[Elecraft] K3 Diversity with 2 RX antennas

2014-05-22 Thread Ken Widelitz
How would I set up the K3 in diversity mode with two different RX only
antennas? One to the RX antenna and one to the AUX RF? Would going into
diversity mode with that setup get me one RX antenna in one ear and the
other RX antenna in the other?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

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Re: [Elecraft] Band Data

2014-05-22 Thread Igor Sokolov

Is SPE 1.3K-FA already being shipped to customers?
If it is similar to 1K-FA I would better use CAT control instead of band 
data. Makes the amp switching while K3 is in RX mode.


73, Igor UA9CDC

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To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Subject: [Elecraft] Band Data



When you switch bands on the K3, is Band Data available to the user ?
Is that data written down anywhere, that I can get to ?

Reason I ask, is I want to investigate building an interface between the 
K3

and the SPE 1.3K-FA Amp to facilitate automatic bandswitching on the Amp.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity with 2 RX antennas

2014-05-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ken,

Yes, that is how you would set it up - you need to select RX ANT for 
both the ain and the SUB.  And yes, you hear what is on the main in one 
ear and what is on the SubRX in the other ear (unless you mix them with 
the L-MIX-R settings in the CONFIG menu).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2014 6:05 AM, Ken Widelitz wrote:

How would I set up the K3 in diversity mode with two different RX only
antennas? One to the RX antenna and one to the AUX RF? Would going into
diversity mode with that setup get me one RX antenna in one ear and the
other RX antenna in the other?

  


73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

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[Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency instability

2014-05-22 Thread kj7rt

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[Elecraft] VE7FMN Cooler KX3 Heat Sink

2014-05-22 Thread Stan Rowe
I received Fred's Cooler KX3 heat sink a few days ago and it arrived in
perfect condition. Fred has a very clever packaging technique for the heat
sink so that it fits in a US Priority Mail box on the diagonal.  I was
pleased with his creativity to ensure that the heat sink came through the
mail without a blemish.

 

Others have commented on the ease of installation and performance, and I am
experiencing similar results so will not repeat that here.

Stan - K6VWE

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[Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread kj7rt
I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.

When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
just below 10 MHz.

I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.

My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.


Thanks,

Gary Marklund
KJ7RT
Sun City, AZ
USA

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[Elecraft] Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

2014-05-22 Thread Michael Walker
All

My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.

In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail on
actually interfacing on the RS232 port.  From what little I can read, I see
it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
configuration.

Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
handles band changes.

I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
solution.

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity with 2 RX antennas

2014-05-22 Thread d...@lightstream.net
Ken,

Yes, that is exactly the way to do it, and that still allows you to
transmit through the main antenna. So in other words, you would select RX
ANT for the main receiver, and be sure to select the AUX input for the
sub-receiver (while b SET is engaged, tap the ANT button on the K3 to
alternate between MAIN and AUX and be sure you leave it on AUX.) I
operate this way on both 40m and 30m with a Pixel Technologies loop
connected to the AUX input, and a small voltage probe RX antenna connected
to the RX ANT input of the K3, while using a ground plane vertical as the
main transmit antenna.

Depending upon the amount of power you're using, and the proximity of the
rx antennas to the tx antenna, you may want to consider adding some
outboard rx protection. I use the Array Solutions Model AS-RXFEP, and it
works very well.

73, Dale
WA8SRA



 How would I set up the K3 in diversity mode with two different RX only
 antennas? One to the RX antenna and one to the AUX RF? Would going into
 diversity mode with that setup get me one RX antenna in one ear and the
 other RX antenna in the other?



 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Phil Genera
This doesn't answer your question, but I was able to use the 5th harmonic
of my thunderbolt without trouble.

-- 
Phil


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM, kj...@kj7rt.com wrote:

 I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
 Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
 XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.

 When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
 reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
 minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
 49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
 of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
 just below 10 MHz.

 I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
 home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
 although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.

 My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
 of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.


 Thanks,

 Gary Marklund
 KJ7RT
 Sun City, AZ
 USA

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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I would try putting something around the oscillator (Styrofoamm etc)



 From: kj...@kj7rt.com kj...@kj7rt.com
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:31 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability
 

I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.

When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
just below 10 MHz.

