Heck, there were countries on the list that we were NOT ALLOWED to contact, e.g. U* and BY. What a challenge. Now, shack-on-a-belt types can link through some group of capital letter technoconcept and get DXCC from his bedroom while recovering from the flu, send in the log via e-mail and have the Plaque in less than a week! I think I will learn to crochet. Wanna doily? Don't have to leave ham radio Dean. Plenty of other DX challenges if Top of DXCC Honor Roll is too easy for you now. How about 5BWAZ on SSB? Or WAZ on 160M? Just "pick your flavor" and make it as tough as you want. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
The DXCC listings in the yearly book and Honor Roll should be in order of "current" entities with a slash to show totals with those deleted. So if W1AW has worked them all plus 20 deleted, the call would appear under 335 as W1AW/355. You could then quickly see how you stack up against the competition. And if you are interested in the absolute number, it's there. The "current" total is the only meaningful competitive measure. Listing calls with high totals that are also not on the honor roll because they haven't been active in years is a silly curiosity. The notion of "working them all" went out the window when the first deleted entity was "created." Absolute totals are a testimony to age and not current competitive activity. One long time DXer's opinion. 73, Steve WB6RSE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
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I have to agree with Ron, ND5S. When DXCC decided to change the policy with regard to Deleted Countries, they didn't come through and throw away all of these entities for the long time leaders of our DXCC list. They could have, but they didn't. They understood how important it was to acknowledge these accomplishments. The list toppers still enjoy the fruits of their long time labors with recognition of their efforts and successes. Eventually, the changed program will result in a more level playing field that will be a better measure of the current capabilities of our peer group to contact and confirm the existing countries. Considering how infrequent it is for some of these entities to be activated, it will be a reasonably real-time measure of a persons efforts and successes. No program of this type should have to require 40, 50, or 60 years of participation to reach the highest levels of recognition. John Owens (N7SEJ) Bruce, I may be missing something, but using your logic, a "new guy" could NEVER get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list. The current method levels the playing field as available entities are available to all. Under the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted "good ones" out there. Best 73, Ron ND5S The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
In a message dated 6/16/03 10:02:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The DXCC listings in the yearly book and Honor Roll should be in order of "current" entities with a slash to show totals with those deleted. So if W1AW has worked them all plus 20 deleted, the call would appear under 335 as W1AW/355. You could then quickly see how you stack up against the competition. And if you are interested in the absolute number, it's there. The "current" total is the only meaningful competitive measure. Listing calls with high totals that are also not on the honor roll because they haven't been active in years is a silly curiosity. The notion of "working them all" went out the window when the first deleted entity was "created." Absolute totals are a testimony to age and not current competitive activity. One long time DXer's opinion. 73, Steve WB6RSE >> AMEN Steve ! I would especially like to see the Single Band Awards listed by Current 'Countries' so that I could know how many each of the Top Guns need on each band. I would have no qualms about adding /355 etc to show LifeTime Totals. IMHO, it's time we gave up using Life Time Totals as the measuring stick for ALL DXCC Awards (and yes, I have confirmed MANY Deleted Countries in my 48 years of DXing). I've been waiting for over a decade for ARRL to revise the DXCC Listing requirement for making a submission in the previous 12 months which GUARANTEES that your call will be DROPPED from the Single Band Lists once you have 'worked them all' or all of the available countries. Hopefully this policy will be eliminated when the new computer program is completed. Tom N4KG (active since 1955) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
