Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystems and agronomy Definition of agroecosystem Re: [ECOLO G-L] The Role of Ecos

2009-03-04 Thread Wayne Tyson

Jane and Forum:

While I might quibble about the difference between dependent and adapted 
to fire, for example, I get the point if what Shevtsov means is that every 
single bit of life is an ecosystem or a subset of one. There is, however, 
a great difference between an assemblage of species that cannot shift for 
themselves, but as soon as the external influence (landscaping or a farm, 
for example) is removed, the maintained life-forms will revert to an 
ecosystem that is not dependent upon maintenance. Even after a volcano or an 
atomic explosion, for example, self-sufficient ecosystems eventually 
colonize such sites, without any help from culture. Further, the changes 
that occur in the absence of fire may well be due to its absence, but there 
is no requirement that their structure be maintained.


WT

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From: Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com

To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystems and agronomy Definition of agroecosystem 
Re: [ECOLO G-L] The Role of Ecos



Wayne and forum,

Lots of ecosystems (prairies, chaparral, many pine forests, etc.) are
dependent on fire or other types of disturbance to maintain their
structure. How is this different from being dependent on humans?

Jane

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:

Kristin and Ecolog:

I hope I have not been misunderstood. I do not object to the study of 
species interactions and habitat conditions in agriculture; I am 
concerned, however, that the distinction between natural ecosystems and 
anthropogenic alterations of them. The distinction I believe useful, if 
not critical, is that between a system that is DEPENDENT upon external 
influence and displacement/destruction of indigenous ecosystems (e.g., 
plowing, planting and maintenance of monocultures and introduction of 
other organisms that did not co-evolve with them as a TREND. I certainly 
do recognize the value of the study of such phenomena, particularly when 
its trend is in the direction of preservation of genetic diversity, not 
its reduction. I do seriously question the habit of terming anthropogenic 
assemblages of species ecosystems, as they are quite distinguishable 
from natural ecosystems. I think scientists in general, and ecologists 
in particular, have a duty to do no harm, to pass knowledge along in a 
clear and directly honest fashion to the population at large. I think the 
distinction is CRUCIAL.


If I am wrong in this, I look forward to being corrected with persuasive 
logic and evidence.


WT

- Original Message -
From: Kristin Mercer mercer...@osu.edu
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystems and agronomy Definition of 
agroecosystem Re: [ECOLO G-L] The Role of Ecos




Dear Wayne,

The definition you received from another ecologger is a good
one. Given your concern about the term agroecosystems, I think the
best way to understand agroecosystems is to see that they are
connected to, but distinct from, the natural or urban or managed
ecosystems around them. Just as savana may be surrounded by forests,
agroecosystems can exist within a matrix of other kinds of
ecosystems. So although parts of agroecology does study the effects
of agriculture on natural ecosystems, it is certainly not limited to
that perspectives. Studies of weed community dynamics, insect pest
population genetics, nutrient cycling under various management
practices (i.e., studies within the agroecosystem) all fall within
agroecology.

I would think that few agroecologists see themselves as promoting the
business as usual agriculture or destruction and degredation. In
fact, within the context of needing to grow food on our landscapes, I
think most ESA members would be cheering agroecologists along. In
that vein, the agroecology section of ESA is alive and well.

Cheers,
Kristin


At 06:03 PM 2/3/2009, Wayne Tyson wrote:

Ecolog:

I received the following off-list response to my enquiry about the
definition of agroecosystem:

Agroecosystems are best understood as the unit of study of
agroecology, which looks at agricultural production systems in terms
of ecosystem prosperities: e.g. stability, resilience, disturbance
regime, stocks and flows of nutrients and energy, and niche
dynamics, etc. Look to Miguel Altieri for a thorough, scientifically
based discussion of agroecology. Additionally, the wikipedia article
on agroecology is more substantial and less vague than the one 
agroecosystems.


I agree with the respondent that the wikipedia article on
agroecology is more substantial and less vague than the one
agroecosystems. Agro-ecology seems somewhat less of an oxymoron
than agro-ecosystem. Certainly the study of ecosystems and the
effects of agriculture upon them is legitimate, but it seems to me
that the use of the term agro-ecosystem implies that the two are
somehow interdependent or that agriculture is just 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Warren W. Aney
Maiken and others, don't get me wrong.  I am a strong proponent for using
good science to inform our decision makers.  I have presented or helped
present statements along this line for many agency and legislative hearings
and deliberations. Usually I find it most effective to present the science
without advocating a particular action or decision.  However, in many or
most cases the best available science so obviously indicates what must be
done that I don't have to advocate -- the science does it for me -- and the
climate change/energy use issue is a prime example of this.

Warren W. Aney
Tigard, Oregon

-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu]on Behalf Of Maiken Winter
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 23:43
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!


I owe you all a short explanation - I developed the survey I posted
yesterday
(http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=S2Q7Cyxa8xmJSiRNn_2b8Opw_3d_3d)
not for a scientific study but to get a quick overview over the thoughts
of scientists about their role in climate action. I plan to use the
results to write a commentary ona blog, the Clean Energy Project
(www.cleanenergy-project.de). Obviously, the survey is not perfect at all;
but it does give interesting results so far.

As it turns out, the responses are so many, the debate so intense, the
answers so contradictory, that I do want to improve this survey and repeat
it professionally to be able to have a more scientific debate on an issue
that is - in my opinion - of major importance.

Basically, I believe it is high time what we seriously rethink and debate
our role as scientists in society, and about the prioritization of our
work. Is it true that scientists have no more responsibility to act than
any other citizen - as some people commented? But isn't it also true that
we are privileged to be educated and wealthy enough to have the means and
freedom to think through the scientific evidence, and to understand what
that evidence truly means?

If we, as scientists, feel that we understand science better than other
people, isn't it our uttermost responsibility to pass on this knowledge
and understanding on to others? Not only to other scientists, but also to
the public and politicians as well. Science is not politics, and
scientists should stay away from politics, one scientist commented.  But
relying on politicians and media to interpret our data got us in the
trouble we are in today.

I hope this survey stimulates further discussion (but please more
friendly; I love debate, but only when it is based on mutual respect) and
helps us to step a bit further out of our science glasshouse to take
responsibility for what we all work for - a deeper understanding of nature
so that future generations can admire and witness what we discover. Many
of those discoveries will be useless if we do not act quickly on climate
change together.

Please do know that I am well aware of the danger to lose credibility when
getting active in public affairs, and that I absolutely do not pretend to
know the solution of how to best balance both sides. But I do believe that
at the moment we are not courageous enough to try out how to best stand on
that rope, and that our priorities at the moment are often too selfish and
short-sighted, myself included.

Thank you to all those who have participated in the survey so far! And
thanks for those who will.

Maiken Winter


Re: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Warren W. Aney
Since Wayne cited the precautionary principle, I'll second what he says with
some simpler and more direct language:  If we act now under the premise that
climate change is human-caused, and we are wrong about this cause, then the
costs will be high but the benefits could still be tremendous in terms of
reduced pollution and reductions in reliance on non-renewable carbon based
energy sources.  If we fail to act now under the premise that climate change
is not human-caused, and we are wrong, the human and environmental costs
could be catastrophic, particularly in third world and developing countries.

Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, OR

-Original Message-
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[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Tuesday, 03 March, 2009 20:48
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L]
Thank you for responding to the survey!

