Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Kane
On 4/20/2010 5:41 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:

>>> Has anyone used some kind of a usb hub to hook multiple devices
>>> to the laptop simultaneously?

>>   I have two such "generic" hubs hooked up to my laptop and they
>>   work perfectly with Win XP.

> Use a powered hub rather than non-powered.

  Yes...both of them are powered from the master UPS.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
LOL

It just sounds like a carrier wave, Dale -- a tone that changes audio 
frequency as you tune through it.

There are two definitions of "birdie" in ham radio lingo. The definition 
being used here means a signal that is being generated INSIDE the receiver. 
In other words, if you disconnect the antenna, you still hear it. 
Superheterodyne receivers equipped with microprocessors generate a lot of 
different signals internally, and it's virtually impossible to keep some of 
them from mixing together to put a "signal" where you don't want it: in the 
middle of a ham band. Receiver designers simply try to minimize this 
occurrence by applying good RF engineering practices.

The other definition often used is simply broader: any signal (carrier) 
picked up by your receiver from outside that is not an actual, intentional 
communications signal. Can be generated by computer equipment, consumer 
electronics, and other "unintentional radiators." Mostly these are of 
concern to weak-signal VHF/UHF operators who are listening for signals at or 
below the noise floor -- i.e., in the sub-microvolt range -- where any tiny 
little "birdie" of this sort in the wrong place can wreak havoc.

Bill W5WVO

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From: "Dale HardingK7DNH" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:43 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

>
> ok - please dont laugh - on second thought I guess this may be somewhat
> amusing to many of you...
>
> I'm somewhat new to ham radio - and having no "elmer" around -
>
> what exactly does a amatuer radio "birdie" sound like??  I have an idea 
> ...
> but there are a lot of different sounds "real feathered birdies" make - so 
> I
> am kind of at a loss to what I may be trying to listen for exactly - and I
> have searched the web trying to find a sound bite of one to no avail.
>
> I may have them in my radio also - but since I can get all sorts of weird
> noises at different times on different bands - (especially the ones that
> sounds like a '60's era television flying saucer is coming in for a 
> landing
> is always interesting to listen to for a minute) - I really never thought
> that it was in the radio  -  just something normally "out there" 
> sometimes.
>
> Anyone know where I can download the darn sound so I know what the heck it
> is??
>
> Now stop chuckling!!
> -- 
> View this message in context: 
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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-04-20 Thread nq5t
Something doesn't make sense. The K3 is 10 years old and is better than an 
SB-102? --- ok, I get that part.  

As to the legal limit thing, perhaps the legal limit will be reduced to 100 
Watts or so ;-) 

:-)

Grant/NQ5T



On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:45 PM,    wrote


Seriously. The K2/100 is ten-year-old technology. Yet it has way more 
functionality for its size and weight than transceivers that are ten or twenty 
years older. 

With advances in component miniaturization and material science, it will 
eventually be possible to have a legal limit rig with PS and ATU all in a 
package the size of the K3. 


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[Elecraft] KX1 Opinions PLEASE

2010-04-20 Thread Bob
Hi,

I am contemplating purchasing a KX1 and I would like some input regarding
the general coverage receive aspect of this unit.

I realize that the KX1 is designed for portable QRP CW use, and that is my
primary interest, however, I also like to do some general listening of SSB
signals both amateur and outside of the amateur bands. Please give me your
input
as to how well or poorly does the KX1 work for general coverage listening.

Is it sensitive to weak signals? Does the audio sound okay?

Often when camping or even late at night when I can't sleep, I like to tune
around the bands with my FT817 (in my lap) listening to voice type
communications, be it amateur or utility and I would like to know if the KX1
would be good for this type of activity.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

73
Bob VE3UK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread Dale Harding K7DNH

ok - please dont laugh - on second thought I guess this may be somewhat
amusing to many of you...

I'm somewhat new to ham radio - and having no "elmer" around - 

what exactly does a amatuer radio "birdie" sound like??  I have an idea ...
but there are a lot of different sounds "real feathered birdies" make - so I
am kind of at a loss to what I may be trying to listen for exactly - and I
have searched the web trying to find a sound bite of one to no avail.

I may have them in my radio also - but since I can get all sorts of weird
noises at different times on different bands - (especially the ones that
sounds like a '60's era television flying saucer is coming in for a landing
is always interesting to listen to for a minute) - I really never thought
that it was in the radio  -  just something normally "out there" sometimes.

Anyone know where I can download the darn sound so I know what the heck it
is??

Now stop chuckling!!
-- 
View this message in context: 
http://n2.nabble.com/K3-birdies-tp4927074p4934852.html
Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I had an end-fed 1/2 wave L (135 feet, 65 up and 70 out) which was at
DC ground at the base feedpoint and connected with three ground rods
in a ten foot radius. Lightning evaporated it. Grounding does NOT keep
it from being struck. However it did not continue to the house on the
coax, which was further grounded at the house entry point.  I DID have
a 20 foot #4 bonding wire from the house entrance ground out to the
base tuning unit and those ground rods that ran parallel to the coax
most of the way.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Robert Mcgraw wrote:
>
>> At my shop sits my 100 ft tower for the 3 repeaters and one of my HF
>> stations.  Some 50 ft away is a old Hickory tree that's about 60 to 70 ft
>> tall.  Two years ago I received a lightning strike that destroyed the
>> tree. No damage to the tower, any of the 12 antennas on the tower or any
>> of the equipment in the two racks in the building.   The tower and
>> equipment was correctly and properly grounded.  The tree wasn't.
>
> A number of years ago, I got an induced strike on an untuned doublet that 
> vaporized the copper out of 45 feet of window line from the doublet to the 
> remote balun under the eaves of the house. Left a huge black mark on the side 
> of the house.
>
> None of my radio gear was hurt. It was all in the car. It was Sunday of Field 
> Day, and I had come home to nap and hadn't unpacked my gear.
>
> The doublet was unconnected. I believe I would not have taken any damage had 
> the antenna been properly grounded at the time. Today I ground all my 
> antennas that are not in use.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa...@arrl.net
> Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
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>            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Hill
Elecraft Dick Tracy Special wrist transceiver.
Being strong enough to support the 120 foot tower--Priceless.



Rich
NU6T

Bill Coleman wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:
>
>   
>> You can't have it all -- legal limit amp, power supply for same, legal limit 
>> ATU,  etc. are incompatible with small size, light weight, and ability to 
>> run on 110 VAC mains. you just can't shoehorn a "big gun" station into a 
>> briefcase.
>> 
>
> Yet.
>
> Seriously. The K2/100 is ten-year-old technology. Yet it has way more 
> functionality for its size and weight than transceivers that are ten or 
> twenty years older. 
>
> With advances in component miniaturization and material science, it will 
> eventually be possible to have a legal limit rig with PS and ATU all in a 
> package the size of the K3. 
>
> Just not yet.
>
> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net
> Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
> Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
> -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Bill Coleman

On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Robert Mcgraw wrote:

> At my shop sits my 100 ft tower for the 3 repeaters and one of my HF
> stations.  Some 50 ft away is a old Hickory tree that's about 60 to 70 ft
> tall.  Two years ago I received a lightning strike that destroyed the
> tree. No damage to the tower, any of the 12 antennas on the tower or any
> of the equipment in the two racks in the building.   The tower and
> equipment was correctly and properly grounded.  The tree wasn't.

A number of years ago, I got an induced strike on an untuned doublet that 
vaporized the copper out of 45 feet of window line from the doublet to the 
remote balun under the eaves of the house. Left a huge black mark on the side 
of the house.

None of my radio gear was hurt. It was all in the car. It was Sunday of Field 
Day, and I had come home to nap and hadn't unpacked my gear. 

The doublet was unconnected. I believe I would not have taken any damage had 
the antenna been properly grounded at the time. Today I ground all my antennas 
that are not in use. 



Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
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-- Wilbur Wright, 1901

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Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Some have had problems with non-powered hubs if other devices on the
hub are busy and active at the same time.  Apparently it doesn't
happen all the time, but it does happen for some.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Ken Kopp  wrote:
> Hello Garry,
>
> I have an 8-port hub running on this XP machine,
> and a 4-port on a laptop with XP.
>
> Have had no issues..
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>       elecraftcov...@rfwave.net
>
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Bill Coleman

On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:

> You can't have it all -- legal limit amp, power supply for same, legal limit 
> ATU,  etc. are incompatible with small size, light weight, and ability to run 
> on 110 VAC mains. you just can't shoehorn a "big gun" station into a 
> briefcase.

Yet.

Seriously. The K2/100 is ten-year-old technology. Yet it has way more 
functionality for its size and weight than transceivers that are ten or twenty 
years older. 

With advances in component miniaturization and material science, it will 
eventually be possible to have a legal limit rig with PS and ATU all in a 
package the size of the K3. 

Just not yet.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
-- Wilbur Wright, 1901

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Re: [Elecraft] Mea culpa (KPA-500)

2010-04-20 Thread Ken Kopp
Fred, I --think-- the estimated cost of the KPA500 
you reference is in error by almost a factor of three.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Ken Kopp
Hello Garry,

I have an 8-port hub running on this XP machine,
and a 4-port on a laptop with XP.

