[Elecraft] Elecraft Service
I also have a K3S in need of service. I submitted an Elecraft support request on February 7, 2022 and was told that I was #11 on the wait list. After waiting 6 weeks, I send another email to Elecraft support to see if I had moved up on the list. At that time I was told "While you're # 11 on the waitlist, #1 is also waiting." I also have a K4 on order from December, 2021 , but it's not looking like I'll have a repaired K3s or a new K4 anytime soon. Still waiting. Jim W6KC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Boy, a lot of comments on this topic. I'll try to brief: I bought my K3/10 in 2010. My primary use was for eme using transverters so I did not need 100w version. I did buy the KXV3 and TCXO-03, EXREF, and KRX3. Decided on the 8-pole filters (13, 2.8, 0.400 MHz in the main Rx and 2.8 in the sub-Rx). Main focus was the low phase-noise LO and superb CW performance (I had a FT-847 before which I ran 2m-eme, but HF was mediocre). The K3 fit my needs (as my forever radio). I acquired a KX3 plus 2m module and then the KXPA-100 (targeting portable/mobile use including as IF for mw operations). The KXPA-100 fit well with the K3/10 as a bonus. Only had one issue needing repair on the K3 and that was my KI03A apparently was hit blowing up a ferrite choke and IC. I could have upgraded to a KI03B but really did not need the USB I/F. Part availability and perhaps manpower issue delayed return for about three months (summer 2019). I could not operate digital eme modes without the board. Probably will not upgrade to a K4D, but sure looks nice. I', estimating maybe ten more years of ham radio (64-years as a ham, so far). One last solar cycle peak (first was 1958). Certainly many new SDR to chose from now days. Choosing a new rig is about what your needs and use are. A used K3 or K3s would not be a bad choice (if you want it fast). K4 is probably worth waiting for. Side note: just bought new John Deere lawn tractor/mower for $4K ($400/year payback). But my old Craftsman is 13 years old (and it wants to retire). Well I've been retired 13 years. 73, Ed - KL7UW 2022 projects: HF/6m 1200w MRF1k50 amplifier (kit) 2m-eme array/tower rebuild 16-foot dish rebuild 6-foot dish for 10-GHz eme Renovation of storage shed into ham shack/work shop just taking it easy this summer (and spending too much money) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
Thank you! On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill wrote: > > > > I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to > order when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they > could build and ship to know purchasers…and perhaps more. > > Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in > fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become > available. > > We're building some extras of each module. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > -- Richard Hill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
> > On Apr 21, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Richard Hill wrote: > > I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order > when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could build > and ship to know purchasers…and perhaps more. Yes. We completed that process. Some of the "last call" modules are in fabrication or will be soon, while others are waiting for parts to become available. We're building some extras of each module. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Tim N9PUZ has an excellent point. Manufacturers of any long-lived electronic equipment have a neverending battle with component obsolescence. Say an FPGA goes end-of-life and there is no pin-compatible part. This is a problem that I have had professional experience with -- and which AFAIK has no good solution without taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in engineering costs. In another instance, a jellybean processor was declared end-of-life and the entire product line (dozens of products) had to be redesigned to keep it manufacturable. I doubt that Elecraft (or Flex, for that matter) has the funds for a lot of that sort of workaround. It's possible to take some engineering measures against component obsolescence, e.g. to design with multiple-source components. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
On 2022-04-21 14:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: It comes down to two things: the design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. This reminds me of a youtube video I recently watched. "Curious Mark" was trying to fix an HP ( or Agilent, or whatever they're calling themselves these days ) tracking generator from the 90's. He had an interesting conversation with HP: "Could you give me the schematic?" "I'm sorry, we don't give that out for newer equipment". "OK, could I send it in for repair?" "I'm sorry, we don't do that for older equipment". ...He wound up fixing it himself. An amazing feat of reverse engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVrDyLMVS4U - Jerry KF6VB I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these issues. As evidence I could point to: - the K2, still in production after 20 years - the KX3, still in production after 10 years - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing support) This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to je...@tr2.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
I thought the last call was to get on a list so they knew how much to order when suitable parts were found, and ultimately acquired, so they could build and ship to know purchasers…and perhaps more. NU6T On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 3:11 PM Julia Tuttle wrote: > Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last > call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or > re-engineering modules to make those available again? > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > In response to this voluminous thread: > > > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design > lifetime > > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, > we're > > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue > providing > > support) > > > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with > our > > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > > community of growth and camaraderie. > > > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nu6t.r...@gmail.com > -- Richard Hill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft Service
OK - I have to respond to this one. A sign in my local gas station sums it up - "The whole world has gone mad. Don't take it out on the ones who show up" I'm 100%c certain that Wayne, and everyone else at Elecraft want to provide the absolute BEST customer service to ALL of their customers, and are doing everything in their power to do so. But, "stuff happens"; and sometimes a leader must make the "best choice" of multiple "horrible" choices, all of which have negative consequences. And to paraphrase my wise GP - "No one's baby will die if we don't get our radios back as fast as we might expect" 73! Clay N7QNM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