Y'all:

Hamilton's point is well-taken--the devil is in the details. Speaking of 
circularity, the boy who cried wolf phenomenon might be on the opposite 
side of the clock diagram from crying in the wilderness, each on the other

side of the vertical or midnight position, i.e., worlds apart in one 
sense, but in the apparent sense close together.

While I maintain a state of suspended judgment in the absence of evidence, 
neither do I recognize absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

While CO2 well might be a surrogate for habitat destruction that is at once 
sufficiently vague and sufficiently (or vaguely) scientific, I have 
decided to not cloud the issue just in case the right things get done, even 
if for the wrong reasons.

It may well be true that one can't add up all the carbon emissions directly 
caused by culture, the possibility of a sort of keystone or domino 
effect might be laid in the lap of Homo sapiens, and there is little doubt 
that there is prima facie evidence that the contributions therefrom have 
increased for the last ten millennia or so. So . . . a case in absolute 
refutation is similarly difficult. Therein might lie the (evil or saintly?) 
genius behind the carbon obsession?

In any case, it seems clear that, particularly given the probable futility 
of sufficient actual reduction (credits and other means of capitalizing 
upon the rage), the precautionary principle is probably preferable to the 
needless and heedless fraction of the unique human talent for consuming 
outside energy/mass cycles.

That is, no matter how inevitably nutty human expression may be, no matter 
how wrong some might be, a change in current trends could benefit the 
earth and its life--even, perhaps, including the guilty parties.

A Pax upon us all, great and small . . .

WT

The suspension of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual 
discipline. --Raymond Gilmore


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Hamilton rhami...@mc.edu
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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!


 Don't know if you want to post a contrasting view, but I'll offer one
 up.

 No question that human generated CO2 is causing global warming, in my
 opinion. There is, however, no evidence of a deleterious effect,
 especially given the fact that the climate does and will change one way
 or another anyways. Models predicting catastrophes have been overblown
 to a degree that is embarrassing to an informed scientist, and results a
 in classic boy who cried wolf type loss of credibility for informed
 scientists.

 With respect to our ecological impact, habitat destruction is the #1
 negative human impact, and the overall ecological footprint is the real
 issue, not just the carbon footprint. There is no activity we engage
 in as humans that is worse than the building of modern cities,
 especially when you factor in the type of agricultural practices needed
 to support those cities. The carbon footprint approach also strongly
 discriminates against those living in poorer, more rural areas, singling
 out the activities that support the economies in those areas as the
 major problem, as opposed to the much more destructive activities of
 people who live in urban areas, particularly modern urban areas. It's
 obvuiously more politically prudent to attack the weak.

 There is an issue with global warming, but it is relatively minor, as
 far as we know at this point in time, and it appears to be just another
 way of deflecting the real issue, habitat conversion. Allowing people in
 large modern cities to feel good about themselves re environmental
 issues while continuing on with the most destructive of lifestyles.

 I recall reading many months ago about Leonardo DeCaprio wanting to buy
 a tropical island and build an eco friendly resort being presented as
 evidence of some sort of environmentally responsible act. Ridiculous, of
 course, but one of the best examples of the 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] GLOBAL PRECIP DATA FROM LAT. + LONG.

2009-03-04 Thread edgardo garrido
Once I was also looking for data and then Finland's Matti Tukiainen helped me: 
http://www.gaisma.com  publishes data on
not-easy to find places like small villages in Africa and other
continents. His data are based on NASA information (Langley Research
Center Atmospheric Science data center). He says that precipitation and
wet days data are available at http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/hrg/). I do 
not know comparative advantages
and disadvantages of Tukianen's data compared to other sources; to me it was 
good because he had already summarized values.

Edgardo

Es agradable ser importante pero es más importante ser agradable
Anónimo




 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:49:45 -0800
 From: sdve...@ucdavis.edu
 Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] GLOBAL PRECIP DATA FROM LAT. + LONG.
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 
 Check out Worldclim:
 http://www.worldclim.org/
 
 Data is better for some regions (with more weather stations) than others.
 Sam
 
 
 Kevin Mueller wrote:
  I'm looking for a global database of monthly/annual precipitation and 
  temperature that reports data using only latitude and longitude as 
  coordinates.  It would be something similar to the Prism database from 
  Oregon State or Montana's Daymet but with data beyond the U.S.
  
  Any suggestions?
  
  Kevin Mueller
  Penn State University
  Intercollege Graduate Program in Ecology
  kem...@psu.edu
  
 
 -- 
 
 Sam Veloz
 Postdoctoral Researcher
 Department of Environmental Science and Policy
 University of California, Davis
 sdve...@ucdavis.edu

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[ECOLOG-L] Graduate Research Assistantship in Integrated Pest Management

2009-03-04 Thread Catherine Tarasoff
A graduate research assistantship at the PhD. level is available in the 
Invasive Plant Ecology Laboratory of Dr. Tarasoff at the School of 
Forest Resources and Environmental Science, Michigan Technological 
University. The successful applicant will lead an Integrated Pest 
Management project studying the use of the Wetblade^® 
(http://www.diamondmowers.com/) to control Canada thistle and common 
reed along roadways. The goals of the project are to reduce herbicide 
use, drift, applicator exposure and environmental contamination while 
improving invasive species control. As the project is experiment-based, 
field work will be required in the St.Paul/Minneapolis region. However, 
it is expected that the student will develop complementary greenhouse 
experiments.


A background in forestry, botany, ecology, weed science, plant 
physiology or agronomy is desirable; as well as, the application of 
statistical methods. Proficiency in spoken and written English is a 
necessity.


Michigan Tech is one of the Nation’s premier Forestry and Environmental 
Science Universities. The School of Forest Resources and Environmental 
Science has been ranked **fourth in the nation* 
http://www.academicanalytics.com/TopSchools/TopPrograms.aspx#9* for 
scholarly productivity among forestry schools, and *first in North 
America* 
http://saf.publisher.ingentaconnect.com/content/saf/jof/2006/0104/0005/art5 
based on citations per faculty member.


Michigan Tech is located in the snowbelt (200” annual snowfall) of 
Michigan's Keweenaw Peninsula on the south shore of Lake Superior. 
Michigan Tech is in the small town of Houghton, which was rated as one 
of the top 10 U.S. adrenaline outposts by National Geographic Adventure 
Magazine http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0107/trips_5.html 
and boasts excellent skiing, hiking, kayaking and mountain biking.


Consideration of applications begins immediately and will continue until 
the position is filled. The ideal start dates are May 1 or September1, 
2009. Benefits include a monthly stipend and tuition waiver.


Interested applicants are encouraged to send a letter stating your interest in the 
program and a CV to Dr. Tarasoff via email at ctara...@mtu.edu. 
mailto:ctara...@mtu.edu.

--
---
Catherine Tarasoff, PhD. – Assistant Professor
Weed Science - Invasive Plant Ecology
School of Forest Resources and Environmental Science 
Department of Biological Sciences

1400 Townsend Drive
Michigan Technological University
Houghton, MI
49931

906-487-2396
ctara...@mtu.edu



Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gene Hannon's Comment About the Survey

2009-03-04 Thread Steve Kunz
I  think Gene and Cheryl put it quite well.  It all comes down to the simple 
fact that all systems and life/energy  processes here on Earth are 
interconnected. A change in one affects others -  sometimes in ways that are 
not 
immediately obvious.  And because the interrelationships are so  complicated, I 
believe in the precautionary principle.  The overall  system (planet) will 
adapt to 
any change and continue on, but because  individual species (including homo  
sapiens) may only be able to adapt within certain thresholds, their survival  
is not assured.  Cockroaches will  see their way through the next epochs of 
global warming and global  cooling.  Species with the  intelligence to 
understand 
the interconnections, their place in them, and their  effects on them deserve 
their fate if they fail to act appropriately.  I believe that ecologists and 
other  scientists have an obligation to educate others, in whatever way they 
can, about  the dangers of a short-term perspective and the importance of 
sustainable living  and actions.  Clearly, this is  easier said than done in a 
culture where people either cannot, or chose not to,  look beyond their next 
paycheck, the next budget cycle, or the next  election.
 