Have had no issues..

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
   elecraftcov...@rfwave.net


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Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Peter Chamalian
Use a powered hub rather than non-powered.

Pete, W1RM


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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:59 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

On 4/20/2010 3:26 PM, Gary Slagel wrote:

> Has anyone used some kind of a usb hub to hook multiple devices
> to the laptop simultaneously?

  I have two such "generic" hubs hooked up to my laptop and they
  work perfectly with Win XP.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] RS232 connectivity P3/KPA500

2010-04-20 Thread Craig WØLV

I guess the real questions is why it can not be a USB instead of an RS232. 
It would seem to me that USB would be much easire for all.

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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Mcgraw
At my shop sits my 100 ft tower for the 3 repeaters and one of my HF
stations.  Some 50 ft away is a old Hickory tree that's about 60 to 70 ft
tall.  Two years ago I received a lightning strike that destroyed the
tree. No damage to the tower, any of the 12 antennas on the tower or any
of the equipment in the two racks in the building.   The tower and
equipment was correctly and properly grounded.  The tree wasn't.

73
Bob, K4TAX

> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:31:04 -0400, Tom W8JI wrote:
>
>>I'm not so sure we aren't getting carried away with our own
>>interpretation of NEC rules here. We also have to apply a
>>little technical "common sense" to our systems.
>
>>I have antennas and towers scatter over thousands of feet
>>distance. It would be totally worthless and physically
>>impossible to bond the ground rods on my antennas to my
>>mains ground. The additional protection to my house and
>>equipment, and to people, would be zero.
>
> Exactly. My interpretation is that NEC requires the bonding of
> the shack, and coax entry points with power system ground and all
> other grounds directly associated with the house, AND with a
> tower physically attached to or very close to the house, but NOT
> with a remotely located antenna or tower.
>
> My 120 ft tower is about 250 ft from the shack and 120 ft from
> the house, and is well grounded at its base. It's surrounded by
> several dozen redwoods, about half of which are at least 40 ft
> taller. I've never considered bonding it to either structure, and
> I wouldn't treat it differently even if the trees weren't there.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim K9YC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Kane
On 4/20/2010 3:26 PM, Gary Slagel wrote:

> Has anyone used some kind of a usb hub to hook multiple devices
> to the laptop simultaneously?

  I have two such "generic" hubs hooked up to my laptop and they
  work perfectly with Win XP.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] Mea culpa (KPA-500)

2010-04-20 Thread Fred Jensen
ynkedra...@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Wes, N7WS, for sending me back to my calculator.
> 
> 500 watt output is indeed 7dB greater than 100 watts, not the > 5 dB
> I previously stated.
> 
> Even better.

7 dB is 1.1667 International Standard S-units.  10 dB [1KW vs 100W] is
1.6667 ISS-u.  1.1667 ISS-u can make a fair difference in a pile-up,
0.4999 ISS-u more -- mabye not so much.

Capital Costs:  The KPA500 is alleged to cost around $700. A good 1-1.5
KW solid state amp generally runs something over $2,000 and up.

Operating Costs:  @ 50% efficiency, 2KW averaged over the 48-hr CQ WPX
CW [30% duty cycle, our hypothetical contester calls CQ continuously] @
$0.16/KWh will run him $28.80 and presumably other 48-hr marathons would
do likewise [CW WPX SSB, CQ WW CW, CQ WW SSB, ARRL DX CW, ARRL DX SSB,
ARRL SS CW, ARRL SS SSB] $230.40 for electricity.  Snack food, aspirin,
coffee to keep you awake through all these contests, and all the chores
you have to do before/after the contest to "make it up" to you-know-who,
are fixed costs -- equal for both amps.

KAP500 looks like a good deal to me.  Of course, there's the opportunity
loss during NAQP's where you don't use the KPA500, but the six of them
each year only last 10 hours each.

This does not factor in replacement costs, which could be substantial in
the case of the "big" amps.  How much do 500 2N's cost?  You can do
the math.

[Andrea is *very* happy our income when I was employed did not depend on 
my cost-benefit analysis skills :-)]

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Been right down that road. I have the KUSB.

Prolific has a 4/12/2010 dated installer.zip at

  
http://www.prolific.com.tw/support/files/%5CIO%20Cable%5CPL-2303%5CDrivers%20-%20Generic%5CWindows%5Callinone%5CPL2303_Prolific_DriverInstaller_v1210.zip

Prolific drivers for Windows7/64 have been problematic, but the
version prior to this one finally worked for me on Win7/64.  Frankly,
Win7/64 has been cranky to get going on peripherals, though I seem to
have everything working now.  There is a huge collection of fairly
recent threads on this in the archives.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Peter Chamalian  wrote:
> I've just upgraded to a new computer with no serial ports so I need to be
> able to update the firmware in my K3.  I know the KUSB is available and from
> what I read, it's a usb to serial cable to enable direct communication
> between computer and radio.
>
>
>
> I'm running Windows 7, 64-bit computer.
>
>
>
> Has anyone run into problems with a KUSB and windows 7?  Any suggested
> alternatives?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Pete, W1RM
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] RS232 connectivity P3/KPA500

2010-04-20 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Note that the KPA500 has them labeled "PC" and "xcvr", and that we
already know that the P3 has a pass-through RS232 connection, so it
appears the configurations are computer to KPA500, then another cable
to the P3(if you have one) then another cable to the K3.

N6TV's photo is good and the labels are readable:
http://picasaweb.google.com/rawilson/2010VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#5461795493258994210

73, doug

   From: Doug Fleming 
   Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:51:49 -0400

   I noticed the P3 and KPA500 both have RS232 interconnection to the  
   K3.  I wonder if it will it be possible to have all three connected  
   simultaneously and still have PC RS232 connectivity? ...or would that  
   even be beneficial?
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Re: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Howard K2HK


Gary,
Not exactly ur situation but I have done it with a desktop. I do recommend a 
hub with its own power supply. They are priced  inexpensively.

Howard..K2HK





> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:26:51 -0700
> From: gdsla...@yahoo.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB
> 
> Hi guys, 
>  
> I've got my new k3 hooked to the laptop using the KUSB and it worked FB first 
> time but, I'm going to be out of usb ports.  I've got 2 ports.  I'd like to 
> use the KUSB to the k3, a USB Winkey keyer and also a USB mouse and who 
> knows what down the road.  
>  
> Has anyone used some kind of a usb hub to hook multiple devices to the laptop 
> simultaneously?  
>  
> Thanks for any help.
>  
> Gary/N0SXX
>  
> 
> 
>   

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[Elecraft] RS232 connectivity P3/KPA500

2010-04-20 Thread Doug Fleming
I noticed the P3 and KPA500 both have RS232 interconnection to the  
K3.  I wonder if it will it be possible to have all three connected  
simultaneously and still have PC RS232 connectivity? ...or would that  
even be beneficial?
73,
Doug
KF4VTT
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Re: [Elecraft] ERR TXG problem - PROBLEM SOLVED.

2010-04-20 Thread David Quental
Hi all,

just to tell you that problem is solved due to big help of Elecraft
Support, in person of Gary AB7MY. I did a small mistake but tks help of
Gary I was able to solve it and at same time the ERR TXG problem.

Tks a lot all and long life for Electaft

CT1DRB
David Quental

> David, Try the manual TX Gain as described on page 49 of the K3 Owner's
> Manual.
>
> Select Ant 1 using the ANT pushbutton and check that the dummy load is
> attached to Ant 1 out.
>
> 73, FRED, AE6IC, K3 #2241
>
>  
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[Elecraft] multi port usb hub and k3 KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Gary Slagel
Hi guys, 
 
I've got my new k3 hooked to the laptop using the KUSB and it worked FB first 
time but, I'm going to be out of usb ports.  I've got 2 ports.  I'd like to use 
the KUSB to the k3, a USB Winkey keyer and also a USB mouse and who knows 
what down the road.  
 
Has anyone used some kind of a usb hub to hook multiple devices to the laptop 
simultaneously?  
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Gary/N0SXX
 


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KPAIO3 'Puller'

2010-04-20 Thread Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
Tom, wish I had had benefit of your invention a week ago, when I had to 
replace my defective KPAIO3 board. Without benefit of instruction of any 
sort, I just started in removing stuff that looked like it was in the way... 
I ended up removing quite a bit of stuff! The board eventually did come out, 
with the benefit of a good deal of that "wiggling" that you didn't like the 
sound of.

Putting the new KPAIO3 board back in was even more difficult than getting 
the old one out, but I was finally able to find the correct angle to slip 
the board into insertion position past numerous obstacles. I was 90% sure 
that if the new KPAIO3 fixed the original problem, it would be a miracle, 
and that I had probably blown up all kinds of stuff with my necessarily 
aggressive pushing, prying, and pulling. However, when it was all back 
together, the original RF power problem was fixed, everything worked, I was 
relieved and happy -- and probably lucky.

BTW, I did NOT build my K3; it was a factory job. I could have benefited 
from the experience, I'm sure.

