[Elecraft] K3 RTTY

2014-12-09 Thread Terry Burkholder
Is there any way to use tones other than 2125 to receive RTTY signals? I 
can no longer hear frequencies that high. I know the FT-1000 MP has  a 
menu option to select lower tones for RTTY RX. I can't find any menu 
option in the K3 that allows you to change the RX tones.


73  Terry N4TB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY

2014-12-09 Thread Wes (N7WS)

Sure.  Use the Pitch control.

Be sure to make a commensurate change in the RTTY program; both TX and RX.

Wes  N7WS

On 12/9/2014 4:29 AM, Terry Burkholder wrote:
Is there any way to use tones other than 2125 to receive RTTY signals? I can 
no longer hear frequencies that high. I know the FT-1000 MP has  a menu option 
to select lower tones for RTTY RX. I can't find any menu option in the K3 that 
allows you to change the RX tones.


73  Terry N4TB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer

2014-12-09 Thread Barry
Dauer, Edward wrote
 My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability.
 
 Ted, KN1CBR

Does that mean you're paper logging your contests?
Barry W2UP




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[Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144)

2014-12-09 Thread 7...@comhem.se
Hello,

Does anyone have compare KX3 vs. K3 on 2m with XV-144?

Pros/ cons on either combo?

73' Samir, sm7vzx
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[Elecraft] K3 Buffered output.

2014-12-09 Thread Clive Lorton

Hi,
Is the IF output (which I believe is already buffered) on my K3 sn 8K+ 
suitable to use with a Softrock or should I use an external amp.

Many thanks Clive G8POC
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[Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is 
available form the IF)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Buffered output.

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

Clive,

The K3 IF output is indeed buffered.
However, you may need a preamp in front of the Softrock which will also 
provide reduced chance that the Softrock oscillator will be fed back 
into the K3 IF.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 8:53 AM, Clive Lorton wrote:

Hi,
Is the IF output (which I believe is already buffered) on my K3 sn 8K+ 
suitable to use with a Softrock or should I use an external amp.

Many thanks Clive G8POC


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144)

2014-12-09 Thread David G4DMP
In a recent message, 7...@comhem.se 7...@comhem.se writes
Does anyone have compare KX3 vs. K3 on 2m with XV-144?

Pros/ cons on either combo?

Yes, Samir, I have used both. I like the KX3 and its internal 2m option.
The receiver is very sensitive and as it uses a 50MHz i.f. it covers the
whole of the 2m band (up to 148MHz) comfortably. However, the main
drawback is that the power output on 2m is only about 3.5W and somewhat
less when using internal batteries.

When using the K3 and XV144 combination, with an i.f. of 28MHz the
bandwidth is limited so it can only be used up to 146MHz. The power
output is up to 20W SSB and CW or half that power on AM/FM and data
modes.  One answer is to install the K144XV which switches crystals for
144-146 and 146-148MHz. However, the power is limited to around 10W on
any mode.

Hence, all three systems have their pros and cons. I hope that helps.
Doubtless others will comment.

73 de David G4DMP

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Yes, hopefully when the Sensor Input is activated.  That would be the 
cat's meow or cool, for you 60's types.


73, Chs
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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?


Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much 
as is available form the IF)


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future 
option.  I do not have any information about when it will be available, 
but I would expect it to be sometime soon, there have been several 
recent queries about it on the reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is 
available form the IF)




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[Elecraft] K3 CW QSK: New algorithm ready for test that has virtually no AF artifacts

2014-12-09 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

The latest field-test firmware includes a new CW QSK algorithm that completely 
eliminates the K3's audio keying artifacts sometimes heard on a noisy or 
crowded band. With this algorithm selected, your own transmitted signal sounds 
like just another signal on the band.

If you're an avid CW operator and would like to try this new firmware, please 
email me directly. I'll also send you the technical background on this change.