Wait, so what is the deal with K3 modules? I thought there was a "last call" for orders a while back. Are y'all finding second sources or re-engineering modules to make those available again? On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:49 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > In response to this voluminous thread: > > First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our > radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. > > Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other > electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime > of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle > supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. > > I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these > issues. As evidence I could point to: > > - the K2, still in production after 20 years > > - the KX3, still in production after 10 years > > - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're > acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing > support) > > This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, > replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a > new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. > > Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new > accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware > updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our > roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a > community of growth and camaraderie. > > Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thank Wayne, you will not receive a similar policy statement from ICOM, YAESU or any other HAM gear manufacturer. Thank You Wayne/Elecraft/ 73, Lou KE1F On 4/21/2022 21:49, Wayne Burdick wrote: In response to this voluminous thread: First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these issues. As evidence I could point to: - the K2, still in production after 20 years - the KX3, still in production after 10 years - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing support) This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmecs...@cfl.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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And we ALL appreciate the products and services you are famous for, Wayne! My old K3 (SN 1540) runs for hours almost every day ;-) And I love it! GL and VY 73, Lance On 4/21/2022 21:49:02, Wayne Burdick wrote: In response to this voluminous thread: First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these issues. As evidence I could point to: - the K2, still in production after 20 years - the KX3, still in production after 10 years - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing support) This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@bigskyspaces.com -- Lance Collister, W7GJ(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ, V6M, T8GJ, VK9CGJ, VK9XGJ, C21GJ, CP1GJ, S79GJ, TX7MB, TO7GJ) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073 USA TEL: (406) 626-5728 QTH: DN27ub URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj Skype: lanceW7GJ 2m DXCC #11 - 6m DXCC #815 - FFMA #7 Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the new Magic Band EME email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Dr. Bill, I am 85, and have an updated K3 line (K3, P3, KT500 and KP500) with the removed boards from the K3 upgrade in stock. I will leave a note with the station, when I am on the SK page of QST contact you and offer it to you. Hi. Is that a fair deal? 73, Lou KE1F On 4/21/2022 15:15, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: This brings up a rather sobering reality. Over the last few months, I've depleted my parts supply for the K3/K3S to practically nothing after helping a few friends with failures. For example, I stockpiled older KIO3 boards when people upgraded to the KIO3B boards... but my stash is gone now, after lightning strikes and other failures myself and friends have had. I've also fixed a myriad of other modules in K3, KPA500, KPA1500 etc. and am just keeping my head above water at my contest stations due to lack of overall support. I can scrounge and get individual parts, but no replacement cards are available. I guess we are all going to have to decide what our direction forward will be when the failure occurs for which there are no parts. What are others doing? Waiting in line for K4 or moving on to different vendors? Anyone have "scrap" K3 or K3s for sale??? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Ronnie Hull Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:47 AM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; rikoski Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service I’ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi Richard, I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. Wayne N6KR On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski wrote: I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 months now. It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. I moved up four places in a month? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to b...@wjschmidt.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmecs...@cfl.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
what I find interesting is that MANY of our towns/counties and states continue to purchase MOTOROLA radios, which has support for 6 years. I may be incorrect , but I am the belief after 6 years your Moto is on its own, with NO factory support. AND THEY CHARGE A LOT Sad as many of their radios are still working great after 20-30 40 years of service. Looks like some of our expectations are just not realistic anymore... it is all about the parts !!! On 4/21/2022 4:12 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote: I don't think many of us would be happy with the change in pricing if Elecraft were to guarantee the ability to replace and repair radios for a long period of time. Many electronic components go "end of life" very quickly. Some percentage of those parts will break over the life of a product. For a manufacturer to state they will repair a given product for, let's say, ten years, they would have to estimate the failures likely to occur and the parts needed to make those repairs up front. Then they have to buy, inventory, and safely store all of those parts for ten years after the last model comes off the production line. That cost is non-trivial and is ultimately borne by the customer who may need those parts one day. This is why an engine controller for your car may cost thousands of dollars even though it only has a hundred bucks worth of components. They also take into account that they may never sell those parts they will store for years. The customer ultimately pays for a lot of that as well. If there was a promise they could be repaired for a specified period of time, none of us might be able to afford a KX or K series transceiver. This is life in the age of electronics. Tim N9PUZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@arrl.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft Service: we hear you
