Re: [Elecraft] Expect delays in our responses to K3 questions for awhile

2007-05-06 Thread Julian, G4ILO
A couple of questions I didn't see answered there (perhaps I missed them) 
are:

- what type are the antenna connectors (look like SO239's in the rear view 
on the data sheet)

- what protocol does the radio's RS-232 control use? (I'm guessing it will 
have a lot of unique commands, but if it can be used with something like 
the Kenwood protocol, like the K2, that will be a big help until the 
various CAT programs add full K3 support.)

I'm also intrigued by the idea of computerless datamodes operation using a 
small external keyboard instead of a CW paddle. Will that be a future 
kit?

I'm totally gobsmacked by the K3. I never imagined that the K3 people have 
fantasized over for years on this reflector would actually become a 
reality, in kit form too, at such a reasonable price. The moment I saw 
this, as when I first read about the K2 back in 1999, I knew this was one 
radio I just had to have.

From this side of the Atlantic, at $2 / £1 exchange rate, it looks very 
good value indeed. I'm hoping that the modular kit will qualify for import 
duty exemtion as well. I have decided to get my order in before one of the 
UK dealers asks for exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up 
having to pay twice the price.

Julian, G4ILO (K2 #392)

wayne burdick wrote:

We've spent an entire week answering questions, resulting in a very 
well-stocked K3 FAQ, at:

   http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm


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RE: [Elecraft] Expect delays in our responses to K3 questions forawhile

2007-05-06 Thread Greg

Hi Julian,

Please see replies below.

Thanks and 73,
Greg
AB7R



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forawhile


A couple of questions I didn't see answered there (perhaps I missed them)
are:

- what type are the antenna connectors (look like SO239's in the rear view
on the data sheet)

ANT1 and ANT2 are both SO239 connectors.

- what protocol does the radio's RS-232 control use? (I'm guessing it will
have a lot of unique commands, but if it can be used with something like
the Kenwood protocol, like the K2, that will be a big help until the
various CAT programs add full K3 support.)

The K2 commands will work with the K3, but the K3 will have a huge set of
additional commands that will be able to control all the functions of the
radio as well as remote control features.

I'm also intrigued by the idea of computerless datamodes operation using a
small external keyboard instead of a CW paddle. Will that be a future
kit?

There is a connector on the bottom of the K3.  Use of a small keyboard is
planned for the firmware but may not be ready for initial shipments.  After
initial shipments are processed expect firmware updates at a rapid pace as
user suggestions are evaluated and implemented as appropriate.

I'm totally gobsmacked by the K3. I never imagined that the K3 people have
fantasized over for years on this reflector would actually become a
reality, in kit form too, at such a reasonable price. The moment I saw
this, as when I first read about the K2 back in 1999, I knew this was one
radio I just had to have.

From this side of the Atlantic, at $2 / £1 exchange rate, it looks very
good value indeed. I'm hoping that the modular kit will qualify for import
duty exemtion as well. I have decided to get my order in before one of the
UK dealers asks for exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up
having to pay twice the price.

Julian, G4ILO (K2 #392)

wayne burdick wrote:

We've spent an entire week answering questions, resulting in a very
well-stocked K3 FAQ, at:

   http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm


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[Elecraft] K3 for me...

2007-05-06 Thread Deni, F5VJC

Hi Julian, well said!  My views exactly as another in EU with an early K2. Good 
to have it affirmed by you.

I too have been hoping and waiting for just this radio... it's a must have,  
and my order is in too!

73, Deni
F5VJC / GM3SKN

K21188

I'm totally gobsmacked by the K3. I never imagined that the K3 people have 
fantasized over for years on this reflector would actually become a 
reality, in kit form too, at such a reasonable price. The moment I saw 
this, as when I first read about the K2 back in 1999, I knew this was one 
radio I just had to have.


From this side of the Atlantic, at $2 / £1 exchange rate, it looks very 
good value indeed. I'm hoping that the modular kit will qualify for import 
duty exemtion as well. I have decided to get my order in before one of the 
UK dealers asks for exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up 
having to pay twice the price.


Julian, G4ILO (K2 #392)

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 frequency calibration

2007-05-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Lowell,

Adjusting C22 has no immediate effect.  You must do the entire procedure 
of CAL PLL and CAL FIL before any change will be observed.
See the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com for details and procedures.


Lowell wrote:

Adjusting C22 to clalibrate the K2 frequency had absolutely no effect when 
using WWV or a frequency counter as reference.  I replaced C22, no change.  
Continuity between C22 and U6 checks ok.  I suspicion a problem with U6.  Any 
comments?

73, Lowell, W5FH

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RE: [Elecraft] re: Improvements for the KX1

2007-05-06 Thread Dan Barker
Adobe is your friend.

I did a search for c181, and found the I.F.OUT you mention.

Searching for I.F.OUT, I find it goes through J6/P6 to the Control board,
and then to the AGC mixer(NE602).

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456

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On Saturday 05 May 2007 22:24:11 Joseph Trombino Jr wrote:

 Correct IanI didn't count the last two xtals since I believe these two
 xtals are used more for removing I.F. noise than for providing
 selectivityat least this is what has been mentioned in other receiver
 articles I have read.

Joe,

  The bandwidth of the two is affected by the same filter
bandwidth controlling voltage, V XFIL2, on an MV209 diode.
I wonder how it varies with the bandwidth of the five using
1SV149 diodes.
  I see also that there is a mysterious (to me, I don't see
where it goes) IF out via C181 that is indeed after only the
first five crystals.

73
Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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[Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Thom LaCosta
I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't seem to 
find it on the FaQ page.  Does anyone know if it's an internal option, or an 
external adapter?


I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to give me a 
serial port.


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[Elecraft] AGC Pumping - NOT an issue in Orion or K3(?)

2007-05-06 Thread Bill Tippett

Regarding comments by W3FPR and N6KR below.  I've been
thinking about this and wondering why I have never heard this
in my Orion in nearly 4 years.  I've operated in many contests,
including the CQ 160 CW every year with only an Inrad #762
4-pole 600 Hz roofing filter.  This environment is far worse
than virtually any other situation you are likely to encounter,
typically with S9+++ signals spaced every 500 Hz.  I have
*never* heard classical AGC pumping, which sounds like the
noise floor is being modulating up and down in a normal rig.

From an RF front-end standpoint, the K3 is a virtual clone
of Orion.  Both are down-conversion (8.2 MHz first IF versus 9.0
MHz) followed by narrow roofing filters.  Both DSP stages (2nd IF
in K3 and 3rd IF in Orion) are protected from over-driving by an
analog AGC which activates at approximately S9+30 (not sure of the
exact point for K3).  This prevents the DSP stage from going into
fibrillation (over-driving) which sounds like machine gun fire
beside your ears...nothing like classical analog AGC pumping.

