Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

[Doug Person]

I own a condo in Loveland, CO just south of Fort Collins. The HOA is a 
pain in the butt. My main residence is on the other side of the Rockies 
in rural northwestern Colorado where I have acreage, many wire antennas 
and a tower with a nice HexBeam on it. When I'm in Loveland I operate my 
rural station remotely. It works well and is a lot of fun.  I operate 
10, 6, 2 and 70cm with antennas in the attic of my condo. But getting on 
HF is always going to be remote.


To me hamming is communicating and solving technical challenges and then 
being proud of your accomplishments. Remote hamming is just another 
version and I'm glad I'm able to do it. In the future I may have to give 
up my rural residence, When I do, a neighbor and good friend of mine is 
ready and willing to let me setup a solar-powered  remote station on his 
property. Without that option I would probably be off HF completely.


Remote operating is becoming more and more important for people who 
otherwise have no option for HF.  That's probably why the K4 has such 
excellent facilities for remote operations. Getting on the air and 
making contacts, talking to old friends all over the world, adding a new 
country or even just a state - THAT is ham radio to me.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 6/29/2021 2:35 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

On 6/28/21 at 12:45 AM, rick.n...@gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote:

Ditto using remote receivers to augment your own; your station can or 
cannot; it's THAT simple.


[With apologies to N4ZR. I'll try to tie my comment to germain topics.]

I generally disagree with NK7I's comments because I think ham radio is 
a huge tent, and the point is having fun.


However, this comment tickled the thought that setting up remote 
receivers could be something hams do regularly. I can imagine a remote 
receiver at one son's house in Colorado, and another at the other 
son's house in California.


These receivers might be useful for activities like the Elecraft net, 
where frequently the QRO stations, which are the backbone of the net, 
can't hear the QRP stations who try to check in. It would be a fun 
project in station building.


73 Bill AE6JV

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[Elecraft] Giving Up

[Doug Person]

Sadly, I've decided to give up waiting for the K4. I'm probably far down 
the list anyway. Their are numerous reason for this decision. First, 
there is the cost. With a tuner the price is $4600 making it one of the 
most expensive transceivers on the market. I fully realize that the K4 
is feature rich and extremely well designed. I would never take anything 
away from Elecraft's engineering ability. The K3 set a new standard of 
performance that made the other manufacturers substantially up their 
game - which they did. But is the K4 going to do the same thing the K3 
did? To me, it doesn't look like it. Innovative in some, perhaps many 
ways - yes. A new trend setter? I'm not so sure. When the K3 came out it 
was very competitively priced. I'm not sure I would describe the K4 with 
the same words. It is unquestionably an expensive radio. At this point 
the price/performance just isn't there for me. I sold my very complete 
K3 station several years ago in anticipation of the K4. But now the 
waiting has left me thinking about how much I'm willing to invest and 
whether or not another brand whose transceivers are as much as $1500 
less and whose performance seems quite impressive will meet my needs. 
After literally several years of contemplation I conclude that, for me, 
the K4 is not worth the price. $3600 (with the tuner since every other 
significant radio includes one) would seem competitive and I would jump 
on it at this price. But as it is? Can't see doing it. I apologize if 
feelings are hurt or I've made anyone angry. I'm leaving the list since 
I'm no longer waiting patiently for what we once called Vaporware.


Good luck to everyone on their current and future K4s.

Doug -- K0DXV

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 #7997 is alive

[Doug Person]

Building a K2 takes quite an investment of time. But, once you've 
completed it and made your first QSO where you proudly say "Rig here is 
an Elecraft K2 that I just finished building...", you have a sense of 
ownership unlike anything you just took out of a box and plugged in. 
It's a marvelous little transceiver. It's truly fantastic for cw but 
shines in SSB as well. I can't recommend the experience enough. I've 
learned to have a very ZEN mind when I built them. Total focus on 
exactly one thing - a resistor, capacitor... what ever it is... do it 
perfectly and don't think of anything else. And then admire its 
perfection when its done. When I finish a board, I inspect it with a 
quality magnifying glass. I look at every solder joint, every part 
placement like it's a work of art - which, in many ways, it is. Whether 
it becomes your main radio or sits on a shelf awaiting an occasional use 
- it is always a source of personal pride. To me, building something 
like the K2, is a very important part of the Ham Radio Experience.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/10/2021 1:08 PM, David Haines wrote:
I wish you all would stop talking about how much fun it is to build a 
K2!  It makes we want to order one or two!  But I'm trying to save up 
my pennies for when the K4 comes out in kit form.  And I'm still not 
tired of my trusty KX3, yet!