In response to this voluminous thread: First, I'd like to thank everyone who has purchased and enjoyed using our radios. It's heartwarming to hear of your continued support. Many of you have already articulated the present challenges we and other electronic companies face. It comes down to two things: the design lifetime of modern, miniature components like ICs and connectors; and a fickle supply chain--one that imploded because of events of the past two years. I can promise that we'll do everything possible to keep ahead of these issues. As evidence I could point to: - the K2, still in production after 20 years - the KX3, still in production after 10 years - the K3 (going on 14 years; even though we're no longer selling it, we're acquiring the components to build additional modules and continue providing support) This is in stark contrast to the practice of some of our competitors, replacing radios with new ones that are largely tweaks on the old, on a new-car/new-smartphone cycle of every few years. Throughout the lifetime of each of our products, we've offered new accessories, new internal option modules, and numerous free firmware updates. This gradual evolution of each product line is consistent with our roots as a kit company, engaging what amounts to a nation of Elmers in a community of growth and camaraderie. Thanks, again, for being the best customers a little company ever had. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters
Only one band? Sounds like the classic RFI into the computer, the cables between the radio and computer. Most likely common mode current on the feedline coming back down into the station area. That would require common mode choke to be installed at the feed point of the antenna. Might try a couple of turns of coax through a FT core and see if that helps. A couple of clamp on beads on the cable between the radio and computer might help. But the antenna feed point is really the best place to censure common mode current. Also..make sure every piece of station equipment is bonded to a common point. I use the station power supply ground terminal for my common point. Each piece of equipment has a dedicated jumper to this point. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/21/2022 7:50 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 13 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:20:38 -0700 From: Frank O'Donnell To:"elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Rig control error with K3S and WSJT-X on 30 meters Message-ID:<792c3760-8000-ef9b-93d1-30dafa060...@inkbox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Over a period of time I've noticed an occasional error when transmitting FT8 on 30 meters with my K3S using WSJT-X. A couple of seconds into a transmit cycle, WSJT-X will display a "Rig control error" box, and I start hearing the rig's modulated audio output on its own speaker. This only happens on 30 meters, and not 100% of the time. Over the past day, I've done FT8 QSOs normally on various bands, but when I tried 30 meters tonight I experienced the above error several times in a row. It's occurred over time using various versions of WSJT-X. The computer is a Mac running Catalina. I tried going into WSJT-X preferences and changing Radio > Split Operation from "Rig" to "Fake It," but the error persisted. I can try changing around various parts of the setup (using a Windows PC, for example), but first was curious if anyone has seen a band-specific error like this. Thanks, Frank K6FOD -- IF ONE EXPECTS COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS, ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS AND TECHNOLOGY AND ONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBLEMS." __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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That's what modular design was supposed to address ... as originally advertised. Modules being no longer available negates that entirely. Dave AB7E On 4/21/2022 2:19 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not as easy to repair. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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The answer to your question is simple. My "expectation" was based upon what Elecraft told us back then. Whether I had any right to believe it or not, Elecraft advertised their products as having long term support because the design of the radio was modular and subassemblies could be replaced as they were superceded by newer designs, failed, or were damaged. I'm not complaining because the K4 and other radios have features that the K3 does not. My K3 currently works fine, but if the fragile KIO3 board fails my K3 will become useless for serious contesting. I'm complaining because Elecraft simply decided not to honor the support promises they made in their advertising back when I bought the radio. It was a decision they purposefully made, and obviously not one forced upon them by parts shortages or any other such excuse because they offered a final run of units to anyone who wanted to buy one ... either in addition to what they had or on contingency against future loss. You have twisted this thread to one of no further improvements when the concern is lack of support for existing gear. There is a difference of about 50 years between your old GTO and my K3. As I stated earlier, Elecraft could at least assist some third party to take over the functions they no longer want to provide, but they have shown no apparent inclination to do so. Dave AB7E On 4/21/2022 1:54 PM, Rick NK7I wrote: Seriously mislead? Really? Or was it unrealistic expectations (depending on when you bought too). Does the K3 meet your current and expected needs NOW, while it is working? Then enjoy it. Buy parts as you can to repair or upgrade it; listed weekly on most email lists; at a discount cost (for now). There is NO reason for that to change, but your needs might. e.g. Say in 2008 (when the K3 came out), you bought a new large screen LCD TV (circa $3,000 US). Would you complain now that it doesn't have wifi, has no streaming, isn't in 4K and cannot be repaired? Or would you relegate it to the guest room (or e-cycle) and move on? Or a computer (those were Pentium days, barely I-x chips were available); or any other piece of timely technology? They still run, but try adding more memory or other parts now. The BEST cell phone I ever owned, was a Motorola 'bag phone'; no streaming, texting, video etc features, it was a near flawless analog PHONE. Then the cell world shifted to digital and it was worthless. Was I mislead to buy that? That answer is no; we should expect technology to change and adapt over time, eventually fading away in usefulness. That at some point, older products are no longer of useful value to most of the others, except collectors. If it's still useful and meets your needs, I fail to see how you were mislead. You did your research, bought the product chosen while knowing (that throughout history) at some point it would fail and repairs are no longer factory supported. It was a good run, it's still useful now, as that line is ending. You can't get factory parts for my old '64 GTO anymore either, at least not without a 'premium' cost. (Wish I still had it too!) I see the end of the K3 run as an opportunity for a start up repair shop; just like old car buffs and OLD radio folks manage to create. One door closes, another opens. 