Assuming signals entering the DSP are not over-driving it
(i.e. less than S9+30 dB or -43 dBm using the classical definition
of S9 = -73 dBm = 50 uV), the DSP creates a filter around the
signal of interest.  According to Doug Smith (original architect
of Ten-Tec Orion), the DSP stage has approximately 100 dB of dynamic
range (reference below).

As the resolution and speed of ADC hardware improve, digital radio 
receivers become less dependent on analog AGC to meet dynamic-range 
requirements. State-of-the-art 24-bit IF-DSP converters, such as 
those used in the Ten-Tec Orion, produce about 100 dB of dynamic 
range. That means a receiver can handle signals from the noise floor 
to almost 40 dB over S9 without analog AGC. Above that level, analog 
AGC is still necessary to maintain the linearity of analog circuits 
and to prevent overload in the ADC hardware.


http://www.doug-smith.net/dspdynamics.htm

Assuming I have a very strong interfering signal (less
than S9+30 which is controlled by the analog AGC limit), the DSP
filter should be able to eliminate it without any AGC pumping.
I repeat from Doug Smith above:

That means a receiver can handle signals from the noise floor to 
almost 40 dB over S9 without analog AGC.


Assuming S9+29dB = -42 dBm, subtracting 100 dB for the dynamic
range of the DSP, the result is -142 dBm, which is well below
the noise floor.  To me this explains why I have *never* heard
AGC pumping in Orion...hopefully K3 is the same!

73,  Bill  W4ZV

W3FPR:
AGC pumping is the problem I notice most with data modes - the 
roofing filter must keep out of passband signals at a sufficiently 
low level to allow copy of a weak desired signal.


Also my opinion on filters used for data modes is that they would 
ideally have good group delay characteristics, and to me that is more 
important than steep skirts or a flat passband. (steep skirted 
filters with very flat passbands usually exhibit poor group delay 
characteristics). Low group delay also means more pleasant sounding CW.


Steep skirts are not really needed with a roofing filter because the 
DSP can create the desired skirt selectivity. Again the roofing 
filter must only be narrow enough to keep strong offending signals 
out of the 1st IF passband (or sufficiently reduced to keep the AGC 
pumping problem at bay). Perhaps a Gaussian to 6dB filter would act 
as a better roofing filter than a steep skirted filter - but I have 
not done any measurements - just thinking out loud.



73,
Don W3FPR


wayne burdick wrote:
Let's suppose the only crystal roofing filter you have installed is 
2.8 kHz wide. You put the rig into CW (or data) mode, then dial the 
DSP bandwidth down to 400 Hz. Everything will be fine -- unless an 
extremely strong signal appears that's *outside* the DSP's passband 
but still *inside* the crystal filter passband.


This can cause what's called pumping, meaning activation of the AGC 
or desensing. Many transceivers with I.F. DSP don't have the ability 
to do anything about this, so they get trashed on receive. Such 
transceivers typically have only a 3 kHz (or wider) roofing filter, 
allowing strong signals to cause trouble.


The K3 has roofing filter bandwidths as low as 200 Hz, giving you a 
means to completely eliminating problems with nearby signals. If 
installed, these will be automatically selected as you narrow the 
DSP's bandwidth using the shift/width/hicut/locut controls. Or you 
can select them manually.



We'll add this to the FAQ.



73,

Wayne

N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Ken Wagner

Hi Thom:
I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this 
device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin 
connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and your 
USB port on your computer.

73, Ken K3IU

Thom LaCosta wrote:
I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't 
seem to find it on the FaQ page.  Does anyone know if it's an internal 
option, or an external adapter?


I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to 
give me a serial port.


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Re: [Elecraft] Expect delays in our responses to K3 questions for awhile

2007-05-06 Thread Dave G4AON

In reply to:

A couple of questions I didn't see answered there (perhaps I missed them) 
are: SNIP


While the antenna sockets are SO239, I hope they offer N types as an option. It 
would be nice for Elecraft to lead the field instead of being one of the 
followers.
After all, HP and Rohde  Schwarz don't use SO239 connectors on their kit, why 
should Elecraft?

If any of the UK dealers do wake up to Elecraft, I too hope we can still order 
direct. It's hard to beat Elecraft for service.

Dave, G4AON
K1, K2 and soon K3/100



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[Elecraft] Elecraft UK Distribution. No Thank You!

2007-05-06 Thread Rowland

Julian G4ILO wrote

I have decided to get my order in before one of the 
UK dealers asks for exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up 
having to pay twice the price.


I certainly hope not Julian. That must have been a bad dream about the K3 you 
had last night!
That in my opinion would be a retrograde step for Elecraft.
My experiences with dealers and distributors in the UK have not been good in 
the main part.
It would put me off purchasing. I would rather deal direct any time. 
Elecraft seem to have it right for me with what they are doing at present. PLEASE DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD

I have no experience of the German appointed distributor however.
I hope you have sweeter dreams tonight Julian.
73 to all on the list.

Rowland
G4APO K2/236, K1  KX1




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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Ken Wagner

I found reference to this in FAQ under Computer Interfacing topic.
73,
Ken K3IU

Ken Wagner wrote:

Hi Thom:
I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this 
device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin 
connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and 
your USB port on your computer.

73, Ken K3IU

Thom LaCosta wrote:
I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't 
seem to find it on the FaQ page.  Does anyone know if it's an 
internal option, or an external adapter?


I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to 
give me a serial port.


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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Martin AA6E
There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a 
Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.)  So, I wonder 
why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product.  (Or it could be 
someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive.


73 Martin AA6E

Ken Wagner wrote:

Hi Thom:
I've seen nothing definitive on this but I'm pretty sure that this 
device is one that plugs the 9 pin end of the adapter into the 9 pin 
connector on the K3 and you use a USB cable between the adapter and your 
USB port on your computer.

73, Ken K3IU

Thom LaCosta wrote:
I see a KUSB option for the K3, Universal Serial Bus Adpatercan't 
seem to find it on the FaQ page.  Does anyone know if it's an internal 
option, or an external adapter?


I have a serial port-less computer and no luck finding adapters to 
give me a serial port.


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Noise Blanker performance

2007-05-06 Thread drewko1
I just installed one in my K2. I tested it by turning on a light
dimmer switch on the other side of the house which generates an S5
noise level on 80m. The K2NB totally eliminated it. 

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 03 May 2007 04:02:42 +, you wrote:

I finished K2 #5665 a few weeks ago and have read the
discussions about how well the K2NB does or doesn't work.  

I'm in an RV on a bluff on the Oregon Coast and we've just 
had a thunder storm (with hail) pass over.  The tip of the 
screwdriver antenna's whip produced a few minutes of  strong 
precipitation static, similar to ignition noise that the noise blanker 
TOTALLY eleminated.  

It was a good test for the K2's NB ... for this kind of noise, at 
least ... and it worked GREAT!

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
K2 #5665 - K3#_
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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Martin,

Yes, there are a lot of USB adapters on the market at a wide variety of 
prices, but it seems not all are equal.  Review the number of questions 
related to 'will adapter XXX work with YYY'.  With the offering by 
Elecraft, there can be no doubt that it will work with the Elecraft K3.