david
KC1DNY
in the forests of Maine

On 5/7/2021 8:46 PM, Doug Person wrote:
I've built 5 K2s. The last one is a keeper. I built several for other 
people. I still get a kick out of turning it on and making contacts 
with a "kit" radio. Mine is a 100 watts, ssb adapter and the outboard 
tuner. Wired for a Kenwood hand mike. I often think that if it was 
the only rig I owned I would be completely satisfied. Receiver sounds 
great and I get great audio reports. If anyone has ever considered 
building one - go for it. The satisfaction of turning it on and 
making contacts with something you put some serious time in to build 
is an experience I highly recommend. I don't know if I've ever 
operated a better cw transceiver. And even in a crowded band on 20, 
it can hold its own. I love it.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/7/2021 5:50 PM, Carl Clawson wrote:
I'm 20 years late to the game but I finally built a K2. What a 
satisfying
project to build, and a delightful rig to operate. It doesn't have 
all the
performance and features of my fully-updated K3, but it's a great 
little

radio nonetheless.

I finished the final alignment and test Tuesday and have used it a 
couple

evenings now.

Now to build the SSB adapter and the 100 W amp.

73, Carl WS7L
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Re: [Elecraft] K2/100

[Doug Person]

Do you happen to know at what point the upgrades were included? Is there 
an easy way to determine if the update is present or Not?


tnx -- Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/10/2021 2:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Larry,

The KPA100UPKT totally revamps the T-R switch section on the KPA100, 
so the answer is yes.
There is a chance that there may be a nasty spur when on 40 meters - 
at about 8 MHz if you do not have the upgrade.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/10/2021 4:04 PM, Larry Dodson via Elecraft wrote:
I built my KPA100 14 years ago in a separate enclosure and it still 
works
fine. I wonder if the upgrade kit would provide improved performance. 
Any

feed back will be appreciated.
Larry - GOIKE



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 #7997 is alive

[Doug Person]

I've built 5 K2s. The last one is a keeper. I built several for other 
people. I still get a kick out of turning it on and making contacts with 
a "kit" radio. Mine is a 100 watts, ssb adapter and the outboard tuner. 
Wired for a Kenwood hand mike. I often think that if it was the only rig 
I owned I would be completely satisfied. Receiver sounds great and I get 
great audio reports. If anyone has ever considered building one - go for 
it. The satisfaction of turning it on and making contacts with something 
you put some serious time in to build is an experience I highly 
recommend. I don't know if I've ever operated a better cw transceiver. 
And even in a crowded band on 20, it can hold its own. I love it.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/7/2021 5:50 PM, Carl Clawson wrote:

I'm 20 years late to the game but I finally built a K2. What a satisfying
project to build, and a delightful rig to operate. It doesn't have all the
performance and features of my fully-updated K3, but it's a great little
radio nonetheless.

I finished the final alignment and test Tuesday and have used it a couple
evenings now.

Now to build the SSB adapter and the 100 W amp.

73, Carl WS7L
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

[Doug Person]

Fascinating walk through the past. I took mechanical drawing in my 
freshman year. Our high school was 4 years and no junior high. 
Mechanical drawing was by far my favorite class. I learned a lot about 
dimensions, angles, areas - basic geometry. It made math make sense.


My first novice station in 1962 was a Halicrafters S38E receiver which 
was terrible and a one-tube transmitter built from salvaged TV parts 
that was in the 1962 ARRL Handbook - which I still have complete with 
burn marks when I dropped the soldering iron on it.   My father gave me 
a Lafayette HE-10 receiver for Christmas that year. It was much better.


