Re: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Those caps as I recall are .1uf they can come in handy to have around




 Original message 
From: "Dauer, Edward"  
Date: 2017-05-05  10:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards 

The KIO3 and KXV3 boards have been spoken for – several times over, in fact.

No requests yet for the old synths.  They have to be useful for something.  
Skeet shooting, maybe?

The PR 6-10 is still open for offers (see original post below), and the 
itsy-bitsy SMD caps are still available gratis, assuming I can find them among 
the other molecules in the packaging they came in.  Have I mentioned that they 
are very small?

Ted, KN1CBR

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    Message: 20
    Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:59:27 +
    From: "Dauer, Edward" 
    To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
    Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards
    Message-ID:
    

    
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
    
    Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, 
I have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.
    
    The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.  However, please 
don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box 
to yours.  I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and 
would actually use them.  They worked perfectly since new.  I am pretty sure 
they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no 
warranty.
    
    I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the 
supply (huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person 
who could use a couple of drink coasters.
    
    I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.  Best offer by next 
Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.  Personal check only, no 
Paypal.  This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be 
attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.
    
    Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of 
KBPF3.  Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.  
Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least 
two of the little buggers.  So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; 
two remain in the bag.  That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.  
In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple 
of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely 
absent.)  These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above. 
 I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.
    
    For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 
    
    Please reply off-list.  Thanks,
    
    Ted, KN1CBR
    
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

As I recall there is also a shielded toroid on them similar to the sheilded one 
for the K2.
Plus tmp connectors that can come in handy.






 Original message 
From: James Wilson  
Date: 2017-05-05  10:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft  
Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards 

While there is no market for the old Synth. boards,
they are full of tiny suface mounted parts. Excellent
place to practice removing and replacing some
of them.

You can't hurt it. Try your hand. You may be surprised
at how easily it can be done. (Even for these
89 year old hands and eyes.)   :-)

Jim - W4RKS
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement

[Brian Denley]

Damn!  I was hoping it was the s...

Brian 
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> On May 5, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> LDMOS.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
>> On 5/5/2017 9:06 AM, wa4fom via Elecraft wrote:
>> Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS?
>> 10,000 PNAs?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Bob  WA4FOM
>> 
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[Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards

[James Wilson]

While there is no market for the old Synth. boards,
they are full of tiny suface mounted parts. Excellent
place to practice removing and replacing some
of them.

You can't hurt it. Try your hand. You may be surprised
at how easily it can be done. (Even for these
89 year old hands and eyes.)   :-)

Jim - W4RKS
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[Elecraft] Excess K3 boards

[Dauer, Edward]

The KIO3 and KXV3 boards have been spoken for – several times over, in fact.

No requests yet for the old synths.  They have to be useful for something.  
Skeet shooting, maybe?

The PR 6-10 is still open for offers (see original post below), and the 
itsy-bitsy SMD caps are still available gratis, assuming I can find them among 
the other molecules in the packaging they came in.  Have I mentioned that they 
are very small?

Ted, KN1CBR

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:59:27 +
From: "Dauer, Edward" 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, 
I have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.

The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.  However, please 
don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box 
to yours.  I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and 
would actually use them.  They worked perfectly since new.  I am pretty sure 
they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no 
warranty.

I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the 
supply (huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person 
who could use a couple of drink coasters.

I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.  Best offer by next 
Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.  Personal check only, no 
Paypal.  This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be 
attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.

Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of 
KBPF3.  Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.  
Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least 
two of the little buggers.  So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; 
two remain in the bag.  That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.  
In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple 
of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely 
absent.)  These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above. 
 I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.

For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 

Please reply off-list.  Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR

 


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[Elecraft] Wish List P3

[John Hendricks]

I would like to see two switchable IF inputs on the P3 with different
profiles so I could easily select different radios.

John K7JLT

John K7JLT
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Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I also have purchased one of their kits and was pleased with it in both quality 
and instructions.
I found no problems at all with the quality and I plan to purchase more from 
them.