After we get confirmation that this works for K3 users, we'll be making the 
same change to the KX3.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Phil Wheeler
I have the K1EL K42, Ed. Built it last Spring for 
the fun of it as much as anything. It was a very 
nice kt and the final product seems excellent.


This thread title has been making me chuckle a 
bit: How often do hams ask for bugs in their 
equipment? :-


So I have a weird sense of humor :-)

Phil W7OX

On 12/8/14 9:56 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
I received a K1EL K14 Keyer in the mail from 
Joel, W4BBJ, who offered it to me when I 
reported having trouble learning to use my 
paddle with Iambic keying (using the k3 internal 
keyer).


The K14 offers six keying modes:
1- Iambic-A
2- Iambic-B
3- Ultimatic
4- straight key
5- Dit priority
6- Dash priority

Not sure I would ever use the last two, but I am 
eager to try out Ultimatic mode to see if it 
feels more natural for me.


The plus is 12 programable messages, two 
callsign memories, beacon mode, programmable 
delays, message stacking, etc. etc. with no 
computer.  I'll be able to store five standard 
eme messages with additional memory left.


I can see it running my 6m in beacon and my 
10-GHz beacon with no extra hardware.
Big plus was the two radio connections so I can 
have both my Bencher and straight key available 
for either K3 or KX3 at the throw of a switch.  
Loving it already ;-)


Thanks to Joel for the nice offer - and it looks 
quite nicely assembled!


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
Ouch...  Good thought!  Back to the computer for me.
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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 06:18 -0700, Barry wrote:
 Dauer, Edward wrote
  My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability.
  
  Ted, KN1CBR
 
 Does that mean you're paper logging your contests?
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144)

2014-12-09 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,12/9/2014 7:04 AM, David G4DMP wrote:

When using the K3 and XV144 combination, with an i.f. of 28MHz the
bandwidth is limited so it can only be used up to 146MHz. The power
output is up to 20W SSB and CW or half that power on AM/FM and data
modes.


I'm using that combination. I believe that it has the greatest frequency 
stability of the three. Frequency stability is the shortcoming of the 
KX3 with it's internal transverter, and can be an issue with JT65.


One way to overcome that is to use an external amplifier that can be 
driven at lower power. I managed to find a vintage Mirage that drives to 
150W from 2W.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - 30.53 KHz carrier pulses on 40 meters

2014-12-09 Thread mike
I have eliminated all sources from inside the house/shack. I turned off the
AC mains and ran the K3/P3 on battery. The signals were still there, a
strong S6. I will have to devise a way to sniff a round the neighborhood. I
have only found the pulses on 40 meters, but there are nine of them within
7.0 to 7.3 MHz. Only two are in the first 48 KHz of the band. I guess I can
live with losing 7.007 and 7.037 MHz, it's just a bit irritating!  ..mike 
AI6II



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.


Stay tuned!

Eric
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On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I do 
not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the 
reflector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
is available form the IF)





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144)

2014-12-09 Thread Samir Popaja
The output isn't problem and I only need to cover 144-145MHz, I'm only
interested in contesting on 2m, CW/SSB.

I'm actually interested in sensitivity and strong signal rejection.

73' Samir, sm7vzx


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread hsherriff
Alright. .


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

div Original message /divdivFrom: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, 
Elecraft e...@elecraft.com /divdivDate:12/09/2014  3:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
/divdivTo: d...@w3fpr.com,Harry Yingst hlyin...@yahoo.com,Elecraft 
Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net /divdivSubject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 
Feature Request? /divdiv
/divWe are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope 
display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.

Stay tuned!

Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
 do 
 not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
 it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
 the 
 reflector.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
 Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
 is available form the IF)



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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Edward R Cole

Phil,

You got a chuckle with your comment.  Probably even more humorous 
is that I am not a CW guy, so why am I buying a keyer??  Well, I 
did start out ham radio on CW as a Novice (KN8MWA) mainly 40m, so I 
am not totally a CW virgin ;-)  But I struggled to pass my 13wpm 
test before the FCC and essentially let life overcome my further 
efforts for the next 24 years (college/career...).