Will other adapters work?  Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the 
Elecraft adapter - no guessing.


73,
Don W3FPR

Martin AA6E wrote:
There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a 
Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.)  So, I wonder 
why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product.  (Or it could be 
someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 frequency calibration

2007-05-06 Thread drewko1
Is the freq counter probe assembly available from Elecraft? I bought a
constructed K2 that doesn't have one included. I'm hoping I won't have
to lookup and order the crimp pins, housing and rg174 coax from
Mouser, etc. in order to make one up.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Sat, 05 May 2007 21:24:46 -0700,  Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Lowell wrote:
 Adjusting C22 to clalibrate the K2 frequency had absolutely no effect
 when using WWV or a frequency counter as reference.  I replaced C22,
 no change.  Continuity between C22 and U6 checks ok.  I suspicion a
 problem with U6.  Any comments?

C22 only has an effect when you run CAL PLL. See the procedure at 
http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2%20C22%20Adjust%20App%20Note.pdf for 
the best way to calibrate the reference oscillator.

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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Sun, 6 May 2007, Ken Wagner wrote:


I found reference to this in FAQ under Computer Interfacing topic.


Thanksit's the most obvious place to look, but I relied on the web site's 
search engine.


Thom
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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Sun, 6 May 2007, Martin AA6E wrote:

There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a Keyspan 
unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.)  So, I wonder why Elecraft 
needs to offer its own unique product.  (Or it could be someone else's 
product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive.


I have a keyspan...it looks like it works on windows...sorta, kinda, but it 
doesn't.


But, it could be a Dell hardware issue, not a wondows issue.

Hope the Elecraft one works with my systemI'd hate to have to buy an old 
laptop simply to have a serial port (g).


Thom

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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Sun, 6 May 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote:



Will other adapters work?  Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the 
Elecraft adapter - no guessing.


Since you do knowwhat operating systems were used to test the adapter?

The converters get me connfusedseems like there could be hardware issues,
firmware issues, OS issuesor some nasty combination thereof.

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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
I think Elecraft are making the correct decision by supplying a Serial=USB 
converter which is known to work. Being involved with the software side of 
the things it's problems with the Serial=USB which cause the most grief.


Known hardware doesn't always work - even if it has Elecraft stamped on its 
breast. Other factors such as an inadequate USB port come into play, however 
this is something which is easy to test and document:


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED]


There are many Serial - USB devices on the general market. (I use a 
Keyspan unit on my Orion, and it works nicely with Linux.)  So, I wonder 
why Elecraft needs to offer its own unique product.  (Or it could be 
someone else's product rebranded?) At least their price is competitive.


I have a keyspan...it looks like it works on windows...sorta, kinda, but 
it doesn't.



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RE: [Elecraft] K3 external Keyboard

2007-05-06 Thread NZ8J
I think I read somewhere that there is a connector on the bottom of the
K3 that may be used in the future for the keyboard.
Tim
NZ8J

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 external Keyboard


Hello All,

I'm thinking about making the plunge and getting on
the list for the K3. 

I have a Micro908 that I might be selling to add to my
funds for the purchase (yes, I will consider offers). 
I bought the optional keyboard that came with the 908
when I bought the kit...but a use for it never
materialized.

It is nice little keyboard and when I heard that the
K3 could do digital modes and decode without a
computer, I thought...well maybe I finally have a use
for my little keyboard.  

Alas, I don't see how an external keyboard connects to
the K3 by looking at the pics of the back end.  Can
you connect a keyboard to the K3 without an external
computer being involved?

Thanks,

Kurt - ae6uj


 


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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Tom Hammond

Don Wilhelm wrote, regarding USB to Serial Adapters:

Yes, there are a lot of USB adapters on the market at a wide variety 
of prices, but it seems not all are equal.  Review the number of 
questions related to 'will adapter XXX work with YYY'.  With the 
offering by Elecraft, there can be no doubt that it will work with 
the Elecraft K3.


Will other adapters work?  Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for 
the Elecraft adapter - no guessing.


I have a Tripp-Lite U-209-000-R adapter which WORKS GREAT.. BUT... it 
does NOT want to be peroperly detected, and drivers auto-loaded, if 
it's plugged into the USB port when the PC is booted up! If it's left 
plugged in when the PCs booted, the OS (WinXP Pro in my case) wants 
to re-install the drivers EVERY TIME!


If I UNplug the adapter, boot the PC, and THEN plug the adapter in, 
WinXP finds and installed it with no complaints.


I'm posting this as a word of caution to those who might be 
considering a Tripp-Lite adapter.


I'm not certain if this is a problem unique to WinXP or not. It seems 
to be a problem with regard to 'order of installation' of the device 
drivers, with the adapter drivers not being installed in time for the 
adapter to have been detected... OR with them being installed too 
early to have been of use.


73,

Tom   N0SS




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RE: [Elecraft] Expect delays in our responses to K3 questions forawhile

2007-05-06 Thread Greg
Dave,

I don't believe there are any plans to offer N type connectors as an option.
This would be a hardware production issue rather than an option.  I'm
copying this to Wayne and he'll look at it when he can but he's VERY busy
getting things ready for Dayton.

Thanks and 73
Greg
AB7R




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forawhile


In reply to:

A couple of questions I didn't see answered there (perhaps I missed them)
are: SNIP

While the antenna sockets are SO239, I hope they offer N types as an option.
It would be nice for Elecraft to lead the field instead of being one of the
followers.
After all, HP and Rohde  Schwarz don't use SO239 connectors on their kit,
why should Elecraft?

If any of the UK dealers do wake up to Elecraft, I too hope we can still
order direct. It's hard to beat Elecraft for service.

Dave, G4AON
K1, K2 and soon K3/100



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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Interestingly, this this of problem is created for Windows.  There are a 
limited number of USB/RS232 converter chip types in the world, all 
supportable by a small number of drivers.  Each seller, though, gets to 
set an id in the chiop, which tells the OS what driver to load.  The 
RS232/serial bump-in-the-cord devices could all get by with the same 
driver for the same chip if this number weren't changed.


So, why does this number exist?  Partly yo allow manufacturers of 
hardware to make it look like there's something special about their 
devices by adding features in the driver, but mainly to accomodate 
automatic detection of devices that directly incorporate these chips and 
offer some other functionality (I.e. other than the generic 
converters).  Devices such as cameras generally have their own protocols 
and don't use the generic serial chips, but there are indeed some 
devices out there that use this ID to make a useful driver load.
The price we have to pay on Windows is getting a new driver for each 
one, and suffering from needlessly buggy copies of the code as Tom has 
reported.


If the K3 had its own internal chip with its own ID, there would be an 
opportunity to have Windows auto-launch an application (Ham Radio 
Deluxe? N1MM Logger?) whenever it detected the special K3 ID.  There 
isn't much advantage to this, and it would require, because of the way 
Windows works, a special driver.


