Re: [Elecraft] On CW
Wayne, That should be submitted to QST, QQ, CQ, etc. magazines. It will surely get printed. Dave, KD9VT On 11/13/2017 7:17:59 AM, Graziano Rocconwrote: Wow ! Wayne, thanks for this message. It's one of the best sentiment and love declaration to CW that i have read. I am proud to be an Elecrafter and own more of your project. I am still waiting you in Europe to finally meet you. If you want to came in Italy, to Milan or around, you will be my guest, just let me know. Best 73's --... ...-- Graziano IW2NOY > Il 31 ottobre 2017 alle 3.37 Wayne Burdick ha scritto: > > > I find that CW has many practical and engaging aspects that I just don’t get > with computer-mediated modes like FT8. You’d think I’d be burned out on CW by > now, over 45 years since I was first licensed, but no, I’m still doin’ it :) > > Yes, FT8 (etc.) is a no-brainer when, despite poor conditions, your goal is > to log as many contacts as possible with as many states or countries as > possible. It’s so streamlined and efficient that the whole process is readily > automated. (If you haven’t read enough opinions on that, see "The mother of > all FT8 threads” on QRZ.com, for example.) > > But back to CW. Here’s why it works for me. YMMV. > > CW feels personal and visceral, like driving a sports car rather than taking > a cab. As with a sports car, there are risks. You can get clobbered by larger > vehicles (QRM). Witness road range (“UP 2!”). Fall into a pothole (QSB). Be > forced to drive through rain or snow (QRN). > > With CW, like other forms of human conversation, you can affect your own > style. Make mistakes. Joke about it. > > CW is a skill that bonds operators together across generations and nations. A > language, more like pidgin than anything else, with abbreviations and > historical constructs and imperialist oddities. A curious club anyone can > join. (At age 60 and able to copy 50 WPM on a good day, I may qualify as a > Nerd Mason of some modest order, worthless in any other domain but of value > in a contest.) > > With very simple equipment that anyone can build, such as a high-power > single-transistor oscillator, you can transmit a CW signal. I had very little > experience with electronics when I was 14 and built an oscillator that put > out maybe 100 mW. Just twisted the leads of all those parts together and > keyed the collector supply--a 9-volt battery. With this simple circuit on my > desk, coupled to one guy wire of our TV antenna mast, I worked a station 150 > miles away and was instantly hooked on building things. And on QRP. I’m sure > the signal was key-clicky and had lots of harmonics. I’ve spent a lifetime > making such things work better, but this is where it started. > > Going even further down the techno food chain, you can “send” CW by > whistling, flashing a lamp, tapping on someone’s leg under a table in civics > class, or pounding a wrench on the inverted hull of an upside-down U.S. war > vessel, as happened at Pearl Harbor. Last Saturday at an engineering club my > son belongs to, a 9-year-old demonstrated an Arduino Uno flashing HELLO WORLD > in Morse on an LED. The other kids were impressed, including my son, who > promptly wrote a version that sends three independent Morse streams on three > LEDs. A mini-pileup. His first program. > > Finally, to do CW you don’t always need a computer, keyboard, mouse, monitor, > or software. Such things are invaluable in our daily lives, but for me, > shutting down everything but the radio is the high point of my day. The small > display glows like a mystic portal into my personal oyster, the RF spectrum. > Unless I crank up the power, there’s no fan noise. Tuning the knob slowly > from the bottom end of the band segment to the top is a bit like fishing my > favorite stream, Taylor Creek, which connects Fallen Leaf Lake to Lake Tahoe. > Drag the line across the green, sunlit pool. See what hits. Big trout? DX. > Small trout? Hey, it’s still a fish, and a QSO across town is still a QSO. > Admire it, then throw it back in. > > (BTW: You now know why the Elecraft K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3 all have built-in > RTTY and PSK data modes that allow transmit via the keyer paddle and receive > on the rig’s display. We decided to make these data modes > conversational...like CW.) > > Back to 40 meters > > 73, > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to grazi...@roccon.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
[Elecraft] KX2 for sale
I have a very lightly used KX2 that I would like to sell. I purchased it new from Elecraft. The SN is 1033. It is the basic radio and does not have batteries or the internal ATU (I have an Elecraft T1 tuner that I use for all of my QRP rigs). It works properly and is in almost new condition. I am selling it because I also have a KX3 and I never use the KX2. If you are interested, please contact me off list. I am asking $625 shipped to lower 48 states. I will be happy to send pictures if requested. Thank you, Dave, KD9VT --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Amateur Radio Parity Act
Wow Andy, what a selfish response. Suppose no one in the US cared about working people in England or couldn't because we could not put up an antenna. Obviously you wouldn't care but there are a lot of people in England that belong to clubs in the US and actively participate in events. I worked a gentleman in England that was county hunting in the US. Because you are "outside the USA" you must not care if he gets the counties he needs. It's not about " internal politicking". It's about allowing people to successfully pursue a hobby. A hobby that you obviously enjoy but since you have what you want, who cares about the rest of the world. I thought people in your country were friendly and considerate. I hope you are the exception and not the rule. By the way, it took you more time to write and send that response than it would to hit the "Delete" button (which is what I will do with your posts going forward). Dave KD9VT On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Andy McMullinwrote: > I really thought this thread was closed. > > Nobody outside the USA cares about your internal politicking so please > just give it a rest! Let’s get back to Elecraft and leave the American > Politics Stuff somewhere else. Please. > > Andy > > > > > > > > On 11 Aug 2017, at 06:53, W B McCarty wrote: > > > > With due respect for those who disagree, it's not about us. I consider > that > > the need for a well-crafted Parity Act is NOT ours but a need of our sons > > and daughters and THEIR sons and daughters, few of whom are parties to > the > > contracts to which onerous and often unconstitutionally vague and broad > > CC are attached. If more than 80% of the US population is barred from > > using truly effective HF antennas, the future of amateur radio is in > doubt. > > As a consequence, inadequacies in our national communications > > infrastructure could, in the context of a disaster, multiply serious harm > > to lives and property. As is often the case in the political realm, we'd > do > > well to think a great deal less about ourselves and a great deal more > about > > others. > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > > > >> I guess I get to be the guy posting to a closed thread. ouch! > >> > "FWIW, I DO consider this issue VITAL to anyone who lives in a > >> restricted housing development, which includes a very high percentage > of US > >> hams. > >> > >> All of those US hams decided on their own to purchase property in the > >> restricted area (myself included). I knew what it meant and I'm > >> willing to 'man up' and abide by the agreement I signed at purchase to > >> follow the rules. Running to 'daddy' after the fact and claiming it is > >> VITAL that I be allowed to ignore the rules is not an appropriate > >> reaction from my POV. If it is that vital don't purchase in such an > >> area. Sometimes that can be difficult, but sometimes life is > >> difficult. > >> > >> Mark AD5SS > >> > >> any responses by email please! > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Jim Brown > >> wrote: > >>> On 8/10/2017 10:37 AM, G4GNX wrote: > > I was under the impression that this thread was CLOSED. Please respect > >> the > list owner's wishes. > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Fwd: Amateur radio parity act
