Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[JR]

"ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting,..."


Meh.  Suggesting the ARRL Lab is ignorant about real world contesting is 
incredible.  They are plenty smart, have their own stations, and do NOT live in 
a technological vacuum.  If it was a problem, they would know it.



"It is THEIR DATA, not mine."


Exactly.  You concede my point.  You present no evidence or proof of your own, 
and concede the available data fails to prove the problem.


"Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB;
current vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty ...
occupying three times the bandwidth of a clean
SSB signal"


Pshaw.  You exaggerate.  Three times normal bandwidth is more than 8.5 MHz.  If ALL Yaesu signals really are 
that wide, everyone would know it, and even the least expensive SDR dongle would easily show it.  The boys in 
the ARRL Lab would be well aware of it, and besides, it makes no sense to say "current vintage" - 
as "current"  and "vintage" are essentially opposites.


Bottom line:  I gave you the home run pitch, challenging you to proffer hard 
evidence of your unsubstantiated, anecdotal claim. Instead, your generalizing 
rebuttal and brandishing credentials is weak as water.


AS for MY experience, while I am not an engineer, I am reasonably well informed 
and made my millions cross-examining self-proclaimed experts lacking sufficient 
evidence.

As this is clearly OT, I will retire before wearing out my welcome, especially 
considering you have made my point for me!

Happy days, and good DX to all.   K8JHR





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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

[Dave]

Hi Andy,

Someone on anothergroup mentioned sending P; to the KPA500 would turn the amp 
on provided to main power switch was on. Can you confirm that?

Reason is I want to make sure the Node Red flow I had mentioned is programmed 
correctly.

I use Wake on Lan with the KPA1500 successfully.

Thanks
Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> 
> Sorry - cut/paste error - should be:
> 
> If a KAT500 is powered but off it will respond to command ps; with PS0;
> If a KAT500 is powered and on it will respond to command ps; with PS1;
> If a KAT500 is not powered it will not respond to ps;
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> From: Andy Durbin
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 5:51 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: KAT500 remote
> 
> "I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one problem 
> with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off."
> 
> If a KAT500 is powered but off it will respond to command ps; with PS0;
> If a KAT500 is powered and on it will respond to command ps; with PS1;
> If a KAT500 is not powered it will not on it will not respond to ps;
> 
> Powered status can also be found by checking the response to ;
> No response if not powered
> ; response if powered.
> 
> Hopefully any remote control software you use will be smart enough to apply 
> these tests and indicate the result.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] K4: DX Spots Displayed on PanAdapter

[Rick Tavan]

It doesn't display spots today. It could in the future.
It does support click-to-QSY with either a finger on the screen or a mouse
(more accurate pointing).

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Lou W0FK  wrote:

> I did a search for the ability of the K4 to display DX spots on screen, and
> the ability to "click" on them to QSY to the spot, interfacing with 3rd
> party programs like DXLab or N1MM+ (assuming they can and do develop that
> capability).
>
> I found Rich's question (see below), but couldn't determine if there had
> been any answers.
>
> What say you Wayne and/or Eric?
>
> 73,
>
> Lou, W0FK
>
>
> Richard Thorne-4 wrote
> > I looked at the K4 at HamCom on Friday.  Very nice.
> >
> > Unfortunately the demo was not running for some unforeseen reason
> > (murphy I'm sure).
> >
> > The rep there said there would be an API for 3rd party software. Will
> > this make it possible to display DX Spots from logging programs like
> > DXLab?  If that's possible will a mouse plugged into the USB port of the
> > K4 allow one to click on the spot and have the K4 go to the correct
> > frequency and mode?
> >
> > Rich - N5ZC
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy radios

[K8TE]

A neighbor who lives just 300 yards away purchased and now operates an
IC-7300.  When he operates 40m CW, the phase noise occurs across the entire
40m band on my K3 with the upgraded synthesizer.  You could never use an
IC-7300 for Field Day on the same band with other radios.

OTOH, we had three K3's (prior to the upgraded synthesizer on 20m
simultaneously.  We only knew the others were active if we tuned to within
20 kHz or so of them.  I was the the SSB team captain and had no problem on
20m as long as we didn't get "near" the GOTA station when it was on the same
band.  This was with the same physical distance I know face the IC-7300.  

