Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
Hi, Yeah, before I noticed you had done all the work, I formatted http://www.cobaltai.com/dhtml/menu5.js into readable format (attached), and there is some nice compact code in there. I wonder though, why are they explicitly declaring each variable? This is taking up lots of space, and as far as I know it's just regarded as good form, not having any real effect. I somehow have a feeling that if you strip out all the variable declarations, the compression code, and split the rest into re-usable modules, that remain in the browser-cache, that the compressed version won't be *that* much faster, if at all. I also noticed, that the original code was designed to work with NS4 as well, (attached version works partially) but it obviously doesn't work well, so they inserted a simple select-box on the live site (probably using SSI). Yet all the NS4 code is still left in the menu5.js file. There's quite a bit to learn in there, especially what regards compact coding, but it looks like the thing just had to get finished at the end, and they left in lots of redundant code. Do you know what the .NET connection is? It seems to me to be simply a cross-browser menu script, what does .NET do in this case? (I haven't used .NET yet) cheers, Richard www.richardinfo.com - Original Message - From: Antti Lukats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified Hi if somebody looked at www.cobaltai.com then those menus there are plain .NET webcontrols, stupid me not to recon them at first glance. http://www.graphord.com/files/dhtml.zip there is de-obfuscitated project tree showing the html and javascript files. MS approuch is little different from DynAPI, objects are not used at all. well you can look at yourself. :) expand.js is the HTML de-compression engine, well its damn good, the original menu with all the javascript and data was 46KB or so, but it decompresses to damn much more. Well different approuch, there are no objects created, content is also not runtime generated as much in DynAPI, mostly its simple context based string compression. happy tweaking antti ___ Dynapi-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev ___ Dynapi-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
Hi, For some reason, when I reply to posts on this list, it sends them to the poster, instead of the list, sorry about that. Attached is the file I should have attached to the last post. Antti, the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even NS6.0Linux there is is combo box. So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :) Yes it is, but the NS4 code inside the menu5.js file (lots of it) *doesn't* work, so instead of fixing it, they use SSI(I guess) to detect NS4, and load a different page. based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver rendered output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser. Could be, but I would expect it to load the version for the browser you're using, but it doesn't, it loads a (semi) cross-browser version. Maybe it's an existing cross-browser menu-script with the credits stripped? if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make sense, its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar, Really? you mean their menu-script takes up 150k??? of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :) Yeah, I did miss that, lots of stuff repeated. Richard. - Original Message - From: Antti Lukats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified Hi Ho hm. sorry you did the de-mystify also :), it was partially done, hm I am still struggling will look your code shortly to compare :) the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even NS6.0Linux there is is combo box. So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :) re .NET maybe I am wrong here but, 1) somwhere someone said that .NET WebControls do work cross broswer in a manner that the server ASPX objects are converted into broswer dependand DHMTL code. 2) that toolbar looked so damn similar to .NET VS Toolbar. 3) there is no 'webdesign by..' on cobaltai 4) ther is no copyright in .js code ??? yes it must be free then hihihi 5) there is .NET logo on www.cobaltai based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver rendered output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser. maybe I am wrong. but I really did not think that any webdesigner could design such menu and not to put his copyright into the code. NOWAY. most of those I-am-the-best-on-web guys do put the copyright/license stuff into the .js files. besides that, cobalt AI is such a joung startup (whose actual products do not work, I tried) that I would be REAL surprised if they would have hired someone to desing that Menu script (or made himself, even less likely). What they did is simply playing around with .NET studio and you seee the toolbar :) /// ok looked at your version. I am trying to 'isolate' the reoutines, and decompress the html/div but can not get it work fully, there is strange effect, if I do not use runtime Expand() but insert the DIV tags (as expand would do) then there is something f... with styles, 'visited' menus have incorrect behav, everything else works. ... trying to create few classes to represent a 'Toolbar' object that would generate all needed html code :) // if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make sense, its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar, of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :) antti PS thanks for the reply - Original Message - From: Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Antti Lukats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified Hi, Yeah, before I noticed you had done all the work, I formatted http://www.cobaltai.com/dhtml/menu5.js into readable format (attached), and there is some nice compact code in there. I wonder though, why are they explicitly declaring each variable? This is taking up lots of space, and as far as I know it's just regarded as good form, not having any real effect. I somehow have a feeling that if you strip out all the variable declarations, the compression code, and split the rest into re-usable modules, that remain in the browser-cache, that the compressed version won't be *that* much faster, if at all. I also noticed, that the original code was designed to work with NS4 as well, (attached version works partially) but it obviously doesn't work well, so they inserted a simple select-box on the live site (probably using SSI). Yet all the NS4 code is still left in the menu5.js file. There's quite a bit to learn in there, especially what regards compact coding, but it looks like the thing just had to get finished at the end, and they left in lots of redundant code. Do you know what the .NET connection is? It seems to me to be simply a cross-browser menu script, what does
Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