  From: KC6CNN 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:06 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.
   
I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 

Gerald KC6CNN





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KC6CNN - Gerald
K1 # 0014
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757

   
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Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to futurepurchasers.

[wb4jfi]

While this is OT, I think it deserves a response.  I have built several 
QRP-Labs kits, and have had no problems, other than an initial short in the 
oven-based oscillator, which we were warned about in the instructions.


These are NOT HeathKit level kits, but almost nothing is anymore.  I 
recommend the QRP-Labs Ultimate 3S beacon and other stuff to anyone with 
some building experience.  The Ultimate 3S is a good value to me.


As always, YMMV, but these are not nearly as bad as the Chinese ham 
projects.

73, Terry, N4TLF


-Original Message- 
From: KC6CNN

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 9:02 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to 
futurepurchasers.


I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.

Gerald KC6CNN





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KC6CNN - Gerald
K1 # 0014
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757
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Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.

[Bill Johnson]

My experience with these products to be quite a variable for quality control 
and luck of the draw applies.  Best of luck to all as you get what you pay for 
and your experiences will vary dramatically.  I try to stick to known sources 
and US based. IMHO.  No response expected.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dr. 
William J. Schmidt
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:28 PM
To: KC6CNN 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future 
purchasers.

I find their kits to be the exact opposite of your experience. I have six of 
their kits, the last two were build by my 15 YO son (at the time) with zero 
problems.  They also have a forum like Elecraft and a very helpful users group 
and designer, which leads me to ask why you would post this on the Elecraft 
forum instead of the qrp-labs forum?  Elecraft and qrp-laps fill different 
segments of business and have no overlap in products. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner – Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  b...@wjschmidt.com
 

> On May 5, 2017, at 8:02 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> 
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies 
> products and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn 
> other kit builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering 
> any kit from QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products 
> are so poorly made that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the 
> end of the lead.
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 
> 
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 
> 
> Gerald KC6CNN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K1 # 0014
> K3 # 6294
> KX3 # 757
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Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.

[Dr. William J. Schmidt]

I find their kits to be the exact opposite of your experience. I have six of 
their kits, the last two were build by my 15 YO son (at the time) with zero 
problems.  They also have a forum like Elecraft and a very helpful users group 
and designer, which leads me to ask why you would post this on the Elecraft 
forum instead of the qrp-labs forum?  Elecraft and qrp-laps fill different 
segments of business and have no overlap in products. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner – Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  b...@wjschmidt.com
 

> On May 5, 2017, at 8:02 PM, KC6CNN  wrote:
> 
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
> QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
> that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 
> 
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 
> 
> Gerald KC6CNN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K1 # 0014
> K3 # 6294
> KX3 # 757
> --
> View this message in context: 
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[Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.

[KC6CNN]

I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 

Gerald KC6CNN





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Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters where the 
PA deck would go.



  From: Bill Johnson 
 To: Phil Hystad ; Elecraft  
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
   
Phil,

Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, 
UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, 
also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  
I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft 
design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know 
what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to 
our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for 
modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who 
wanted it. 

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil 
Hystad
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but 
thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne 
& Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with 
satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a 
three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 
MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary 
(IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as 
far as I know — they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am 
hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make 
for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH
   
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Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

[Bill Johnson]

Phil,

Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, 
UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, 
also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  
I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft 
design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know 
what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to 
our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for 
modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who 
wanted it. 

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil 
Hystad
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but 
thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne 
& Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with 
satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a 
three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 
MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary 
(IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as 
far as I know — they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am 
hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make 
for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH
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[Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards

[Dauer, Edward]

Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, I 
have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.

The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.  However, please 
don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box 
to yours.  I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and 
would actually use them.  They worked perfectly since new.  I am pretty sure 
they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no 
warranty.

I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the supply 
(huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person who 
could use a couple of drink coasters.