I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.

My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.


Thanks,

Gary Marklund
KJ7RT
Sun City, AZ
USA

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ
Thanks for the response. The solution is simple. N1MM appears no to support the 
KX3 (K2 and K3) Command Set in full.
If you want to avoid the double slashes // in callsigns, you have to use the 
standard N1MM key commands and a Keying interface like WinKeyer USB. More to 
carry if you go portable, but may be easier if you participate in a CW contest.

73 and enjoy the forthcoming WPX CW contest.
OZ7BQ Hans Jørgen (Joe).
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/22/2014 8:50 AM, Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ wrote:

If you want to avoid the double slashes // in callsigns, you have to use the 
standard N1MM key commands and a Keying interface like WinKeyer USB.


Does the KX3 not support CW via DTR?

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Edward R Cole

Gary,

I used my XG3 for doing the temperature compensation procedure and 
continuously monitored its frequency with my EIP538 counter (has TCXO 
reference).  I ran the XG3 from external 13.5v to ensure constant 
level and had it running 30-minutes in advance to ensure it was 
stabilized.  I noted only about +/- 1 to 2 Hz variation in the signal 
during the whole procedure.  My attempts to use the 5th overtone of 
my 10-MHz OCXO was unsuccessful due to the harmonic level not being 
high enough.  I didn't try banging a diode to produce higher level harmonics.


I am fairly satisfied the XG3 was adequately good enough for doing 
the procedure.  I suspect your A/C is causing a cold draft producing 
the drift you are seeing.  Try enclosing in inside an insulated 
box.  We have no A/C here in Alaska.  If it gets warm enough we open 
what are called windows!  But I used to live in SoCal so understand 
the need down there!


73, Ed - KL7UW

--snip
My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.

Thanks,

Gary Marklund
KJ7RT
Sun City, AZ
USA


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Alan Bloom
50-60 kHz instability of a 49 MHz source is over 1000 ppm, two or three 
orders of magnitude greater than would be expected, even with air 
conditioning blowing across the oscillator.  There must be something 
wrong with the XG50, or perhaps some problem with the frequency measurement.


Alan N1AL


On 05/22/2014 07:31 AM, kj...@kj7rt.com wrote:

I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.

When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
just below 10 MHz.

I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.

My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.


Thanks,

Gary Marklund
KJ7RT
Sun City, AZ
USA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity with 2 RX antennas

2014-05-22 Thread Oliver Dröse


No. You need to select RX ANT on one RX and AUX on the other RX. 
Otherwise you will hear the same signal in both ears, namely that of the 
RX ANT input. ;-)


73, Olli - DH8BQA

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Am 22.05.2014 14:15, schrieb Don Wilhelm:

Ken,

Yes, that is how you would set it up - you need to select RX ANT for 
both the ain and the SUB.  And yes, you hear what is on the main in 
one ear and what is on the SubRX in the other ear (unless you mix them 
with the L-MIX-R settings in the CONFIG menu).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2014 6:05 AM, Ken Widelitz wrote:

How would I set up the K3 in diversity mode with two different RX only
antennas? One to the RX antenna and one to the AUX RF? Would going into
diversity mode with that setup get me one RX antenna in one ear and the
other RX antenna in the other?


73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread David Anderson
It could be the low level of the XG50 is not enough to trigger the counter 
properly. I think I found a similar problem and had to use a scope probe on the 
counter and put it before the output attenuator on the XG50.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 22 May 2014, at 15:31, kj...@kj7rt.com wrote:
 
 I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
 Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
 XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.
 
 When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
 reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
 minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
 49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
 of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
 just below 10 MHz.
 
 I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
 home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
 although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.
 
 My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
 of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gary Marklund
 KJ7RT
 Sun City, AZ
 USA
 
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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Chip Stratton
Though I'm sure you want to be sure the XG-50 is working well, I second
Phil's recommendation to use your Trimble Thunderbolt as your frequency
source. Worked fine for me, there was a very strong 5th harmonic at 50 mHz,
even after inserting an inline attenuator.

Chip
AE5KA


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 It could be the low level of the XG50 is not enough to trigger the counter
 properly. I think I found a similar problem and had to use a scope probe on
 the counter and put it before the output attenuator on the XG50.