Ham radio and my familiarity with electronic circuits led me to a class 
in Autocoder, an assembly language for an IBM computer from the 60's. I 
don't recall what model. But - bits and bytes made perfect sense because 
to me they were just a series of switches and the logic of ANDs, ORs, 
XORs, etc were easy for me to visualize. I just thought of current 
making its way through a matrix of on or off switches. I proceeded to 
take ever computer class offered in that community college.


Although there have been many working titles for someone who writes 
code, and I've had about a dozen, I've always been proud to call myself 
a computer programmer. Nothing more and nothing less.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/26/2021 2:19 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote:

  I have greatly enjoyed the memory fest here.  Wasn't going to join in, but, 
Steve, your email really hit close to home.  I replied to Steve, intended for 
whole group.

Took 'Mechanical Drawing' in Jr. high, loved it.  Also had drawing classes 
(course also included slide rule) first semester of college.

I was a co-op student in EE and worked for NASA 1962-1967.  I was placed in a 
software group, kinda out of my degree, but I liked it and spent my career as a 
Software Engineer (in the day we were called 'programmers.')
I was greatly blessed to be working at NASA at the beginning of operations in 
Houston.  The first computer I worked on was an IBM 7094, 32K of 36 bit words, 
2 microsecond cycle time, mag tape OS, no disk.  We were located in what had 
been the PBS TV studio on the University of Houston campus, reworked to be a 
computer center - the space center (MSC) was under construction.  Languages 
were FORTRAN II, assembly (FAP) and eventually FORTRAN IV and assembly.  Punch 
cards of course.
Slide rules indeed!  However, we also had a Friden mechanical calculator which 
could do square roots!!

Ham rig at the time was a homebrew 6AU6-6146 from a QST article and 
Hallicrafters S-19R with Heathkit Q multiplier, dipole on 40m cw.
As you, Steve, indicated I could not afford the HP 'digital slide rule' -- bought 
the TI version about a year later for a cost 1/2 of the HP, used it for years.  
Still have my K DECI-LON (and a B-29  'Load Adjuster' slide rule from WWII).
I remember all the items you mentioned.
Finally (at last) I often tell younger folks (I am 77) that they have orders of 
magnitude more power in their cell phones than we had in our gigantic computers 
-- BUT -- we put men on the moon with 'em.
Sorry for the wide bandwidth,73,John  K5ENQ



 On Monday, April 26, 2021, 10:36:33 AM CDT, SteveL  
wrote:
  
  I envied a friend in a EE program and the University of Cincinnati.  He had the first HP-35 I’d ever seen the year it was introduced (1972), but it was way out of my budget as a new freshman studying Engineering.


A couple of months after my friend acquired the HP-35, to my fascination he 
received a letter from HP detailing a list of obscure calculations the device 
performed in error (the tangent of 98.2352…, etc.) .  The letter went on to 
describe that these were determined and then verified by computer simulation of 
the computational algorithms used internally - a concept new to this budding 
engineer.  And, if he returned the calculator, it would be repaired and 
corrected.

And to think we basically flew to the moon on a slide rule?  Who could ever 
imagine a computer that could fit into one room?  (Paraphrasing a line from 
early in the Apollo 13 movie.)

Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an 
unaffordable scientific calculator?
Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front 
panel switches?

We’ve come a long way!  I love the reminiscences…

Steve
aa8af

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Re: [Elecraft] whining

[Doug Person]

Let's also remember that Elecraft is an incredibly small company 
compared to K, Y and I. And they're putting out a leading edge world 
class product that is as good or better than anything else on the 
market. It's quite a feat in today's business world. I've been waiting 
several years now. I get by with what I have (K2/100) and I continue to 
have something to look forward to. I'm just glad Big "E" has survived 
through everything. It's been a really tough year for many smaller 
businesses. It is an amazing success story that Elecraft has survived 
and prospered for over 21 years despite the gigantic size difference 
compared to its competition. (I guess I just sold my K3/P3 prematurely.)