FWIW (in case this failure mode sounds suspiciously familiar to anybody), 
the original problem that prompted the replacement was a barely-intermittent 
(mostly fail mode) KPA3 power fault, where the K3 thought there was no 12VDC 
available for the power amplifier, and put itself into low-power mode as if 
the KPA3 wasn't installed. When completely cold and freshly powered up, the 
KPA3 would function for maybe one or two transmission periods, but on the 
next key-up, it would fail again and wouldn't come back without extended 
R&R. :-)

The Elecraft techs felt it was probably a bad 12V sensor device on the 
KPAIO3, and it appears they were correct. No more problems after a week+ of 
operation.

Bill W5WVO


--
From: "Tom Hammond" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:08 AM
To: 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - KPAIO3 'Puller'

> Recently, I had to open up my K3 in order to perform a bit of
> preventive maintenance, on the KPAIO3 PC board.  This is the small PC
> board which interfaces the KPA3 100W amp assembly to the RF board in
> the Elecraft K3 HF transceiver.
>
> The job started off easy enough... remove the top cover, remove the
> rear cooling fan assembly, remove the KPA3 PC board... I mean, it was
> an easy thing to do... a small PC board... couldn't be all THAT
> difficult to pull it straight up and out of the case,
> right?  WRONG!  In order to ensure that the KPA3 doesn't accidentally
> come loose during transport and handling, Elecraft chose to use some
> REALLY husky dual-row multi-pin 'hi retention' headers to attach the
> KPAIO3 to the RF board, and the same headers to attach the KPA3 to
> the KPAIO3.  The only difference is that if you must remove the KPA3
> from the clutches of the KPAIO3, you have a bit more available 'real
> estate' to grasp (and pry) on than you do when it comes to removing
> the KAPIO3 board.  In fact, there was a point in time that I was
> absolutely certain that my KPAIO3 had been soldered directly to the
> RF board, it was that tightly held in place.
>
> Before I went too far and found myself ripping the guts of the RF
> board out (because my KPAIO3 really WAS soldered to the RF board), I
> called Elecraft and spoke with one of their techs who was very
> familiar with the K3.  Let me digress just a bit here... I did build
> my K3 from a kit, but being serial #8 (and one of the first K3's
> out of Aptos), it had been quite a while since the assembly, and I
> didn't recall whether I'd installed my KPAIO3 or whether it'd been
> pre-installed at the factory... so I called to confirm my
> suspicions... that it really DID plug in.
>
> The tech assured me that it did plug into the RF board and he agreed
> that it was a 'bear' to remove.  He suggested 'wiggling' the PC board
> (front-to-back) as I lifted it up, ever so gradually allowing it to
> 'work' itself out of the death grip of the two headers.  I considered
> that scenario, but didn't care for the 'wiggling' part, feeling that
> this only contributed to a possibly fractured PC board joint on one
> (or more) of the header pins...
>
> The tech also suggested using some 'heavy wire' to make a loop to go
> through two (2) available  (and unused) holes in the KPAIO3 PC board,
> with the loop tied together so I could lift on it and pull the PC
> board straight out.
>
> THIS IDEA I LIKED...!
>
> I did a quick search of the shack and found little heavy wire, BUT I
> did manage to locate what turned out to be a length of 0.125" (1/8")
> O.D. aluminum welding rod.
>
> I checked that the rod just barely passed through the (2) holes in
> the KPAIO3 PC board and was gratified to find that it did.
>
> I then took a few measurements and bent the rod into the lift bracket
> shown below (note that the two vertical legs are different lengths),
> cutting off the excess rod length after the final bend had been
> made.  I then used a fine file to smooth out 

[Elecraft] KUSB

2010-04-20 Thread Peter Chamalian
I've just upgraded to a new computer with no serial ports so I need to be
able to update the firmware in my K3.  I know the KUSB is available and from
what I read, it's a usb to serial cable to enable direct communication
between computer and radio.

 

I'm running Windows 7, 64-bit computer.

 

Has anyone run into problems with a KUSB and windows 7?  Any suggested
alternatives?

 

Thanks!

 

Pete, W1RM

 

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[Elecraft] Mea culpa (KPA-500)

2010-04-20 Thread ynkedragon

Thanks Wes, N7WS, for sending me back to my calculator.

500 watt output is indeed 7dB greater than 100 watts, not the > 5 dB I 
previously stated.

Even better.

73, Blair K3YD







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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:19:47 -0400, Tom W8JI wrote:

>I disagree only on this one point Ed. The entrance ground 
>must be bonded to the mains ground. Not doing so sets us up 
>for very big problems.

RIGHT ON.

Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] KPA-500 - Heat

2010-04-20 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
What are the comparitive amounts of heat produced in a solid-state amplifier
in the RF section  vs. the Power Supply section?


73,
Dick - KA5KKT

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500; meets many needs

2010-04-20 Thread Wes Stewart

Yep, 7 dB is better than 5 dB. ;-)


--- On Tue, 4/20/10, ynkedra...@aol.com  wrote:

 
> Is 500 watts not enough?  For the rarest of the rare
> DX, for top-ten contest results, maybe not.  But it is
> a better-than-5 dB improvement from exciter level.


  
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[Elecraft] KX-1: slightly deaf on 20m

2010-04-20 Thread Stephen Prior
I have always felt that on 20m the KX-1 is much quieter in terms of
background noise compared with the 3 other bands.  Having just bought a XG2
on ebay, I have been comparing receive performance at the 1uV level between
40m and 20m.  There's no doubt that the s/n ratio on 40m is better by
several dB (not measured, so a subjective observation).

I have checked the alignment by adjustment of the trimmers 20a and 20b and
found that the tuning was already pretty much on the nose.

So the question is, is there anywhere else I should look?  I have checked
both with and without the built-in ATU and reached the same conclusion.

I'd be grateful for any pointers.

Tnx and 73

Stephen G4SJP




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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Tom W8JI
<<>>

I disagree only on this one point Ed. The entrance ground 
must be bonded to the mains ground. Not doing so sets us up 
for very big problems.

As a matter of fact the better we ground our entrance panels 
and our antennas, the more we set ourselves up for problems 
from hits on the power line or power line faults.

My ground bonding connection runs directly under the house 
with wide flashing to my mains ground. I also have a halo 
ground surrounding the house that bonds my TV tower and 
everything else entering the house to my mains ground and 
entrance ground.

73 Tom








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Re: [Elecraft] : Re: News from Visalia! (:-))

2010-04-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


> Did I read that the two finals in the KPA500 were push-pull?

That's typical of these designs.  The Grandberg design uses 
the four MRF-150s in parallel/push-pull (two FETs on either 
side). 

73, 

  ... Joe, W4TV 
 


> -Original Message-
> From: guyk...@gmail.com [mailto:guyk...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
> Of Guy Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: lrom...@ij.net; Jim Brown; Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] : Re: News from Visalia! (:-))
> 
> 
> Did I read that the two finals in the KPA500 were push-pull?
> 
> 73, Guy
> 
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV 
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'm just stating my opinion that, in the big picture, the 
> price point 
> >> for the KPA500 seems a bit on the high side for what you get.  Now 
> >> seeing photos, its certainly better looking than my 
> ALS600.  And the 
> >> build quality is probably better than my Ameritron 
> product, but for 
> >> that power level, and taking into account the value of my 
> time if I 
> >> had to build it, the cost is a bit high in my opinion.
> >
> > Taking this one step further, the KPA-500 may have an 
> updated design - 
> > after all the ALS-600 is a close copy of Granberg's 20 year 
> old design 
> > (Motorola Engineering Bulletin # 104) - but other than the 
> > microprocessor control in the KPA-500, the bill of 
> materials should be 
> > fairly similar for the KPA-500 and the ALS-600.
> >
> > The FETs in the KPA-500 will be slightly more expensive (2 x $87 in 
> > the KPA-500 vs. 4 x $36 in the ALS-600 for Q=1000) but the 
> differences 
> > should be offset at least in part by easier assembly and 
> calibration.  
> > I would expect the KPA-500 to sell for no more than 20% above the 
> > street price of the ALS-600 with linear supply. Any more 
> than that is 
> > difficult to justify ... after all, a watt is a watt.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >  ... Joe Subich, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Luis V. Romero
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:51 PM
> >> To: 'Jim Brown'
> >> Cc: 'Elecraft'
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] : Re: News from Visalia! (:-))
> >>
> >>
> >> I wrote that statement, Jim:
> >>
> >> I'm just stating my opinion that, in the big picture, the 
> price point 
> >> for the KPA500 seems a bit on the high side for what you get.  Now 
> >> seeing photos, its certainly better looking than my 
> ALS600.  And the 
> >> build quality is probably better than my Ameritron 
> product, but for 
> >> that power level, and taking into account the value of my 
> time if I 
> >> had to build it, the cost is a bit high in my opinion.
> >>
> >> I'm not in this to have a pretty shack to impress my friends with 
> >> lots of lights, gingerbread and ham status symbols.  If I 
> were into 
> >> that, I would take out a 2nd mortgage and buy a 7800/PW1.  :)
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm "cheap", maybe not.  After all, I do own a rather well 
> >> equipped K3.  But with two kids in college and a mortgage 
> payment in 
> >> today's economy, what I have does an admirable job.  I did 
> have to do 
> >> "final QC" on my ALS600, and I did have to integrate a 
> band decoder 
> >> to it to switch bands from the radio, and I did have to 
> install Phil 
> >> AD5X's marvelous little QSK board, but the K3/ALS600/MFJ998
> >> combination I currently operate does exactly what it needs to
> >> do with little fuss and surprisingly high reliability at a
> >> very reasonable price point.
> >>
> >> While its true that you get what you pay for, as I used to 
> say when I 
> >> was in TV and purchased EFP cameras instead of the 5 times more 
> >> expensive studio versions of the same thing for my 
> station. "Nobody 
> >> at home can see the difference".
> >>
> >> It would be nice to have a matching amp and panadapter to 
> go with my 
> >> K3. The Panadapter is well priced for what you get, what 
> it is, and 
> >> for its computer-less feature set, and I will probably end up with 
> >> one of those next year.
> >>
> >> The KPA500, in my personal environment, is not.
> >>
> >> Again, my opinion, and your mileage will indeed vary. 
> Matching boxes 
> >> are not high on my priority list because, well, "You cant hear the 
> >> difference at home".
> >>
> >> -lu-w4lt-
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:59:58 -0700
> >> From: "Jim Brown" 
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] News from Visalia! (:-))
> >> To: "Elecraft" 
> >> Message-ID: <2010041917.2a58c58...@gw1.nlenet.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:16:58 -0400, Terry Posey wrote:
> >>
> >> >ALS600 with the Linear Power supply, AD5X Full Break In 
> mod and an 
> >> >external bandswitching accessory plus an MFJ998 would come in 
> >> >considerably under the $2,000 price.
> >>
> >> Do I understand that you are equating MFJ with Elecraft? 
> That's quite 
> >> a stretch! Wh