 73

 David Anderson GM4JJJ

  On 22 May 2014, at 15:31, kj...@kj7rt.com wrote:
 
  I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
  Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
  XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.
 
  When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
  reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
  minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
  49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
  of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
  just below 10 MHz.
 
  I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
  home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
  although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.
 
  My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
  of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Gary Marklund
  KJ7RT
  Sun City, AZ
  USA
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

2014-05-22 Thread Jack Brindle
Mike;

First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific purpose 
and don’t actually work together.

How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether 
there is a computer in the 
situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for information. 
Since this is a remote base, can we
assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio? If 
so, then you need to set up the 
KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to 
fabricate a Y adapter for this. In 
the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only need 
pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8 
connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to allow the 
radio to send data on the
RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if it is 
the KPA will simply ignore it.
Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set the 
station up without a computer,
you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.

As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved with 
this situation. You will
need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the 
appropriate data rate. Finally,
since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If there 
is nothing doing the polling,
you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.

With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you did 
mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.

I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500. Make 
sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go through 
the KRC2 without making
changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the 
handshake pins and then jumper
across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from one 
DE9 to the other. Then set the
serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do 4800, 
9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port, which 
means 19200 bps.
You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors and 
try things out.

Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for the 
TS480. I think it is that pin, but
will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W jumpers. 
I’ll also take a look and privately
email you what I come up with.

Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering


On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote:

 All
 
 My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
 
 In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail on
 actually interfacing on the RS232 port.  From what little I can read, I see
 it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
 configuration.
 
 Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
 handles band changes.
 
 I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
 solution.
 
 Mike va3mw
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[Elecraft] KX3 with N1MM on CW and slashes

2014-05-22 Thread John Lawrence via Elecraft


I just got my KX3 working wonderfully with N1MM for CW using an imported break 
out
module that's plug and play with my KX3 or K3.  The SUCCI-R via EBay came
in less than a week and allowed me to connect the three terminal serial adapter 
jack from USB
to ACC1 on the KX3 or a DB9 on the K3  taking TX/RX data but the CW key and PTT 
are broken out on RCA 
jack with Opto isolation.  Great little unit for under $50 and received in less 
than a 
week from Bulgaria.  As offered via Ebay, it's enclosed in a little metal box.  
Neat!
Vesko, LZ5VK has a web site too. http://www.kotarov.com/projects/succi


N1MM in CW and Data sends slash just fine for me.  I use the DTR keying line


John, W1QS
 





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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Alan Hawrylyshen
There’s no DTR. It is a 3 line / RX/TX/GND interface…. so it seems that DTR 
based CW is out of the question.
Alan
K2ACK
M0WTH

On 22 May 2014, at 08:58, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 Does the KX3 not support CW via DTR?
On 22 May 2014, at 08:58, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 On 5/22/2014 8:50 AM, Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ wrote:
 If you want to avoid the double slashes // in callsigns, you have to use the 
 standard N1MM key commands and a Keying interface like WinKeyer USB.
 
 Does the KX3 not support CW via DTR?
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Heatsink confusion

2014-05-22 Thread Kenneth A Christiansen
Hi Phil

The times you would need a heatsink is when running PSK31, RTTY, AM and FM. 
These are all continuous duty and make the KX3 produce heat faster than it can 
be dissipated. I tend to rag chew on PSK31 so I added the large heat sink by 
VE7FMN to my KX3. I had to run a 3 inch fan before to work PSK31 but now with 
that heat sink I do not need the fan. I did use Radio Shack Heat Sink Compound 
276-255 under the two final transistors and under the new heat sink. I don't 
know if it is needed but after 35 years of doing that kind of work I consider 
that to be standard procedure.

I never had any problem running CW or SSB with the KX3 causing overheating 
although I understand if you place the KX3 in bright sun lite it will overheat 
even in receive mode. That is because the black color absorbs sunlight heat. I 
have had other equipment such as handy talkies get too hot under the same 
sunlight conditions. 

I hope this information helps. If you work only SSB and CW don't worry about 
it. if you work a continuous duty mode I think VE7FMN has the best heat sink 
and he sure worked well with me as I do not belong to Pay Pall so he had to 
accept a money order. We exchanged several E-Mails and as I said he was great 
to do business with me.