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/31/2021 3:23 PM, David Herring wrote:

Investor.  ;-)

I’ll grant you we’re not investors in the traditional sense. But we’ve invested 
in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We 
provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue 
engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we’re not going to make back 
millions on our “investment” and we have no stake in the company, but we will 
get one heck of a radio. That’s really all I cared about, to be honest.

Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. 
If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long 
time ago. What I’ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that 
have happened that are out of anyone’s control.  Perhaps it’s just a matter of 
personal perspective.

I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more 
regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the 
door.

73,
David - N5DCH




On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:

Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
wondering or asking.

And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)

Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
downsides.

The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
a small satellite instead. :D

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey mailto:haljr.mas...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
whenever they can?”
PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
me but that’s probably asking too much.

Regards
-Hal

On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:

I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
to lower-priority support emails).

I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
the website would also be nice.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey mailto:haljr.mas...@gmail.com>> wrote:


What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.

The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
weekly email with status is not cheap.

Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?

Regards
Hal

On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle mailto:ju...@juliatuttle.net>> wrote:

"The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?"

Yes, that, right there.

However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
event
videos to hear it?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett mailto:w...@w0mu.com>> wrote:

The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?

I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
have some wait times but not in the years category.

K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.

Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
so difficult.  I don't get it.

I don't have a K4 on order 

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

[Doug Person]

Is there any modern-day equivalent to the old Johnson Matchbox? I use 
several different MFJ tuners with good results. My favorite is the 
"Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with very little effort. I 
don't actually know how efficient it is but it tunes my 132' doublet fed 
with 450 ohm ladder line very well. I use the antenna mostly on 
160-80-60-40-30 where it seems to perform well. The ladder-line comes to 
a 1:1 high power balun just outside the shack and 10' of rg213 comes 
inside to the tuner. The only interesting observation is that it seems 
noisier  than my multi-band trapped dipole - as much as 1-2 s units 
sometimes. Otherwise, if I only had one antenna it would be the doublet. 
Very versatile. The tuner gives the rig a good under 1.5:1 match 160 
through 6.

73, Doug -- KJØF

On 10/10/2019 11:59 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

You bet. The Johnson Matchbox is as good as any expensive band pass filter.

Victor 4X6GP


On 11 Oct 2019, at 2:57, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:


The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a
*Link coupled* tuner.  The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the
"Q" of a single band antenna.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



On 2019-10-10 7:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Bob,
Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite 
out of band rejection.
There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.
Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband 
vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to shut him down 
quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even though 
the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the proximity of 
the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that station was not 
using a bandpass filter).
So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass 
filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were not able 
to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations at the EOC site, 
so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other factors very important.
I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna on 20 
meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to operate one on CW 
(K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used digital and SSB modes.  
We had some mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not interfere 
much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the 
background noise level on the K3.
73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO

[Doug Person]

And yet I find it a valuable feature on my other radios. It takes some 
serious intent to get the tuning rate to shift. Sensitivity can be 
adjustable and the increment value as well. I personally find it 
annoying to have to keep hitting a button to change the tuning rate. It 
would be quite easy to make this an adjustable, customization feature 
with a few menu options - off being one of them. Most current radios 
have this feature.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 7/20/2019 2:50 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
I agree with Don and Joe.   One of my radios some 10 years ago had the 
feature.  It could be turned on or off.  Yet some really didn't like 
it and some thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.    To 
me, my K3S in its present configuration fits ALL of my needs.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 2:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


I agree with Don.  The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step). In
addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.

Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.

The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
Yaesu FTdx101!).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Kev and all,

No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be 
suitable for me if I could turn it off.
I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and 
it drove me nuts.