Steve
 
 
Stephen P. Kunz
Senior Ecologist
Schmid  Company,  Inc.
1201 Cedar Grove Road
Media, PA 19063-1044

phone:  610-356-1416
fax: 610-356-3629

_spk...@aol.com_ (mailto:spk...@aol.com)  
_www.schmidco.com_ (http://www.schmidco.com/) 

A thing is right when it tends to preserve the  integrity, stability, and 
beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it  tends otherwise. - Aldo 
Leopold
 
 

 
In a message dated 3/4/2009 12:23:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
csw...@whittier.edu writes:

This  friend speaks my mind.  If you use the current calculators for water,  
carbon,  or ecological footprint that are available on line, a college  first 
year student sees the connection.  I realize those calculators are  sloppy and 
in many ways incorrect, but if I want to teach students about their  impact 
on the world, I will use those calculators as a starting point.   If we all 
lived on our own however many acre plot, it would not change the  fact that 
humans use a disproportionate amount of resources whether in cities  or in 
rural 
communities in developed countries.  At the end of the day,  the human 
footprint, a substitute for habitat loss, is not about cities, it is  about the 
economic and political systems humans create and perpetuate.  I  think that 
ecologists should be activists, in our own lives, in our research,  and in our 
classrooms where many of us labor to have the opportunity to do the  research 
that 
beckons us.


Cheryl Swift
James Irvine Professor of  Biology
Whittier College
Whittier, CA  90605
562-907-4273



From:  Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news on behalf of Gene  
Hannon
Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 3:55 PM
To:  ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding  to the survey!



Rob,

I think we all agree with the  importance of habitat preservation
(species conservation, preserving  ecosystem functions, etc). And I
think we all are on the same page about  the disproportionate tax on
the environment that urban areas have  compared to rural areas (or for
that matter: developed countries vs less  developed countries).
Furthermore, I think we can all agree that there is a  lot of hype
related to most issues -including global climate  change.

But  I feel it worth saying that it might be unproductive  and
imprudent (in my humble opinion) to make this problem into one of  a
false dichotomy: into either human habitat destruction or  human
climate warming. They are both worrisome. And they are  both
symptomatic of the same problem -a non sustainable life  style
(economy, or what have you); by me, you, us,  them.

Furthermore, while there are lots of anthropogenic (as well  as
non-anthropogenic) processes that result DIRECTLY in  habitat
destruction NOW, why not be concerned about those effects that  will
indirectly (and or directly) result in habitat destruction later?  Such
as our carbon foot print.

But perhaps this is all circular. I  guess I see this as a spin off of
the chicken and the egg argument. If we  truly did stop habitat
destruction it probably means we are living  sustainably, which might
then cause carbon in the atmosphere to drop to or  below 350 ppm (or
some ideal value: see 350.org). Or we could save habitat,  not live
sustainably, and have weather patterns change ecological patterns  and
processes in a way that will result in those saved habitats being  for
a collection of species that are different than originally  intended.
Or we could destroy habitat, to make carbon neutral bioenergy,  to
live sustainably so that carbon in the atmosphere goes back down  to
350 ppm, but species diversity and ecosystem processes still go to  pot
because we have destroyed habitat (i.e. the means 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Hamilton
That is a reasoned response, IMHO. However! I see no evidence that increased 
CO2 in the atmosphere, and global warming is destructive. A lot of anecdotal 
hyperbole more directed at pseudoscientific social engineering than scientific 
inquiry. Where I live Hurricane Katrina did a lot of damage. We had no power 
for over a week. I hear people passionately insisting that Katrina was caused 
by global warming; there is no evidence of this, of course.
 
Increased CO2 in the air, along with the resultant increased temperature and 
water vapor has to increase primary productivity, as we all know from basic 
principles that precipitation and temperature are the prime regulators of 
primary productivity. I see increasdPPP as a good thing overall. The 
catastophic predictions, the Al Gore sorts of things, are embarassing to me as 
an ecologist, as the public does see me as a person supporting such nonsense.
 
The type of lifestyle we live, especially in urban modern centers, requires 
massive imports of energy, and the price is always paid by people in rural 
areas. People in urban centers need cheap food, so farmers must farm large 
tracts of land for low per unit return. We then charge farmers outrageous 
prices for things like education, for example. Same thing holds for energy. We 
want cheap energy from Louisiana and Kentucky. We then charge outrageous prices 
for things like banking and asset management. The most outrageously priced 
urban resource, entertainment, be it sports or movies or television is 
absolutely inconsequential when compared to rural resources such as food, 
energy, building materials and minerals, all which are taken at minimal cost.
 
So it seems we want to drive the socio-economic status of the people of 
Appalachia, for example, down lower because we don't like coal, and want to 
enact policies to discourage and possibly eliminate the use of coal because 
we don't like CO2 in the air; lacking any solid scientific evidence that the 
CO2 does any damage, but go on taking the resource we want as cheaply as 
possible from people like those in Appalachia as suits our needs and prejudices.
 
To my minds eye, it's just a furtherance of attacking the weak to sooth our 
guilt on these issues. We need a 20 dollar loaf of bread and 2 dollar DVDs more 
than we need to reduce CO2 emissions. Even the urban poor, who where I live 
seem to have no problem buying 20 dollar DVDs, would be better to transfer the 
wealth to farmers than movie producers...that's JMHO of course, and we'd be 
better off to use coal, but pay more for it, at the expense of lower costs to 
banking services and football tickets..again, JMHO. Higher cost translates to 
lower energy use. That's what we need.
 
Anyone wants to put up windmills is also doing a good thing, IMHO. If my 
homeowners association allowed it, I'd have one in my yard, they aren't all 
that expensive.
 
Rob Hamilton

 Gene Hannon gene.han...@gmail.com 3/3/2009 5:55 PM 

Rob,

I think we all agree with the importance of habitat preservation
(species conservation, preserving ecosystem functions, etc). And I
think we all are on the same page about the disproportionate “tax” on
the environment that urban areas have compared to rural areas (or for
that matter: developed countries vs less developed countries).
Furthermore, I think we can all agree that there is a lot of hype
related to most issues *including global climate change.

But  I feel it worth saying that it might be unproductive and
imprudent (in my humble opinion) to make this problem into one of a
false dichotomy: into either human habitat destruction or human
climate warming. They are both worrisome. And they are both
symptomatic of the same problem *a non sustainable life style
(economy, or what have you); by me, you, us, them.

Furthermore, while there are lots of anthropogenic (as well as
non-anthropogenic) processes that result DIRECTLY in habitat
destruction NOW, why not be concerned about those effects that will
indirectly (and or directly) result in habitat destruction later? Such
as our carbon foot print.