73

Ken W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

Sent from my iPad

 On May 21, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
 When do you need the heatsink?  Is this primarily for DATA modes?
 
 I use my KX3 at 10 watts when in the shack and I use it portable at 5 watts 
 or 10 watts when I carry along my external Li battery packs.  
 
 I have never noticed any overheating and I believe that it is because I don't 
 do any DATA modes at all.  About 99 percent of my portable work is CW only -- 
 and usually not very many ragchews thus briefer QSOs.
 
 So, is this product primarily for DATA mode users?  
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
 
 
 On May 21, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Howard Hoyt hh...@mebtel.net wrote:
 
 Doug Ellmore/NA1DX wrote:
 
 I received my PAE-Kx31 heatsink from Fred VE7FMN (fsme...@telus.net)
 
 Fred and I haven't formed a joint partnership yet, so you have a heatsink 
 from one or the other of us!  lolol
 
 Both do the job vis-a-vis JT65 with differing attributes otherwise.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Howie - WA4PSC
 www.proaudioeng.com
 mfgr of the PAE-Kx31 Heatsink Kit
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

2014-05-22 Thread Michael Walker
Hi Jack

Thanks for the detailed reply.  Yep, I am aware of all the RS232 gotchas
with the KRC2.  :)  I have mine wired to handle the handshaking as well.

Making the KPA500 a Passive listener should be just fine.  I can then also
watch the amp on the RS232 port separately.

73, Mike va3mw



On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:

 Mike;

 First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific
 purpose and don’t actually work together.

 How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether
 there is a computer in the
 situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for
 information. Since this is a remote base, can we
 assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio?
 If so, then you need to set up the
 KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to
 fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
 the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only
 need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
 connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to
 allow the radio to send data on the
 RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if
 it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
 Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set
 the station up without a computer,
 you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.

 As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved
 with this situation. You will
 need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the
 appropriate data rate. Finally,
 since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If
 there is nothing doing the polling,
 you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.

 With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you
 did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.

 I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500.
 Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
 go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go
 through the KRC2 without making
 changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the
 handshake pins and then jumper
 across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from
 one DE9 to the other. Then set the
 serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do
 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
 firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port,
 which means 19200 bps.
 You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors
 and try things out.

 Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for
 the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
 will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W
 jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
 email you what I come up with.

 Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!

 73,

 Jack Brindle, W6FB
 Elecraft Engineering


 On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote:

  All
 
  My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
 
  In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail
 on
  actually interfacing on the RS232 port.  From what little I can read, I
 see
  it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
  configuration.
 
  Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
  handles band changes.
 
  I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
  solution.
 
  Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability

2014-05-22 Thread Mark via Elecraft
David Anderson GM4JJJ wrote:  It could be the low level of the XG50 is not 
enough to trigger the counter properly. 


I suspect you are correct, David.  The XG50 output is spec’d at 10mv p-p and, 
as an example, an HP 5315 counter requires 25mv rms between 10Mhz and 100Mhz.  
Not sure which HP counter kj7rt was using, though.






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ars: KE6BB​​​
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[Elecraft] N0SS website is still on-line

2014-05-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Hello all,

Those who remember Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) will likely recall that he had 
a wealth of information related to Elecraft and other ham radio things 
on his website.


I was delighted to find out when at Dayton that this website is still 
available.  It has been replicated under the MMARC website - that is the 
club that Tom belonged to Mid Missouri Amateur Radio Club.
You can go to http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/ and click on the N0SS box in 
the lower left corner or use the direct link 
http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/.


Note that this is a static website, no boards or kits mentioned are 
available, but Tom documented his board patterns nicely for those who 
might want to roll your own.


Now that I know where to find the website, I will be updating the 
external links on my website that referred to Tom's information.


My thanks go out to the MMARC for preserving this information. Owners of 
the Elecraft K1, KX1, K2 and K3 especially will find a lot of helpful 
information.  RIP Tom and Jeri.