On Linux, the RS232 coverter generic drivers work fine for the 
USB-Serial devices, but you don't get the automatic application launch 
that you can get with Windows, although it is possible to configure it 
for some the special devices.   The problems with them come mostly in 
the cases where they really are closer TTL instead of RS232 and the 
keying circuit depends on the negative swing, or the supply isn't stiff 
enough	to meet the signalling device needs (both problems on Windows as 
well).


Of course, Linux suffers as well from the need to have unique driver (or 
more likely application) support for devices that directly incorporate 
these chips and offer some functionality other than just serial 
conversion.


73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Sun, 6 May 2007 8:51 am, Tom Hammond wrote:
Don Wilhelm wrote, regarding USB to Serial  If it's left plugged in 
when the PCs booted, the OS (WinXP Pro in my case) wants to re-install 
the drivers EVERY TIME!

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[Elecraft] K2 thanks

2007-05-06 Thread Nick Henwood
Just to say thanks for much advice and great support from Elecraft - finished 
my K2/100 today (#5942)
and all seems OK (although I discovered the importance of the foam strip 
between the speaker 
and KDSP2 the hard way - what a strange fault!)
Now need to find out how to use it
73, Nick G3RWF.
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 frequency calibration

2007-05-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Drew,

Yes, it is K2FCTR and is priced at $10.  Om the Elecraft website, click 
order and scroll down to 'Spare Parts and Mod Kits' (or something like 
that) - it will lead you to it.  Or, you can make a phone call to order it.


73,
Don W3FPR



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is the freq counter probe assembly available from Elecraft? I bought a
constructed K2 that doesn't have one included. I'm hoping I won't have
to lookup and order the crimp pins, housing and rg174 coax from
Mouser, etc. in order to make one up.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Sat, 05 May 2007 21:24:46 -0700,  Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


Lowell wrote:

Adjusting C22 to clalibrate the K2 frequency had absolutely no effect
when using WWV or a frequency counter as reference.  I replaced C22,
no change.  Continuity between C22 and U6 checks ok.  I suspicion a
problem with U6.  Any comments?
C22 only has an effect when you run CAL PLL. See the procedure at 
http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2%20C22%20Adjust%20App%20Note.pdf for 
the best way to calibrate the reference oscillator.


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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB for K3

2007-05-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Thom,

I guess I should have said *WILL* know - I don't know the answer yet, 
but I have faith that the answer will be available.


73,
Don W3FPR

Thom LaCosta wrote:

On Sun, 6 May 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote:



Will other adapters work?  Maybe, but we *DO* know the answer for the 
Elecraft adapter - no guessing.


Since you do knowwhat operating systems were used to test the adapter?

The converters get me connfusedseems like there could be hardware 
issues,

firmware issues, OS issuesor some nasty combination thereof.


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[Elecraft] Elecraft UK Distribution. No Thank You!

2007-05-06 Thread m1bnw

I agree with the comments here.
If we ever end up with Elecraft selling only through UK dealers we would end 
up paying  £1 for every $1 of original price.

That would end it for me.
Regards Colin
m1bnw

- Original Message - 
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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft UK Distribution. No Thank You!


Julian G4ILO wrote

I have decided to get my order in before one of the
UK dealers asks for exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up
having to pay twice the price.
I certainly hope not Julian. That must have been a bad dream about the K3 
you had last night!

That in my opinion would be a retrograde step for Elecraft.
My experiences with dealers and distributors in the UK have not been good in 
the main part.

It would put me off purchasing. I would rather deal direct any time.
Elecraft seem to have it right for me with what they are doing at present. 
PLEASE DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD

I have no experience of the German appointed distributor however.#
I hope you have sweeter dreams tonight Julian.
73 to all on the list.

Rowland
G4APO K2/236, K1  KX1



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UK Distribution. No Thank You!

2007-05-06 Thread Peter Howson

I completely agree.

If it aint broke - don't fix it.

Peter
GM8GAX
K2 #4027





Julian G4ILO wrote

I have decided to get my order in before one of the UK dealers asks for 
exclusive UK distribution rights and we all end up having to pay twice the 
price.


I certainly hope not Julian. That must have been a bad dream about the K3 
you had last night!

That in my opinion would be a retrograde step for Elecraft.
My experiences with dealers and distributors in the UK have not been good 
in the main part.
It would put me off purchasing. I would rather deal direct any time. 
Elecraft seem to have it right for me with what they are doing at present. 
PLEASE DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD

I have no experience of the German appointed distributor however.
I hope you have sweeter dreams tonight Julian.
73 to all on the list.

Rowland
G4APO K2/236, K1  KX1




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[Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432 packaging

2007-05-06 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Hi all,
I'm been mulling this over (mostly while riding my bicycle).

It looks to me as if the IF freguency for the XV144 or the XV432 can
be changed pretty easily.  If this is done, then full-duplex using the
K3 would become a bit easier.

If the firmware for the K3 would allow transverter operation on 28
through 32MHz and some other reasonable IF (22-24 MHz?(I have no idea
what would really be right)), then we could use the K3 for full-duplex
satellite operation.

And if a repackaging job could be done to combine these two units in a
single package, then a lot of external cabling might be disposed of,
and it might be made to match the K3.

73, doug
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[Elecraft] K1

2007-05-06 Thread Michael B

K1 sn 2343 is running. I still have to learn code though.

--
W2CVZ,
Michael
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: KX1 improvements

2007-05-06 Thread Fred Jensen

John Harper wrote:


John, I wasn't happy with the compromise between having internal 
batteries or having a decent RF output. 6 internal AA cells provide 
*significantly* less than half the power the KX1 is capable of but I 
liked not having to carry an external battery pack, so I installed two 
rechargeable LiPo batteries in a 2nd bottom case that I ordered from 
Elecraft.


Now I have more than double the power out with no increase in weight, no 
decrease in operating time and I still have an integrated package.


FWIW:  I used an LiPo battery I got from the local RC Model shop, and it 
lasted about 6 months before the terminal voltage went to zero and it 
began to swell.  I figured it was just a fluke, and I got another.  It 
resulted in a moderately bad experience [bad, as in, it caught fire 
while I had it plugged into my KX1].  I am glad it wasn't inside the 
radio.  The good news is that I was able to grab the power plug and 
fling it out onto the gravel driveway.  The bad news is that the 
driveway was wet.  Made for an interesting display to be watched from a 
distance.