But perhaps this is all circular. I guess I see this as a spin off of
the chicken and the egg argument. If we truly did stop habitat
destruction it probably means we are living sustainably, which might
then cause carbon in the atmosphere to drop to or below 350 ppm (or
some ideal value: see 350.org). Or we could save habitat, not live
sustainably, and have weather patterns change ecological patterns and
processes in a way that will result in those saved habitats being for
a collection of species that are different than originally intended.
Or we could destroy habitat, to make carbon neutral bioenergy, to
“live sustainably” so that carbon in the atmosphere goes back down to
350 ppm, but species diversity and ecosystem processes still go to pot
because we have destroyed habitat (i.e. the means does not justify the
end in this scenario). ETC. So really, it is not so much what the
impending or 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!]

2009-03-04 Thread Maiken Winter
Dear Robert,

You are absolutely right that habitat loss is one of the major problems of
today. Focus on climate change is not because it is the only problem the
world faces. There is a number of planetary boundaries that all will lead
to catastrophic outcomes if we continue on our non-sustainable path. See:

http://www.tallbergfoundation.org/T%C3%84LLBERGFORUM/T%C3%A4llbergForum2008/Exploringplanetaryboundaries/tabid/487/Default.aspx

Habitat loss and climate change are just one of them.

However, climate change is likely the one closest to irreversible tipping
points, see

http://researchpages.net/ESMG/people/tim-lenton/tipping-points/

The extreme challenge of avoiding such tipping points is that climate
change is a symptom of our unsustainable way of living - in all areas, not
just in the way we burn fossil fuels, but in how we overfish the oceans,
destroy habitats, add chemicals to our groundwaters, etc pp.

Stopping coal-fired power plants is absolutely essential to avoid passing
tipping points in the climate system. But even that will not help if we
continue to exploit the rest of the earth and destroy all natural
habitats, poison the groundwater, I hope that by thinking and feeling
through the climate crisis we learn to better understand our place on
earth.

BTW, the fact that the poor have to endure the worst effects of climate
change although they least caused it, is a major issue in climate
policies, and one of the huge issues that urgently needs to get resolved
at the UN climate conference in Copenhagen this December. I don't know
where you heard that the rich are supposed to be causing fewer emissions
than the poor. Of course that's completely wrong. Just all the stuff we
buy causes almost  1/3 of the CO2 emissions of the average German. For
sure the rich buy and use up a lot more than the poor, no?

I am also not sure where you get the information that effects of climate
change are not extremely worrisome. Check out the IPCC 4'th assessment
report (http://www.ipcc.ch/) from 2007. To appreciate what you read you
need to know that recent research has demonstrated that the increase in
global temperature, in CO2 concentration and in sea level rise, as well as
the melting of the Arctic sea-ice and the disintegration of the West
Antarctic ice sheet is as fast or faster than the most pessimistic models
of the IPCC described.

Because the IPCC report is outdated, there will be an emergency conference
on climate science next week in Copenhagen (which I am luckily to be able
to attend). You might want to check out its webpage
(http://climatecongress.ku.dk/) to see the overwhelming amount of
scientific evidence for the increasing speed of climate change impacts
that will be presented.

For an interesting reading, also see:
http://www.tallbergfoundation.org/Default.aspx?tabid=555

I will summarize my findings from the survey next week and send it to you
all. Thanks for all the input!

Maiken



 Don't know if you want to post a contrasting view, but I'll offer one up.

 No question that human generated CO2 is causing global warming, in my
opinion. There is, however, no evidence of a deleterious effect,
especially given the fact that the climate does and will change one way
or another anyways. Models predicting catastrophes have been overblown
to a degree that is embarrassing to an informed scientist, and results a
in classic boy who cried wolf type loss of credibility for informed
scientists.

 With respect to our ecological impact, habitat destruction is the #1
negative human impact, and the overall ecological footprint is the real
issue, not just the carbon footprint. There is no activity we engage
in as humans that is worse than the building of modern cities,
 especially when you factor in the type of agricultural practices needed
to support those cities. The carbon footprint approach also strongly
discriminates against those living in poorer, more rural areas, singling
out the activities that support the economies in those areas as the
major problem, as opposed to the much more destructive activities of
people who live in urban areas, particularly modern urban areas. It's
obvuiously more politically prudent to attack the weak.

 There is an issue with global warming, but it is relatively minor, as
far as we know at this point in time, and it appears to be just another
way of deflecting the real issue, habitat conversion. Allowing people in
large modern cities to feel good about themselves re environmental
issues while continuing on with the most destructive of lifestyles.

 I recall reading many months ago about Leonardo DeCaprio wanting to buy
a tropical island and build an eco friendly resort being presented as
evidence of some sort of environmentally responsible act. Ridiculous, of
course, but one of the best examples of the sort or poor thinking that
drives a lot of the pop culture based environmental movement.

 Rob Hamilton



 So easy it seemed once found, which yet
 unfound most would 

[ECOLOG-L] [NCSE] Help Free Holdren and Lubchenco nominations!

2009-03-04 Thread NCSE

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Help Free Holdren and Lubchenco nominations!

 

According to The Washington Post and our friends at Climate Science Watch,
Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) has placed a hold on the confirmation of John
Holdren as the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy
(OSTP) and of Jane Lubchenco as the Administrator of the National
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).  This technique is used
by senators to block or delay a presidential appointment. In this case
Senator Mendendez is reportedly holding up the nominations of these leading
scientists whose appointment was announced by then President-elect Obama in
mid-December (see http://ncseonline.org/Updates/cms.cfm?id=2862) due to a
completely unrelated matter dealing with Cuba policy.

 

NCSE contacted Senator Menendez's office on Tuesday and was told that they
were receiving lots of calls and emails on the topic, but they would not say
whether the Senator is holding up the nominations.  NCSE told the Senator's
staffer that they should expect many, many more calls unless they release
the hold and that we would check back today before alerting our list.  As of
this morning when NCSE called back, Senator Mendendez's office still was
unwilling to provide any information, other than to say that the Senator was
extremely committed to the environment and that they had received calls and
emails on the issue. Therefore we urge everyone who receives this message,
especially New Jersey residents to call, fax or email Senator Menendez TODAY
at phone 202.224.4744;
202.228.2197 fax; or email using the form at
http://www.menendez.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm 

 

Please also send an email to clim...@ncseonline.org to let us know that you
have contacted Senator Menendez and what response your received if any.

 

What you say matters much less than the volume of contacts the Senator
receives.  A simple message to allow the nominations to proceed is
sufficient.

See below for more information from Climate Science Watch.

 

Thanks,

 

David E. Blockstein, Ph.D.
Executive Secretary, 
Council of Environmental Deans and Directors
Senior Scientist
National Council for Science and the Environment
NEW ADDRESS 1101 17th St. NW #250
Washington DC 20036
202-207-0004 direct
202-530-5810 general
202-628-4311 fax
da...@ncseonline.org 
www.ncseonline.org 

 

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Thank you.

 

 


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Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) delays confirmation of John Holdren and Jane
Lubchenco


Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 


The Washington Post reports
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR200903020
2425.html  this morning that the long-awaited Senate confirmation of
Presidential Science Adviser John Holdren and NOAA Administrator Jane
Lubchenco has been put on hold by Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) over an
unrelated matter.  We wrote a letter to the Senator urging him to withdraw
his objection, contacted his office by phone, and encourage our colleagues
to do likewise.  Contact information follows, see details 

Juliet Eilperin's article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/02/AR200903020
2425.html  reports; 

Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) has placed a hold that blocks votes on
confirming Harvard University physicist John Holdren, who is in line to lead
the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Oregon State
University marine biologist Jane Lubchenco, Obama's nominee to head the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Menendez is [allegedly]
using the holds as leverage to get Senate leaders' attention for a matter
related to Cuba ... 