So after moving to Alaska in fall of 1979 and getting my first sled 
dog in 1980, dog mushing captured my interest so that I signed in 
1982 up to run an Iditarod Sled Dog Race ham station in a remote 
check point on the trail - what fun!  But there was a hitch - check 
points scattered over 1200 miles of trail used 80/40m to communicate 
with HQ in Anchorage.  I had to get my General Class - had six months 
to get up to 13wpm!


With the use of cassette tapes (remember those?) I passed my 13wpm 
test at the Anchorage FCC Office and decided to take my Advanced 
(AL7EB) test and passed it, too.  But after passing the test I still 
was not a CW op.


1998 I decided to do moon-bounce (eme) and what was used?  Uhuh = 
CW.  Fortunately, I obtained my first pc in 1996 and there was a 
keyboard CW program so I did not have to send by hand (only had my 
original Novice straight key).  But receiving super-weak CW is still 
by ear!  15-18wpm is favored for eme.


2010 I bought my K3 and decided to buy a paddle (Bencher-2) to try 
automatic CW and made a royal mess of that!  I reverted to the old 
straight key (though I got rusty after all the years of nonuse).


So I am actually going to try out the bug mode with the 
keyer.  Push one way string of dots, push back and get string of 
dashes.  I will not send faster than 18wpm so that ought to work OK.


Let you know how it goes after a couple weeks! ;-)

73, Ed - KL7UW
PS: I waited until 2000 to upgrade to Extra after CW requirement was 
lowered to 13wpm.


Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:26 -0800
From: Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?
Message-ID: 54872762.3040...@socal.rr.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

I have the K1EL K42, Ed. Built it last Spring for
the fun of it as much as anything. It was a very
nice kt and the final product seems excellent.

This thread title has been making me chuckle a
bit: How often do hams ask for bugs in their
equipment? :-

So I have a weird sense of humor :-)

Phil W7OX


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - 30.53 KHz carrier pulses on 40 meters

2014-12-09 Thread Bill Turner
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:53:31 -0700 (MST), you wrote:

I have eliminated all sources from inside the house/shack. I turned off the
AC mains and ran the K3/P3 on battery. The signals were still there, a
strong S6. I will have to devise a way to sniff a round the neighborhood. I
have only found the pulses on 40 meters, but there are nine of them within
7.0 to 7.3 MHz. Only two are in the first 48 KHz of the band. I guess I can
live with losing 7.007 and 7.037 MHz, it's just a bit irritating!  ..mike 
AI6II

REPLY:

I had something very similar several years ago. Turned out to be a
battery charger for a golf cart about a hundred yards from my house.
 I found it by snooping around with a portable short wave radio. When
I contacted the maker of the charger they were very cooperative and
fixed it promptly. Fortunately the homeowner was also cooperative and
didn't mind me snooping around his house. 

73, Bill W6WRT
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ed,

I think you will have a better time with Ultimatic mode than Bug mode - 
especially with dual lever paddles.
Actually it is about the same - close the dit side and get a string of 
dits, then close the dah side (even if the dit side is still closed) and 
you get a string of dahs.   In other words, the last lever closed 
determines whether there is a string of dits or dahs.
It still allows dit and dah inserting - for instance with a K start 
with the dah paddle, then before the dah is complete, tap the dit paddle 
quickly (leaving the dah paddle closed) - the dit will be inserted 
between the two dahs - just have to remove fingers from both paddles 
after the last dah.


With Bug mode, there is no relationship between the dits and dahs, 
except that the dahs are manually formed.  The timing relationship is 
difficult because you have to do it audiably from the sidetone rather 
than depending on the tactile feedback that one gets with a real bug.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 3:46 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:



2010 I bought my K3 and decided to buy a paddle (Bencher-2) to try 
automatic CW and made a royal mess of that!  I reverted to the old 
straight key (though I got rusty after all the years of nonuse).