[Elecraft] KPA-500; meets many needs

2010-04-20 Thread ynkedragon


Guess it depends on operations and locations, but I see the KPA-500 meeting 
some broad operating needs.

I frequently operate portable, for contests, and enjoy a power boost above 
exciter level power.
I've looked at the somewhat portable ACOM 1010, but it lacks 6 meter coverage 
and full break-in.

Tokyo High Power?  Similar band coverage and QSK issues; can be a little more 
portable.

The Ameritron (MFJ) solid state amp?  Again 6 meters and QSK are lacking.  
Also, I've had too many QC issues with that company's products.  YMMV.

So, the '500 appears to offer a very compact (K3 size, 22 lb.) package, full 
160-6 meter coverage and QSK--all with internal power supply.  Sounds like a  
traveler's delight to me as well as being a medium-power level amp for home 
use.  

What's not to like?  I hear wishes for a built-in antenna tuner.  For some 
people that's a need, for others a non-issue.  When I use a tuner it's a 
Johnson matchbox with ladder line into the shack.  If I'm using a coax-fed 
antenna, I will work it, and work it, work it some more till it is resonant and 
no tuner is necessary.  That's me.

Is 500 watts not enough?  For the rarest of the rare DX, for top-ten contest 
results, maybe not.  But it is a better-than-5 dB improvement from exciter 
level.  There were recently expressed wishes from some on this reflector for a 
150~200 watt PA.  Here's an amp that, with reduced drive, gives that 
sought-after power output level.  The 500 watt power level is also compatible 
with the power limits in many European countries.

Do I like what I see so far?  Yes.

73, Blair K3YD



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[Elecraft] RES: K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread py5eg
Hi Guys:
I do have 4(tour) K3 and I really don´t understand why Elecraft is not taking 
care of it.
This is (my opinion) ridiculous!!!
Everyone is making serious comments on this issue and no effective actions???

Oms PY5EG

-Mensagem original-
De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] 
Em nome de Guy Olinger K2AV
Enviada em: terça-feira, 20 de abril de 2010 12:27
Para: Tom W8JI
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; lstavenhagen
Assunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

Routing the cables when adding the second RX was very tricky and
caused birdies to appear and disappear while being moved around.
Though it is an added cost, a premade wiring harness to enforce a
tested good routing would be useful.

Or perhaps if there was an actual size template of a wiring harness to
be assembled as part of the kit, with some pre-printed stickers to put
on the cables.

Precise routing is fairly left to chance as currently implemented.

I also hear far less birdies (next to none relatively) tuning across
the band in CW, vs. SSB.

To be fair, most birdies are buried in a busy band without effect, and
require a dead band to hear them.  In mine there were three that were
obnoxious enough to bother killing them with the menu device.  I do
NOT experience related audio gaps as reported by some others.  I DO
get gaps if I overcorrect.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom W8JI  wrote:
> My K3 with the second receiver does not seem to have these
> problems either.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "lstavenhagen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies
>
>
>
> I can only reproduce the birdie on 80M (and there are
> actually two very close
> together, one of which turns on as you tune up the band and
> then off as you
> go down. They're at about S2 or 3).
> But I have very few options installed, the KAT3 and one
> extra roofing filter
> and that's it. Maybe these come in with other options like
> the second RX?
>
> Heaven compared to my 706MKIIG which has birdies all over
> the place, hi
> hi
>
> Mine is K3 #4116.
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
> --
> View this message in context:
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread David Gilbert

Pretend for the moment that you are Elecraft.   Everyone needs a power 
supply, but not everyone needs a tuner.  Of those who need a tuner, not 
everyone needs one with the same range (a larger issue at high power 
than it is at low power), and some strongly prefer to have a remote 
tuner anyway.  So which makes more sense to package with the amplifier?

73,
Dave   AB7E


From: ANTNEE N3ANT
Subject: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:15 AM


Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?

73 de Antnee N3ANT


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread David Gilbert

When I built my K3 (with the 2nd receiver) well over a year ago I had 
lots of birdies between on most of the bands, although very few on 80m.  
With a dummy load on the antenna port, I logged any birdie S2 or greater 
(I have a really low noise level at this QTH) and then monitored them 
all (yes, all of them) as I played around with various cable positions.  
It soon became obvious that eliminating one birdie often strongly 
accentuated a different one, so I spent a lot of time trying to find a 
decent middle ground and then did my best to hold the cables in those 
positions with cable ties and tape.  The SIG RMV software fix that came 
out a few weeks later was a remarkably innovative godsend and totally 
fixed any remaining issues.

I tried some out-of-the box methods to reduce the birdies before the 
software fix came out.  One was to buy a sheet of anti-static material 
(carbon impregnated foam), cut it into sections that fit into sandwich 
baggies, connect a wire to each of them that could be grounded to the 
case inside the K3, and position them around the various cables.  The 
idea was to create some sort of lossy shielding to reduce the coupling.  
It actually helped a bit, but it made a large difference where I 
connected the wires to ground (understandable since the wire now also 
act as antennas) and the overall improvement wasn't worth the hassle.

By the way, the 2nd receiver is FAR better shielded and I could find 
only a couple of very weak birdies on it, while I had thirty or more S2 
or above (roughly half of which were S3 and about four at S4) on the 
main receiver.  Since I assembled everything before checking for birdies 
I never did a comparison of main receiver birdies with and without the 
2nd receiver installed, but based upon my experience with various cable 
placements it is my strong belief that having the 2nd receiver installed 
makes the birdies worse in the main receiver, presumably because the 
shield of the 2nd receiver creates more coupling between the cables 
behind the front panel.

I still have a couple of birdies on certain frequencies that I never use 
and haven't bothered with, and as might be expected they are STRONGLY 
microphonic.  Tapping on the case while listening to them can be almost 
startling.  It always made me wonder what the transmitted signal would 
sound like on the birdie frequencies if the rig was "physically 
modulated" by other gear on the desk, or even through the air, but I 
haven't walked myself through the frequency chain to see if it would 
even be relevant.

73,
Dave  AB7E


On 4/20/2010 8:26 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Routing the cables when adding the second RX was very tricky and
> caused birdies to appear and disappear while being moved around.
> Though it is an added cost, a premade wiring harness to enforce a
> tested good routing would be useful.
>
> Or perhaps if there was an actual size template of a wiring harness to
> be assembled as part of the kit, with some pre-printed stickers to put
> on the cables.
>
> Precise routing is fairly left to chance as currently implemented.
>
> I also hear far less birdies (next to none relatively) tuning across
> the band in CW, vs. SSB.
>
> To be fair, most birdies are buried in a busy band without effect, and
> require a dead band to hear them.  In mine there were three that were
> obnoxious enough to bother killing them with the menu device.  I do
> NOT experience related audio gaps as reported by some others.  I DO
> get gaps if I overcorrect.
>
> 73, Guy.
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[Elecraft] [K3] 1.0 Milliwatt Calibration

2010-04-20 Thread Julian, G4ILO

I was wondering why my 2m transverter was producing much less output than
when I set it up, so I thought that perhaps I should do the 1 Milliwatt
calibration procedure, which I never have done. I don't, unfortunately, have
an accurate RF voltmeter, but I do have an Elecraft DL1 and a DVM.