73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PowerPole connector

[Doug Person]

To be sure you're getting the best quality (There are many cheap Chinese 
knockoffs) try powerwerx.com 



Doug -- KJ0F

On 5/31/2019 9:11 AM, Lee Trout wrote:

I am looking to replace the powerpole connector on my K3.  Am I correct
that these 30 amp ones on fleabay are the ones I need?  Thanks for any
help!  Lee

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15-Amp-30Amp-45-Amp-Anderson-Powerpole-PP15-to-45-Power-Pole-w-10-20-AWG/232730577118?hash=item362fd2c8de:m:mIfQeJHcUoEBLeNvKeebs8Q:sc:USPSFirstClass!47201!US!-1
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Re: [Elecraft] Hara Arena Hit by Tornado

[Doug Person]

Looks to be the certain end of the facility. Lots of good memories 
there. It's a good thing Hamvention moved when it did.


Doug --KJ0F

On 5/28/2019 7:23 AM, Paul Kirley wrote:
Hara Arena, the former venue of the Dayton Hamvention, sustained major 
damage in a Memorial Day tornado.


Drone video at
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/hara-arena-roof-blown-off-trotwood-schools-closed-after-tornadoes/5W7NpDohYwDBNwu9fp59bK/ 



If Hamvention hadn't already moved from Hara Arena, it would surely 
have to do so now.  Hopefully there was no damage to the new venue at 
the Greene County Fairgrounds in Xenia.


73, Paul W8TM
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[Elecraft] USB to Serial on MacOS

[Doug Person]

I know there are a lot of guys that are very good at macs here. I'm 
stuck. I'm trying to get a USB to SERIAL adapter to work on a mac. I've 
tried 4. None work. I look at System Information but I honestly can't 
tell if there's a serial port adapter there or not or if it even works. 
I did install Prolific drivers. OS is 10.13.6.


Thanks for any help.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Doug Person]

And... Ouch! Yaesu FTdx-101D is on the top of Sherwood's list. K4 has 
some serious competition.


On 5/16/2019 3:44 PM, Mark Volstad wrote:
Here’s an actual photo of a K4, with what looks like Eric controlling 
it via a tablet :


https://twitter.com/elecraft/status/1129123592166432769

Mark  AI4BJ

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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Doug Person]

One connector is marked "VHF/UHF" which makes me think it may be 
satellite-capable when the modules become available.


Doug --KJ0F

On 5/16/2019 3:44 PM, Mark Volstad wrote:
Here’s an actual photo of a K4, with what looks like Eric controlling 
it via a tablet :


https://twitter.com/elecraft/status/1129123592166432769

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Re: [Elecraft] FS: Unfinished K1

[Doug Person]

Thanks for everyone's interest in the K1. It has been sold.

tnx & 73, Doug -- KJ0F

On 4/18/2019 11:55 AM, Doug Person wrote:
I have an unfinished K1 for sale. It's about 80% done. I am unable to 
finish it. 40/20 filter board.


Email direct for questions.

$300 shipped CONUS.


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[Elecraft] FS: Unfinished K1

[Doug Person]

I have an unfinished K1 for sale. It's about 80% done. I am unable to 
finish it. 40/20 filter board.


Email direct for questions.

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Re: [Elecraft] BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ

[Doug Person]

MFJ has been a leader in automatic tuner technology for years. It was 
probably a very simple engineering process for them to use what they 
have to create a K3 tuner. You may have a dislike of MFJ products. But, 
that doesn't preclude the fact that their tuners work very well. They 
have been selling the K3 tuner for years. It doesn't seem the least bit 
surprising given the modular nature of the K3 and the long history MFJ 
has with automatic tuner technology. Maybe it's actually a complement to 
Elecraft that MFJ takes the K3 so seriously.