73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
I understand that the KX3 does not have the K-3's built in CW and PTT 
interfaces on the RS-232 port, but it is really trivial to take off the 
DTR and RTS lines from the RS-232 cable and through a couple of 
one-transistor, one-resistor interfaces to the appropriate ports


73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

On 5/22/2014 11:50 AM, Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ wrote:

Thanks for the response. The solution is simple. N1MM appears no to support the 
KX3 (K2 and K3) Command Set in full.
If you want to avoid the double slashes // in callsigns, you have to use the 
standard N1MM key commands and a Keying interface like WinKeyer USB. More to 
carry if you go portable, but may be easier if you participate in a CW contest.

73 and enjoy the forthcoming WPX CW contest.
OZ7BQ Hans Jørgen (Joe).
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/22/2014 10:03 AM, Alan Hawrylyshen wrote:

There’s no DTR. It is a 3 line / RX/TX/GND interface…. so it seems that DTR 
based CW is out of the question.


Yeah, I thought of that after posting. :)  It does seem, though, that it 
ought to be practical to take DTR from a real serial port or a USB to 
DB9 serial adapter and feed that to the KX3. I think that precludes 
using a paddle though. Wayne -- is there something you can do about this?


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/22/2014 12:51 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
I understand that the KX3 does not have the K-3's built in CW and PTT 
interfaces on the RS-232 port, but it is really trivial to take off 
the DTR and RTS lines from the RS-232 cable and through a couple of 
one-transistor, one-resistor interfaces to the appropriate ports


Yes, I've built several of them.  The tricky part, though, is 
simultaneously interfacing a paddle to send fills.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

2014-05-22 Thread Rick Bates, WA6NHC
Mmm, have to watch that greeting Hi Jack around an airport...  Might get you 
in trouble.

Using the KPA utility (or the remote server, haven't used it) works well for 
this, if you're running something like TeamViewer to control the home station 
computer (and then the radio).  That's what I do on the K line, everything is 
accessible on a laptop, iPad, iPhone, Nook (well you get the idea).  SUPER 
slick and I can even 'see' the P3 because I leave the web cam pointing at it 
before I leave (via Skype, same as the audio).  Pure nerd food.  ;o)

73 Mike, nice to see you on this group too,
Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

 On May 22, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote:
 
 Hi Jack
 
 Thanks for the detailed reply.  Yep, I am aware of all the RS232 gotchas
 with the KRC2.  :)  I have mine wired to handle the handshaking as well.
 
 Making the KPA500 a Passive listener should be just fine.  I can then also
 watch the amp on the RS232 port separately.
 
 73, Mike va3mw
 
 
 
 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:
 
 Mike;
 
 First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific
 purpose and don’t actually work together.
 
 How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether
 there is a computer in the
 situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for
 information. Since this is a remote base, can we
 assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio?
 If so, then you need to set up the
 KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to
 fabricate a Y adapter for this. In
 the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only
 need pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8
 connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to
 allow the radio to send data on the
 RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if
 it is the KPA will simply ignore it.
 Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set
 the station up without a computer,
 you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.
 
 As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved
 with this situation. You will
 need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the
 appropriate data rate. Finally,
 since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If
 there is nothing doing the polling,
 you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.
 
 With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you
 did mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.
 
 I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500.
 Make sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
 go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go
 through the KRC2 without making
 changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the
 handshake pins and then jumper
 across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from
 one DE9 to the other. Then set the
 serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do
 4800, 9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
 firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port,
 which means 19200 bps.
 You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors
 and try things out.
 
 Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for
 the TS480. I think it is that pin, but
 will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W
 jumpers. I’ll also take a look and privately
 email you what I come up with.
 
 Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!
 
 73,
 
 Jack Brindle, W6FB
 Elecraft Engineering
 
 
 On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote:
 
 All
 
 My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
 
 In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail
 on
 actually interfacing on the RS232 port.  From what little I can read, I
 see
 it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
 configuration.
 
 Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
 handles band changes.
 
 I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
 solution.
 
 Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Interfacing TS480 to KPA500

2014-05-22 Thread WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
I have found while trying to interface the TS-480SAT with my computer and my 
SPE Expert 1K that I have not been able to make everything work the way it does 
with my K3.  The RS-232 port on the TS-480 seems to want the computer to be the 
master and if connected to the computer it does not spontaneously transmit 
data.  So, if the TS-480 is connected to the amp directly with the RTS and DTS 
shorted it works with the amp but will not accept CAT data from the computer.  
If it is connected directly to an RS-232 port on the computer the TS-480 will 
not send data to the amp. If you unplug the computer and plug in the amp, the 
data goes to the amp or the data from the computer will go to the amp and the 
TS-480.  It is a bit difficult to grasp, but the bottom line with both amp and 
computer connected any command to change bands from the computer is executed in 
both the transceiver and the amp, but any commands to change frequency from the 
TS-480 are not
 executed until you transmit and the frequency counter in the Expert detects 
the new frequency.  I do not know how this compares with the KPA-500.  My K3 
has a band decoder in the accessory plug and will change the amp band when the 
band is changed either by a K3 control or by the Computer.  I will enjoy 
following this thread to find out where you go with this.  RS-232 seems to be 
so flexible that each new combination of equipment is an adventure.


 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
On Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:23 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:
 


Mike;

First, the KPA serial ports are _not_ pass-through. Each has a specific purpose 
and don’t actually work together.

How you set up the XCVR serial port connection depends entirely on whether 
there is a computer in the 
situation or not, and whether that computer polls the radio for information. 
Since this is a remote base, can we
assume that a computer is involved and it is getting info from the radio? If 
so, then you need to set up the 
KPA500 so that it simply eavesdrops on the conversation. You will need to 
fabricate a Y adapter for this. In 
the case of the KPA all signals can go through, but realistically you only need 
pins 2, 3, 5 and (I believe) 8 
connected. Pin 8 is the handshake pin for the TS480, and is needed to allow the 
radio to send data on the
RS-232 port. It does not need to be connected to the KPA500 port, but if it is 
the KPA will simply ignore it.
Note that the KPA does not make a connection to that pin, so if you set the 
station up without a computer,
you will need to provide +12V for that signal to allow the TS480 to talk.

As the manual indicates on page 12, there are three menu items involved with 
this situation. You will
need to set the RADIO item to SERIAL, then set the RS232 X item to the 
appropriate data rate. Finally,
since the computer is polling the radio for data, set SER POLL to OFF. If there 
is nothing doing the polling,
you will need to set this item to ON to allow the KPA to do this task.

With this setup, things should work just fine. But we aren’t finished, you did 
mention a KRC2, so let’s discuss that.

I would suggest inserting the KRC2 in between the TS-480 and the KPA500. Make 
sure that only pins 2, 3 and 5
go to the KRC2 ports. That pesky TS480 handshake signal should not go through 
the KRC2 without making
changes inside the KRC2. What changes? Disconnect the W jumpers for the 
handshake pins and then jumper
across the connector side of the pins so that the signal gets passed from one 
DE9 to the other. Then set the
serial port data rate jumpers for the appropriate rate. The KRC2 can do 4800, 
9600 and 19200 bps with the V1.6
firmware. You probably want to run as fast as you can on the serial port, which 
means 19200 bps.
You can then plug the serial port cables into their appropriate connectors and 
try things out.

Be sure to check to make sure that pin 8 is the handshake pin needed for the 
TS480. I think it is that pin, but
will need to check it. Also look at the KRC2 manual for the proper W jumpers. 
I’ll also take a look and privately
email you what I come up with.

Your station should work quite well in this configuration. Good luck!

73,

Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering


On May 22, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote:

 All
 
 My remote base runs on a TS480 and I will be adding a KPA500 to the mix.
 
 In going over the documentation, I find that there is very little detail on
 actually interfacing on the RS232 port.  From what little I can read, I see
 it is as simple as plug it in and go, or am I missing something in the
 configuration.
 
 Can I pass RS232 signal through the Amp or is it a passive listener and
 handles band changes.
 
 I will also be using a KRC2 to change filters and antennas in the same
 solution.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Ross Primrose N4RP

All it takes is a Y-adapter

73, Ross N4RP

On 5/22/2014 4:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote:


Yes, I've built several of them. The tricky part, though, is 
simultaneously interfacing a paddle to send fills.




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[Elecraft] USE PTT message

2014-05-22 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Hello

 

I have a new K3 and when I want to send a message (M1 to M4 buttons) I have
a message in the display “USE PTT”. I need to activate the VOX to be able to
send the messages

 

I have another K3 and in this one, I don´t need to have VOX ON to send the
messages

 

I just finished to check ALL MENU and CONFIG functions and they are exactly
equal

 

So why this difference with the two K3´s?