Another IC-7300 over a mile away is very broad (20-30 kHz) when operated on
40m SSB.  I often hear splatter 40 kHz up the band!  While I tell people the
IC-7300 is a great package for the price, I also tell them not to use it
with big antennas or physically near other radios.  Fortunately, I have no
Yaesu HF rigs in active use in the neighborhood although I see their dirty
signals in many contests.

A used K3S is quite a bargain today!

73, Bill, K8TE



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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

[Andy Durbin]

Sorry - cut/paste error - should be:

If a KAT500 is powered but off it will respond to command ps; with PS0;
If a KAT500 is powered and on it will respond to command ps; with PS1;
If a KAT500 is not powered it will not respond to ps;

Andy, k3wyc

From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 5:51 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: KAT500 remote

"I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one problem 
with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off."

If a KAT500 is powered but off it will respond to command ps; with PS0;
If a KAT500 is powered and on it will respond to command ps; with PS1;
If a KAT500 is not powered it will not on it will not respond to ps;

Powered status can also be found by checking the response to ;
No response if not powered
; response if powered.

Hopefully any remote control software you use will be smart enough to apply 
these tests and indicate the result.

Andy, k3wyc
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[Elecraft] KAT500 remote

[Andy Durbin]

"I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one problem 
with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off."

If a KAT500 is powered but off it will respond to command ps; with PS0;
If a KAT500 is powered and on it will respond to command ps; with PS1;
If a KAT500 is not powered it will not on it will not respond to ps;

Powered status can also be found by checking the response to ;
No response if not powered
; response if powered.

Hopefully any remote control software you use will be smart enough to apply 
these tests and indicate the result.

Andy, k3wyc
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[Elecraft] K4 Update Oct 9

[Eric Swartz]

To answer the big question, yes we started shipping small numbers of our
first regular production K4s in late September. :-)   We are building more
K4s now in production and we expect more to start going out late next week
or the following week.

Our production rate will be slower than we want through the rest of October
and early November as we fine tune everything
and navigate intermittent supplier delays, temporary production stoppages
etc. and as we continue to tune our production and test processes. As the
K4 production rate gets stabilized we will also be able to give better
estimates when individual orders will ship. Please be patient with us as we
work through this.

One note - initial K4 orders on 5/17 were huge, both on the Web and at
Dayton. (As were ordered the following weeks and months..) Even the first
shipping group K4 orders with large deposits from that first day were so
large that they will take some time to ship. We will email or call to
notify everyone as their order gets close.

It's been a challenge dodging all of the unexpected obstacles we've
encountered the last several months. COVID-19 shutdowns, the CA Fires and
the resulting impacts on our staff, suppliers and overall efficiency have
been challenging.  Many of our team are working from home due to COVID-19
requirements (including Wayne and myself, engineering and most of our sales
staff). The CA fires had a major impact in late August and through
September. Two of our engineers lost their homes and radios, and a third
came close, with the fire coming within a mile of his location. Fortunately
everyone is OK and back at work and there is no ongoing fire threat
locally.

The Elecrft HQ and factory in Watsonville is far from where the active
fires were and was never at risk. It's in an open industrial park far from
the forests and near the coast. We have also reconfigured the factory and
test area layouts for safe operation with regard to proper social
distancing, better air flow and good workstation isolation between workers.
Our inventory is safe and our production and test teams are hard at
work there.

Several of our local suppliers (machine shops etc.) had mandatory
evacuations for several weeks as a precaution during the local fires.
Fortunately their facilities were undamaged, but that has increased delays
getting parts finished and delivered to us as they restart.  Each day
presents new challenges. So far, we've been able to work through each
new surprise.

We are in good financial shape, with plenty of funds to run our operation
and fund the K4 ramp up. Amazingly, even during the COVID shut downs in the
spring we continued to receive orders for all of our products at a strong
rate. It looks like the extra time everyone had while staying at home has
increased interest in ham radio! As a result we are still running with a
strong backlog of orders for our regular products, which are shipping daily
in addition to the K4. This has helped enormously.

Thank you to everyone for your support.