I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.  Best offer by next 
Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.  Personal check only, no 
Paypal.  This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be 
attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.

Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of 
KBPF3.  Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.  
Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least 
two of the little buggers.  So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; 
two remain in the bag.  That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.  
In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple 
of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely 
absent.)  These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above. 
 I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.

For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 

Please reply off-list.  Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?

[Ken K6MR]

I believe the most important item to note is the “TX SAMPLE” jack on the rear 
panel.  That has SDR written all over it.

Ken K6MR

From: Kevin Stover, AC0H
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?

Anybody else notice the bigger box, probably a necessity, on the KPA1500
or the change in color of the LCD from Orange to Blue?

Hm...bigger box, change age of color scheme. K3X (Extreme) or K4?

On 5/2/2017 6:08 PM, Tom branton via Elecraft wrote:
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

Anybody else notice the bigger box, probably a necessity, on the KPA1500 
or the change in color of the LCD from Orange to Blue?


Hm...bigger box, change age of color scheme. K3X (Extreme) or K4?

On 5/2/2017 6:08 PM, Tom branton via Elecraft wrote:

Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?


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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

thank you

  From: Ken K6MR 
 To: Harry Yingst  
Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:36 PM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
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Works fine.   Ken K6MR   From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Michael Walker
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?   Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished 
storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB 
makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will 
probably be OK.


   
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[Elecraft] There is a new release of Win4K3Suite

[Tom]

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite available.  This release extends the 
improvements made to the KPA500 support to the KX3 and KX2.  Win4K3Suite 
will allow full control of the KPA500 from all of the K line radios 
supporting band switching, fan control and access to remote control using 
TeamViewer.
You can see Win4K3Suite in action at 
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
In case you are not aware, Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program 
for the Elecraft K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2.  It supports all hardware such as the 
KPA500, and KAT500 even on the KX2.  Win4K3Suite also has built in 
panadapter support for the P3, LPPAN2 and the SDRPlay RSP. There is no 
configuration necessary to support all modes and filter settings for QSY's.
Another useful feature of Win4K3Suite is that it interfaces to all 3rd party 
logging and digital mode programs such as HRDLogbook, DX Keeper, NAP3, 
N3FJP, N1MM+, FLDigi, MIXW as well as hardware devices such as the K3/0, the 
Pig Knob and various antenna tuners.  In order to understand how to do this, 
there is a video on youtube that gives clear instructions on using the 
virtual port management facilities of Win4K3Suite:  You can access it at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jh6IS0S1dE=4s

There is no need for LPBridge, and if you can wish you can even continue to 
use NAP3 if you prefer that interface.  You can read a review about this 
here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214


Thanks for your support!
73 Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?

[Phil Hystad]

> 
> You sound like you’re stating all the reasons you should not do it :)  

OK, whatever.

> 
> I would rate this option about a 3 (0-10, easiest is zero)

Thanks for your rating assessment.

PEH


> 
> GL 73
> 
> Gary W2CS
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad  wrote:
>> 
>> Two questions:
>> 
>> (1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter 
>> option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).
>> 
>> (2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions 
>> limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a 
>> sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?
>> 
>> My kit background that involves soldering includes a number of the mini-kits 
>> from Elecraft as well as Norcal 40A (years ago), KX1 (also years ago).  I 
>> have also assembled the kit versions of my K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, and KX3 
>> (which also had a 2-meter option but I chose for Elecraft to do the work 
>> since after I got the kit I found one inductor that would not move out of 
>> the way per the Elecraft instructions).
>> 
>> Prior to my Elecraft experience my only work had been in high-school with a 
>> homebrew dual-811 linear and a SSB exciter besides kit versions of several 
>> receivers (Knight) and Eico 720 transmitter.  But, this was 55 years ago!
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?