They were a bit pricey.  I've now decided not to power my radios with 
lithium-anything.  YMMV


73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
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[Elecraft] AGC, Dynamic Range, 200 Hz Roofing Filters, etc

2007-05-06 Thread Bill Tippett

From my previous post:

As the resolution and speed of ADC hardware improve, digital radio 
receivers become less dependent on analog AGC to meet dynamic-range 
requirements. State-of-the-art 24-bit IF-DSP converters, such as 
those used in the Ten-Tec Orion, produce about 100 dB of dynamic 
range. That means a receiver can handle signals from the noise floor 
to almost 40 dB over S9 without analog AGC. Above that level, analog 
AGC is still necessary to maintain the linearity of analog circuits 
and to prevent overload in the ADC hardware.


http://www.doug-smith.net/dspdynamics.htm

Is 100 dB AGC dynamic range enough?  Generally yes, even
though this range can be extended to 140 dB if very strong signals
activate the Analog AGC protection ahead of the DSP's Digital AGC.
Here are some real-world measurements on 160m by W8JI:

http://www.w8ji.com/receiving.htm

The strongest signal measured was -32 dBm above the noise floor
of -127 dBm, which resulted in a needed dynamic range of 95 dB,
well within the capability of the ~100 dB Digital AGC dynamic
range inside the DSP (without any need for Analog AGC protection,
assuming the operator properly positioned the lower limit of the
receiver using attenuation).

Why might the actual range needed in a contest be less?  Because
the above quiet band noise floor of -127 dBm will be significantly
raised by key clicks and transmitted phase noise from many less than
perfect signals.  This is why it becomes somewhat academic to pursue
extremely high IMD performance at very close spacings using roofing
filters much less than about 500 Hz bandwidth.

At spacings 500 Hz, the noise floor rises dramatically due to
transmitted phase noise and key clicks.  Let's assume a 200 Hz
roofing filter gives you 95 dB IMD performance at 200 Hz signal
spacings.  This would put an interfering signal well outside the
+/- 100 Hz pass band of a 200 Hz roofing filter.  Even for the cleanest
rig available today (Orion) in terms of keyed CW waveform and phase
noise, transmitted noise will be in the ballpark of only 30-40 dB
down at 200 Hz from the carrier (an optimistic assumption).  Thus
the 95 dB you thought you bought with your 200 Hz roofing filter is
totally obliterated by the adjacent transmitted signal, and you can
do *absolutely nothing* in your receiver to eliminate it.  The SDR-X
may hold some future promise of help but Orion or K3 cannot.

It may make some feel good to buy such filters, but in the real
world of imperfect transmitted signals, it really doesn't do us much
good as far as improving the dynamic range we'll actually experience.
Using steady-stage (unkeyed) crystal oscillators (with exceptional
phase noise) in a laboratory setting to get exceptional IMD results
may make us feel good, but in the real world of transmitter key clicks
and synthesizer phase noise it actually makes little if any difference.

Of course I realize some will still buy such filters, but
quite frankly it reminds me of audiophile or Citizens Band arguments
for things like gold-plated speaker wire and microphones.  :-)

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  My guess for the K3's dynamic range specs are:

BDR at 2 kHz - 143 dB (Wayne already gave us the answer!)
IMD at 2 kHz - 95 dB (equal to Orion - possibly a little better)
Digital AGC - 100 dB (similar to Orion if both use 24-bit ADCs)


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RE: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432 packaging

2007-05-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Doug:

You're thinking what I've been thinking as well. A fascinating possibility !

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:59 PM
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Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432
packaging

Hi all,
I'm been mulling this over (mostly while riding my bicycle).

It looks to me as if the IF freguency for the XV144 or the XV432 can
be changed pretty easily.  If this is done, then full-duplex using the
K3 would become a bit easier.

If the firmware for the K3 would allow transverter operation on 28
through 32MHz and some other reasonable IF (22-24 MHz?(I have no idea
what would really be right)), then we could use the K3 for full-duplex
satellite operation.

And if a repackaging job could be done to combine these two units in a
single package, then a lot of external cabling might be disposed of,
and it might be made to match the K3.

73, doug
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432 packaging

2007-05-06 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
The firmware is the only mandatory thing from Elecraft, I think.

I suspect that a tranverter can be modified by the users (preferably
with test equipment to verify good performance).

And the matching case is gravy, and probably could also be done by the
users.

73, doug

   From: James C. Hall, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:25:22 -0500
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   Doug:

   You're thinking what I've been thinking as well. A fascinating possibility !

   73, Jamie
   WB4YDL

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   Subject: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432
   packaging

   Hi all,
   I'm been mulling this over (mostly while riding my bicycle).

   It looks to me as if the IF freguency for the XV144 or the XV432 can
   be changed pretty easily.  If this is done, then full-duplex using the
   K3 would become a bit easier.

   If the firmware for the K3 would allow transverter operation on 28
   through 32MHz and some other reasonable IF (22-24 MHz?(I have no idea
   what would really be right)), then we could use the K3 for full-duplex
   satellite operation.

   And if a repackaging job could be done to combine these two units in a
   single package, then a lot of external cabling might be disposed of,
   and it might be made to match the K3.

   73, doug
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RE: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432 packaging

2007-05-06 Thread Dave G4AON
How about a K4 using modules for each VHF/UHF band, each plug in with 
their own antenna socket. If they plugged into a mainframe based on 
the dual receive of the K3, you could have a self contained 
satellite/contest rig. Up to 100 Watts would be useful on at least 2m, 
perhaps conceding less power on the higher bands. I already have an Icom 
IC-910HX, that is quite an old design and not a very exciting receive 
specification... Something to base the K4 on though!


73 Dave, G4AON
K1, K2 and K3 on order
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, full duplex satellite operation, XV-144/432 packaging

2007-05-06 Thread Michael B

Maybe even 1.2 Ghz for the satillites that have Microwave on them.



--
W2CVZ,
Michael
K1#2343
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[Elecraft] K3 subreceiver questions

2007-05-06 Thread adamkern
1) Can the sub-RX receive off the same antenna as the main RX
at the same time?

2) Can the main-RX and sub-RX be used in any combination of
antenna inputs, including ANT1, ANT2 and RX ANT IN?

3) Can the sub-RX provide unbroken audio using any antenna
input while the K3 is transmitting?

4) Can the DVR audio recording function be slaved to the sub-RX?

5) How long is the recording buffer in the DVR for incoming
and outgoing audio?

6) If the transverter option is not installed, the K3 can use
ANT2 as a de facto RX ANT IN, right?

TNX, Adam N1KO
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[Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread N2TK, Tony
I finally am going to get on the digital modes. Never did any of the digital
stuff before so I am asking advice from you digital mavens. At Dayton I
would like to pick up the hardware I need. 
I have my K3 on order. For now I would be using my K2. 

Figured I would look especially at the Microham and Navigator offerings. I
like the idea that I wouldn't need to use an audio card in the PC. 
I have a RIGblaster that has never been out of the box. Maybe that works
fine for digital modes? Do I need more than this? What does more than this
buy me?

What advice can you give me as to what to look for, what to recommend for
hardware to use on my K2 and forthcoming K3 so that it would be easy to
switch from CW, SSB and any of the popular digital modes?

Tnx for your advice.