 

I really want the new K3 to send messages with VOX OFF like my old K3 do

 

73,

Jorge

CX6VM/CW5W

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[Elecraft] FS: 2m K144XV reference lock board

2014-05-22 Thread Jim Lowman

Anyone doing digital modes on 2m with the K3?

I have a K144RFLK/K144XV reference lock board for sale.
It is new in its original packaging - never opened.

Elecraft sells these for $89.95.  I'll take $70, shipped.

73 de Jim - AD6CW
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[Elecraft] Stackable Binding Post (BNC-BP)

2014-05-22 Thread Joshua Gould
Greetings,

I have yet another question...  I've decided that I'm going to get the KX3,
KXAT3, and the MH3 and am trying to now nail down the other options that I
will purchase, vs what I will add at a later date.

One of the things I'm looking at is the Stackable binding posts.  The way I
read this is that I can just use a random length wire (provided that it is
a 1/4 wavelength on some band), hook it to the radio and just get on the
air...

Is that an apt description of what this adaptor is for?

I would like to thank the group for answering my questions, and helping me
in my decision making.

Thanks and 73,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
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Re: [Elecraft] Stackable Binding Post (BNC-BP)

2014-05-22 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Joshua,

That is exactly how I use it.  Works well with a quarter-wave wire and
a counterpoise.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Thu, 22 May 2014 19:52:32 -0400, you wrote:

Greetings,

I have yet another question...  I've decided that I'm going to get the KX3,
KXAT3, and the MH3 and am trying to now nail down the other options that I
will purchase, vs what I will add at a later date.

One of the things I'm looking at is the Stackable binding posts.  The way I
read this is that I can just use a random length wire (provided that it is
a 1/4 wavelength on some band), hook it to the radio and just get on the
air...

Is that an apt description of what this adaptor is for?

I would like to thank the group for answering my questions, and helping me
in my decision making.

Thanks and 73,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
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Re: [Elecraft] Stackable Binding Post (BNC-BP)

2014-05-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joshua,

You will want to use 2 - 1/4 wavelength wires - one for the radiator and 
the other for a counterpoise.
It may work with just the radiator wire, but then the 'counterpoise' 
will be the case of the transceiver and your body and anywhere else the 
RF return path thinks it needs to be.  With the counterpoise wire in 
place, that provides the RF return path and eliminates changes in tuning 
(SWR variation) depending on where you position the transceiver and your 
body.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2014 7:52 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:

Greetings,

I have yet another question...  I've decided that I'm going to get the KX3,
KXAT3, and the MH3 and am trying to now nail down the other options that I
will purchase, vs what I will add at a later date.

One of the things I'm looking at is the Stackable binding posts.  The way I
read this is that I can just use a random length wire (provided that it is
a 1/4 wavelength on some band), hook it to the radio and just get on the
air...

Is that an apt description of what this adaptor is for?

I would like to thank the group for answering my questions, and helping me
in my decision making.




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Re: [Elecraft] Stackable Binding Post (BNC-BP)

2014-05-22 Thread Walter Underwood
A wire laying on the ground will have more capacitive loading and will 
electrically longer, so it can be shorter than a 1/4 wave.

But all this depends on lots of assumptions, so just throw some wire out there 
and have fun. One common random length is a 26' foot wire in the air and a 
16' wire on the ground.

wunder
K6WRU
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On May 22, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Joshua,
 
 You will want to use 2 - 1/4 wavelength wires - one for the radiator and the 
 other for a counterpoise.
 It may work with just the radiator wire, but then the 'counterpoise' will 
 be the case of the transceiver and your body and anywhere else the RF return 
 path thinks it needs to be.  With the counterpoise wire in place, that 
 provides the RF return path and eliminates changes in tuning (SWR variation) 
 depending on where you position the transceiver and your body.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 5/22/2014 7:52 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 I have yet another question...  I've decided that I'm going to get the KX3,
 KXAT3, and the MH3 and am trying to now nail down the other options that I
 will purchase, vs what I will add at a later date.
 