So I am actually going to try out the bug mode with the keyer. Push 
one way string of dots, push back and get string of dashes. I will not 
send faster than 18wpm so that ought to work OK.




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[Elecraft] PX3 Question

2014-12-09 Thread stan levandowski
I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and 
online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list 
should be able to answer for me:



How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3?


I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the 
connecting cables longer.  I  need this information to figure out how 
wide I can build my new ramp to hold them. While most of the 
connectors on the KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have 
straight connectors on my headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to 
change them ( I have my reasons...)



Thanks and 73,
Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

2014-12-09 Thread David Ahrendts
Stan, I’m one month into the KX3 and PX3. The PX3 cables are reasonably short, 
and yes, they are the right angle things. Happy to measure for you tonight, if 
you wish, but in my case, the PX3 sits directly to the left of the KX3 and the 
short cable maybe allows it an inch of movement. Need a precise measurement, 
happy to do that for you.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT

 On Dec 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski sjl...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and 
 online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list 
 should be able to answer for me:
 
 
 How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3?
 
 
 I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the 
 connecting cables longer.  I  need this information to figure out how wide I 
 can build my new ramp to hold them. While most of the connectors on the KX3 
 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my headset 
 and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my reasons...)
 
 
 Thanks and 73,
 Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

2014-12-09 Thread Bruce Beford
Hi, Stan
I'm not sure how you want this measured, so here's a couple of measurements
for you...
Using the PX3CBL cable kit that comes with the PX3, the maximum separation
between the two units is about 8 inches.(from the right of the PX3 to the
left of the KX3)
Measured from the outside edges (that is, with the PX3 on the left of the
KX3), the maximum distance between the left edge of the PX3 and the right
edge of the KX3 is 21.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you would like different dimensions
measured.
GL es 73,
Bruce N1RX


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

2014-12-09 Thread stan levandowski

Thank you Bruce (and also thank you David Ahrendts, KC0XT)
This is what I needed.  Looks like everything is going to work out just 
fine!
Now  I can switch to the other window and press enter on the order 
page ;-)

73 and thanks again,
Stan WB2LQF


On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 06:32 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:


Hi, Stan
I'm not sure how you want this measured, so here's a couple of 
measurements

for you...
Using the PX3CBL cable kit that comes with the PX3, the maximum 
separation
between the two units is about 8 inches.(from the right of the PX3 to 
the

left of the KX3)
Measured from the outside edges (that is, with the PX3 on the left of 
the
KX3), the maximum distance between the left edge of the PX3 and the 
right

edge of the KX3 is 21.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you would like different dimensions
measured.
GL es 73,
Bruce N1RX


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread W2BLC
I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO 
Keyer. That was in the 60s.


Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current 
rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a 
little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a 
pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I 
connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big 
deal to me.


Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever 
paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or 
entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
rigs?
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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 12:14 -0800, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display 
 option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.
 
 Stay tuned!
 
 Eric
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 On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
  do 
  not have any information about when it will be available, but I would 
  expect 
  it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
  the 
  reflector.
 
  73,
  Don W3FPR
 
  On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
  Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much 
  as 
  is available form the IF)
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill and all,

There are single lever paddles to be had (but not inexpensive ones).
There are two manufacturers of paddles that offer single lever varieties.
I am the proud owner of a K3ZN KNSLR single lever paddle set.  Tony does 
make very find paddles and other keying devices, smooth as silk.

Begali also makes single lever models.
There may be others, but those are the two I know about without doing a 
Google search.


I do have a couple others that are in the 'junk' category.

Some dual lever paddles can be altered to provide single lever action by 
placing a fixed spacer between the two paddles, but that works on some, 
but not others.  If the pivot pins are between the finger grips and the 
contacts, that will not work, but if the contacts are between the 
pivots  and the finger grips, the spacer solution will work fine.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote:
I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 
TO Keyer. That was in the 60s.


Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the 
current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I 
built a little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer 
chip, and a pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever 
paddle. I connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a 
bug. No big deal to me.


Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever 
paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or 
entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:

Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
rigs?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Robert Nobis
Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable?


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 David,
 
 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:
 Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3.
2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our existing 
directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time constant to support RF 
envelope display.)


73,

Eric
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Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
rigs?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Bruce Beford
Fairly obvious that an external sensor will be needed, probably the same (or
similar) sensors to what is used for the W2 wattmeter. Also, since there is
no current corresponding input on the P3, an option board will be required
for that. (Strictly speculation on my part, but fairly obvious to me)
Availability and pricing TBD.
73,
Bruce N1RX

 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way,

Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single
lever paddles.


most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key


Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine
with single lever paddles.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote:

I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO
Keyer. That was in the 60s.

Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current
rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a
little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a
pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I
connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big
deal to me.

Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever
paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or
entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Possibly, with modification to several component values on the board inside, but 
I can't guarantee that they will still work with the W2 after modification.


Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Robert Nobis wrote:

Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable?


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On Dec 9, 2014, at 18:15, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

David,

Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote:

Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread W2BLC
The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do 
not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering 
versions of Iambic keying only.  If they did function properly with a 
single lever paddle  - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use 
with my paddle?


Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread David Bunte
Bill -

I don't understand what you mean by They are progressive  I use a
single lever paddle, and have for years, with my IC-7000, with a borrowed
IC-756 Pro III, and for about 3 years now, with my K3.

Dave - K9FN

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 The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do not
 well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering
 versions of Iambic keying only.  If they did function properly with a
 single lever paddle  - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with
 my paddle?

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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Bob

Here is another single lever paddle:

http://www.americanmorse.com/bushwhacker.htm

Pretty decent bang for the buck.

73,
Bob
K2TK

On 12/9/2014 8:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


 Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way,

Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single
lever paddles.


most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key


Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine
with single lever paddles.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote:

I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO
Keyer. That was in the 60s.

Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current
rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a
little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a
pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I
connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big
deal to me.

Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever
paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or
entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast.

Bill W2BLC K-Line



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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 They are progressive, offering  versions of Iambic keying only.

The fact that a keyer offers Iambic A/Iambic B has *nothing* to do
with the ability to support a single lever paddle.  I have used single
lever paddles with the Iambic keyers in Icom (IC-706mkIIg), Yaesu
(FT-1000D, FT-1000MP MKV, FT-2000) and Elecraft (K3) with no issues.
The iambic features of the keyer are not active unless both left and
right contacts are closed at the same time - which is a physical
impossibility with a single lever paddle.

 then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with my paddle?

I have no idea why you built a totally unnecessary keyer to use with
your paddle.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-12-09 8:56 PM, W2BLC wrote:

The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do
not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering
versions of Iambic keying only.  If they did function properly with a
single lever paddle  - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use
with my paddle?

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
Why obviously?  If it were obvious then I would not have asked the
question...  

Perhaps they intended to have this feature, and had the sensors built
in?

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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 20:15 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 David,
 
 Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased.
 I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
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[Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Bruce Beford
No. Obviously. There is no TX output path sampling built into the P3. This
can be seen by studying the manual. There has always been however, a large
empty hole in the back of the P3 labeled sensor. Therefore (obviously)
space left for a future sensor.


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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread David Cole
You know it's not that obvious to me.  If I have to study the manual,
or look at the back of the rig, it is not obvious...
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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 21:32 -0500, Bruce Beford wrote:
 No. Obviously. There is no TX output path sampling built into the P3. This
 can be seen by studying the manual. There has always been however, a large
 empty hole in the back of the P3 labeled sensor. Therefore (obviously)
 space left for a future sensor.
 
 
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[Elecraft] KX3 and HRD

2014-12-09 Thread Dave Sublette
Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software 
package?  I am trying to get the IQ output to run the waterfall with no 
success so far.

Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


It's not all that obvious that you're likely to get hit by a
bus when you step off the curb in the middle of a block either
- unless you *look*!