N2TK, Tony

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[Elecraft] New Remote Mic Header Aftermarket K2 Accessory

2007-05-06 Thread Gary Hvizdak
We have designed another Rework Eliminator(TM) K2 accessory.  Our latest
offering is a K2 Remote Mic Header assembly.  It consists of two tiny
four-layer PCBs which fit between the K2's Front Panel and Control circuit
boards.  As with our un-module header kit, this new product also eliminates
the need for substantial disassembly of the K2 enclosure.  Once it's
installed reconfiguring your K2 for any of the microphone wiring standards
described in the KSB2 manual can be accomplished in a few seconds after
removing the K2's left side panel.

For technical details including a User's Guide, preliminary assembly and
installation instructions, and some 1,000 DPI CAD renderings, please see
http://www.unpcbs.com/micpcb/.  (The User's Guide includes a growing list of
Frequently Asked Questions.)

We've not yet determined the cost to produce this kit so we can only guess
as to what the retail price will be.  In addition, volume will be a
contributing factor affecting the price since there are fixed costs
associated with PCB production.

Presently we just need to know if there's a sufficient demand for this
accessory to warrant producing it.  If you are interested, please indicate
so by voting in our latest unpcbs Yahoo Group poll at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unpcbs/.  (You will need to join the group to
register your vote.)

This is still very much a work in progress so we welcome your comments,
suggestions, and criticisms.  Thank you for your interest.  We will keep you
posted in the coming weeks as to the fate of this product.

73,
Ken, WB2ART, K2 #769  #5048
Gary, KI4GGX, K2 #4067

Rework Eliminator, Rework Eliminators, and unpcbs are trademarks of Ken
Kaplan and Gary Hvizdak.
Copyright 2007 by Ken Kaplan WB2ART and Gary Hvizdak KI4GGX, all rights
reserved.

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Re: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tony,

As I understand the K3 you won't even need the RigBlaster, it can 
connect directly to the computer (only cables and plugs needed) - even 
does RTTY/PSK31 without the computer at all if you want.


For the K2, you should provide some isolation between the computer and 
the K2 - transformers in the audio-out and mic-in do that job and a 
voltage divider is needed in the mic input because the soundcard output 
is much greater than the mic input level.  The RigBlaster should provide 
that isolation.
Then if you want automatic transmit/receive, you need a transistor 
keying switch to turn transmit on (PTT) from the digital computer 
application - easily accomplished with a simple transistor switch to 
drive the PTT line - Google on PSK31 and you will find a lot of 
information about how to hook things up.


Of course, your RigBlaster includes many of these things, so you may 
just want to unpack it.


If you want a fixed audio output level from the K2, I have a few boards 
left (no kits) - you can take a look at my website article about it at 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com


73,
Don W3FPR

N2TK, Tony wrote:

I finally am going to get on the digital modes. Never did any of the digital
stuff before so I am asking advice from you digital mavens. At Dayton I
would like to pick up the hardware I need. 
I have my K3 on order. For now I would be using my K2. 


Figured I would look especially at the Microham and Navigator offerings. I
like the idea that I wouldn't need to use an audio card in the PC. 
I have a RIGblaster that has never been out of the box. Maybe that works

fine for digital modes? Do I need more than this? What does more than this
buy me?

What advice can you give me as to what to look for, what to recommend for
hardware to use on my K2 and forthcoming K3 so that it would be easy to
switch from CW, SSB and any of the popular digital modes?

Tnx for your advice.

N2TK, Tony

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RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tnx Don for the feedback. I got one of those boards from you so I am set
with that. Well that will be neat that I don't have to buy any other
hardware for the K3 to operate Digital. So I would only need a program for
the PC?

And sounds like my Rigblaster will do what I need for the K2. Do I get any
advantages by upgrading to something like the Navigator or RigExpert for
either the K2 or K3 as an interface?

73,
N2TK, Tony


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:02 PM
To: N2TK, Tony
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tony,

As I understand the K3 you won't even need the RigBlaster, it can 
connect directly to the computer (only cables and plugs needed) - even 
does RTTY/PSK31 without the computer at all if you want.

For the K2, you should provide some isolation between the computer and 
the K2 - transformers in the audio-out and mic-in do that job and a 
voltage divider is needed in the mic input because the soundcard output 
is much greater than the mic input level.  The RigBlaster should provide 
that isolation.
Then if you want automatic transmit/receive, you need a transistor 
keying switch to turn transmit on (PTT) from the digital computer 
application - easily accomplished with a simple transistor switch to 
drive the PTT line - Google on PSK31 and you will find a lot of 
information about how to hook things up.

Of course, your RigBlaster includes many of these things, so you may 
just want to unpack it.

If you want a fixed audio output level from the K2, I have a few boards 
left (no kits) - you can take a look at my website article about it at 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com

73,
Don W3FPR

N2TK, Tony wrote:
 I finally am going to get on the digital modes. Never did any of the
digital
 stuff before so I am asking advice from you digital mavens. At Dayton I
 would like to pick up the hardware I need. 
 I have my K3 on order. For now I would be using my K2. 
 
 Figured I would look especially at the Microham and Navigator offerings. I
 like the idea that I wouldn't need to use an audio card in the PC. 
 I have a RIGblaster that has never been out of the box. Maybe that works
 fine for digital modes? Do I need more than this? What does more than this
 buy me?
 
 What advice can you give me as to what to look for, what to recommend for
 hardware to use on my K2 and forthcoming K3 so that it would be easy to
 switch from CW, SSB and any of the popular digital modes?
 
 Tnx for your advice.
 
 N2TK, Tony

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RE: [Elecraft] New Remote Mic Header Aftermarket K2 Accessory

2007-05-06 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Hi Bill,

Thanks for reply.  If you would join our unpcbs Yahoo group (as
described in my recent post) then you can register your interest there
using a voting poll.  It allows you to indicate how much you would be
willing to pay.  We need this information so that we can determine if
there’s sufficient demand.

Further, as a member of our Yahoo group, you'll receive all messages
posted to the group.  Don't worry about getting lots of mail though because
only Ken and I can post messages, and we typically only post a few times per
year.

73,
Gary, KI4GGX
K2 #4067


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (no subject)

I am interested in two of the rework eliminators for my two K2/100s if you
decide to produce them.
 
Bill - K2TT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread Fred N. van Kempen
Tony,

I'm using a RigExpert S/D with my K2/100.  Currently with just the
SPKR and MIC connections for audio (which is messy), and hopefully
using the MiniDIN on the BLQ interface as of sometime this week
(thanks Doug !) - just to make for simpler cabling.

The RE is nice, small, and USB-based.  That's good for laptops that
no longer have a (real) serial port.  It also implements its own
sound card, _and_ it presents a CAT serial port to the various
HAM programs.  Meaning:

- one cable between that box and the K2 for audio/ptt (MiniDIN, or
  the MIC/SPK setup)
- one cable between them for CAT (to the RS-232 port on the K2)

- one cable between the box and the PC (USB)

That is all.  I use it with HAM Radio Deluxe, MixW2 and EchoLink.