73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

[rocketnj]

You could possibly look at Node Red which runs on a Raspberry Pi. I use it with 
a KPA1500 and I know there is a flow (programming) for the KPA500 as well. The 
Pi runs on your home network and you use a USB to serial cable from the KPA500 
to the Pi. You can control and monitor the amp from any web browser.

If you are interested we have a Google Groups.io site 
https://groups.io/g/nodered-hamradio

Here's a picture of my Node Red dashboard. The panel on the left is for the 
KPA1500. The layout is customizable.
https://github.com/wo2x/NodeRed/blob/master/Main.JPG

73
Dave wo2x




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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:13 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one problem 
with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off. This matters because when 
the remote site looses power the state of the KAT500 is unknown and the program 
does not indicate if the power is ON or OFF.  Is there a way to tell?

I can keep trying the POWER button then the TUNE button until it works, but it 
would be much better for a positive indication of the power state by button 
color or some other indication in the application.

I have set the "Initial Power" in the KAT500 utility to be "Power On" 
when DC  is applied, but not sure this is always observed.  I have no other way 
to see the remote site when this happens.

Any suggestions?

Gordon - N1MGO


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Mike VE3YF]

Al:

Sorry to hear about your loss, terrible situation, but at least you are 
safe.


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Re: [Elecraft] Height of K4 / SP4

[Mike VE3YF]

Dean

6 7/8"

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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[Clay Autery]

Yep  I've used Office Depot and Office Max many times to do just that.

73,

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On 10/09/20 16:14, George Danner wrote:

Clay,
When I was traveling, we would send the document (PDF) to the local 
Kinko which is now FEDEX.
They would print the document, make a cover and back page and then 
spiral bound it.
Generally it was 10 to 25 copies depending on the group we were 
presenting it to.
We found this easier than ordering through our print shop and then 
carrying 25 copies of a 25 to 50 page document on a plane.

Might try a local equivalent to Kinko (FEDEX).

73
George  AI4VZ


On 10/09/20 14:26, w4sc wrote:
> I just was on chat with LuLu.  They will NOT print the pdf
offered, unless you are the author.  They understood the desire to
have a hard copy.
>
> Ben W4SC
>


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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[George Danner]

Clay,
When I was traveling, we would send the document (PDF) to the local Kinko
which is now FEDEX.
They would print the document, make a cover and back page and then
spiral bound it.
Generally it was 10 to 25 copies depending on the group we were presenting
it to.
We found this easier than ordering through our print shop and then
carrying 25 copies of a 25 to 50 page document on a plane.
Might try a local equivalent to Kinko (FEDEX).

73
George  AI4VZ


> On 10/09/20 14:26, w4sc wrote:
> > I just was on chat with LuLu.  They will NOT print the pdf offered,
> unless you are the author.  They understood the desire to have a hard copy.
> >
> > Ben W4SC
> >
>
>
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[Elecraft] Height of K4 / SP4

[AL7CR]

What is the height of the front top edge of the K4 / SP4 with the bale 
extended?  I need to modify my custom K3 line cabinet for the new rig.  Thanks.
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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[Clay Autery]

Dude  just print it yourself on your chosen paper stock.  You can 
spiral bind it yourself at OfficeMax, et al.  OR you can send it off and 
have it bound.

Or just punch holes and put it in a folder or a notebook.

I have a FULL set of the latest Elecraft docs, et al. including ALL my 
Cady books printed and in notebooks for flat, easy reference.


Practice on a small, multi-page doc to get your printer settings 
optimized  I print best quality, two-sided, standard paper... Works 
great!


73,

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On 10/09/20 14:26, w4sc wrote:

I just was on chat with LuLu.  They will NOT print the pdf offered, unless you 
are the author.  They understood the desire to have a hard copy.

Ben W4SC



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[Elecraft] K3S on RTTY using DXLAB WinWarbler?

[David F. Reed]

Could someone please share how they set up WinWarbler with a K3S for 
RTTY using the K3s internal soundcard?


Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2020-10-09 12:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer,
> traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC.

I can't claim credit for that ... the information was originally
identified by W8JI in Yaesu rigs as far back as the FT1000D and
FT1000MP (and other Yaesu transceivers of that era).