73, Rick NK7I On 4/21/2022 12:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which promised long term support for upgrades and repair. The performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft. 73, Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack In those days, radios were easily field-repairable. If one quit working, you replaced a tube or perhaps a burned-up resistor or dried-out electrolytic capacitor. Almost all the parts were standard devices that you could order from a parts distributor. Component-level repair is almost a thing of the past. For one thing, modern radios include microprocessors, application-specific ICs, and other very useful parts that unfortunately can become unobtanium once they become obsolete. Another problem is that surface-mounted parts are harder to work on. For example, if a ball-grid array IC fails, you need highly-specialized equipment to remove it and install a new one. And then there is the problem of programmable devices such as microprocessors and gate arrays. Even if you replace the part, you still have to figure out how to program it somehow. Modern amateur radio transceivers are marvels of technology that run rings around the radios of yore, but the price we pay is they are not as easy to repair. Alan N1AL On 4/21/22 14:40, K9ZTV wrote: No radio is ever "toss and replace" if it is cared for. There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack that has never been back to Miamisburg, and a Hallicrafters T.O. keyer of the same vintage that has never revisited Chicago. There is a 46 year old KWM-2A that has never taken a trip back to Cedar Rapids, and a 23 year old FT-1000D that has never taken a flight to Tokyo. None are software upgradeable, all are obsolete. None have fully obtainable parts, yet all are fully functional and occasionally on the air. Moreover, my own 15 year old $4000 K3 has somehow survived operator miscues of a dozen or more Field Days and I trust it will survive those of the upcoming one as well. In my experience, amateur radio equipment does not self-destruct. They need our help. Which would imply that maybe the fraternity's first obligation to a new ham is to inform him of those things that will harm whatever he is eager to buy. And perhaps its second obligation is to remind him again when he is eager to spend real money. 73, Kent K9ZTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Barry and Friends, There was once a rule in RCA that no component was used that did not have a minimum of two manufacturing sources. Limiting in ways but like derating components not a bad approach. Then again RCA Computer Division went bankrupt and ultimately brought the whole corporation with it. Major Armstrong you are allowed a smile. I have also seen a small division of ABB closed because of problems with electrolytic capacitors not being derated. It is a treacherous place out there. Look at all the great marks which are no longer with us. I pray Elecraft overcomes the repair department problems and is with us for decades past my own demise. 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy Original message From: Barry Baines via Elecraft Date: 21/04/2022 21:20 (GMT+00:00) To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service Dave:> On Apr 21, 2022, at 2:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote:> > > For most other brands you can find a repair center somewhere certified by the manufacturer. Elecraft has never done that, and now that they no longer support replacement modules and appear to have significantly pared down their own repair services, I will pretty much be left high and dry if my K3 should suffer any failure unless I can figure out how to fix it myself.> > I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which promised long term support for upgrades and repair. The performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft.I guess the obvious question to ask is whether a company other than Elecraft currently meets your expectations, and if so, what are their distinguishing characteristics that would meet your expectations? How “long term” is long term? As a user of both Elecraft and FlexRadio products, my experience is that in today’s world we’re purchasing an ‘ecosystem’ and not just a ‘radio.’ Flex’s current ecosystem (6xxx series, PGXL, TGXL, etc.) was initially announced at the 2012 Hamvention with the 6700 but it wasn't until 2017 that the 6 series met performance promises, 2018 when the PGXL was released, and 2021 when the TGXL was released. There was also the Maestro released in 2016 but is currently unavailable as is being redesigned (again) because the tablet that is embedded in it is no longer available. Presumably the “C” version will be available late this year. We shall see. On top of that was the introduction of SmartSDR for iOS, SmartSDR for Mac, and DogPark SDR for Mac. It remains to be seen whether a 3rd party will ever develop SmartSDR for Android or SmartSDR for Linux. The introduction of these software packages along with Maestro makes the Flex system extremely versatile, but at relatively significant cost and ‘wait time’ for these capabilities to be introduced.On the Elecraft side, one could argue that the KPA1500 was the kickoff of the ’next gen’ Elecraft line when it was introduced in 2017 and delivered in 2018. As I recall, the K4 series was announced at Hamvention in 2019 and with all of the "external challenges” (Covid, supply chain issues, California wildfires, etc.) it wasn’t until 2021 that first deliveries were made. I understand that there are still features to be released such as remote operation. I have no idea how much production backlog they currently have or when they’ll produce the various iterations such as kits. I don’t know the status of the K4D or K4HD. So at this point one might come to the conclusion that at this moment after 10 years of “evolution” the Flex product line is at full stride where customers (with the exception of Maestro) can order online and have their product shortly thereafter. As I recall, Flex did bring 6 series production back ‘in house’ (I believe in 2020) when 3rd party production problems arose. An underlying question is the long term prospects of sourcing parts for the current generation 6xxx series. Evolving parts may well force a redesign and that in turn could turn the product development cycle back on its head again.Down-the-road as Elecraft continues its development and production of the K4, they will at some point reach their goal of providing a multifaceted K4 with the appropriate firmware/software options. I have no idea how long that development time will be, but my conclusion is that the creation of the new ‘ecosystem’ is what we’re now experiencing, not simply the creation of a ‘radio.’ Elecraft’s vision to produce such a product line means that purchasers will likely have an ‘evolutionary’ experience with these products where new/updated/upgraded features are released as they are developed. I’m happy with my K3 system (K3-KPA500-KAT500 + P3) and will use it until it fails. A year ago yesterday (20 APR 21) I ordered and paid for the KIO3BUPKT-FullDep_KIO3B Upgrade Kit
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