Cheers,

Fred PA4YBR/KA4YBR
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: maandag 7 mei 2007 1:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Elecraft'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tnx Don for the feedback. I got one of those boards from you so I am set
with that. Well that will be neat that I don't have to buy any other
hardware for the K3 to operate Digital. So I would only need a program
for the PC?

And sounds like my Rigblaster will do what I need for the K2. Do I get
any advantages by upgrading to something like the Navigator or RigExpert
for either the K2 or K3 as an interface?

73,
N2TK, Tony


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:02 PM
To: N2TK, Tony
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tony,

As I understand the K3 you won't even need the RigBlaster, it can
connect directly to the computer (only cables and plugs needed) - even
does RTTY/PSK31 without the computer at all if you want.

For the K2, you should provide some isolation between the computer and
the K2 - transformers in the audio-out and mic-in do that job and a
voltage divider is needed in the mic input because the soundcard output
is much greater than the mic input level.  The RigBlaster should provide
that isolation.
Then if you want automatic transmit/receive, you need a transistor
keying switch to turn transmit on (PTT) from the digital computer
application - easily accomplished with a simple transistor switch to
drive the PTT line - Google on PSK31 and you will find a lot of
information about how to hook things up.

Of course, your RigBlaster includes many of these things, so you may
just want to unpack it.

If you want a fixed audio output level from the K2, I have a few boards
left (no kits) - you can take a look at my website article about it at
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com

73,
Don W3FPR

N2TK, Tony wrote:
 I finally am going to get on the digital modes. Never did any of the
digital
 stuff before so I am asking advice from you digital mavens. At Dayton 
 I would like to pick up the hardware I need.
 I have my K3 on order. For now I would be using my K2. 
 
 Figured I would look especially at the Microham and Navigator 
 offerings. I like the idea that I wouldn't need to use an audio card
in the PC.
 I have a RIGblaster that has never been out of the box. Maybe that 
 works fine for digital modes? Do I need more than this? What does more

 than this buy me?
 
 What advice can you give me as to what to look for, what to recommend 
 for hardware to use on my K2 and forthcoming K3 so that it would be 
 easy to switch from CW, SSB and any of the popular digital modes?
 
 Tnx for your advice.
 
 N2TK, Tony

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RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tnx Fred for the feedback. Good info.
N2TK, Tony 

-Original Message-
From: Fred N. van Kempen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:25 PM
To: N2TK, Tony; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tony,

I'm using a RigExpert S/D with my K2/100.  Currently with just the
SPKR and MIC connections for audio (which is messy), and hopefully
using the MiniDIN on the BLQ interface as of sometime this week
(thanks Doug !) - just to make for simpler cabling.

The RE is nice, small, and USB-based.  That's good for laptops that
no longer have a (real) serial port.  It also implements its own
sound card, _and_ it presents a CAT serial port to the various
HAM programs.  Meaning:

- one cable between that box and the K2 for audio/ptt (MiniDIN, or
  the MIC/SPK setup)
- one cable between them for CAT (to the RS-232 port on the K2)

- one cable between the box and the PC (USB)

That is all.  I use it with HAM Radio Deluxe, MixW2 and EchoLink.

Cheers,

Fred PA4YBR/KA4YBR
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony
Sent: maandag 7 mei 2007 1:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Elecraft'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tnx Don for the feedback. I got one of those boards from you so I am set
with that. Well that will be neat that I don't have to buy any other
hardware for the K3 to operate Digital. So I would only need a program
for the PC?

And sounds like my Rigblaster will do what I need for the K2. Do I get
any advantages by upgrading to something like the Navigator or RigExpert
for either the K2 or K3 as an interface?

73,
N2TK, Tony


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:02 PM
To: N2TK, Tony
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

Tony,

As I understand the K3 you won't even need the RigBlaster, it can
connect directly to the computer (only cables and plugs needed) - even
does RTTY/PSK31 without the computer at all if you want.

For the K2, you should provide some isolation between the computer and
the K2 - transformers in the audio-out and mic-in do that job and a
voltage divider is needed in the mic input because the soundcard output
is much greater than the mic input level.  The RigBlaster should provide
that isolation.
Then if you want automatic transmit/receive, you need a transistor
keying switch to turn transmit on (PTT) from the digital computer
application - easily accomplished with a simple transistor switch to
drive the PTT line - Google on PSK31 and you will find a lot of
information about how to hook things up.

Of course, your RigBlaster includes many of these things, so you may
just want to unpack it.

If you want a fixed audio output level from the K2, I have a few boards
left (no kits) - you can take a look at my website article about it at
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com

73,
Don W3FPR

N2TK, Tony wrote:
 I finally am going to get on the digital modes. Never did any of the
digital
 stuff before so I am asking advice from you digital mavens. At Dayton 
 I would like to pick up the hardware I need.
 I have my K3 on order. For now I would be using my K2. 
 
 Figured I would look especially at the Microham and Navigator 
 offerings. I like the idea that I wouldn't need to use an audio card
in the PC.
 I have a RIGblaster that has never been out of the box. Maybe that 
 works fine for digital modes? Do I need more than this? What does more

 than this buy me?
 
 What advice can you give me as to what to look for, what to recommend 
 for hardware to use on my K2 and forthcoming K3 so that it would be 
 easy to switch from CW, SSB and any of the popular digital modes?
 
 Tnx for your advice.
 
 N2TK, Tony

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Re: [Elecraft] Digital advice sought for K2 and K3

2007-05-06 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
You might consider getting the RS232 K2IO interface and using it for 
keying, instead of using PTT. With the K2IO, you can use rig control via 
RS232 commands with many digimode programs, which can also use the RS232 
to bring frequency, modes, filters, etc. settings to your computer.  
Having an accurate frequency display (VFO +/- AF, depending on sideband) 
helps.

73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
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[Elecraft] K3 and linear amplifiers

2007-05-06 Thread JACrux
QSK requires that an outboard linear is somehow switched into transmit mode, 
preferably before RF arrives at its input socket. In the case of my TenTec 
Hercules II amp, a control signal is fed back to my Omni-V to tell it the 
linear is ready to receive RF drive. The Hercules uses a vacuum relay; there 
are fast and slow QSK options built into the Omni-V. Will the K3 accommodate 
this kind of interlocking ? 
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[Elecraft] Loaded K2 For Sale

2007-05-06 Thread Don Nesbitt
I've already ordered a K3 and now my excellent K2 needs a new home!  Sell:
K2/100/KAT100 - Includes:

K2 Serial number 2028
KPA100
KAT100
KSB2
K160Rx
KNB2
KDSP2
FDIMP
Nifty Mini-Manual
Also includes the original QRP Lid with a KIO2 installed.

All have the latest Firmware and include all applicable modifications to
current specifications.  All manuals and cables are included and all look
and operate the way they should.  The filters are aligned using Spectrogram.
You add power supply, keyer paddle and microphone (I'm keeping mine to use
on the K3).

Total current kit price, including Nifty Manual is $1780.25 (if my
arithmetic is correct!)