Hi Ho hm. sorry you did the de-mystify also :), it was partially done, hm I am still struggling will look your code shortly to compare :) the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even NS6.0Linux there is is combo box. So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :) re .NET maybe I am wrong here but, 1) somwhere someone said that .NET WebControls do work cross broswer in a manner that the server ASPX objects are converted into broswer dependand DHMTL code. 2) that toolbar looked so damn similar to .NET VS Toolbar. 3) there is no 'webdesign by..' on cobaltai 4) ther is no copyright in .js code ??? yes it must be free then hihihi 5) there is .NET logo on www.cobaltai based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver rendered output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser. maybe I am wrong. but I really did not think that any webdesigner could design such menu and not to put his copyright into the code. NOWAY. most of those I-am-the-best-on-web guys do put the copyright/license stuff into the .js files. besides that, cobalt AI is such a joung startup (whose actual products do not work, I tried) that I would be REAL surprised if they would have hired someone to desing that Menu script (or made himself, even less likely). What they did is simply playing around with .NET studio and you seee the toolbar :) /// ok looked at your version. I am trying to 'isolate' the reoutines, and decompress the html/div but can not get it work fully, there is strange effect, if I do not use runtime Expand() but insert the DIV tags (as expand would do) then there is something f... with styles, 'visited' menus have incorrect behav, everything else works. ... trying to create few classes to represent a 'Toolbar' object that would generate all needed html code :) // if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make sense, its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar, of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :) antti PS thanks for the reply [snip] ___ Dynapi-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
Hi, For some reason, when I reply to posts on this list, it sends them to the poster, instead of the list, sorry about that. Attached is the file I should have attached to the last post. Antti, the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even NS6.0Linux there is is combo box. So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :) Yes it is, but the NS4 code inside the menu5.js file (lots of it) *doesn't* work, so instead of fixing it, they use SSI(I guess) to detect NS4, and load a different page. yes, true its a mess up. There is not enough 'browser' detect on server and the server output is some 'semi-cross-browser' based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver rendered output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser. Could be, but I would expect it to load the version for the browser you're using, but it doesn't, it loads a (semi) cross-browser version. Maybe it's an existing cross-browser menu-script with the credits stripped? no, i dont think so. It is coming from .NET server and looks like MS stuff to me. if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make sense, its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar, Really? you mean their menu-script takes up 150k??? no the script is 25K but if you 'decompress' the DIV tags then the compression ratio is very big due to the fact that Styles are all embedded fully in DIV tags, there seems to be no stylesheet/classes. of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :) Yeah, I did miss that, lots of stuff repeated. hm I am partiallu generating the toolbar_items from JS classes already, palying some more Richard. - Original Message - From: Antti Lukats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified Hi Ho hm. sorry you did the de-mystify also :), it was partially done, hm I am still struggling will look your code shortly to compare :) the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even NS6.0Linux there is is combo box. So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :) re .NET maybe I am wrong here but, 1) somwhere someone said that .NET WebControls do work cross broswer in a manner that the server ASPX objects are converted into broswer dependand DHMTL code. 2) that toolbar looked so damn similar to .NET VS Toolbar. 3) there is no 'webdesign by..' on cobaltai 4) ther is no copyright in .js code ??? yes it must be free then hihihi 5) there is .NET logo on www.cobaltai based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver rendered output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser. maybe I am wrong. but I really did not think that any webdesigner could design such menu and not to put his copyright into the code. NOWAY. most of those I-am-the-best-on-web guys do put the copyright/license stuff into the .js files. besides that, cobalt AI is such a joung startup (whose actual products do not work, I tried) that I would be REAL surprised if they would have hired someone to desing that Menu script (or made himself, even less likely). What they did is simply playing around with .NET studio and you seee the toolbar :) /// ok looked at your version. I am trying to 'isolate' the reoutines, and decompress the html/div but can not get it work fully, there is strange effect, if I do not use runtime Expand() but insert the DIV tags (as expand would do) then there is something f... with styles, 'visited' menus have incorrect behav, everything else works. ... trying to create few classes to represent a 'Toolbar' object that would generate all needed html code :) // if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make sense, its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar, of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :) antti PS thanks for the reply - Original Message - From: Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Antti Lukats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified Hi, Yeah, before I noticed you had done all the work, I formatted http://www.cobaltai.com/dhtml/menu5.js into readable format (attached), and there is some nice compact code in there. I wonder though, why are they explicitly declaring each variable? This is taking up lots of space, and as far as I know it's just regarded as good form, not having any real effect. I somehow have a feeling that if you strip out all the variable declarations, the compression code, and split the rest into re-usable modules, that remain in the browser-cache, that the compressed version won't be *that* much
Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
http://www.graphord.com/desk/hhh/t1.html if someone is interested in the ultranice toolbar aka VS/.NET like tool then the above link shows a cleaned up version, its not yet fully 'objects' but the _main_ (blue) toolbar is generated from 'mozquito' like objects (www.mozquito.com) sorry not yet DynAPI based :) the java code that generates the top/vert is also on the page url above. antti ___ Dynapi-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