Seriously mislead? Really? Or was it unrealistic expectations (depending on when you bought too). Does the K3 meet your current and expected needs NOW, while it is working? Then enjoy it. Buy parts as you can to repair or upgrade it; listed weekly on most email lists; at a discount cost (for now). There is NO reason for that to change, but your needs might. e.g. Say in 2008 (when the K3 came out), you bought a new large screen LCD TV (circa $3,000 US). Would you complain now that it doesn't have wifi, has no streaming, isn't in 4K and cannot be repaired? Or would you relegate it to the guest room (or e-cycle) and move on? Or a computer (those were Pentium days, barely I-x chips were available); or any other piece of timely technology? They still run, but try adding more memory or other parts now. The BEST cell phone I ever owned, was a Motorola 'bag phone'; no streaming, texting, video etc features, it was a near flawless analog PHONE. Then the cell world shifted to digital and it was worthless. Was I mislead to buy that? That answer is no; we should expect technology to change and adapt over time, eventually fading away in usefulness. That at some point, older products are no longer of useful value to most of the others, except collectors. If it's still useful and meets your needs, I fail to see how you were mislead. You did your research, bought the product chosen while knowing (that throughout history) at some point it would fail and repairs are no longer factory supported. It was a good run, it's still useful now, as that line is ending. You can't get factory parts for my old '64 GTO anymore either, at least not without a 'premium' cost. (Wish I still had it too!) I see the end of the K3 run as an opportunity for a start up repair shop; just like old car buffs and OLD radio folks manage to create. One door closes, another opens. 73, Rick NK7I On 4/21/2022 12:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which promised long term support for upgrades and repair. The performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft. 73, Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Dear OMs and YLs, It is not so long ago that the K3S and slightly different K3 were in production. Certainly not seven years for the K3S. I am dissapointed with Elecraft on this issue. It is one of the few bad marks. Maybe the delays in repair are not necessarily do to parts but lack of good technicians. Problems are not diagnosed according to one of our number. I once worked summers for a Connecticut company who let their repair inventories build to an embarassing level till they realised this was not good for business. They turned the situation around. I hope our valued mother ship will do the same.This is not to say that shortages are not a problem these days but at least let the customer know what the difficulty is. I am disappointed.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy Original message From: Tim N9PUZ Date: 21/04/2022 21:14 (GMT+00:00) To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service I don't think many of us would be happy with the change in pricing ifElecraft were to guarantee the ability to replace and repair radios for along period of time. Many electronic components go "end of life" veryquickly. Some percentage of those parts will break over the life of aproduct.For a manufacturer to state they will repair a given product for, let'ssay, ten years, they would have to estimate the failures likely to occurand the parts needed to make those repairs up front. Then they have to buy,inventory, and safely store all of those parts for ten years after the lastmodel comes off the production line. That cost is non-trivial and isultimately borne by the customer who may need those parts one day. This iswhy an engine controller for your car may cost thousands of dollars eventhough it only has a hundred bucks worth of components. They also take intoaccount that they may never sell those parts they will store for years. Thecustomer ultimately pays for a lot of that as well.If there was a promise they could be repaired for a specified period oftime, none of us might be able to afford a KX or K series transceiver. Thisis life in the age of electronics.Tim N9PUZ__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnb...@net1.ie __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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No radio is ever "toss and replace" if it is cared for. There is a 52 year old Drake B-line in my shack that has never been back to Miamisburg, and a Hallicrafters T.O. keyer of the same vintage that has never revisited Chicago. There is a 46 year old KWM-2A that has never taken a trip back to Cedar Rapids, and a 23 year old FT-1000D that has never taken a flight to Tokyo. None are software upgradeable, all are obsolete. None have fully obtainable parts, yet all are fully functional and occasionally on the air. Moreover, my own 15 year old $4000 K3 has somehow survived operator miscues of a dozen or more Field Days and I trust it will survive those of the upcoming one as well. In my experience, amateur radio equipment does not self-destruct. They need our help. Which would imply that maybe the fraternity's first obligation to a new ham is to inform him of those things that will harm whatever he is eager to buy. And perhaps its second obligation is to remind him again when he is eager to spend real money. 73, Kent K9ZTV >> Someone posted: >> "I expected a longer run for the K3 in years and the same with the K3s. >> Software upgradeable, never obsolete ... >> How can we be to a point where a $4,000 radio should be considered a toss >> and replace?" __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Dave: > On Apr 21, 2022, at 2:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > For most other brands you can find a repair center somewhere certified by the > manufacturer. Elecraft has never done that, and now that they no longer > support replacement modules and appear to have significantly pared down their > own repair services, I will pretty much be left high and dry if my K3 should > suffer any failure unless I can figure out how to fix it myself. > > I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which > promised long term support for upgrades and repair. The performance is still > near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I > ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft. I guess the obvious question to ask is whether a company other than Elecraft currently meets your expectations, and if so, what are their distinguishing characteristics that would meet your expectations? How “long term” is long term? As a user of both Elecraft and FlexRadio products, my experience is that in today’s world we’re purchasing an ‘ecosystem’ and not just a ‘radio.’ Flex’s current ecosystem (6xxx series, PGXL, TGXL, etc.) was initially announced at the 2012 Hamvention with the 6700 but it wasn't until 2017 that the 6 series met performance promises, 2018 when the PGXL was released, and 2021 when the TGXL was released. There was also the Maestro released in 2016 but is currently unavailable as is being redesigned (again) because the tablet that is embedded in it is no longer available. Presumably the “C” version will be available late this year. We shall see. On top of that was the introduction of SmartSDR for iOS, SmartSDR for Mac, and DogPark SDR for Mac. It remains to be seen whether a 3rd party will ever develop SmartSDR for Android or SmartSDR for Linux. The introduction of these software packages along with Maestro makes the Flex system extremely versatile, but at relatively significant cost and ‘wait time’ for these capabilities to be introduced. On the Elecraft side, one could argue that the KPA1500 was the kickoff of the ’next gen’ Elecraft line when it was introduced in 2017 and delivered in 2018. As I recall, the K4 series was announced at Hamvention in 2019 and with all of the "external challenges” (Covid, supply chain issues, California wildfires, etc.) it wasn’t until 2021 that first deliveries were made. I understand that there are still features to be released such as remote operation. I have no idea how much production backlog they currently have or when they’ll produce the various iterations such as kits. I don’t know the status of the K4D or K4HD. So at this point one might come to the conclusion that at this moment after 10 years of “evolution” the Flex product line is at full stride where customers (with the exception of Maestro) can order online and have their product shortly thereafter. As I recall, Flex did bring 6 series production back ‘in house’ (I believe in 2020) when 3rd party production problems arose. An underlying question is the long term prospects of sourcing parts for the current generation 6xxx series. Evolving parts may well force a redesign and that in turn could turn the product development cycle back on its head again. Down-the-road as Elecraft continues its development and production of the K4, they will at some point reach their goal of providing a multifaceted K4 with the appropriate firmware/software options. I have no idea how long that development time will be, but my conclusion is that the creation of the new ‘ecosystem’ is what we’re now experiencing, not simply the creation of a ‘radio.’ Elecraft’s vision to produce such a product line means that purchasers will likely have an ‘evolutionary’ experience with these products where new/updated/upgraded features are released as they are developed. I’m happy with my K3 system (K3-KPA500-KAT500 + P3) and will use it until it fails. A year ago yesterday (20 APR 21) I ordered and paid for the KIO3BUPKT-FullDep_KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. At this point I have no idea when it will be delivered. I ordered it to extend the useful life of the K3. At some point down the road should my K3 system become unrepairable, I’ll then worry about whether to replace it with something else or simply continue to use the Flex system only. In the meantime, I’ll enjoy what I have. Bottom line is that Elecraft and Flex both produce excellent products. What’s changed over the past 10 years is the nature of the product itself and the associated “product line” where hardware and software/firmware development have significant impacts on product availability and capability leading to an ‘evolving’ product line. FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5 Keller, TX > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > On 4/21/2022 11:48 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: >> One simple question (with no implied or stated answer): >> >> What would make a
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
I don't think many of us would be happy with the change in pricing if Elecraft were to guarantee the ability to replace and repair radios for a long period of time. Many electronic components go "end of life" very quickly. Some percentage of those parts will break over the life of a product. For a manufacturer to state they will repair a given product for, let's say, ten years, they would have to estimate the failures likely to occur and the parts needed to make those repairs up front. Then they have to buy, inventory, and safely store all of those parts for ten years after the last model comes off the production line. That cost is non-trivial and is ultimately borne by the customer who may need those parts one day. This is why an engine controller for your car may cost thousands of dollars even though it only has a hundred bucks worth of components. They also take into account that they may never sell those parts they will store for years. The customer ultimately pays for a lot of that as well. If there was a promise they could be repaired for a specified period of time, none of us might be able to afford a KX or K series transceiver. This is life in the age of electronics. Tim N9PUZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
Well, that’s a great question but angled to a non answerable solution. My take, and remember I live in New York, when companies put out a new model, some run to try the new flavour of the day. Now that the bloom is off the rose so to speak, we look back and see or ask ourselves being the times we live in…do we really need the new unit to begin with. My grandmother, or Bubbi for those in the know, always told be the devil you know is better than devil you don’t. That’s why I have always used Geico and it works for me. My K3 is a fit for me, like a denture, custom fit as Elecraft is an Ala carte kind of company as one size doesn’t fit all. I have the Panadapter to go with it and an MH4, a K2, and a KX# with Panadapter. No amp as I don’t speak to people on other planets…100 watts is just fine. New rollouts are sketchy and costly, constant changes, recalls, and beta versions. Parts…I thought it was law to keep parts in production for 7 years, and…since the line is lean to begin with, why not stockpile, not everyone has the money to upgrade. I have had Icom and Yaesu, but purchased Elecraft as I could and wanted too. Old stuff…I have a massive collection of vinyl…4k+, my equipment MacIntosh 4100, Klipschorns, LaScalas, Cornwalls, Heresys, SOTA Saphire TT…old stuff by today’s comparison. Would I sell any of it???…NO. It can be repaired and I love the sound, custom fit like dentures. I am 74 years of age as well with no known warranty, thus I am enjoying and focusing on what I own. I know, I’m rambling but I’m sure you get the point. W3RKI aka Rick who is still out having fun…Concerts…tomorrow my friend George Winston, and Monday Jack Casady and Jorma Kaulonen. Life is go > On Apr 21, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: > > One simple question (with no implied or stated answer): > > What would make a K3 a poor choice now, compared to other (used) brands? > > It still works better than many (most) other brands, the only real risks are > lack of parts when repairs are needed, as with any other brand and no more > updates (which only a FEW brands offer at all, if ever). > > With the jump to the K4, some K3 are available for sale and STILL sold within > minutes to hours of posting. > > The question is simple; the answer is personal and complex. > > 73, > Rick NK7I > K3, P3, KPA500, K4, KPA1500 (and Kenwood, Icom, others) > > > > On 4/21/2022 10:33 AM, Bill Davis via Elecraft wrote: >> This is my first post since I became an Elecraft owner back in 2009. I made >> the move to Elecraft after visiting with Gene Zimmerman the then QST VHF >> editor at the Elk Grove IL Central States VHF convention. Gene was a friend >> and was "over the moon" with his K3 and I had been looking for several >> months. I liked that it was American made, plugin boards that should assist >> in making the radio more maintainable and the history of the company. Then >> there was the performance! K3 SR #3460 arrived shortly after that followed >> some years later by K3s SR#10644. >> I have been a ham for 63years and was very late joining into the solid >> state world when it came to my ham gear. I had a TS-700 from Kenwood that >> was solid as a brick! That rig is 46years old and still works like the first >> day it was purchased back in 1976. I bought my first Icom in 1991 followed >> over the years by 3 other Icoms rigs. Every single Icom I ever had , had >> issues. Always fixable except for a mysterious 2m SSB distortion issue in a >> IC-746Pro that haunted me from the first 2m SSB QSO I had with it to when I >> gave up on it 9yrs later. >> I was convinced that Elecraft was "THE ANSWER". How naïve I was. I >> expected a longer run for the K3 in years and the same with the K3s. >> Software upgradeable, never obsolete, a "new" radio every update! But >> technology marched on and "everyone" wanted the latest bells and whistles >> even if the bottom line performance improvements were minimal. >>How can we be to a point where a $4,000 radio should be considered a toss >> and replace? Do the K3 and K3s really contain components that are truly >> unobtainable? If that is the case, why would we expect the K4 to be any more >> maintainable? Did Icom, Kenwood and the rest stockpile more of the non-run >> of the mill components where they could be more maintained for a longer >> period of time? >>IF SOMEWHERE the parts are out there, it looks to me like an independent >> shop repairing Elecraft gear could fly. It sounds like depending upon >> Elecraft to keep us on the air is close to a thing of the past. Looking at >> my Elecraft "investments", much smaller than many, that is a very hard pill >> to swallow. >> 73 Bill K0AWU (Weak signal VHF and above for 63 years) >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>