The fact that the P3 has this large hole in the back panel
marked Sensor with no connector makes it obvious on even
a cursory inspection that there is additional hardware needed
for that feature/function.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-12-09 9:50 PM, David Cole wrote:

You know it's not that obvious to me.  If I have to study the manual,
or look at the back of the rig, it is not obvious...


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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Bruce Beford
OK, Study was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic
functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading
(not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for some
time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies.
Bruce N1RX


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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Gary Gregory
One could read the literature prior to purchase i spose?

Gary
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On 10/12/2014 1:24 PM, Bruce Beford bef...@myfairpoint.net wrote:

 OK, Study was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic
 functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading
 (not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for
 some
 time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies.
 Bruce N1RX


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Al Gulseth
Agreed on bang for the buck; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1. 
I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who 
wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex VibroKeyer 
is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced

73, Al

On Tue December 9 2014 8:11:51 pm Bob wrote:
 Here is another single lever paddle:

 http://www.americanmorse.com/bushwhacker.htm

 Pretty decent bang for the buck.

 73,
 Bob
 K2TK

 On 12/9/2014 8:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
   Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way,
 
  Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single
  lever paddles.
 
  most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key
 
  Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine
  with single lever paddles.
 
  73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
  On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote:
  I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO
  Keyer. That was in the 60s.
 
  Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current
  rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a
  little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a
  pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I
  connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big
  deal to me.
 
  Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever
  paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or
  entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast.
 
  Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Ernie Kluft


It would be nice to be able to use the W2's sensors for 
those who have bought them


At 07:34 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote:

1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3.
2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our 
existing directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time 
constant to support RF envelope display.)


73,

Eric
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On 12/9/2014 5:12 PM, David Cole wrote:

Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the
rigs?


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Bill Breeden


I agree, the single lever Kent (SP-1) is a good value for the price.  
Very well made and has a good solid feel.


http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/kmk-sp-1

73,

Bill - NA5DX


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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:41:28 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?
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Agreed on bang for the buck; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1.
I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who
wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex VibroKeyer
is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced

73, Al


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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Fred Jensen
Folks, I actually have a real Vibroplex, given to me by a friend who 
was a Coast Guard Radioman.  It has all the problems of a basic 
Vibroplex, mainly dots way too fast.   I tried putting a little cable 
clamp on it as some of my crew did years ago, but that adds a lot of 
inertia and probably accounts for why I slap my iambic paddle around now 
... no squeezing.  My Lionel J-36, beat up as it was, ran just fine and 
I had the only perfect fist on the radio. :-)  Once I moved to 
electronic keyers, of increasing complexity, I can't go back to a bug, 
nor do I want to, I'm old and manual dexterity is waning [along with 
other things].


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 12/9/2014 7:41 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:

Agreed on bang for the buck; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1.
I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who
wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex VibroKeyer
is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and HRD

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dave,

The KX3 I Q outputs do not have sufficient amplitude to drive the 
soundcard levels required for soundcard DATA modes such as expected by 
DM-780.

Use the headphone output.
If you wish to run a Panadapter application such as NaP3, HDSDR or 
several other variations, then the use of the RX I/Q output are 
applicable, but not for soundcard data mode use.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 9:55 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:

Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software package?  
I am trying to get the IQ output to run the waterfall with no success so far.

Dave, K4TO



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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Go for a Winkey chip based box, which includes the MicroHam line and the
Winkey house models, and set the mode to Ultimatic to use with your
single lever paddle. It is the most natural by far for someone raised on
a mechanical bug and who just can't get themselves to do Iambic.

Any box with a keyer chip based on any version of WinKey has IambicA,
IambicB and Ultimatic as choices of keying modes. This would be any of the
Winkey boxes of course, the MicroHam contest boxes, and others I can't
recall at the moment.