Anyone wishing to urge the Senator to release his hold immediately so we can
get down to the business of dealing with climate disruption --including the
eventual inundation of the New Jersey shore as a result of sea level
rise-can do so by placing a phone call to his office and/or sending a note: 

Menendez, Robert - (D - NJ) 

528 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 

(202) 224-4744 

http://www.menendez.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm 

We are seeing that grassroots democracy is an increasingly powerful means
for advancing our civic responsibilities in dealing with climate disruption.
We see no reason why his phone should not be ringing off the hook and his
email flooded today over this matter. 

Here is our letter to the Senator: 

Climate Science Watch 
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org 
Government Accountability Project 
http://www.whistleblower.org 
1612 K Street, Suite 1100 
Washington, DC 20006 

Senator Robert Menendez 
528 Hart Senate Office Building 
US Senate 
Washington, DC 20510 

Dear Sen. Menendez: 

We read in today's Washington Post ('Nominations on Hold For 

[ECOLOG-L] soil scientist positions, Beartooth Mountains, MT

2009-03-04 Thread Sabine Mellmann-Brown
---
JOB ANNOUNCEMENT (Seasonal Positions) 
---

Two soil scientist positions are available for the field season 2009 to
inventory soils of the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness as part of the
Terrestrial Ecological Unit Inventory (TEUI) of the Custer National Forest
in Montana. A considerable portion of the field work will be located in the
upper subalpine and alpine zones of the Beartooth Mountains immediately
northeast of Yellowstone National Park. This mountain range is known for
extensive high elevation plateaus with the largest continuous alpine area of
the lower 48 states.   

Soil scientists will team up with botanists to locate sampling site with
GPS, topographic maps and/or aerial photos, inventory plant community,
characterize landforms and complete soil survey. Applicants must be in
excellent physical condition, able to hike in rugged, mountainous terrain,
carry heavy loads, dig one meter deep soil pits in rocky substrates, and be
enthusiastic about working and living outdoors in variable weather. Due to
the remote location of many sampling sites, jobs require living in the
backcountry for 8 consecutive days with appropriate time off between trips.
Field work will start middle of June and continue to the end of August 2009. 

QUALIFICATIONS: Course work and/or field experience in soil classification
or related field, familiarity with NRCS soil survey standards. Applicants
should be highly motivated and able to work long hours as team members in
remote settings.

COMPENSATION: $10-$13/hour depending on qualification,  ~40 hrs/week with
irregular hours, June - August 2009
 
TO APPLY: Please send a resume, unofficial copies of transcripts and list of
three references to Sabine Mellmann-Brown, Montana State University,
Department of Ecology, 310 Lewis Hall, Bozeman, MT 59717-3460. E-mail
applications will be accepted in PDF format only to mellmann*at*montana.edu.
Review of applications begins on March 30, 2009. 


[ECOLOG-L] Post-doc position in forest/plant ecology and modeling

2009-03-04 Thread Kiona ogle
A postdoctoral scientist position is available at the University of Wyoming.
 The postdoc will be a part of a project team that is developing and testing
a scaling framework for understanding forest diversity and productivity. The
project involves three main components organized around the following
questions. How do plant traits related to tree form and function vary
between species, and how do evolutionary versus environmental drivers affect
trait variability? Is a species-specific representation of form and function
necessary to describe community and ecosystem properties? How do we develop
a general scaling framework for predicting large-scale forest dynamics that
includes species-specific trait variability and key physiological
mechanisms? Data-model integration methods will be developed and applied to
address these questions, including: (i) dynamic process models that link
tree form and function; (ii) Bayesian meta-analysis tools for analyzing
literature data on species-specific traits that incorporate phylogenetic
information; and (iii) rigorous statistical and computational methods for
informing the process model with large and disparate data sources.
Qualifications: (1) a PhD with expertise in one or more of the following or
related areas: ecology, ecological modeling, statistics, or ecological
informatics; (2) strong mathematical and statistical background, especially
in likelihood or Bayesian methods; (3) proficient programming skills; (4)
background in forest ecology or plant physiological ecology, or ability and
desire to develop quickly a proficiency in these areas;  (5) good verbal and
written communication skills; and (6) ability and desire to interact and
collaborate with other scientists. The project PIs are Drs. Kiona Ogle
(Botany  Statistics; www.uwyo.edu/oglelab) and Jarrett Barber (Statistics).
Application materials: (1) cover letter stating research interests, why this
position is of interest, and relevant qualifications and experience, (2) CV,
and (3) names and contact information of three references. Send via email a
PDF copy of the application materials to Dr. Kiona Ogle (ko...@uwyo.edu).
Please submit applications by May 1, 2009. Pending final approval of
funding, the preferred start date is before July 1, 2009. For more
information, contact Dr. Ogle via email.


[ECOLOG-L] Post Doc in Road Ecology

2009-03-04 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?Matt_Betts?=
Research Associate (Postdoctoral) in Road Ecology, College of Forestry, 
Department of Forest Ecosystems and Society (FES), Oregon State University 
and Pacific Northwest Research Station (USDA Forest Service). The primary 
role of this position is to develop a basic and applied research agenda and 
program that will help inform road-related land-use policies in the US.  
The successful applicant will perform a broad array of research activities 
including meta-analysis, literature review, experimental design of a large-
scale study on road closure, and writing peer-reviewed scientific 
publications. The position requires a Ph.D. in ecology/ conservation 
biology or related field with a strong interest in landscape ecology and 
road ecology.  Priority will be given to candidates with a high degree of 
independence, a strong quantitative background including spatial analysis, 
as well as experience in database management and grant writing.
We currently have funding for 1 year at 0.75 FTE at a competitive salary 
and benefits, with good potential for extension dependent on funding.  
Precedence exists in FES for conversion of research associates to longer-
term positions.

To apply, please send a CV, contact information for three references, 2 
examples of publications and a 2 page statement of interest. We encourage 
candidates to include information in their statement on how their 
background will contribute to the position, and how the position may 
benefit their career. Applications should be sent to Dr. Matthew Betts: 
matthew.be...@oregonstate.edu. Inquires should be directed toward either 
Dr. Betts or Dr. Winston Smith, USFS: winstonsm...@fs.fed.us. 
For more information on the research program and OSU please review the 
websites: http://www.fsl.orst.edu/flel/index.htm, http://oregonstate.edu/  
For information on research programs and the pacific Northwest Research 
Station, please visit the following website: 
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/research/index.shtml  Applications submitted 
before May 1st, 2009 will be given priority, though we will continue to 
accept applications until the position is filled.


Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Tom Cuba
Maiken writes: the debate so intense, the answers so 
contradictory,  I would say the first results are in - there is no 
consensus.  Not on the problem and not on what to do about it.



Maiken Winter wrote:

I owe you all a short explanation - I developed the survey I posted yesterday
(http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=S2Q7Cyxa8xmJSiRNn_2b8Opw_3d_3d)
not for a scientific study but to get a quick overview over the thoughts
of scientists about their role in climate action. I plan to use the
results to write a commentary ona blog, the Clean Energy Project
(www.cleanenergy-project.de). Obviously, the survey is not perfect at all;
but it does give interesting results so far.