Not only do Yaesu derive their ALC based on overdrive of the final
amplifiers, they have excess gain in both their TX IF and ALC loop
which only makes matters worse (as anyone who is familiar with the
design of servo control circuits will understand).  One can make a
noticeable improvement in TX IMD in Yaesu transceivers by reducing
the TX IF gain (if one knows how to access the factory alignment
menu) on each band to the minimum necessary to reach full output.
Reducing the IF gain also reduces "overshoot" and helps with the
key clicks but - alas - it does nothing about the phase noise
issues.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-10-09 12:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 10/8/2020 10:43 PM, JR wrote:
K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter 
noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what 
the ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem.


ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting, hence are unlikely to 
see these problems. My "paper" you referenced is a re-plotting of ARRL 
Lab data for all rigs on the same scale, and at scales large enough to 
clearly see differences. It is THEIR DATA, not mine.


Not a problem? Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB; current 
vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty on SSB, occupying three times the 
bandwidth of a clean SSB signal. W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer, 
traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC. I became aware of 
this when trying to work next to one of these dirty stations on the 
band; the P3SVGA display clearly showed the IMD-caused splatter on both 
sides of the station's intended signal. The splatter extended more than 
2 kHz below his USB suppressed carrier frequency, and almost than 5 kHz 
above it. A clean SSB signal (not ESSB) signal is about 2.7 kHz wide.


After this first experience, I observed a lot of signals like this, and 
asked some of them what rig they were using. It was nearly always a 
Yaesu. Those that were not were splattering because they were 
overdriving their amp.


This is NOT parochialism, it's solid engineering, which is my expertise. 
What's yours?


73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[w4sc]

I just was on chat with LuLu.  They will NOT print the pdf offered, unless you 
are the author.  They understood the desire to have a hard copy.

Ben W4SC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3s tx LED issue, need help

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

How is your Heil headset connected to the K3S?  Mic jack using the
Heil AD1K adapter or directly to the rear panel (3.5mm) mic jack?

Heil are *notorious* for incorrectly wiring their adapters
(mic ground and PTT ground reversed and/or mic ground connected
to the shell of the Foster plug).  If you have the AD1K adapter,
check it carefully!  Also, make sure you are not using the
extra high gain preamp - the Heil dynamic mics have enough drive
to work with RP.H/FP.H settings (the + is not needed and BIAS should
be OFF).  Heil's iC (electret) element works with RP.L/FP.L BIAS.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-10-09 1:14 PM, Bryan Savill wrote:

Here's my issue and it has just begun.
I'm using a Heil Proset with my K3s, when I switch to VOX the tx LED 
lights with no input.
With the headset on my head, if I touch the K3 case the LED goes out and 
I am able to tx while holding the case.
With the headset resting on my desk near the K3 the LED in not lit, but 
if I touch the headset the LED lights.

With the mic jack unplugged the LED does not light.
I've examined all jacks and lines
Seems like some sort of capacitance issue maybe.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

73,
Bryan
VE6HBS



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Re: [Elecraft] K4: DX Spots Displayed on PanAdapter

[Lou W0FK]

I did a search for the ability of the K4 to display DX spots on screen, and
the ability to "click" on them to QSY to the spot, interfacing with 3rd
party programs like DXLab or N1MM+ (assuming they can and do develop that
capability). 

I found Rich's question (see below), but couldn't determine if there had
been any answers.

What say you Wayne and/or Eric?

73,

Lou, W0FK


Richard Thorne-4 wrote
> I looked at the K4 at HamCom on Friday.  Very nice.
> 
> Unfortunately the demo was not running for some unforeseen reason 
> (murphy I'm sure).
> 
> The rep there said there would be an API for 3rd party software. Will 
> this make it possible to display DX Spots from logging programs like 
> DXLab?  If that's possible will a mouse plugged into the USB port of the 
> K4 allow one to click on the spot and have the K4 go to the correct 
> frequency and mode?
> 
> Rich - N5ZC





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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[K5ENL]

Thank you -- I will try to get Lulu to print my PDF for me. If they won't
then perhaps Copy Corner -- 



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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[K5ENL]

Thanks for the suggestion - I will try that..



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Re: [Elecraft] ARRL Lab reports suggestion

[Jim Brown]

On 10/9/2020 10:39 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

Every time I see one of those plots from the ARRL Lab, I wonder “what is a good 
number?” I really wish they would add some additional lines to the graph. One 
suggestion:

* FCC regulated limits (where they exist)
* 90th percentile (best 10%) of tests in the previous five years
* Best test in the previous five years


Some of that information is in my summary of ARRL Lab tests.