 One of the things I'm looking at is the Stackable binding posts.  The way I
 read this is that I can just use a random length wire (provided that it is
 a 1/4 wavelength on some band), hook it to the radio and just get on the
 air...
 
 Is that an apt description of what this adaptor is for?
 
 I would like to thank the group for answering my questions, and helping me
 in my decision making.
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Nr4c
I had a friend (Dino KL0S) wire this up with two transistor switches in a DB-9 
shell.  Makes the KX3 look like a K3 to n1mm. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


 On May 22, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:
 
 On 5/22/2014 10:03 AM, Alan Hawrylyshen wrote:
 There’s no DTR. It is a 3 line / RX/TX/GND interface…. so it seems that DTR 
 based CW is out of the question.
 
 Yeah, I thought of that after posting. :)  It does seem, though, that it 
 ought to be practical to take DTR from a real serial port or a USB to DB9 
 serial adapter and feed that to the KX3. I think that precludes using a 
 paddle though. Wayne -- is there something you can do about this?
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM and keying KX3. What happens to the slashes // Solved

2014-05-22 Thread Nr4c
Simple two by two tenth inch plugs wired to a 3.5mm inline jack for front 
paddle plug. Pinout on Fred's book. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


 On May 22, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:
 
 On 5/22/2014 12:51 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
 I understand that the KX3 does not have the K-3's built in CW and PTT 
 interfaces on the RS-232 port, but it is really trivial to take off the DTR 
 and RTS lines from the RS-232 cable and through a couple of one-transistor, 
 one-resistor interfaces to the appropriate ports
 
 Yes, I've built several of them.  The tricky part, though, is simultaneously 
 interfacing a paddle to send fills.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability - Resolved

2014-05-22 Thread kj7rt
First I want to thank those that pointed out that my first two postings
didn't contain message content, probably due to using HTML. You were
right, I changed the default for this email program to plain text.

Second thank you to the responders that suggested solutions to my
instability non-problem. Turns out it was the input level to the HP
5334A. Adjustment of the counter nailed it pretty close. Stabilized at
49.38 MHz +-2 Hz.

73
Gary Marklund
KJ7RT
Sun City, AZ
USA

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 Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 - Frequency Instability
 From: kj...@kj7rt.com
 Date: Thu, May 22, 2014 7:31 am
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net


 I am trying to use my XG50 to run the Extended Temperature Compensation
 Procedure on my KX3. This is the first time I have attempted to use the
 XG50 since building it. I have completed the 8 hour burn-in.

 When I first connect the XG-50 to my HP frequency counter, I get a
 reading of something like 49.379990. Then after running for several
 minutes it starts dropping in frequency to something more like
 49.32. It is still wildly fluctuating. If I connect the 10MHz output
 of my Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO to the counter it stays quite stable
 just below 10 MHz.

 I re-soldered all the XG50 components and tried with both a metered
 home-brew power supply and a 12v SLA battery with the same result
 although re-soldering made a significant but not permanent improvement.

 My lab is in my photographic darkroom which has an ambient temperature
 of about 68 degrees F and the AC does blow across the work area.


 Thanks,

 Gary Marklund
 KJ7RT
 Sun City, AZ
 USA

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[Elecraft] N0SS website is still on-line

2014-05-22 Thread Johnny Siu
Yes, Don, the callsign N0SS is also kept by the club.  I still regret that I 
did not meet Tom in Dayton 2011.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 


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主題︰ [Elecraft] N0SS website is still on-line
  

Hello all,

Those who remember Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) will likely recall that he had 
a wealth of information related to Elecraft and other ham radio things 
on his website.

I was delighted to find out when at Dayton that this website is still 
available.  It has been replicated under the MMARC website - that is the 
club that Tom belonged to Mid Missouri Amateur Radio Club.
You can go to http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/and click on the N0SS box in 
the lower left corner or use the direct link 
http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/.

Note that this is a static website, no boards or kits mentioned are 
available, but Tom documented his board patterns nicely for those who 
might want to roll your own.

Now that I know where to find the website, I will be updating the 
external links on my website that referred to Tom's information.

My thanks go out to the MMARC for preserving this information. Owners of 
the Elecraft K1, KX1, K2 and K3 especially will find a lot of helpful 
information.  RIP Tom and Jeri.

73,
Don W3FPR

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