As it turns out, the responses are so many, the debate so intense, the
answers so contradictory, that I do want to improve this survey and repeat
it professionally to be able to have a more scientific debate on an issue
that is - in my opinion - of major importance.

Basically, I believe it is high time what we seriously rethink and debate
our role as scientists in society, and about the prioritization of our
work. Is it true that scientists have no more responsibility to act than
any other citizen - as some people commented? But isn't it also true that
we are privileged to be educated and wealthy enough to have the means and
freedom to think through the scientific evidence, and to understand what
that evidence truly means?

If we, as scientists, feel that we understand science better than other
people, isn't it our uttermost responsibility to pass on this knowledge
and understanding on to others? Not only to other scientists, but also to
the public and politicians as well. Science is not politics, and
scientists should stay away from politics, one scientist commented.  But
relying on politicians and media to interpret our data got us in the
trouble we are in today.

I hope this survey stimulates further discussion (but please more
friendly; I love debate, but only when it is based on mutual respect) and
helps us to step a bit further out of our science glasshouse to take
responsibility for what we all work for - a deeper understanding of nature
so that future generations can admire and witness what we discover. Many
of those discoveries will be useless if we do not act quickly on climate
change together.

Please do know that I am well aware of the danger to lose credibility when
getting active in public affairs, and that I absolutely do not pretend to
know the solution of how to best balance both sides. But I do believe that
at the moment we are not courageous enough to try out how to best stand on
that rope, and that our priorities at the moment are often too selfish and
short-sighted, myself included.

Thank you to all those who have participated in the survey so far! And
thanks for those who will.

Maiken Winter


  


--
Thomas R. Cuba, Ph.D., CEP, CLM
President, Delta Seven Inc.
http://www.delta-seven.com
727-823-2443


[ECOLOG-L] Proceedings of the Animal-Borne Imaging Symposium

2009-03-04 Thread Danielle Rappaport
National Geographic’s Remote Imaging Department would like to announce the 
publication of the Proceedings from the first Animal-Borne Imaging 
Symposium. Animal-borne imaging is a growing discipline that integrates 
video, audio, environmental, geospatial and physiological data collection 
in an animal-borne instrument. Recording from the animal's point of view, 
without human presence, it enables unobtrusive study of 
difficult-to-observe animal behavior. In recent years, ever-miniaturizing 
video and digital technologies have enabled smaller, more streamlined, and 
more robust data-rich systems to be developed.  This progression has led 
to more deployments on more species, which has resulted in an expanding 
body of statistically-supported assertions of novel behaviors and 
ecological relationships that have far-reaching conservation and 
management implications. 

We wanted to provide a venue for researchers to share and celebrate their 
experiences using these imaging systems, so in October 2007, the National 
Geographic Society hosted the first-ever Animal-Borne Imaging Symposium at 
its headquarters in Washington DC.  More than fifty researchers from 
around the world participated in this inaugural conference, and over the 
three days, delegates gave some 50 presentations, and hosted two dozen 
additional panels, films, and student/teacher activities exploring this 
concept.  To encapsulate this knowledge, and make it available for 
reference, we've published our Animal-Borne Imaging Symposium Proceedings. 
 

Those interested in obtaining a free copy of the book can download the PDF 
(14MB) by clicking on the “Animal-Borne Imaging Symposium Proceedings” 
link from the following webpage: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/abis/. 

Regards,

Danielle Rappaport
Program Coordinator
Remote Imaging Department
National Geographic Society






[ECOLOG-L] USA National Phenology Network Inaugural Year

2009-03-04 Thread Abraham Miller-Rushing

Taking the Pulse of our Planet:
Volunteers Needed to Track Seasonal Signs of Climate Change


Volunteers across the nation are being recruited to get outdoors and  
help track the effects of climate on seasonal changes in plant and  
animal behavior.


The USA-National Phenology Network (USA-NPN), a consortium of  
government, academic and citizen-scientists, is launching a new  
national program built on volunteer observations of flowering,  
fruiting and other seasonal events. Scientists and resource managers  
will use these observations to track effects of climate change on the  
Earth’s life-support systems.


“This program is designed for people interested in participating in  
climate change science, not just reading about it,” said USA-NPN  
Executive Director and U.S. Geological Survey scientist Jake Weltzin.  
“We encourage everyone to visit the website (www.usanpn.org) and then  
go outside and observe the marvelous cycles of plant and animal life.”


Phenology is the study of the seasonal cycles of plant and animals,  
such as plants sprouting, flowering and fruiting, and animals  
reproducing, migrating and hibernating. Changes in these patterns,  
caused by climate change or other factors, can significantly affect  
human economies and health. In some areas, such changes have already  
imperiled species, such as in the disappearance of some wildflowers  
from near Walden Pond, home of the famed 19th-century naturalist Henry  
David Thoreau.


The USA-NPN monitoring program harnesses the power of people and the  
Internet to vastly increase the data available to scientists and the  
public alike, Weltzin said. The program provides easy-to-use methods  
to track the life cycles of nearly 200 species of plants, and will  
begin monitoring animals next year.
Mark D. Schwartz, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee  
and chair of the USA-NPN board of directors, said monitoring changes  
in seasonal events across large areas helps researchers forecast the  
effects of global climate change on plants, animals, and ecosystems.


Among other uses, data collected by USA-NPN will help resource  
managers predict wildfires and pollen production, detect and control  
invasive species, monitor droughts, and assess the vulnerability of  
various plant and animal species to climate change.


The USA-NPN, based at The University of Arizona in Tucson, is built  
upon partnerships among citizen scientists, government agencies,  
nongovernment organizations, academic researchers, educators and the  
public. The rapidly expanding network includes collaborations among  
the U.S. Geological Survey, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, The  
University of Arizona, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and The  
Wildlife Society. Project BudBurst, a major partner of the USA-NPN, is  
launching its second season of plant phenology monitoring at www.budburst.org 
.


Link to press release: http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2151

[ECOLOG-L] Research Experience for Undergraduates

2009-03-04 Thread =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bridget_Walden?=
The Academy for the Environment (http://environment.unr.edu/), facilitating
student involvement in environmental research and education at UNR, and the
Great Basin Institute (http://www.thegreatbasininstitute.org/), an
environmental research, education and conservation organization, invite
applications for the summer 2009 REU program in natural resources –
conservation and socioeconomic issues, sponsored by the National Science
Foundation. 

Overview of Program: Research teams will work in the eastern Sierra region
of Nevada, within the Lake Tahoe-Truckee River-Pyramid Lake watershed, on
studies ranging from fire effects on watershed restoration to anthropogenic
influences on water quality along the shore zone at Lake Tahoe. Participants
will be exposed to diverse scientific inquiries and technologies to gain
insight into how science informs land and water use policy, management and
conservation initiatives.

The program will take place during the ten consecutive weeks of 8 June
through 14 August 2009.

Students in the program will be provided a stipend of $4500, along with
housing and per diem.

Research Topics Include:
• Biological, physical and chemical sampling of aquatic resources
• Impacts and management of invasive species
• Remote sensing and rephotography (comparing past and current images of an
area)analyses of environmental change
• Resource management policy and implementation within the watershed
• Recreation and capacity studies of state and federal lands in the Tahoe Basin

Eligibility: Qualified undergraduates, who will have junior or senior status
and will be a full-time student in the Fall 2009 term, with a combination of
coursework in the following disciplines are invited to apply:
environmental studies, natural resources, biology, ecology, hydrology,
resource economics, and statistics. We especially encourage applications
from students at primarily undergraduate institutions and from
underrepresented groups. Participants must be citizens or permanent legal
residents of the USA. Review of applications will begin on 20 March 2009.
Applications received after this date will be considered on a
space-available basis.