At 1mW requested power I measured 36mV at the DL1 test point, which
according to the formula (.036 x 1.414) + 0.15)^2 / 50 means I am only
getting 0.8mW out. Is it OK to use the DL1 and this formula at this power
level?

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Edward Cole
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:31:04 -0400
From: "Tom W8JI" 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?
To: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" , "Jim Brown"
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I'm not so sure we aren't getting carried away with our own
interpretation of NEC rules here. We also have to apply a
little technical "common sense" to our systems.

I have antennas and towers scatter over thousands of feet
distance. It would be totally worthless and physically
impossible to bond the ground rods on my antennas to my
mains ground. The additional protection to my house and
equipment, and to people, would be zero.

In addition to no improvement in protection, the
effectiveness of the low-noise antennas would be greatly
decreased.

Then we have to consider odds that power lines, trees, and
our large towers would be ignored by lightning and a small
ten-foot-tall  twenty-foot-long, antenna would be struck. If
it were struck, where would the majority charges move? In
the feeder to the house. If the feeder ground were bonded to
the mains ground at the building entrance, the safety issue
for people and the dwelling is closed at that point. The
ground at the dwelling entrance, that is mandated by NEC to
be bonded to the mains ground, is key to safety. Not the
critical signal ground at some backyard clothesline antenna.

I also frequently hear that "insurance disallowed"
statement. If insurance was "disallowed" for a NEC safety or
rule violation, very few claims would ever be paid. In my
entire life I can't recall having a claim denied because of
something like this. I would bet well over half of  Ham
stations lack a proper entrance or station ground bonded to
the mains ground, but I don't recall ever knowing of a claim
disallowed for that gross error.

73 Tom
===
Tom, and all:

Have to agree with you.
Hundreds of feet of electrical ground wire from antennas?  Not even 
sure that would work for lightening.
I have a ground rod at the base of my 600m inverted-L antenna (RF 
ground) and the 2-ft wide x 50-foot to 70-foot long radials are 
connected there.
Z = 18 - j681.5
Rad = 0.8 ohms so most is ground loss

I have a 120-foot run of 1-5/8 inch LDF7-50A Heliax that is grounded 
at the base of the tower and at the cable entrance to the shack.  The 
cable entrance is a 12x 16 inch aluminum plate that has 26 coaxial 
feed thru connectors (I have over 17 antennas).  The mains 
(electrical meter box) is grounded on the other side of the house so 
to bond them would take 50+28+50= 128 feet of ground wire.  That 
might be effective if It was #6 or larger.  I got better places to spend money.

My Beverage antenna has two ground rods at either end but is 150-feet 
from the cable entrance.  I have begun using ferrite RF Chokes a lot 
on my coax with excellent results.  They are not expensive and nicer 
to look at then a big coil of coax.


73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread W4GRJ
I am running a Expert 1K-FA 1KW amplifier on 120 VAC with no problems.

Jack
W4GRJ



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lew Phelps K6LMP
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:46 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

It's probably possible to build a KW power supply into a K3 enclosure, but a
power supply of that output would absolutely require 220VAC lines, which I
believe is one of the reasons Elecraft focused on the 500 watt amplifier
size. 500 watts is about the limit for running an amplifier from 110 VAC
mains, and requiring access to a 220VAC outlet runs against the grain of the
portability that has always been an Elecraft hallmark. 

You can't have it all -- legal limit amp, power supply for same, legal limit
ATU,  etc. are incompatible with small size, light weight, and ability to
run on 110 VAC mains. you just can't shoehorn a "big gun" station into a
briefcase.

Elecraft does not have unlimited resources. They have done very well in
targeting market niches that other manufacturers don't serve. There are
already very good and fairly reasonably priced high-output amps on the
market, and I think Elecraft would have a difficult time differentiating
itself from those products, in either performance or price, except to the
relatively small extent that you can save $$ by  building your own kit.  But
heck, there are even kit form KW amplifiers on the market. 

Let's all step back, take a deep breath, exhale, and be thankful for the
great job Elecraft has done in developing and introducing two apparently
wonderful new products at the same time. 

Lew K6LMP


On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:

> 
> Would moving the Power Supply out of the KPA500 enclosure leave room for a
> 2nd 500 RF deck inside the K3-sized enclosure?  Could two 500 Power
supplies
> fit in another K3-sized enclosure?
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:31:04 -0400, Tom W8JI wrote:

>I'm not so sure we aren't getting carried away with our own 
>interpretation of NEC rules here. We also have to apply a 
>little technical "common sense" to our systems.

>I have antennas and towers scatter over thousands of feet 
>distance. It would be totally worthless and physically 
>impossible to bond the ground rods on my antennas to my 
>mains ground. The additional protection to my house and 
>equipment, and to people, would be zero.

Exactly. My interpretation is that NEC requires the bonding of 
the shack, and coax entry points with power system ground and all 
other grounds directly associated with the house, AND with a 
tower physically attached to or very close to the house, but NOT 
with a remotely located antenna or tower.  

My 120 ft tower is about 250 ft from the shack and 120 ft from 
the house, and is well grounded at its base. It's surrounded by 
several dozen redwoods, about half of which are at least 40 ft 
taller. I've never considered bonding it to either structure, and 
I wouldn't treat it differently even if the trees weren't there. 

73,

Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread ny9h
probably not enough room for the FANS  :)

bill

At 01:27 PM 4/20/2010, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:

>Would moving the Power Supply out of the KPA500 enclosure leave room for a
>2nd 500 RF deck inside the K3-sized enclosure?  Could two 500 Power supplies
>fit in another K3-sized enclosure?

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[Elecraft] 2N2222 Final

2010-04-20 Thread Edward Cole
I missed reading Vol. 72, issue 22 of the Elecraft Digest so got a 
chuckle with this one.but

I am using a 2N as an 18-dB buffer amp following my K3.  This is 
on 500-KHz running the K3 in TEST mode where the output is ~ 1mw via 
the KXV3 option.  I run 0.25 to 0.62 mw to drive the 2N up to 
10mw output.  This then drives a converted Non-Directional Beacon 
(NDB) transmitter to 100w in CW/QRSS/PSK-31/WSPR  (the legal modes 
for the ARRL Experimental Group on 600 meter band).  The NDB 
originally had a xtal controlled oscillator using SSB+carrier for 
pseudo-AM MCW ID in morse code.  A happy coincidence is that the 
drive requirement suited the K3 in TEST mode.  The NDB pre-driver 
stage is also a 2N.
You can see the details of my 600m station at:
http://www.kl7uw.com/600m.htm

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Message: 37
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:53:26 -0700
From: Fred Jensen 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500
To: Elecraft Reflector 
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Joe Planisky wrote:
 > Nah.  It'll be 500 2N's.  Wayne had a bunch left over from some
 > QRP projects and had to find a way to get rid of them.  :-)

Thank you Joe, a breath of humor

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
- www.cqp.org


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[Elecraft] Leakage Flux from Toroidal Transformer

2010-04-20 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:22:33 +0100, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

>Obviously the answer will also depend on the quality of design and 
>construction, not only in the transformer but also in the rest of the 
>amplifier, because flux leakage is also affected by the external 
>connecting wires. For the lowest possible flux leakage, it is important 
>to minimize the physical size of the 'coupling loops' created by the 
>connecting wires, especially if the stray magnetic fields can also 
>interact with a steel chassis.

I never bothered to figure out why, but the first family of Crown audio 
power amps that used toroidal power transformers had BODACIOUS levels of 
leakage flux that could drive you NUTS in a live situation, when they 
coupled into line level audio circuits. We had to solve that by physically 
rotating them. 

73,

Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Lew Phelps K6LMP
It's probably possible to build a KW power supply into a K3 enclosure, but a 
power supply of that output would absolutely require 220VAC lines, which I 
believe is one of the reasons Elecraft focused on the 500 watt amplifier size. 
500 watts is about the limit for running an amplifier from 110 VAC mains, and 
requiring access to a 220VAC outlet runs against the grain of the portability 
that has always been an Elecraft hallmark. 

You can't have it all -- legal limit amp, power supply for same, legal limit 
ATU,  etc. are incompatible with small size, light weight, and ability to run 
on 110 VAC mains. you just can't shoehorn a "big gun" station into a briefcase.

Elecraft does not have unlimited resources. They have done very well in 
targeting market niches that other manufacturers don't serve. There are already 
very good and fairly reasonably priced high-output amps on the market, and I 
think Elecraft would have a difficult time differentiating itself from those 
products, in either performance or price, except to the relatively small extent 
that you can save $$ by  building your own kit.  But heck, there are even kit 
form KW amplifiers on the market. 

Let's all step back, take a deep breath, exhale, and be thankful for the great 
job Elecraft has done in developing and introducing two apparently wonderful 
new products at the same time. 