[Elecraft] Looking for a used KX2 or KX3
Looking for a used KX2 or KX3, if you have one you want to sell contact me please. Gordon - N1MGO n1mgo at arrl .net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
For most other brands you can find a repair center somewhere certified by the manufacturer. Elecraft has never done that, and now that they no longer support replacement modules and appear to have significantly pared down their own repair services, I will pretty much be left high and dry if my K3 should suffer any failure unless I can figure out how to fix it myself. I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which promised long term support for upgrades and repair. The performance is still near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft. 73, Dave AB7E On 4/21/2022 11:48 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: One simple question (with no implied or stated answer): What would make a K3 a poor choice now, compared to other (used) brands? It still works better than many (most) other brands, the only real risks are lack of parts when repairs are needed, as with any other brand and no more updates (which only a FEW brands offer at all, if ever). With the jump to the K4, some K3 are available for sale and STILL sold within minutes to hours of posting. The question is simple; the answer is personal and complex. 73, Rick NK7I K3, P3, KPA500, K4, KPA1500 (and Kenwood, Icom, others) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
One simple question (with no implied or stated answer): What would make a K3 a poor choice now, compared to other (used) brands? It still works better than many (most) other brands, the only real risks are lack of parts when repairs are needed, as with any other brand and no more updates (which only a FEW brands offer at all, if ever). With the jump to the K4, some K3 are available for sale and STILL sold within minutes to hours of posting. The question is simple; the answer is personal and complex. 73, Rick NK7I K3, P3, KPA500, K4, KPA1500 (and Kenwood, Icom, others) On 4/21/2022 10:33 AM, Bill Davis via Elecraft wrote: This is my first post since I became an Elecraft owner back in 2009. I made the move to Elecraft after visiting with Gene Zimmerman the then QST VHF editor at the Elk Grove IL Central States VHF convention. Gene was a friend and was "over the moon" with his K3 and I had been looking for several months. I liked that it was American made, plugin boards that should assist in making the radio more maintainable and the history of the company. Then there was the performance! K3 SR #3460 arrived shortly after that followed some years later by K3s SR#10644. I have been a ham for 63years and was very late joining into the solid state world when it came to my ham gear. I had a TS-700 from Kenwood that was solid as a brick! That rig is 46years old and still works like the first day it was purchased back in 1976. I bought my first Icom in 1991 followed over the years by 3 other Icoms rigs. Every single Icom I ever had , had issues. Always fixable except for a mysterious 2m SSB distortion issue in a IC-746Pro that haunted me from the first 2m SSB QSO I had with it to when I gave up on it 9yrs later. I was convinced that Elecraft was "THE ANSWER". How naïve I was. I expected a longer run for the K3 in years and the same with the K3s. Software upgradeable, never obsolete, a "new" radio every update! But technology marched on and "everyone" wanted the latest bells and whistles even if the bottom line performance improvements were minimal. How can we be to a point where a $4,000 radio should be considered a toss and replace? Do the K3 and K3s really contain components that are truly unobtainable? If that is the case, why would we expect the K4 to be any more maintainable? Did Icom, Kenwood and the rest stockpile more of the non-run of the mill components where they could be more maintained for a longer period of time? IF SOMEWHERE the parts are out there, it looks to me like an independent shop repairing Elecraft gear could fly. It sounds like depending upon Elecraft to keep us on the air is close to a thing of the past. Looking at my Elecraft "investments", much smaller than many, that is a very hard pill to swallow. 73 Bill K0AWU (Weak signal VHF and above for 63 years) __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered torick.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
Supporting out of production products can require a lot of money and effort. I'm not going to advise Elecraft how to run their business but I think Flex, one of their worthy competitors, transitions repairs to qualified 3rd party companies when they stop production of older models. This provides a continuous support system for loyal owners and keeps the developers working on current and new products. Seems good for both the company and customers. I sure hope there never comes a time when I cannot repair my beloved KX2 through Elecraft or another capable outfit. Tim N9PUZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Power reduced
Hi buddies, Just a quick question regarding a reduction of power in some bands only. It runs 100w in higher bands, but when I go down to 30, 40 and 80, it looks like it only sends ~60/70 watts. What can be the reason.? I have read that a Hi SWR is cause of that, but when I use the tuner, K3 doesn’t say Hi SWR, so I don’t know what can cause that, any ideas..? Thank you. 73, Josep EA6BF BUG #256 - CWops #3072 - FOC #2182 (ex 1724) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