Contact: See http://environment.unr.edu/ for links to an application and
other information on this REU program. For further information, contact Mike
Collopy at mcoll...@unr.edu or 775-784-8262.


[ECOLOG-L] Seasonal Position: Live-in Intern at Elk Lake, Adirondacks, NY

2009-03-04 Thread Erin Page
This position is ideal for persons seeking solitude, serenity, and
beautiful pristine landscapes during the writing stage of thier
dissertation, or have field sites in the high peaks areas of the
Adirondacks, but have no funding. Free food, lodging, and decent tip
share.

Seeking interested individual to live at Elk Lake Lodge
(elklakelodge.com) located on a 12,000-acre privately-owned forest
preserve in the heart of the High Peaks region, ringed by Dix, Macomb,
Nippletop and Colvin mountains with 40 miles of well-maintained
private trails and the take-off point for state trails into the High
Peaks Wilderness Area during the period May 1 – October 17, 2008
(Dates listed are preferred but flexible, according to student
schedule)

Responsibilities:

·    Answer phones and take reservations from 4:30 to 8:30 pm.

·    Assist dining room/ kitchen staff as needed

·    Strong interpersonal and communication skills

·    On property overnight and available to mitigate emergencies
as well as minor incidents

·    Knowledge of the property and area attractions of potential
interest to guests

·    Ability to work at least 20 hours a week



In exchange, Elk Lake Lodge will provide:

·    Free room and board

·    Use of all Elk Lake facilities

·    12,000-acre private preserve including 2 lakes for recreation
and/or owner-approved research

·    Hourly rate beginning at $9.00 per hour





Call Managers Cammy or Mike Sheridan at 518-532-7616 or e-mail
i...@elklakelodge.com to arrange an interview

--
Erin L. Page
MS Environmental Science, Water and Wetland Resources
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
http://www.esf.edu/efb/horton/Page_bio.htm


Re: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Wayne Tyson

Honorable Forum:

Ecosystems are resilient; cultural systems are brittle. Nature is 
indifferent, not caring. The ecosystem adapts (by structural 
alterations, aka extinction and population shifts in ratio) to change, 
whether culture survives or not. Que sera, sera.


WT

'Cause suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes,
And I can take or leave it if I please

   --Mike Altman

- Original Message - 
From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net

To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: 
[ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!



Since Wayne cited the precautionary principle, I'll second what he says 
with
some simpler and more direct language:  If we act now under the premise 
that
climate change is human-caused, and we are wrong about this cause, then 
the

costs will be high but the benefits could still be tremendous in terms of
reduced pollution and reductions in reliance on non-renewable carbon based
energy sources.  If we fail to act now under the premise that climate 
change

is not human-caused, and we are wrong, the human and environmental costs
could be catastrophic, particularly in third world and developing 
countries.


Warren W. Aney
Senior Wildlife Ecologist
Tigard, OR

-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Tuesday, 03 March, 2009 20:48
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L]
Thank you for responding to the survey!

Y'all:

Hamilton's point is well-taken--the devil is in the details. Speaking of
circularity, the boy who cried wolf phenomenon might be on the opposite
side of the clock diagram from crying in the wilderness, each on the 
other


side of the vertical or midnight position, i.e., worlds apart in one
sense, but in the apparent sense close together.

While I maintain a state of suspended judgment in the absence of evidence,
neither do I recognize absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

While CO2 well might be a surrogate for habitat destruction that is at 
once

sufficiently vague and sufficiently (or vaguely) scientific, I have
decided to not cloud the issue just in case the right things get done, 
even

if for the wrong reasons.

It may well be true that one can't add up all the carbon emissions 
directly

caused by culture, the possibility of a sort of keystone or domino
effect might be laid in the lap of Homo sapiens, and there is little doubt
that there is prima facie evidence that the contributions therefrom have
increased for the last ten millennia or so. So . . . a case in absolute
refutation is similarly difficult. Therein might lie the (evil or 
saintly?)

genius behind the carbon obsession?

In any case, it seems clear that, particularly given the probable futility
of sufficient actual reduction (credits and other means of capitalizing
upon the rage), the precautionary principle is probably preferable to the
needless and heedless fraction of the unique human talent for consuming
outside energy/mass cycles.

That is, no matter how inevitably nutty human expression may be, no matter
how wrong some might be, a change in current trends could benefit the
earth and its life--even, perhaps, including the guilty parties.

A Pax upon us all, great and small . . .

WT

The suspension of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual
discipline. --Raymond Gilmore


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Hamilton rhami...@mc.edu

To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!



Don't know if you want to post a contrasting view, but I'll offer one
up.

No question that human generated CO2 is causing global warming, in my
opinion. There is, however, no evidence of a deleterious effect,
especially given the fact that the climate does and will change one way
or another anyways. Models predicting catastrophes have been overblown
to a degree that is embarrassing to an informed scientist, and results a
in classic boy who cried wolf type loss of credibility for informed
scientists.

With respect to our ecological impact, habitat destruction is the #1
negative human impact, and the overall ecological footprint is the real
issue, not just the carbon footprint. There is no activity we engage
in as humans that is worse than the building of modern cities,
especially when you factor in the type of agricultural practices needed
to support those cities. The carbon footprint approach also strongly
discriminates against those living in poorer, more rural areas, singling
out the activities that support the economies in those areas as the
major problem, as opposed to the much more destructive activities of
people who live in urban areas, particularly modern urban areas. It's
obvuiously more politically prudent to attack the 

[ECOLOG-L] Journal announcement

2009-03-04 Thread Tomasz Kałuski
Hello!

 
I would like to announce the leading open access European malacological 
journal: Folia Malacologica. All volumes/issues are free available at 
www.foliamalacologica.com

Best wishes,
Tomasz Kaluski


[ECOLOG-L] Alaska Summer Field Course: Wildlands Studies 2009

2009-03-04 Thread Sophie Gilbert
The Wrangell Mountains Center is pleased to announce the Alaska Wildlands
Studies Summer Field Program. Please pass this on to any of your qualified
and potentially interested undergraduate students.

The Alaska Wildlands Studies Summer Field Program is an intensive field
course focusing on the ecology, geology, and local culture of the rugged
Wrangell-St. Elias National Park, Alaska. The seven week course is taught
through the Wrangell Mountains Center, a private, non-profit, environmental
institute located in the historic mining town of McCarthy, in the heart of
the park. The nearby peaks, glaciers, alpine valleys and subalpine forests
provide an ideal setting for hands-on fieldwork, while the rich cultural
history of the park provides a fascinating setting in which to conduct research.

Students will gain a thorough understanding of ecological and geological
principles in the context of the local wilderness environment through a
combination of classroom lectures and rigorous field exercises. Using this
skill set, students and faculty will collaborate to design field research
projects based on each student’s individual interests. Using their field
data, students will complete a final paper and presentation of their
results. Participants earn 12 semester units (18 quarter units) of
transferable, upper division college credit through the California State
University Monterey Bay. This credit has been successfully transferred to a
wide range of colleges and universities to satisfy ecology and biology
degree field requirements and geology field camp requirements.