Lew K6LMP


On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Edward Dickinson, III wrote:

> 
> Would moving the Power Supply out of the KPA500 enclosure leave room for a
> 2nd 500 RF deck inside the K3-sized enclosure?  Could two 500 Power supplies
> fit in another K3-sized enclosure?
> 

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[Elecraft] P3 internal Power Supply Question

2010-04-20 Thread n6ax
Probably premature to ask this but I understand the P3 has some empty space 
which some have suggested might accomodate a power 
supply for the attached K3. 

An example might be an Astron SS-30 removed from it's housing...footprint 
approximately 4.5 x 5.5"

Does anyone have info on the dimensions of the unused floor space in the P3?


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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Edward Dickinson, III

Would moving the Power Supply out of the KPA500 enclosure leave room for a
2nd 500 RF deck inside the K3-sized enclosure?  Could two 500 Power supplies
fit in another K3-sized enclosure?


73,
Dick - KA5KKT


Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?

73 de Antnee N3ANT


I agree, I don't mind an under the counter supply.

Mel, K6KBE


I think an internal power supply for the KPA500 with an external ATU from
Elecraft makes a lot more sense.  The power supply is very likely to be a
dedicated supply due to voltage level and current draw requirements but a
good external and self-contained auto-tuner (legal limit would be nice) from
Elecraft would be a very popular product.

73, phil, K7PEH


 I suspect that the KPA500 will bootstrap Elecraft into a higher-power
amp in the same size box with an external power supply, but that's
wild speculation.

73, doug

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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Vic K2VCO
On 4/20/2010 9:35 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:

> I may have missed it, but I would like to know more about the KPA500's T/R
> function -- namely, is it 100% electronic with PIN diode switching?  Or, are
> frame and/or vacuum relays used at the amp input and output?  A silent,
> PIN-diode switched amp would be commensurate with the K3's excellent T/R
> function.

It's silent solid-state.
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[Elecraft] [K3] MD3; or MD7; command changes VFO B filter settings

2010-04-20 Thread Frank R. Oppedijk
Hi all,

I have noticed that when I send an MD3; or MD7; command to my K3 
(which sets the VFO A mode to CW or CW REV respectively), the VFO B 
filter settings (selected filter, filter shift and width) are changed 
to the values that are currently active for VFO A. This happens with 
both 3.77 and 3.79 firmware. VFO B must already be in CW mode for 
this phenomenon to occur.

Can anyone reproduce this?

73,

Frank PA4N

P.S. Maybe this phenomenon is a side effect of the following. In 
general, the MD command only acts on VFO A. (The MD$ command is the 
equivalent command for VFO B.) However, if VFO A and B are both in CW 
mode and you send a MD7; (CW REV) command to VFO A, *both* VFOs are 
set to CW REV. Apparently, the normal / rev setting applies to the 
whole K3, not just one VFO. This makes sense. However, I wouldn't 
expect *all* VFO A settings to be copied over to VFO B when an MD3; 
or MD7; command is issued.


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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Wes Stewart
http://www.w5dxp.com/notuner.htm

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604  wrote:

> as well as intersting things like the fellow (I can't find
> the URL
> right now) who switches binary weighted lengths of
> twin-lead feeder in
> and out to match his wire to his radio.


  
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Christensen
>I think an internal power supply for the KPA500 with an external ATU from 
>Elecraft makes a lot more sense.

I like the remote-ATU idea, especially, if it incorporates an auto-tune 
feature as well as a means to integrate switched antenna ports.  A 500W 
auto-tuner with say...six SO-239 ports would be great.  Those needing more 
ports?  Perhaps an expansion capability.

I may have missed it, but I would like to know more about the KPA500's T/R 
function -- namely, is it 100% electronic with PIN diode switching?  Or, are 
frame and/or vacuum relays used at the amp input and output?  A silent, 
PIN-diode switched amp would be commensurate with the K3's excellent T/R 
function.

Presently, I am using a SPE 1K-FA amp and although the amp is compact and 
has been reliable for me, the T/R switching function is quite noisy.  To 
deal with the noise issue, I modified an Ameritron QSK-5 and the T/R 
timing/bias function is now better than the stock system:

http://72.52.250.47/images/QSK-5-Interface.pdf

Added to the noise is the fact that the SPE's cooling fans begin getting 
noisy when the PA reaches above 100-degrees C.  By the time the PA reaches 
150-degrees C, it's as if an F-18 Hornet is taking off from my desktop.   If 
the Elecraft folks can apply their same know-how to the KPA500 as they did 
with the K3's cooling system, I think few folks will be complaining about 
cooling noise.

Paul, W9AC


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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Hm, the difference is that not everyone needs a automatic antenna
tuner and everyone needs the power supply.  If you have one of them
external, there are strong arguments for it being the antenna tuner.

We have tuneable antennas, and many other antennas run fine without a
tuner.  And the options for an antenna tuning unit include automatic
tuners, simple manual all-band boxes, and per-band matching networks,
as well as intersting things like the fellow (I can't find the URL
right now) who switches binary weighted lengths of twin-lead feeder in
and out to match his wire to his radio.

I suspect that the KPA500 will bootstrap Elecraft into a higher-power
amp in the same size box with an external power supply, but that's
wild speculation.

73, doug

   Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Mel Farrer 

   I agree, I don't mind an under the counter supply.

   Mel, K6KBE

   --- On Tue, 4/20/10, ANTNEE N3ANT  wrote:

   Subject: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500
   Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:15 AM

   Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
   KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread Tom W8JI
<<
Routing the cables when adding the second RX was very tricky 
and
caused birdies to appear and disappear while being moved 
around.
Though it is an added cost, a premade wiring harness to 
enforce a
tested good routing would be useful.>>

If that is a problem, then maybe a better solution would be 
a few ferrite beads over certain cables or some better 
grounding?

I assume it is the coaxial cables that affect the birdies? 

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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Phil Hystad
I think an internal power supply for the KPA500 with an external ATU from 
Elecraft makes a lot more sense.  The power supply is very likely to be a 
dedicated supply due to voltage level and current draw requirements but a good 
external and self-contained auto-tuner (legal limit would be nice) from 
Elecraft would be a very popular product.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Mel Farrer wrote:

> I agree, I don't mind an under the counter supply.
> 
> Mel, K6KBE
> 
> --- On Tue, 4/20/10, ANTNEE N3ANT  wrote:
> 
> From: ANTNEE N3ANT 
> Subject: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:15 AM
> 
> 
> Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
> KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?
> 
> 73 de Antnee N3ANT
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Re: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread Mel Farrer
I agree, I don't mind an under the counter supply.

Mel, K6KBE

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, ANTNEE N3ANT  wrote:

From: ANTNEE N3ANT 
Subject: [Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:15 AM


Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?

73 de Antnee N3ANT
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[Elecraft] FOR SALE: ELecraft W1 Wattmeter Kit

2010-04-20 Thread Elliott Lawrence
FOR SALE:  Elecraft W1 Wattmeter Kit  new in bag never openned.  Won at 
Visalia.  $80 shipping Priority Mail included.  Money Order preferred.

Please contact me directly.

73
Elliott WA6TLA 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Routing the cables when adding the second RX was very tricky and
caused birdies to appear and disappear while being moved around.
Though it is an added cost, a premade wiring harness to enforce a
tested good routing would be useful.

Or perhaps if there was an actual size template of a wiring harness to
be assembled as part of the kit, with some pre-printed stickers to put
on the cables.

Precise routing is fairly left to chance as currently implemented.

I also hear far less birdies (next to none relatively) tuning across
the band in CW, vs. SSB.

To be fair, most birdies are buried in a busy band without effect, and
require a dead band to hear them.  In mine there were three that were
obnoxious enough to bother killing them with the menu device.  I do
NOT experience related audio gaps as reported by some others.  I DO
get gaps if I overcorrect.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom W8JI  wrote:
> My K3 with the second receiver does not seem to have these
> problems either.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "lstavenhagen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies
>
>
>
> I can only reproduce the birdie on 80M (and there are
> actually two very close
> together, one of which turns on as you tune up the band and
> then off as you
> go down. They're at about S2 or 3).
> But I have very few options installed, the KAT3 and one
> extra roofing filter
> and that's it. Maybe these come in with other options like
> the second RX?
>
> Heaven compared to my 706MKIIG which has birdies all over
> the place, hi
> hi
>
> Mine is K3 #4116.
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
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Re: [Elecraft] Remotable external tuner

2010-04-20 Thread Ken Alexander
Hi Dick,

I would think so, but it doesn't strike me that they need the help.  My 
understanding is that they tuners they currently sell are very good.  It 
probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch to take a proven performer, modify 
it according to some of the wish list items floating around and provide a 
weatherproof cabinet for it.

73 - Ken


--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Edward Dickinson, III  wrote:

> From: Edward Dickinson, III 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remotable external tuner
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 3:03 AM
> Hi Ken.
> 
> Do you think it is possible for Elecraft to acquire
> influence with a not yet
> mature autotuner manufacturer and provide guidance in a
> manner beneficial to
> Elecraft enthusiasts?
> 
> 
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> All of the above ("below" actually) for me as well, but
> please, not just a
> 500W model.  Way too expensive.  Looking at SGC's
> website as an example, a
> 500W remote autotuner costs 3 times as much as a 100W model
> and twice as
> much as a 200W unit.
> 
> Maybe you can make power rating an option...with the brains
> of the tuner on
> one board and the brawny, power-rated components on a
> separate board?  Order
> the combination of boards to match your
> circumstances.  Just a thought.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KPAIO3 'Puller'

2010-04-20 Thread Dave, W8OV
Tom,

Thanks for the tip and diagram.  I'll file that one for possible use later.

