Re: [DX-CHAT] EU RF mass
I can also endorse these comments, however the issue is probably more related to the total absence of manners than to use of high power and big antennas. I think we're referring to the kind of people that our friends in the CB world call "Alligators" - i.e. all teeth and no ears? I think you should name and shame the German, Tom. As Rag says, there were the usual filthy signals from Southern and Eastern Europe..never mind the quality, feel the width! Roll on the CW leg, it's more fun anyway Dave G0OIL - Original Message From: Tom Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ragnar Otterstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 3:09:09 PMSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] EU RF mass I absolutely agree. I spent some time trying to call XX9 and DU amongst others on 40m ssb at the weekend to no avail. A couple of time I thought the XX9 had come back to me but a German station just kept calling and calling timing his calls to prevent me from making the QSO which was possible even in the QRM. I asked the german why he was calling but he said he couldn't hear the XX9 for the QRM - D'oh.But I did work HS0 and a solitary JA.TomGM4FDM(GM2T)Ragnar Otterstad wrote: Once again -- in this CQ WW SSB test -- I see the way Europe has painted itself into a cornerOver the last few years, EU has built many HUGE contest stations super power and antennas.However, now the mass of RF in that relatively small space means they can only hear one another.For me in HS to call EU successfully takes more effort than it is worth and of course, a run freq from here is difficult due to the huge EU stations.. that never point their beams to S E Asia, anyway. Oh well, there is always the great polite JAs. 73 Charles HarpoleHS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are absultely right - particularly on phone and on the lower bands. On CW it is easier to get by by using narrow filters. 40 usually yields excellent openings to Asia in the afternoon during wintertime. But during CQ WW phone-contest - forget it. Too many overmodulated Italians and eastern Europeans around. 73 " RAG "Ragnar Otterstad LA5HE JW5HE OZ8RO Located in Telemark - Home of skiing. For more information about Telemark take a look at : www.telemarksnett.no/en/index.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Off Base?
Bear with me a moment on this one, gang. I know some of you are also on the CQ-Contest reflector, where I've been involved the last few days (since the end of CQ WW) in a sometimes heated discussion over operating practices on 40 meters. The crux of the disagreement revolves around the actions of some SSB stations regarding operating below 7020 kHz. Some of these are North American stations (mainly some US big-guns) who announced they were listening at 7012, 7010, 7007, even 7001 kHz; some of these are various DX stations who were transmitting from the same region. Now... I'm not trying to re-argue the situation here. Suffice to say, IMHO this is poor operating practices to try and have an SSB contest effectively control the entire 40 meter band (to say nothing of the long-term effect of ticking off CW ops pushed out of the way and making them anti-contest). I've had several counter-arguments, two amateurs (one US, one VE) in particular. I'm being told things like the band is crowded so we go where we have to, if it's not strictly illegal it's allowed, the contest operators can't impose band limits, if the contest operators try to limit things that aren't illegal they open themselves up to litigation, non-contesters should use the WARC bands, a run frequency is more important that a 5 WPM Extra talking across town, CW is dying anyway, band plans are voluntary, and my personal favorites, it only happens two weekends a year, CQ WW ARRL DX (what about CQ WPX and IARU and WAE and...) so deal with it, and CW is being abandonded by administrations around the world so nobody cares. Amongst many others, but you catch the drift. I've also had a small group encourage me -- privately, few in public posts. The vast majority? Silent. So... am I wrong here? Now granted, a big-gun I'm not and probably never will be, especially from the new QTH (I'm just glad the vertical kinda WORKS right now! Well, it's been 3 1/2 years since the last permanent QTH...). My operating time was very limited due to family obligations. But I was just floored by some of the 40 meter listening frequencies I saw on the cluster on Saturday night (ET). And I heard a lot of CW activity that got squashed by people calling or responding to a CQ CONTEST. So, I figured that there'd be some griping about it. But only one person did (my participation started as part of the response), and he quickly got told to go fishing if he didn't like it. Am I off base in finding this situation unpalatable? Am I in the minority, or are most just shrugging and putting up with this because they don't think anything can be done? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Off Base?
No, you're not wrong. In my opinion, SSB stations should stay out of the bottom 25 KCs, at a minimum, and above 50 KCs on 40 meters as a basic courtesy -- especially to QRP enthusiasts. The same goes for RTTY in my view. And I operate CW, SSB RTTY. This frequent downward move below 50 KCs is a relatively recent development initiated by a handful of discourteous operators, now adopted by a growing number of hams who lack, among other things, operating skill. 73, Brad K4RT -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:54:06 PM EST From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX Chat Reflector dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Off Base? Bear with me a moment on this one, gang. I know some of you are also on the CQ-Contest reflector, where I've been involved the last few days (since the end of CQ WW) in a sometimes heated discussion over operating practices on 40 meters. The crux of the disagreement revolves around the actions of some SSB stations regarding operating below 7020 kHz. Some of these are North American stations (mainly some US big-guns) who announced they were listening at 7012, 7010, 7007, even 7001 kHz; some of these are various DX stations who were transmitting from the same region. Now... I'm not trying to re-argue the situation here. Suffice to say, IMHO this is poor operating practices to try and have an SSB contest effectively control the entire 40 meter band (to say nothing of the long-term effect of ticking off CW ops pushed out of the way and making them anti-contest). I've had several counter-arguments, two amateurs (one US, one VE) in particular. I'm being told things like the band is crowded so we go where we have to, if it's not strictly illegal it's allowed, the contest operators can't impose band limits, if the contest operators try to limit things that aren't illegal they open themselves up to litigation, non-contesters should use the WARC bands, a run frequency is more important that a 5 WPM Extra talking across town, CW is dying anyway, band plans are voluntary, and my personal favorites, it only happens two weekends a year, CQ WW ARRL DX (what about CQ WPX and IARU and WAE and...) so deal with it, and CW is being abandonded by administrations around the world so nobody cares. Amongst many others, but you catch the drift. I've also had a small group encourage me -- privately, few in public posts. The vast majority? Silent. So... am I wrong here? Now granted, a big-gun I'm not and probably never will be, especially from the new QTH (I'm just glad the vertical kinda WORKS right now! Well, it's been 3 1/2 years since the last permanent QTH...). My operating time was very limited due to family obligations. But I was just floored by some of the 40 meter listening frequencies I saw on the cluster on Saturday night (ET). And I heard a lot of CW activity that got squashed by people calling or responding to a CQ CONTEST. So, I figured that there'd be some griping about it. But only one person did (my participation started as part of the response), and he quickly got told to go fishing if he didn't like it. Am I off base in finding this situation unpalatable? Am I in the minority, or are most just shrugging and putting up with this because they don't think anything can be done? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