[Phil Hystad]

Don,

Thanks.  Yes, I have a good quality temperature controlled iron (static type).  
I am comfortable with thru-hole soldering of regular stuff but I was not sure 
about the warning in the assembly instructions as to how sensitive the plastic 
is to heat.  I understand the part about heating until flow and then getting 
the iron away from the board.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On May 5, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> That is a statement that should be applied to any thru-hole soldering.
> I believe it is made so those who have little or no soldering experience will 
> pay attention.
> One should use a temperature controlled soldering iron, and apply heat long 
> enough (but only long enough) to see the solder flow out onto both the board 
> and component.
> If you linger on the connection, that is when damage occurs.
> It is no more difficult than any other thru-hole component soldering.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 5/5/2017 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Two questions:
>> (1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter 
>> option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).
>> (2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions 
>> limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a 
>> sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?

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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Ken K6MR]

My “Aux” cable is about 25 feet long. It’s just a CAT5 cable wired 
appropriately.  Works fine.

Ken K6MR

From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Michael Walker
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished 
storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB 
makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will 
probably be OK.





  From: Michael Walker 
 To: Harry Yingst 
Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

Hi Harry
You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it would 
work at all.
Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from your 
USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232 is about 
20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That is fast 
enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as that will 
limit your cable length.
This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and the 
tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as that is one 
less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and I have seen it 
work down to -30C without issue.
Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such as 
https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8=1493985728=8-8=rs232+lan.
  The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well.  
www.rs485.com
You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft software.  
From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.  On the other 
end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.
Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would 
recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
I hope that helps
Mike va3mw





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[Elecraft] OT: Martian New Years special event station.

[k...@juno.com]

 Martian New Years special event station K3M (I'll be using my mighty (?) 
K-1)will operate tomorrow, 06 May 2017 from @1400-2000 UTC from Mars, PA. We 
will also be activating W3EXW DStar repeater during the Friday and Saturday 
event.  We will be using REF063A.  There will be PSA on REF063C to direct 
traffic to the REF063A reflector. Mars, PA is about 25 mi north of Pittsburgh, 
PA. The special event station is in conjunction with the Mars, PA "Martian New 
Year Festival"which features programs and exhibits from NASA, the Jet 
Propulsion Lab and  the CarnegieScience Center.  The phone ops plan to operate 
@55kHz up from the bottom of the phone band on 40 and 20whilst I'll be banging 
away @55 kHz up from the bottom of the CW portions of 40 and 20. If you are in 
the area, NHARC will be operating out of the Miniature RR Pavilion on the 
groundsof the Historical Society on the south side of town.  Look for the red 
B caboose and 1888train station.  We will be behind the train station.
  From the ARRL Contest Update: The North Hills Amateur Radio Club (NHARC) will 
be commemorating the Martian New Year  with a special event station in Mars, 
PA, on May 6, 2017, as part of the event. The Martian New Year only happens 
every couple of years, Earth-time. Though the town features a 'mid century 
modern' looking gen-you-wine flying saucer, the activities on May 4 - May 6 are 
focused around STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts and Mathematics) 
activities, and will include NASA participation. Look for their call, K3M, on 
20 and 40 meter phone and CW.  QSLs go to N2MA. (Tim, K3HX) Marvin may make an 
appearance!  Sirius-ly! 73, Tim K3HX

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Re: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?

[Don Wilhelm]

Phil,

That is a statement that should be applied to any thru-hole soldering.
I believe it is made so those who have little or no soldering experience 
will pay attention.
One should use a temperature controlled soldering iron, and apply heat 
long enough (but only long enough) to see the solder flow out onto both 
the board and component.

If you linger on the connection, that is when damage occurs.
It is no more difficult than any other thru-hole component soldering.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/5/2017 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

Two questions:

(1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter 
option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).

(2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions 
limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive 
soldering act requiring expert attention?