FCC limits are not expressed well for those who deal only with numbers. 
What SHOULD be the dominant paragraph says that the bandwidth of a 
signal shall be the minimum required for the means of transmission. In 
practical terms, that means carefully shaped CW keying, minimum phase 
noise, minimum IMD. It's essentially a "state of the art" spec. But 
because there are no numbers attached, the paragraph is widely ignored.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[w4sc]

You may want to check with Lulu.com

They may print you 1 copy for your use, which is allowed under US copyright 
law…. For an extra charge of course.  I believe the procedure would be purchase 
the pdf, download it, the submit it through their web site tool for on demand 
printing…

 I was looking for the last version of the Cady K3S P3 book and purchased the 
pdf, but the found a printed copy, which I purchased.  I want a 
macro-programming book also, and may try what I have outlined above.

Ben
W4SC


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[Elecraft] KAT500 remote

[Gordon LaPoint]

I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one 
problem with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off. This matters 
because when the remote site looses power the state of the KAT500 is 
unknown and the program does not indicate if the power is ON or OFF.  Is 
there a way to tell?


I can keep trying the POWER button then the TUNE button until it works, 
but it would be much better for a positive indication of the power state 
by button color or some other indication in the application.


I have set the "Initial Power" in the KAT500 utility to be "Power On" 
when DC  is applied, but not sure this is always observed.  I have no 
other way to see the remote site when this happens.


Any suggestions?

Gordon - N1MGO


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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[Mike Flowers]

And if you choose spiral bound printer stock, then your printed book will lay 
flat on the desk.

Pre-Punched Cut Sheets, 44 Hole Spiral, 20 lb., White

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

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> You’re allowed to print a copy for your own use. I prefer the print too.
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> > have it but I would prefer a printed copy if anyone has one they would
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s tx LED issue, need help

[Don Wilhelm]

Bryan,

I would first check the mic wiring for a broken or otherwise faulty 
ground wire.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/9/2020 1:14 PM, Bryan Savill wrote:

Here's my issue and it has just begun.
I'm using a Heil Proset with my K3s, when I switch to VOX the tx LED 
lights with no input.
With the headset on my head, if I touch the K3 case the LED goes out and 
I am able to tx while holding the case.
With the headset resting on my desk near the K3 the LED in not lit, but 
if I touch the headset the LED lights.

With the mic jack unplugged the LED does not light.
I've examined all jacks and lines
Seems like some sort of capacitance issue maybe.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Status

[Eric Swartz]

Hi Ken & Tom,

I ran out of time yesterday to write it up. (Running fast here at Elecraft
HQ :-)

I'll post the K4 update later today when I free myself from several
meetings etc.

73,
Eric
*elecraft.com *


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:55 AM Ken B via Elecraft 
wrote:

>  Good afternoon - Did anything get posted
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 02:18:57 PM EDT, Tom Doligalski via
> Elecraft  wrote:
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>  Just got off the phone with Eric. The K4 is steadily shipping, and they
> are working diligently to get through the huge numbers of orders.The
> company is in fine shape, thanks to the huge numbers of orders.
>
> Eric will be posting an update later today.
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Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[hawley, charles j jr]

You’re allowed to print a copy for your own use. I prefer the print too.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 12:43 PM, K5ENL  wrote:
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> Not sure if this is the correct place to post this - I apologize if it isn't
> == I know the Macro Programming Book is available in PDF and have it but I
> would prefer a printed copy if anyone has one they would be willing to part
> with.
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> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[Jim Brown]

On 10/9/2020 7:44 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:

Curious if the original shipping boxes seems to work when the radio is sent 
out, why re-invent the box?


The problem for most of us is storing the boxes. The solution I've 
adopted is to break down the boxes I want to keep by slicing the tape 
holding them together, then folding them flat for storage.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Question about shipping.

[Terry Schieler]

Several years ago I purchased shipping boxes for Collins S-Line radios from a 
source I believe was called "Ham Radio Boxes" .  I don't know if they are still 
around or not, but the boxes were exactly what I needed.