--Dave, W8OV

On 4/20/2010 6:08 AM, Tom Hammond wrote:

>
> http://www.n0ss.net/kpaio3_pcb_puller_v1r1.pdf
>
> 73,
>
> Tom Hammond   N0SS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread Tom W8JI
My K3 with the second receiver does not seem to have these 
problems either.


- Original Message - 
From: "lstavenhagen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies



I can only reproduce the birdie on 80M (and there are 
actually two very close
together, one of which turns on as you tune up the band and 
then off as you
go down. They're at about S2 or 3).
But I have very few options installed, the KAT3 and one 
extra roofing filter
and that's it. Maybe these come in with other options like 
the second RX?

Heaven compared to my 706MKIIG which has birdies all over 
the place, hi
hi

Mine is K3 #4116.

73,
LS
W5QD
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[Elecraft] External Power Supply for the KPA-500

2010-04-20 Thread ANTNEE N3ANT

Hello All, Just a thoughtbut how about a external power supply for the
KPA-500 ? It would leave plenty of room for a built In antenna tuner ?

73 de Antnee N3ANT
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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: April 20 - May 20, 2010

2010-04-20 Thread Ken Newman
~
N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR
April 20 to May 20, 2010
~
SP DX RTTY Contest
Apr 24, 1200z to Apr 25, 1200z
Rules: http://www.pkrvg.org/zbior.html
~
Florida QSO Party (CW/Phone) ...QRP Category
Apr 24, 1600z to Apr 25, 0159z and
Apr 25, 1200z to 2159z
Rules: http://www.floridaqsoparty.org/
~
Nebraska QSO Party (CW/SSB/Digital) ... QRP Category
Apr 24, 1700z to Apr 25, 1700z
Rules: http://www.hdxa.net/neqso/index.htm
~
Helvetia Contest (CW/SSB) (Swiss) ...QRP Category
Apr 24, 1300z to Apr 25, 1259z
Rules: http://www.uska.ch
~
QRP To The Field (CW)  ...QRP Contest!!
Apr 24, 1500z to Apr 25,0300z 
Rules: http://www.zianet.com/QRP/
~
FISTS/EUCW CW QRS Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Apr 26, 0001z to Apr 30, 2359z
Rules: http://www.agcw.org/eucw/euqrs.html
~
SKCC Sprint (Straight Key CW)  ... QRP Awards
Apr 28, z to 0200z
Rules: http://www.skccgroup.com/sprint/sks/
~
AGCW QRP/QRP Party (CW) ... QRP Contest!
May 1, 1300z to 1900z
Rules: http://www.agcw.org/en/?Contests:QRP-QRP-Party
~
Ten-Ten International Spring Contest (Dig/CW)...QRP Category
May 1, 0001z to May 2, 2359z
Rules: http://www.ten-ten.org/Forms/QSOPartyRulesRevised.pdf
~
7th Call Area QSO Party (Ph/CW/Dig) ... QRP Category
May 1, 1300z to May 2, 0700z
Rules: http://www.codxc.com/new/page.asp?content=dryland7s
~
Indiana QSO Party (All) ... QRP Category
May 1, 1600z to May 2, 0400z
Rules: http://www.hdxcc.org/inqp/
~
New England QSO Party (Phone/CW) ... QRP Category
May 1, 2000z to May 2, 0500z
May 2, 1300z to May 2, 2400z
Rules: http://www.neqp.org/
~
Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) ... QRP Event!
May 4, 0100z to 0300z (First Monday 9 PM EDT)
Info: http://adventure-radio.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
~
AGCW Activity Week (CW) ... QRP Category
May 5, z to May 9, 2400z
Rules: http://www.agcw.org/en/?Contests:Activity_Week
~
VK/trans-Tasman Contests (80 M Ph) ... QRP Category
May 8, 0800z to 1400z
Rules: http://home.iprimus.com.au/vktasman/RULES.HTM
~
CQM International DX Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
May 8, 1200z to May 9, 1159z
Rules: http://www.cq-m.andys.ru/
~
FISTS Spring Sprint (CW) ... QRP Category
May 8, 1700z to 2100z
Rules: http://www.fists.org/sprints.html
~
SKCC Weekend Sprintathon (Straight Key CW) ... QRP Category
May 9, z to 2359z
Rules: http://www.skccgroup.com/sprint/wes/
~
CWops Mini-CWT Test (CW) ... QRP Category
May 12, 1100z to 1200z and
May 12, 1900z to 2000z and
May 13, 0300z to 0400z
Rules: http://www.cwops.org/onair.html
~
[North American "Minimal Art Session"]
MAS "Minimal Art Session" (80M CW) *** QRP Homebrew Only! ***
May 13, 9 PM to 1 AM ** LOCAL TIME **
North American Rules:  http://tinyurl.com/MAS-QRPedia
~
Dayton Hamvention (QRP Event - FDIM)
May 14-16
Info: http://www.hamvention.org/
~
HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF SPAIN CONTEST (CW)
May 15, 1200z to May 16, 1200z
Rules: 
http://www.ure.es/contest/431-sm-el-rey-contest-english-version.html
~
Feld Hell Club Sprint (Feld Hell) ... QRP Category
May 15, 1600z to 1800z and 2000z to 2200z
Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/feldhellclub/Home
~
RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST ***
EDT: May 16, 9 PM to 11 PM
UTC: May 17, 0100z 0300z
Rules: http://www.fpqrp.com/
~
NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint *** QRP CONTEST! ***
EDT: May 19, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM
UTC: May 20, 0030z to 0230z
Rules: http://home.windstream.net/yoel/contests.html
~

Thanks to SM3CER, WA7BNM, N0AX(ARRL), VA3

Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies

2010-04-20 Thread lstavenhagen

I can only reproduce the birdie on 80M (and there are actually two very close
together, one of which turns on as you tune up the band and then off as you
go down. They're at about S2 or 3). 
But I have very few options installed, the KAT3 and one extra roofing filter
and that's it. Maybe these come in with other options like the second RX?

Heaven compared to my 706MKIIG which has birdies all over the place, hi
hi

Mine is K3 #4116.

73,
LS
W5QD
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Re: [Elecraft] : Re: News from Visalia! (:-))

2010-04-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Did I read that the two finals in the KPA500 were push-pull?

73, Guy

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>
>
>> I'm just stating my opinion that, in the big picture, the
>> price point for the KPA500 seems a bit on the high side for
>> what you get.  Now seeing photos, its certainly better
>> looking than my ALS600.  And the build quality is probably
>> better than my Ameritron product, but for that power level,
>> and taking into account the value of my time if I had to
>> build it, the cost is a bit high in my opinion.
>
> Taking this one step further, the KPA-500 may have an updated
> design - after all the ALS-600 is a close copy of Granberg's
> 20 year old design (Motorola Engineering Bulletin # 104) - but
> other than the microprocessor control in the KPA-500, the bill
> of materials should be fairly similar for the KPA-500 and
> the ALS-600.
>
> The FETs in the KPA-500 will be slightly more expensive (2 x $87
> in the KPA-500 vs. 4 x $36 in the ALS-600 for Q=1000) but the
> differences should be offset at least in part by easier assembly
> and calibration.  I would expect the KPA-500 to sell for no more
> than 20% above the street price of the ALS-600 with linear supply.
> Any more than that is difficult to justify ... after all, a watt
> is a watt.
>
> 73,
>
>  ... Joe Subich, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Luis V. Romero
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:51 PM
>> To: 'Jim Brown'
>> Cc: 'Elecraft'
>> Subject: [Elecraft] : Re: News from Visalia! (:-))
>>
>>
>> I wrote that statement, Jim:
>>
>> I'm just stating my opinion that, in the big picture, the
>> price point for the KPA500 seems a bit on the high side for
>> what you get.  Now seeing photos, its certainly better
>> looking than my ALS600.  And the build quality is probably
>> better than my Ameritron product, but for that power level,
>> and taking into account the value of my time if I had to
>> build it, the cost is a bit high in my opinion.
>>
>> I'm not in this to have a pretty shack to impress my friends
>> with lots of lights, gingerbread and ham status symbols.  If
>> I were into that, I would take out a 2nd mortgage and buy a
>> 7800/PW1.  :)
>>
>> Maybe I'm "cheap", maybe not.  After all, I do own a rather
>> well equipped K3.  But with two kids in college and a
>> mortgage payment in today's economy, what I have does an
>> admirable job.  I did have to do "final QC" on my ALS600, and
>> I did have to integrate a band decoder to it to switch bands
>> from the radio, and I did have to install Phil AD5X's
>> marvelous little QSK board, but the K3/ALS600/MFJ998
>> combination I currently operate does exactly what it needs to
>> do with little fuss and surprisingly high reliability at a
>> very reasonable price point.
>>
>> While its true that you get what you pay for, as I used to
>> say when I was in TV and purchased EFP cameras instead of the
>> 5 times more expensive studio versions of the same thing for
>> my station. "Nobody at home can see the difference".
>>
>> It would be nice to have a matching amp and panadapter to go
>> with my K3. The Panadapter is well priced for what you get,
>> what it is, and for its computer-less feature set, and I will
>> probably end up with one of those next year.
>>
>> The KPA500, in my personal environment, is not.
>>
>> Again, my opinion, and your mileage will indeed vary.
>> Matching boxes are not high on my priority list because,
>> well, "You cant hear the difference at home".
>>
>> -lu-w4lt-
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:59:58 -0700
>> From: "Jim Brown" 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] News from Visalia! (:-))
>> To: "Elecraft" 
>> Message-ID: <2010041917.2a58c58...@gw1.nlenet.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:16:58 -0400, Terry Posey wrote:
>>
>> >ALS600 with the Linear Power supply, AD5X Full Break In mod and an
>> >external bandswitching accessory plus an MFJ998 would come in
>> >considerably under the $2,000 price.
>>
>> Do I understand that you are equating MFJ with Elecraft?
>> That's quite a
>> stretch! While I have great respect for W8JI's engineering,
>> that does not
>> extend to MFJ's manufacturing, and Ameritron has common
>> ownership with MFJ.
>> :)
>>
>> I can also buy at least twenty different models of 100 watt
>> HF transceiver
>> for much less than the cost of a K3. Yet I OWN two K3s.
>>
>> I just returned from Visalia. The exhibit hall included large booths
>> showing Icom and Yaesu rigs. The Elecraft booth was JAMMED
>> from the minute
>> the doors opened until they closed. The Yaesu and Icom booths
>> had only
>> modest traffic, and were oftn next to deserted.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim K9YC
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-20 Thread AD6XY