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Satellite operation

[Paul Stoetzer]

Cool story bro.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
> One of those "Been there, done that" situations ...
>
> Satellite operation can get very boring very quickly.  They are very
> predictable and you're likely to work everyone else in a short time.
>
> DX?  They're usually only a relative few miles away.  Have even worked as a
> mobile ... Ho Hum
>
> FWIW 
>
> 73
>
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[Elecraft] OT: Satellite operation

[Ken G Kopp]

One of those "Been there, done that" situations ...

Satellite operation can get very boring very quickly.  They are very
predictable and you're likely to work everyone else in a short time.

DX?  They're usually only a relative few miles away.  Have even worked as a
mobile ... Ho Hum

FWIW 

73

K0PP
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[Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?

[Phil Hystad]

Two questions:

(1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter 
option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).

(2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions 
limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive 
soldering act requiring expert attention?

My kit background that involves soldering includes a number of the mini-kits 
from Elecraft as well as Norcal 40A (years ago), KX1 (also years ago).  I have 
also assembled the kit versions of my K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, and KX3 (which 
also had a 2-meter option but I chose for Elecraft to do the work since after I 
got the kit I found one inductor that would not move out of the way per the 
Elecraft instructions).

Prior to my Elecraft experience my only work had been in high-school with a 
homebrew dual-811 linear and a SSB exciter besides kit versions of several 
receivers (Knight) and Eico 720 transmitter.  But, this was 55 years ago!

73, phil, K7PEH


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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Michael Walker]

That will make it easy.

You can either use a USB cable or an RS232 cable.  Both will work fine.

73, Mike va3mw

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Harry Yingst  wrote:

> Thank you
>
> The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished
> storeroom in
> my basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB makes for
> a easier install.
>
> One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
>
> The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it
> will probably be OK.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Michael Walker 
> *To:* Harry Yingst 
> *Cc:* "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
>
> Hi Harry
>
> You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it
> would work at all.
>
> Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from
> your USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232
> is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That
> is fast enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as
> that will limit your cable length.
>
> This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and
> the tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as
> that is one less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and
> I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.
>
> Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters
> such as https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-
> Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8=
> 1493985728=8-8=rs232+lan.  The guys are RS485.com have some
> cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com
>
> You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft
> software.  From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.
> On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
>
> One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.
>
> Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would
> recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

[Paul Stoetzer]

I would be interested and I know several others who would be as well!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Phil Hystad  wrote:
> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S 
> but thought to ask this question instead.
>
> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from 
> Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF 
> with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly 
> a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 
> MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is 
> necessary (IMO).
>
> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as 
> far as I know — they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am 
> hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make 
> for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
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[Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

[Phil Hystad]

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but 
thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne 
& Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with 
satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a 
three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 
MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary 
(IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as 
far as I know — they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am 
hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make 
for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder

[Bill W4ZV]

Thanks Don!  Indeed that was the problem and happily I didn't need to remove
the front panel.  

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

LDMOS.

73,
Eric
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On 5/5/2017 9:06 AM, wa4fom via Elecraft wrote:

Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS?
10,000 PNAs?

Thanks in advance.

Bob  WA4FOM



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Back Panel Pic

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

That cable under the amp in the pic is not a normal part of amp. It was 
temporarily present to power up the RF deck front panel for the photo shoot 
studio. (It should have been photo-shopped out :-)


Eric
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On 5/5/2017 8:41 AM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote:
Can anyone venture a guess as to what the "cable" is underneath the amplifier 
in the back panel photo?  Also, what type of connection is used for grounding?


Dan -- N3ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished 
storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB 
makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will 
probably be OK.