Terry  W0FM

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All,

 

I wonder if Elecraft would sell to its' consumers the boxes and packaging
material that would fit our radio, amps and other Elecraft products?

 

 

Best regards,

 

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[Elecraft] ELECRAFT MACRO PROGRAMMING BOOK BY FRED CADY

[K5ENL]

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this - I apologize if it isn't
== I know the Macro Programming Book is available in PDF and have it but I
would prefer a printed copy if anyone has one they would be willing to part
with.

Thank you

Ernie



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[Elecraft] ARRL Lab reports suggestion

[Walter Underwood]

> On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> Also see my detailed analysis of ARRL Lab tests of a selected number of rigs. 
> The raw data for my report came straight from ARRL Labs in electronic form. 
> Also see ARRL Lab plots of keying bandwidth and phase noise for Scott's radio.

Every time I see one of those plots from the ARRL Lab, I wonder “what is a good 
number?” I really wish they would add some additional lines to the graph. One 
suggestion:

* FCC regulated limits (where they exist)
* 90th percentile (best 10%) of tests in the previous five years
* Best test in the previous five years

I think those would be a nice contribution towards the "Continuation and 
extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of 
the radio art”, to quote Part 97.

I guess I should be telling this to QST and the ARRL Lab, not this list, but 
does this sound like a good idea to others?

Maybe Elecraft can publish these for the K4 to get the ball rolling.

wunder
K6WRU
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CM87wj
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 firmware 2.48 beta available

[K8TE]

Working well here too Dick.

73, Bill, K8TE



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Re: [Elecraft] Question about shipping.

[weave...@usermail.com]

I thought that was the cost of the hat :-)

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 12:04, Nr4c  wrote:
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> Yes. But the packing is a bit expensive. And, you get a free radio in every 
> box.  
> 
> I take it you didn’t save the one they sent it in.  Or you bought a pre-loved 
> item 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 6:27 PM, w...@jetbroadband.com wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder if Elecraft would sell to its' consumers the boxes and packaging
>> material that would fit our radio, amps and other Elecraft products?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry, W1IE
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[Elecraft] K3s tx LED issue, need help

[Bryan Savill]

Here's my issue and it has just begun.
I'm using a Heil Proset with my K3s, when I switch to VOX the tx LED 
lights with no input.
With the headset on my head, if I touch the K3 case the LED goes out and 
I am able to tx while holding the case.
With the headset resting on my desk near the K3 the LED in not lit, but 
if I touch the headset the LED lights.

With the mic jack unplugged the LED does not light.
I've examined all jacks and lines
Seems like some sort of capacitance issue maybe.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

73,
Bryan
VE6HBS
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Status

[Ken B via Elecraft]

 Good afternoon - Did anything get posted 




On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 02:18:57 PM EDT, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
 wrote:  
 
 Just got off the phone with Eric. The K4 is steadily shipping, and they are 
working diligently to get through the huge numbers of orders.The company is in 
fine shape, thanks to the huge numbers of orders.

Eric will be posting an update later today.

Tom W4KX


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

[Jim Brown]

On 10/8/2020 10:43 PM, JR wrote:
K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter 
noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what the 
ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem.


ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting, hence are unlikely to 
see these problems. My "paper" you referenced is a re-plotting of ARRL 
Lab data for all rigs on the same scale, and at scales large enough to 
clearly see differences. It is THEIR DATA, not mine.


Not a problem? Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB; current 
vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty on SSB, occupying three times the 
bandwidth of a clean SSB signal. W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer, 
traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC. I became aware of 
this when trying to work next to one of these dirty stations on the 
band; the P3SVGA display clearly showed the IMD-caused splatter on both 
sides of the station's intended signal. The splatter extended more than 
2 kHz below his USB suppressed carrier frequency, and almost than 5 kHz 
above it. A clean SSB signal (not ESSB) signal is about 2.7 kHz wide.


After this first experience, I observed a lot of signals like this, and 
asked some of them what rig they were using. It was nearly always a 
Yaesu. Those that were not were splattering because they were 
overdriving their amp.


This is NOT parochialism, it's solid engineering, which is my expertise. 
What's yours?