I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullinwrote: > I agree completely. It’s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to a...@rickham.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Fwd: Amateur radio parity act
I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullinwrote: > I agree completely. It’s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to a...@rickham.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Amateur radio parity act
I am sorry guys, I have to disagree with you. From the ARRL website, "The measure will, for the first time, guarantee all radio amateurs living in deed-restricted communities governed by a homeowner's association (HOA) or subject to any private land use regulations, the right to erect and maintain effective outdoor antennas at their homes". How is that not relevant to any discussion related to Ham Radio. For those that it will help, it may mean the difference between being active or inactive in the hobby. What good would our Elecraft rigs be (I have two of them) without effective antennas? I am lucky to live in an area where I can put up anything I want in my yard but some Hams live in areas that are so restricted that they can't even put an antenna up. They have to drape a wire off the balcony at night or string something around inside their shack. I have only one question. If you lived in a restricted area and could not put up an antenna, would you then think that discussion of this topic was appropriate in any Ham Radio venue? I support the bill, have emailed my representatives and think that all Hams should do the same. The more it is mentioned and discussed, the greater the chance it will become law. Some of our fellow Hams need this. Thank you, If you wish to chastise me, please do it off list. 73 Dave, KD9VT On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Andy McMullinwrote: > I agree completely. It’s of limited link to Elecraft and no interest at > all to most of the world, just to the few that live in parts of the USA. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > > > On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:33, Gmail wrote: > > > > I don't think a discussion of this bill is appropriate for this list. > > Ray > > W8LYJ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to a...@rickham.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 CW Speed
I've never noticed it. I can't go that fast. Dave KD9VT On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:49 PM, K9MAwrote: > According to the RBN reports, my KX2 seems to send about 2 wpm faster than > the set speed, like 34 vs 32. Has anyone else noticed this? > > Scott K9MA > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k...@sdellington.us > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people? If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish. Dave KD9VT On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Colewrote: > My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that > won't die. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >> > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate >> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does >> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators >> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators >> make a special effort "to work the weak station." >> >> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your >> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in >> front of a bull. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> >>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how >>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would >>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a >>> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's >>> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? >>> >>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or >>> critique >>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: >>> >>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log. If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. ~C./WM From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth. net] on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM To: Ken G Kopp Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- > respond. > > 73 > > K0PP > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us >>> >>> >>> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list
Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
Hi Tom, First let me say that I am not trying to argue with you or correct you. I just want to share what little bit of knowledge I have. In my many years as a master mechanic in the heavy duty truck industry, I can tell you without reservation that unless you use physical force (screwdriver, etc.) and turn the screw, it will not come loose from the type of use a set of paddles on a KX2 would get and could be considered a permanent fix. We used Blue Loctite for countless purposes and I never saw it come loose on a truck which would have put many times more vibration, stress and possibly heat on the fastener. Now, that being said, you need to have the fastener clean but in the case of the KX2 paddles, it should not be an issue. I would not recommend using red Loctite. You may not get the fastener out even if you want to without destroying something. I know that from experience. As far as the design goes, I would not say it is a lousy design. I would say that they just left a step out. They forgot the blue Loctite. Elecraft isn't perfect, but they are darn close. 73 Dave KD9VT On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEFwrote: > The point should be that a "drop of LocTite" isn't going to fix the > problem over time. > > You should not have to modify a product immediately out of the box because > of a lousy > design. > > Best regards, > > Tom, W1TEF > Lexington, SC > > On 7/24/2017 6:22 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > >> This is the response I received from Elecraft support: >> >> On 06/27/2017 01:34 PM, Elecraft Support wrote: >> >>> To your question, yes, we are now using a drop of Locktite Blue (not >>> Red) on the threads for the 2 screws that hold the round contacts in >>> place. >>> >> John KN5L >> >> On 07/24/2017 10:45 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: >> >>> The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested >>> and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period >>> of time from normal use. >>> >>> As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a >>> small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws >>> (E700277) which secure the stand-offs. >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx2_...@swsports.org >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davebelvi...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com