Alaska field studies program participants receive credits for three courses:

Environmental Wildlands Studies (ENVS 370 A), 4 semester units
Wildlands Ecological Evaluation (ENVS 370 B), 4 semester units
Wildlands Environment and Culture (ENVS 370 C), 4 semester units

Participants will receive a letter grade (or a pass/no pass on request)
based on 1) assigned field exercises and daily entries in field journals; 2)
formal presentations at group seminars; 3) written examinations; 4) written
term paper; and 5) completion of required readings.

Program Costs:

Program Fee:$2395 plus $75 application fee, due 5/15/09
Estimated in-county expenses:   $1525 per person for land transportation,
fuel, lodging, field activities/permits, course materials.

Scholarships and financial aid are available for this course. For
scholarship information or for more details regarding the course and
location, please visit our websites at:
http://www.wrangells.org/aws.html  
http://www.wildlandsstudies.com/5.html.

Please feel free to contact us with any questions you may have about the
program.

Sophie Gilbert, Faculty Megan Gahl, Faculty and Academic Coordinator
sophielgilb...@gmail.comga...@unb.ca


Re: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Jane Shevtsov
Are all natural systems resilient? What about the early successional
systems that human agriculture approximates? Are all cultural systems,
including hunter-gatherer societies or the Catholic Church, brittle?

Jane

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
 Honorable Forum:

 Ecosystems are resilient; cultural systems are brittle. Nature is
 indifferent, not caring. The ecosystem adapts (by structural
 alterations, aka extinction and population shifts in ratio) to change,
 whether culture survives or not. Que sera, sera.

 WT

 'Cause suicide is painless,
 It brings on many changes,
 And I can take or leave it if I please

       --Mike Altman

 - Original Message - From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re:
 [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!


 Since Wayne cited the precautionary principle, I'll second what he says
 with
 some simpler and more direct language:  If we act now under the premise
 that
 climate change is human-caused, and we are wrong about this cause, then
 the
 costs will be high but the benefits could still be tremendous in terms of
 reduced pollution and reductions in reliance on non-renewable carbon based
 energy sources.  If we fail to act now under the premise that climate
 change
 is not human-caused, and we are wrong, the human and environmental costs
 could be catastrophic, particularly in third world and developing
 countries.

 Warren W. Aney
 Senior Wildlife Ecologist
 Tigard, OR

 -Original Message-
 From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
 [mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
 Sent: Tuesday, 03 March, 2009 20:48
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 Subject: [ECOLOG-L] CLIMATE CHANGE Anthropogenic ignition? Re: [ECOLOG-L]
 Thank you for responding to the survey!

 Y'all:

 Hamilton's point is well-taken--the devil is in the details. Speaking of
 circularity, the boy who cried wolf phenomenon might be on the opposite
 side of the clock diagram from crying in the wilderness, each on the
 other

 side of the vertical or midnight position, i.e., worlds apart in one
 sense, but in the apparent sense close together.

 While I maintain a state of suspended judgment in the absence of evidence,
 neither do I recognize absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

 While CO2 well might be a surrogate for habitat destruction that is at
 once
 sufficiently vague and sufficiently (or vaguely) scientific, I have
 decided to not cloud the issue just in case the right things get done,
 even
 if for the wrong reasons.

 It may well be true that one can't add up all the carbon emissions
 directly
 caused by culture, the possibility of a sort of keystone or domino
 effect might be laid in the lap of Homo sapiens, and there is little doubt
 that there is prima facie evidence that the contributions therefrom have
 increased for the last ten millennia or so. So . . . a case in absolute
 refutation is similarly difficult. Therein might lie the (evil or
 saintly?)
 genius behind the carbon obsession?

 In any case, it seems clear that, particularly given the probable futility
 of sufficient actual reduction (credits and other means of capitalizing
 upon the rage), the precautionary principle is probably preferable to the
 needless and heedless fraction of the unique human talent for consuming
 outside energy/mass cycles.

 That is, no matter how inevitably nutty human expression may be, no matter
 how wrong some might be, a change in current trends could benefit the
 earth and its life--even, perhaps, including the guilty parties.

 A Pax upon us all, great and small . . .

 WT

 The suspension of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual
 discipline. --Raymond Gilmore


 - Original Message - From: Robert Hamilton rhami...@mc.edu
 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!


 Don't know if you want to post a contrasting view, but I'll offer one
 up.

 No question that human generated CO2 is causing global warming, in my
 opinion. There is, however, no evidence of a deleterious effect,
 especially given the fact that the climate does and will change one way
 or another anyways. Models predicting catastrophes have been overblown
 to a degree that is embarrassing to an informed scientist, and results a
 in classic boy who cried wolf type loss of credibility for informed
 scientists.

 With respect to our ecological impact, habitat destruction is the #1
 negative human impact, and the overall ecological footprint is the real
 issue, not just the carbon footprint. There is no activity we engage
 in as humans that is worse than the building of modern cities,
 especially when you factor in the type of agricultural practices needed
 to support those cities. The carbon footprint 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Thank you for responding to the survey!

2009-03-04 Thread Jane Shevtsov
See www.realclimate.org.

Jane

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Tom Cuba tom.c...@delta-seven.com wrote:
 Maiken writes: the debate so intense, the answers so contradictory,  I
 would say the first results are in - there is no consensus.  Not on the
 problem and not on what to do about it.


 Maiken Winter wrote:

 I owe you all a short explanation - I developed the survey I posted
 yesterday
 (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=S2Q7Cyxa8xmJSiRNn_2b8Opw_3d_3d)
 not for a scientific study but to get a quick overview over the thoughts
 of scientists about their role in climate action. I plan to use the
 results to write a commentary ona blog, the Clean Energy Project
 (www.cleanenergy-project.de). Obviously, the survey is not perfect at all;
 but it does give interesting results so far.

 As it turns out, the responses are so many, the debate so intense, the
 answers so contradictory, that I do want to improve this survey and repeat
 it professionally to be able to have a more scientific debate on an issue
 that is - in my opinion - of major importance.

 Basically, I believe it is high time what we seriously rethink and debate
 our role as scientists in society, and about the prioritization of our
 work. Is it true that scientists have no more responsibility to act than
 any other citizen - as some people commented? But isn't it also true that
 we are privileged to be educated and wealthy enough to have the means and
 freedom to think through the scientific evidence, and to understand what
 that evidence truly means?

 If we, as scientists, feel that we understand science better than other
 people, isn't it our uttermost responsibility to pass on this knowledge
 and understanding on to others? Not only to other scientists, but also to
 the public and politicians as well. Science is not politics, and
 scientists should stay away from politics, one scientist commented.  But
 relying on politicians and media to interpret our data got us in the
 trouble we are in today.

 I hope this survey stimulates further discussion (but please more
 friendly; I love debate, but only when it is based on mutual respect) and
 helps us to step a bit further out of our science glasshouse to take
 responsibility for what we all work for - a deeper understanding of nature
 so that future generations can admire and witness what we discover. Many
 of those discoveries will be useless if we do not act quickly on climate
 change together.

 Please do know that I am well aware of the danger to lose credibility when
 getting active in public affairs, and that I absolutely do not pretend to
 know the solution of how to best balance both sides. But I do believe that
 at the moment we are not courageous enough to try out how to best stand on
 that rope, and that our priorities at the moment are often too selfish and
 short-sighted, myself included.

 Thank you to all those who have participated in the survey so far! And
 thanks for those who will.

 Maiken Winter




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