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[Walter Underwood]

In my case, I would need to disassemble my KX3 and put it all back in the 
individual kit subboxes.
I never had a box that holds an assembled KX3. Same thing for the PX3 and 
KXPA100. :-)

wunder
K6WRU
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CM87wj
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> On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Frank Krozel  wrote:
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> Curious if the original shipping boxes seems to work when the radio is sent 
> out, why re-invent the box?
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> -73-  FrankKG9H
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Re: [Elecraft] Question about shipping.

[Phil Kane]

On 10/9/2020 9:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:

> I take it you didn’t save the one they sent it in.  Or you bought a pre-loved 
> item 

Or it was built from a kit, as mine was.

But I do save shipping boxes, to the chagrin of my wife--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Question about shipping.

[Nr4c]

Yes. But the packing is a bit expensive. And, you get a free radio in every 
box.  

I take it you didn’t save the one they sent it in.  Or you bought a pre-loved 
item 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 8, 2020, at 6:27 PM, w...@jetbroadband.com wrote:
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> All,
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> I wonder if Elecraft would sell to its' consumers the boxes and packaging
> material that would fit our radio, amps and other Elecraft products?
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> Best regards,
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> Jerry, W1IE
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Re: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[hawley, charles j jr]

K3 bought as kits!

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Frank Krozel  wrote:
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> Curious if the original shipping boxes seems to work when the radio is sent 
> out, why re-invent the box?
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> -73-  FrankKG9H
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[N2TK via Elecraft]

When I had sent my K3 to Elecraft for a going over a few months ago, it was
returned it in a nice custom foam and cardboard box, which I have saved.
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Kimo Chun
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

Just as a reference. Over the years I've sent equipment to Yaesu USA for
repair. I sent them in the original sales box surrounded by a form-fitting
shipping box as I received it from the dealer. When I received it back both
boxes were within a new form-fitting box so I ended up with the equivalent
of a 3 wall thickness box.

It would be nice if Elecraft and others could do the same plus send back
equipment with new custom foam and in custom boxes (if they don't already)
if received without them. However, I do believe Yaesu did charge for the
overpacking. I don't recall if it was an option but I believe they may have
warned you of that fact and practice before you sent it in. I, for one,
welcome the safe practice to protect my equipment.

Of course, Yaesu and others build their higher end radios with a larger and
much heavier cast aluminum chassis which makes custom foam and boxes more
critical.

73, Kimo KH7U
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[Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q

[Jim Borowski]

I have Bose QC-35 headphones. Noise canceling does not work on any radio when 
you use the cord. Headphones work well with a Bluetooth connection.What kind of 
device do I use, if and when my K4 is delivered?Also on the K4 can a USB port 
expander be used on the K4 with multiple devices and what is the K4 limited  
to?Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Re: [Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[Frank Krozel]

Curious if the original shipping boxes seems to work when the radio is sent 
out, why re-invent the box?

-73-  FrankKG9H
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[Elecraft] New boxes and packing for Elecraft equipment

[Kimo Chun]

Just as a reference. Over the years I've sent equipment to Yaesu USA for
repair. I sent them in the original sales box surrounded by a form-fitting
shipping box as I received it from the dealer. When I received it back both
boxes were within a new form-fitting box so I ended up with the equivalent
of a 3 wall thickness box.

It would be nice if Elecraft and others could do the same plus send back
equipment with new custom foam and in custom boxes (if they don't already)
if received without them. However, I do believe Yaesu did charge for the
overpacking. I don't recall if it was an option but I believe they may have
warned you of that fact and practice before you sent it in. I, for one,
welcome the safe practice to protect my equipment.

Of course, Yaesu and others build their higher end radios with a larger and
much heavier cast aluminum chassis which makes custom foam and boxes more
critical.

73, Kimo KH7U
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 replacement?

[Wes]

Very sorry to hear this... I can only imagine.  But at least you didn't lose 
your sense of humor.


Wes  N7WS

On 10/8/2020 7:17 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:


I'm one of the Elecraft engineers who lost his home in the California 
wildfires.  I lost a loaded K3, two of Rose's cases, P3/SVGA/TX-MON, K2, KX3, 
PX3, W2, XG3, XG50, T1 and lots of other ham and test equipment.  Not to 
mention my house and all the rest of its contents.