  From: Michael Walker 
 To: Harry Yingst  
Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
Hi Harry
You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it would 
work at all.  
Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from your 
USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232 is about 
20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That is fast 
enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as that will 
limit your cable length. 
This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and the 
tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as that is one 
less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and I have seen it 
work down to -30C without issue.
Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such as 
https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8=1493985728=8-8=rs232+lan.
  The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com
You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft software.  
From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.  On the other 
end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.  
Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would 
recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
I hope that helps
Mike va3mw




   
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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as I'm basically planning to put it into a 
finished storeroom in my basement



  From: Ken K6MR 
 To: Harry Yingst ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 1:47 AM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
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alternate connection method. I use an Ethernet to serial port server with a 
fiber link between the desk and the closet. Two KPAs and two KATs.    Ken K6MR  
 From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:02 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?   More and more I'm 
considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly becuse of the heat and 
secondly because of the fan noise.
In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
Then it would be a matter of routing  one coax from the K3 to th amp, and a USB 
cable with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and tuner to 
plug into.
I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely touch 
them.

I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and could 
let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.

Thank you 

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[Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement

[wa4fom via Elecraft]

Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS? 
10,000 PNAs?

Thanks in advance.

Bob  WA4FOM



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[Elecraft] KPA1500 Back Panel Pic

[Dan Atchison via Elecraft]

Can anyone venture a guess as to what the "cable" is underneath the 
amplifier in the back panel photo?  Also, what type of connection is 
used for grounding?


Dan -- N3ND
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Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

[Michael Walker]

Hi Harry

You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it
would work at all.

Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from
your USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232
is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That
is fast enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as
that will limit your cable length.

This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and
the tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as
that is one less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and
I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.

Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such
as
https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8=1493985728=8-8=rs232+lan.
The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com

You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft
software.  From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.
On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.

One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.

Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would
recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.

I hope that helps

Mike va3mw






On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Ken K6MR  wrote:

> One thing to watch is the length of the USB cable. Over about 15 feet or
> so (I believe the spec is 5 meters) you’ll need an active repeater cable or
> some alternate connection method. I use an Ethernet to serial port server
> with a fiber link between the desk and the closet. Two KPAs and two KATs.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:02 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
>
> More and more I'm considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly
> becuse of the heat and secondly because of the fan noise.
> In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
> Then it would be a matter of routing  one coax from the K3 to th amp, and
> a USB cable with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and
> tuner to plug into.
> I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely
> touch them.
>
> I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and
> could let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.
>
> Thank you
>
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[Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book

[Irwin Darack]

Will copies of the K3/K3s Macro Book be available for sale at Dayton ?

Irwin KD3TB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

That sounds like what can happen if the nut(s) on the encoder shaft 
bearing are not tight.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/5/2017 6:47 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

I recently bought a relatively new K3 (#8641).  In the process of adjusting
the Main VFO drag, I noticed the shaft has some minor (few mm?) slippage
(perpendicular to the front panel).  Is this normal on recent K3 units or is
it a defective encoder?

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[Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder

[Bill W4ZV]

I recently bought a relatively new K3 (#8641).  In the process of adjusting
the Main VFO drag, I noticed the shaft has some minor (few mm?) slippage
(perpendicular to the front panel).  Is this normal on recent K3 units or is
it a defective encoder?  

Or is it a design "feature" to adjust the drag with the knob in and then
pull it out if I want it to spin fast freely.  (GRIN)

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr out

[la3rk]

Thanks to all who responded. Checked and realigned all connectors, no
apparent errors, all male pins in place, connectors firmly seated.

Removed KRX3 and SUBIN/OUT module, reinstalled and reconnected. Similar
advice received both from group and from Elecraft support.

Still same problem, main rx uses signal. According to info from German ham,
he has had same problem and it was traced to faulty pin diode on SUBIN/OUT
module.

It is kind of amusing how a technical subject like this turns into
differences in languages use between USA and England. It would be nice if
posters keep to original subject and not stray off in a completely different
direction. Of 22 postings just 3 or 4 of them was on the original subject
and problem.

I am fairly certain that the problem is located within the SUBIN/OUT module,
but will check with Elecraft support. The easiest will be to change the
whole module, it is just a relay, some diodes and two small RF transformers.

73 de Olaf - LA3RK



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