A single lever paddle and Ultimatic in the Winkey chip have long been my
favorite as I was never able to make the transition from mechanical bug to
dual lever paddle and the Iambic methods. Guy plus Iambic plus dual lever
paddle = sloppy, awful, mistake-ridden code. Just can't do it. Ultimatic
plus dual lever paddle = decent code, but after a while my hand cramps.

Given the various things that have to go on controlling a contest station
and the very useful integration of functions, I have a MicroHam CW Keyer
which was my first MicroHam purchase and now a MicroHam u2R which very
nicely works my K3 and K2 side-by-side. I have never looked back.

Some of my friends have the very reasonably priced Winkey USB keyers, and
some earlier Winkey boxes, which allow either a logging program or the
paddle to drive the output which goes into the K3 straight key jack (not
the paddle).

I still use a Vibrokeyer single lever paddle which I've had since the 70's,
but am seriously looking at the current crop of magnetic single lever
paddles. The paddle is plugged into the u2R. For field day, I take along
the small MicroHam CW Keyer instead, which provides the complete
functionality for N1MM+ to drive it from my laptop.

The MicroHam boxes, and the USB Winkey boxes connect to the PC with a USB
cable, and provide RS232 signal lines to the transceiver for CAT and
command functions. With N1MM+ running, the paddle CW speed is always the
same as the box knob or the N1MM+ speed. In N1MM+ the box speed knob also
runs the N1MM+ CW speed up and down just like the page up and down keys.

It's a very slick station integration, and I do NOT have to use dual lever
or my Iambic enemy, and I can switch back and forth with a real bug without
my brain blowing fuses.

73, Guy K2AV


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


  They are progressive, offering  versions of Iambic keying only.

 The fact that a keyer offers Iambic A/Iambic B has *nothing* to do
 with the ability to support a single lever paddle.  I have used single
 lever paddles with the Iambic keyers in Icom (IC-706mkIIg), Yaesu
 (FT-1000D, FT-1000MP MKV, FT-2000) and Elecraft (K3) with no issues.
 The iambic features of the keyer are not active unless both left and
 right contacts are closed at the same time - which is a physical
 impossibility with a single lever paddle.

  then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with my paddle?

 I have no idea why you built a totally unnecessary keyer to use with
 your paddle.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 On 2014-12-09 8:56 PM, W2BLC wrote:

 The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do
 not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering
 versions of Iambic keying only.  If they did function properly with a
 single lever paddle  - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use
 with my paddle?

 Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

2014-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
The literature as it exists does not indicate that the P3 is capable of 
doing any transmit monitoring - no mention of the sensor jack.


The fact that there is a jack on the back of the P3 that is marked 
SENSOR is akin to the jack on the bottom of the K3 that is defined as 
for factory use only.
There has been a lot of comments and speculation about what that jack 
could potentially be used for, but it remains for factory use only.


Yes, a TX monitoring function for the P3 is in the works as indicated by 
Eric's post about the sensor, but he did point out that the firmware to 
support that function is the gating factor.  It will be interesting to 
see what capabilities will be provided by that jack once all the 
hardware and firmware to support it are available.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/9/2014 10:27 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

One could read the literature prior to purchase i spose?




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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

2014-12-09 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,12/9/2014 8:53 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

Any box with a keyer chip based on any version of WinKey has IambicA,
IambicB and Ultimatic as choices of keying modes. This would be any of the
Winkey boxes of course, the MicroHam contest boxes, and others I can't
recall at the moment.


Also the wonderful Yankee Clipper Contest Club's SO2R box.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] PX3 question

2014-12-09 Thread Howard Hoyt

Stan,

If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be 
positioned within 0.5 of each other when using all right-angle plugs, 
which makes the combined chassis width 13.5.


We make a #33-100 KX3  PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate 
neat cable management for users of the KX3  PX3 
(https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs 
for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25 apart and still 
use the splitter.


You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the 
splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25 to the right of the KX3, 
and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector.


An additional 1 or more of separation can be achieved by removing the 
heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if necessary.


Cheers  73,

Howie - WA4PSC
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