"The fcc requires amplifier gain to be 15 decibels maximum for any amatuer
radio amplifier. "

What a stupid regulation! On the one hand you are allowed 1500W and on the
other only 15dB gain? It makes no sense. Presumably one of the CB
regulations.

A gain of 15 dB is reasonable for a single stage FET amplifier I agree. 
Does the FCC also forbid operating amplifiers in series?

Mike
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[Elecraft] K3 - KPAIO3 'Puller'

2010-04-20 Thread Tom Hammond
Recently, I had to open up my K3 in order to perform a bit of 
preventive maintenance, on the KPAIO3 PC board.  This is the small PC 
board which interfaces the KPA3 100W amp assembly to the RF board in 
the Elecraft K3 HF transceiver.

The job started off easy enough... remove the top cover, remove the 
rear cooling fan assembly, remove the KPA3 PC board... I mean, it was 
an easy thing to do... a small PC board... couldn't be all THAT 
difficult to pull it straight up and out of the case, 
right?  WRONG!  In order to ensure that the KPA3 doesn't accidentally 
come loose during transport and handling, Elecraft chose to use some 
REALLY husky dual-row multi-pin 'hi retention' headers to attach the 
KPAIO3 to the RF board, and the same headers to attach the KPA3 to 
the KPAIO3.  The only difference is that if you must remove the KPA3 
from the clutches of the KPAIO3, you have a bit more available 'real 
estate' to grasp (and pry) on than you do when it comes to removing 
the KAPIO3 board.  In fact, there was a point in time that I was 
absolutely certain that my KPAIO3 had been soldered directly to the 
RF board, it was that tightly held in place.

Before I went too far and found myself ripping the guts of the RF 
board out (because my KPAIO3 really WAS soldered to the RF board), I 
called Elecraft and spoke with one of their techs who was very 
familiar with the K3.  Let me digress just a bit here... I did build 
my K3 from a kit, but being serial #8 (and one of the first K3's 
out of Aptos), it had been quite a while since the assembly, and I 
didn't recall whether I'd installed my KPAIO3 or whether it'd been 
pre-installed at the factory... so I called to confirm my 
suspicions... that it really DID plug in.

The tech assured me that it did plug into the RF board and he agreed 
that it was a 'bear' to remove.  He suggested 'wiggling' the PC board 
(front-to-back) as I lifted it up, ever so gradually allowing it to 
'work' itself out of the death grip of the two headers.  I considered 
that scenario, but didn't care for the 'wiggling' part, feeling that 
this only contributed to a possibly fractured PC board joint on one 
(or more) of the header pins...

The tech also suggested using some 'heavy wire' to make a loop to go 
through two (2) available  (and unused) holes in the KPAIO3 PC board, 
with the loop tied together so I could lift on it and pull the PC 
board straight out.

THIS IDEA I LIKED...!

I did a quick search of the shack and found little heavy wire, BUT I 
did manage to locate what turned out to be a length of 0.125" (1/8") 
O.D. aluminum welding rod.

I checked that the rod just barely passed through the (2) holes in 
the KPAIO3 PC board and was gratified to find that it did.

I then took a few measurements and bent the rod into the lift bracket 
shown below (note that the two vertical legs are different lengths), 
cutting off the excess rod length after the final bend had been 
made.  I then used a fine file to smooth out any 'dings' I might have 
created in the two short 'feet' of the lift bracket, to ensure that 
they would insert easily into the two PC board holes.

Now, all I have to do is to slip the two 'feet' of the lifting 
bracket into the holes of the KPAIO3 PC board, grip the lifting 
bracket AND the top bar of the K3 rear panel and squeeze my 
hand!  The PC board pops out cleanly and quite easily.  And much more 
safely than were I to have to 'wiggle' things back 'n forth.

While I don't expect everyone to have 1/8" O.D. aluminum welding rod 
on hand, I'm pretty certain that the same device could be made using 
a fairly heavy gauge metal clothes hangar.  The IMPORTANT thing is, 
when using this device, keep the main body of the lifting bracket up 
flush against the PC board,  thereby reducing the stress on the feet 
and keeping them from bending.

A PDF with this article and dimensional illustrations of the KPAIO3 
Puller is available on my web site at:

   http://www.n0ss.net/index_k3.html

more specifically:

   http://www.n0ss.net/kpaio3_pcb_puller_v1r1.pdf

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding negative side of power supply?

2010-04-20 Thread Tom W8JI


I'm not so sure we aren't getting carried away with our own 
interpretation of NEC rules here. We also have to apply a 
little technical "common sense" to our systems.

I have antennas and towers scatter over thousands of feet 
distance. It would be totally worthless and physically 
impossible to bond the ground rods on my antennas to my 
mains ground. The additional protection to my house and 
equipment, and to people, would be zero.

In addition to no improvement in protection, the 
effectiveness of the low-noise antennas would be greatly 
decreased.

Then we have to consider odds that power lines, trees, and 
our large towers would be ignored by lightning and a small 
ten-foot-tall  twenty-foot-long, antenna would be struck. If 
it were struck, where would the majority charges move? In 
the feeder to the house. If the feeder ground were bonded to 
the mains ground at the building entrance, the safety issue 
for people and the dwelling is closed at that point. The 
ground at the dwelling entrance, that is mandated by NEC to 
be bonded to the mains ground, is key to safety. Not the 
critical signal ground at some backyard clothesline antenna.

I also frequently hear that "insurance disallowed" 
statement. If insurance was "disallowed" for a NEC safety or 
rule violation, very few claims would ever be paid. In my 
entire life I can't recall having a claim denied because of 
something like this. I would bet well over half of  Ham 
stations lack a proper entrance or station ground bonded to 
the mains ground, but I don't recall ever knowing of a claim 
disallowed for that gross error.

73 Tom 

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500` (flux leakage)

2010-04-20 Thread Tom W8JI
Some years ago I received a complaint from W4ZV about 
spurious signals offset about 1 kHz or so on my Icom 751A. 
There was no amplitude modulation of the carrier visible on 
scope, yet Bill could easily hear the spurs.

It turned out the toroidal transformer in the 751A internal 
power supply had enough flux leakage to change the reactance 
of the VCO coils that were about 3 inches from the toroid. 
The rig was being FM modulated. I rotated the power supply 
90 or 180 degrees and the problem went away.

At radio frequencies using a red "-2" mix, there can be 
almost 30% change in inductance from spreading or bunching 
turns in a coil. This is from core flux leakage. I've had 
low pass filters put ripples in an adjacent filter when the 
toroids get too close. These cores are largely touted as 
"self-shielding" in our handbooks.

I'd be very careful accepting broad general statements 
without looking at the specific case in question.

73 Tom








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Re: [Elecraft] P3 color selection (was Re: time to order your P3, design details?)

2010-04-20 Thread Alan Bloom
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:56 -0700, Kok Chen wrote:
> This web page is intended for web designers, but is useful for designing any 
> color based user interface:
> 
> http://www.iamcal.com/toys/colors/

Here's another one that does it a different way.  (Click on "Vision
Simulation" near the upper right corner.)

http://colorschemedesigner.com/

Alan N1AL


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