This is my first post since I became an Elecraft owner back in 2009. I made the move to Elecraft after visiting with Gene Zimmerman the then QST VHF editor at the Elk Grove IL Central States VHF convention. Gene was a friend and was "over the moon" with his K3 and I had been looking for several months. I liked that it was American made, plugin boards that should assist in making the radio more maintainable and the history of the company. Then there was the performance! K3 SR #3460 arrived shortly after that followed some years later by K3s SR#10644. I have been a ham for 63years and was very late joining into the solid state world when it came to my ham gear. I had a TS-700 from Kenwood that was solid as a brick! That rig is 46years old and still works like the first day it was purchased back in 1976. I bought my first Icom in 1991 followed over the years by 3 other Icoms rigs. Every single Icom I ever had , had issues. Always fixable except for a mysterious 2m SSB distortion issue in a IC-746Pro that haunted me from the first 2m SSB QSO I had with it to when I gave up on it 9yrs later. I was convinced that Elecraft was "THE ANSWER". How naïve I was. I expected a longer run for the K3 in years and the same with the K3s. Software upgradeable, never obsolete, a "new" radio every update! But technology marched on and "everyone" wanted the latest bells and whistles even if the bottom line performance improvements were minimal. How can we be to a point where a $4,000 radio should be considered a toss and replace? Do the K3 and K3s really contain components that are truly unobtainable? If that is the case, why would we expect the K4 to be any more maintainable? Did Icom, Kenwood and the rest stockpile more of the non-run of the mill components where they could be more maintained for a longer period of time? IF SOMEWHERE the parts are out there, it looks to me like an independent shop repairing Elecraft gear could fly. It sounds like depending upon Elecraft to keep us on the air is close to a thing of the past. Looking at my Elecraft "investments", much smaller than many, that is a very hard pill to swallow. 73 Bill K0AWU (Weak signal VHF and above for 63 years) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
Bill, I have not had many issues, but I've scrounged parts to make repairs. I've considered picking up another K3 and figure I should be able to keep one running for sometime. I have not yet committed to the purchase of a 2nd K3. Robie AJ4F On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: > This brings up a rather sobering reality. Over the last few months, I've > depleted my parts supply for the K3/K3S to practically nothing after > helping a few friends with failures. For example, I stockpiled older KIO3 > boards when people upgraded to the KIO3B boards... but my stash is gone > now, after lightning strikes and other failures myself and friends have > had. I've also fixed a myriad of other modules in K3, KPA500, KPA1500 etc. > and am just keeping my head above water at my contest stations due to lack > of overall support. I can scrounge and get individual parts, but no > replacement cards are available. I guess we are all going to have to > decide what our direction forward will be when the failure occurs for which > there are no parts. > > What are others doing? Waiting in line for K4 or moving on to different > vendors? > > Anyone have "scrap" K3 or K3s for sale??? > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > VP2EHZ > > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Ronnie Hull > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:47 AM > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; rikoski < > riko...@rikoski.com> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service > > I’ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > >> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski wrote: > >> > >> I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 > months now. > >> > >> It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. > >> > >> I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. > >> > >> I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. > >> > >> I moved up four places in a month? > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> n...@elecraft.com > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > w5...@comcast.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b...@wjschmidt.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rule...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 For Sale
The KX2 is sold Joe KK5NA On 4/20/2022 4:38 PM, Joe Spencer wrote: I'm selling my KX2 serial #00106. It is like new. I've only used it a few times on the table in the back yard and a few times in the shack. It has KXAT2 tuner and Owner's Manual I did add the following Side KX End Panels Side KX Cover The Elecraft KX2 by Fred Cady Asking $1050 - including shipping. USA only. Joe KK5NA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kk...@kk5na.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
This brings up a rather sobering reality. Over the last few months, I've depleted my parts supply for the K3/K3S to practically nothing after helping a few friends with failures. For example, I stockpiled older KIO3 boards when people upgraded to the KIO3B boards... but my stash is gone now, after lightning strikes and other failures myself and friends have had. I've also fixed a myriad of other modules in K3, KPA500, KPA1500 etc. and am just keeping my head above water at my contest stations due to lack of overall support. I can scrounge and get individual parts, but no replacement cards are available. I guess we are all going to have to decide what our direction forward will be when the failure occurs for which there are no parts. What are others doing? Waiting in line for K4 or moving on to different vendors? Anyone have "scrap" K3 or K3s for sale??? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Ronnie Hull Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:47 AM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; rikoski Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service I’ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski wrote: >> >> I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 months >> now. >> >> It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. >> >> I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. >> >> I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. >> >> I moved up four places in a month? >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n...@elecraft.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w5...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to b...@wjschmidt.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
I’ve been waiting three months just to get an RA for my K3 Ron W5SUM Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski wrote: >> >> I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 months >> now. >> >> It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. >> >> I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. >> >> I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. >> >> I moved up four places in a month? >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service
Hi Richard, I'm investigating this and will get back to you ASAP. Wayne N6KR > On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:23 AM, rikoski wrote: > > I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 months > now. > > It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. > > I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. > > I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. > > I moved up four places in a month? > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft Service
I got an RA number and sent my K3 to Elecraft for service going on 3 months now. It has not been seviced; nor diagnosed. I phoned a month ago and was told I was number 12 on the list. I phoned yesterday and was told I was number 8. I moved up four places in a month? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration
Good morning, I have just done a TX Gain Cal on my K3 and 160m came up short (4 watts). 1. Is this something I can fix or does it need to go to the Mother ship? 2. If it is not corrected, what are the ramifications of not having it done? 3. If it can be fixed by me, what is involved? Best regards, Jerry, W1IE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] test
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