Offered on list for quick sale to new loving home at $1195.00 including
shipping and insurance in US.  Outside US will be considered but you will
have to pay packing, shipping, all duties, etc.  Yes, that price is
absolutely FIRM - NO TRADES - gotta pay for the K3 somehow!  US Postal
Service Money Orders only.  There is so much fraud in the convenience
store money order business that many of them here in Atlanta won't even
cash the ones they sell!  Very sad!

All questions cheerfully answered.  404.218.3595 Cellular (quickest way to
get me), 404.875.0746 Home (you will probably get the answering machine).
73 es gud dxing - Don N4HH K2/100/KAT100, KX1, K1, soon to be K3,etc!

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[Elecraft] Ethernet Interface for K3 (Was: KUSB for K3)

2007-05-06 Thread Brian Lloyd
Personally, I would dearly love to see Elecraft offer an Ethernet/IP  
interface for the K3. That would be sufficiently fast that we could  
not only send commands and get status, but we can also send/receive  
audio or other modulations as well. I would dearly love to see  
various digital modulation/demodulation modes built into the DSP;  
e.g. BPSK, QPSK, QAM, MSK, FSK, OFDM, baseband audio, etc. Let me  
send a UDP packet filled with bits to the K3 and have the DSP in the  
K3 modulate and transmit. Likewise I would like the received bits  
demodulated and dumped into a UDP packet to be sent wherever I want  
those bits. This would turn the K3 into a full-on SDR (within the  
bandwidth limits of the low-IF which is determined by the sampling  
rate of the A:D/D:A).


This approach means I can have multiple computers interacting with  
the K3.  Maybe I want the main receiver data going to one computer,  
the second receiver data going to a second computer, the transmit  
data coming from a third computer, and a fourth computer controlling  
it all. Or I could have one computer controlling multiple K3's. It  
also means that the data on the wire is the standard which makes it  
easy for people to write software for different platforms, e.g.  
Windows, Mac, Linux, Java, etc.


And it is time to start thinking of everything as data. Even audio is  
data since it is just bits inside the DSP.


73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com

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[Elecraft] KX1 improvements...thanks!

2007-05-06 Thread John Shadle
Thanks to all of those who wrote to express their opinions on this topic 
both on- and off-list. They were very helpful and provided an 
interesting discussion, especially about batteries and power provision.


Also, thanks to the one member of this list who is selling me his 
unbuilt KX1 kit and accessories. Can't wait to get it this week!


Take care.
-john W4PAH


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[Elecraft] Ultimatic keying in KX1/K1?

2007-05-06 Thread n2htt
I hope I'm not reviving an old discussion here, but I searched the reflector 
archives and didn't find too much on the subject

I have discovered that Ultimatic style keying is a lot easier for me and I send 
a lot better using it rather than iambic A/B.  Is there any room in the KX1 or 
K1 roms for adding this mode in some future release?

(Not asking about K2 'cause I don't own one... yet.  K3 seems like more radio 
than I need, but awesome nevertheless.)

Thanks,
Mike N2HTT
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 frequency calibration

2007-05-06 Thread drewko1
RC,

You are correct. I do have the freq counter probe. 

It is the RF probe that I need, if you have it. Otherwise, I can get
one from Elecraft.

BTW, this rig works great just as you built it! I didn't have the fun
of putting it together but I do enjoy going through the manual and
fiddling with alignment. I never could leave well-enough alone.

And thanks to all who replied about this.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Sun, 06 May 2007 07:24:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

Drew
Do you mean the RF probe the freq counter probe is in the K2 and is left 
connected if I remember correctly
RC kc5wa

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the freq counter probe assembly available from 
Elecraft? I bought a
constructed K2 that doesn't have one included. I'm hoping I won't have
to lookup and order the crimp pins, housing and rg174 coax from
Mouser, etc. in order to make one up.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for May 6th 7th, 2007

2007-05-06 Thread Kevin Rock

Good Evening,
   Well that was fun!  20 meters was much nicer than 40 this evening.  40  
m had a great deal of static along with a flutter on some or a slowly  
rolling QSB on others.  After Tom passed the net back to me the band had  
simply shut off so I was unable to attract another caller.  But, between  
the two of us we collected a goodly number of you.  I know I missed a few  
on 40 because of conditions but I tried to drag you through.  There was  
one which Tom copied as a W1 and I copied a CJV.  I am digging but am not  
able to construct the entire callsign.  Hopefully next week you will check  
in again and one or both of us can copy you better.


On to the lists =

   On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
N0SS - Tom - MO - K2 - 008
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798QNI #75!!!
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
K4GT - Jim - GA - K2 - 2015
N9IV - Russ - IN - KX1 - 742
K3OOL - Craig - PA - K2 - 4790
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K2 - 4398
WD9HBC - Jim - MA - K2 - 5757
VE9AAG - Ernie - NB - ?
NK6A - Don - CA - K1 - 844
KI6WX - John - CA - K2 - 1083QNI #5!
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
AB9V - Mike - IN - K2 - 3993

   On 7045 kHz at 0200z:
N0SS - Tom - MO - K2 - 008
W1BPJ - Terry - CO - K1 - 1800   QNI #10!
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
KC0VKN - Joe - IA - K2 - 4912
KI6WX - John - CA - K2 - 1083
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
K1THP - Dave - CT - KX1 - ?? New rig??
WA4MQW - Bob - NC - KX1 - 1466
N7KRT - Jeff - NV - ?? - ??
WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K2 - 755
KL7V/5 - Sam - OK - K2 - 3158QNI #45!!!

   We are closing in on 3500 QNIs from 500 individuals.  The database is  
getting a little unwieldy so I may need to come up with a better method.   
Currently I am keeping the information in spreadsheet with six pages to  
keep track of names, states, call signs, serial numbers, and check in  
dates.  It would be nice if I could start a new page of check ins while  
keeping the call signs down the left side with each column being the  
date.  I need to figure out how to carry over the numbers from the first  
page of check ins while keeping the frequency histogram page linked up  
too.  Hmmm ... I may need to give up sleep for a while to get all of my  
projects done!  I am using Star Office so I won't raise my blood pressure  
while working with the Windows HELP system.  Good thing Pat is not here  
:)  She never did like my using Office tools while in the same house with  
her.  Somehow or another she had the patience to work with them.  Guess we  
are simply different in that regard!  I am sure I'll come up with  
something to get the system a bit simpler.
   I am going to sit at the bench for a while this evening and continue  
soldering.  I had forgotten how much fun and how soothing it can be to  
stuff boards and solder parts.  I'll get through my pile of kits over the  
coming months so I can get to the ones I purchased at OzarkCon :)  By the  
end of the year I may have saved enough to buy myself the KAT100 so I can  
switch antennas more readily.  I may even dream of the new K3 but I'll  
wait for you others to find any problems with it before I jump into the  
fray.  I learned my lesson long ago: I'll not be on the bleeding edge of  
technology unless someone else is footing the bill!

   Have a good week and I will see you again next Sunday,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class)


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