Now I get to start over.  I'm just about to order some new QSL cards.

My girlfriend wants me to buy some clothes, but first things first.  :=)

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 charger failure?

[Dippy Hippy]

I had exactly the same symptons as the OP just a couple of weeks ago and it 
puzzled me too. With my KX3, the "cure" for this behaviour was to change the 
display settings from external voltage to internal voltage. I think that the 
radio displays a default reading first and then changes during its boot up 
procedure dependent upon how you have it configured?

Apologies if I'm off target here- I've just endured an hour and a half trying 
to work out how to post a reply and I'm still not sure! My bad I guess?

Steve, G4VRR.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 built-in operating manual now available

[Neil Zampella]

FYI:   the Elecraft website also has PDF versions of the K4 manual that
you can print right now.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 10/8/2020 3:54 PM, Nigel Lemaire wrote:

I kind of like that the K4 has a built in manual, which is no doubt
updated as required AUTOMATICALLY.

Is there a provision to print out the manual from the K4?  I'm pretty
much a "paper person" and print out all my manuals. Not having to
revisit the Elecraft web to see if a more recent version of a manual
is available would be a  nice bonus IMHO.

73
Nigel
WA6MSE


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[Elecraft] Noisy radios

[Conrad PA5Y]

This is not nonsense in my experience, but I am an exclusively VHF operator 
where bad transmitters are immediately obvious. This statement ''nobody 
considers them poor neighbors' is incorrect. I do! They are bloody awful!

Rob Sherwood's attempts at focusing attention on poor TX composite noise and 
poor IMD is admirable. I hope that he continues to raise awareness on this 
issue.

On 6m those using the FTDX-5000 with QRO are quite difficult to deal with. Less 
so now everybody is on 50.313 and most locals are on the same sequence!

One FTDX-5000 user is on 2m and 70cms EME, he uses the FTDX-5000 as a driver 
for his transverters. Same problem, the poor PN is extremely evident. Again, 
the use of the same TX sequence helps and fortunately he does not participate 
in VHF contests.

The other radio that is quite offensive is the IC-7300 when used with a PA. 
When the power is turned down the composite noise gets much worse, especially 
on 6m. Some people are using them to drive transverters, same problem. It is 
obvious because there is a major noise bump at +300kHz!

I have measurements done with an FSWP Noise analyser to back this up. There are 
thousands of IC7300s in use and this is one very disappointing aspect of their 
performance. The user is unaffected, other band users must suffer. The IC9700 
is fine unless used with a big PA then these are not good neighbours. I can see 
the appeal of these radios but Icom need to do better!

The FTDX-101 series is MUCH better than Yaesu's previous offerings, although I 
only know of 2 of them locally. They are good in fact.

If you like I CAN substantiate the claims with measurements.

The K3S has excellent low PN but use it on SSB and the IMD is unacceptable, I 
am VERY disappointed with my K3S TX IMD on 6m. Good job nobody uses SSB on 6m 
these days  This is an extremely unpopular opinion on this forum and I really 
hope that the K4 is better!

It is extremely difficult to convince the owner of a shiny new radio that his 
signal is bad, it MUST be the receiver. Even though receivers are getting 
better and better.

73

Conrad PA5Y


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of JR 
Sent: 09 October 2020 07:43
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

K9YC said ... You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios 
-- clicks
and splatter have been the rule.

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There is too much parochialism in ham radio.

A couple of ops say this, failing to prove the claim, or substantiate it 
applies beyond a couple of isolated cases.  While Mr. Sherwood knows ONE guy 
with a noisy FT3000,  there are loads of them in service in my market, and 
nobody considers them poor neighbors.  If they are all that bad, we would know 
it.   Such unsubstantiated claims reminds me of a similar row on the TT 
reflector, where some guy in Germany claimed the TS-890 is a "noise machine" 
compared to the TT Eagle - and failed to document more than two or three 
alleged cases, and today recommends the TS-890 as a good rig to buy!  K9YC 
published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter noise figures 
- which belies the claim and ultimately validates what the ARRL Lab told me - 
namely neither rig is a problem.  And, yet, the claim persists.

So, great ... he we go again.  More unsubstantiated nonsense.  This sort of 
parochialism both off-topic and does a disservice.  K8JHR




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