Doug --KJØF

On 4/7/2019 10:26 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
Ozarkcon yesterday. Break-time.  Pile of MFJ catalogs on a table.  
Took one back to my seat to kill time.  Opened it up to the second 
page and in the lower left corner is a box-ad with the following:



"MFJ ATU PC Board for Elecraft K-3 Rig.  MFJ-950K3 is a super clone of 
the KAT3 optional tuning board for the superb Elecraft K3 
transceiver.  MFJ-950K3 is a direct plug-in PC board for the Elecraft 
K3 10 Watt or 100 Watt model. Covers 1.8 to 54 MHz.  This automatic 
antenna tuner PC board features an L-Match design and can match SWR up 
to 10:1. It handles 100 Watts.  The ATU PC board has a second antenna 
port, and a sub-rx SMA port.  All antenna ports are protected with gas 
discharge tubes.  Super sensitive relay allows excellent low current 
drain.  MFJ-950K3 is 4W x 3 1/2H x 1 1/4D inches and easily slides 
right into the K3’s tuning board slot. Weighs less than 1/2 pound.  
Pick up this great accessory for your K3 today and save $$$!"



What in the world is that all about?  What possible market are they 
shooting at?  Who would put anything "MFJ" in anything Elecraft?


Someone enlighten me!  Did I sleep through April 1st?

https://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-950K3

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

If the FT8 program is running on a separate "loosely coupled" computer 
that is internal, I don't see a problem.


Doug --KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 3:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Ummm ... I think there are two issues here: The algorithms, coding, 
and modulation schemes for transmitting and receiving what has come to 
be known as FT8, and separately, the source code to implement all of 
that.  The second is subject to the terms of the GPL V3 license, the 
first would not seem to be.  So, all Elecraft would have to do is 
re-invent the WSPR-X FT8 their own proprietary way for whatever 
processor they use.  Just a few lines of code, should take about a 
week. :-)


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/25/2019 12:38 PM, Doug Person wrote:
Even if it's just an application installed into an integrated 
computer? This would not be folding the source into other code. It's 
just installing it into a computer that happens to be inside another 
device. It wouldn't be firmware. It would be the same as when I run 
it on my Raspberry Pi.


Doug --KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 12:01 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General 
Public

License v3.   According to the GPL v3 FAQ:

"You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system.
The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy,
redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could 
incorporate

GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of
making the GPL-covered software nonfree too."

So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL
v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the 
firmware.


Neil, KN3iLZ



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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person]

Reading the manual in order to learn how to use a complex radio 
shouldn't be an obstacle.


I'm not familiar with "Hidden mouse moves" in Windows. There are 3 
buttons and a scroll wheel. They each  have very well-defined functions.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 3:21 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:

I agree.

The radios I've seen with touch screens are a real compromise in
usability. Either the screen is too small to be useful, or it is so big
that many hard controls are sacrificed to avoid making the front panel
too large. The worst are the PC-based interfaces, where all hard
controls are eliminated.

The IC-7300 is a case in point. When I first encountered one, I gave up
trying to figure out how to change bands, and had to ask the owner. Of
course, you just touch the MHz digit on the display! Obvious, I
suppose, in retrospect.

The problem with touch displays is similar to 'hidden' mouse movements
on PCs. Unless you've read the manual or had someone show you, it is
entirely not obvious how to do cool things with the mouse.

How many folks know that on Windows 7/10 if you drag a window to the
right or left side of the screen, that it will magically re-size to fill
just the right-half or the left-half of the screen? Makes it super
simple to place two instances of the file explorer side-by-side to
assist in doing drag 'n drop operations between windows.
How many know that if you drag the winnow top edge (as in a resize
operation) to the top of the screen it will automatically fill the
screen top to bottom? And if you subsequently drag it off the top, the
window will snap back to its original size and position?
How many know that if you grab a window title bar, and shake the mouse,
that all other windows will minimize? And if you shake the window
again, they all come back?

I'd bet that at least some of you just learned something about your PC
that you didn't know before. There is a least another dozen cool things
(like using Ctl-Windows-right or -left arrow on Windows 10 to access
multiple desktops of windows).

So, how do you implement cool touch- or mouse-movements without leaving
novice users in the dust?

That's the $64,000 question.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4?
From: Wayne Burdick 
Date: Mon, March 25, 2019 12:56 pm
To: Bert 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 

The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for
functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they
say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility.

Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A
touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and
in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection,
zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at
narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original
pixels, as implemented on some existing radios.

Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for
"high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher
than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable.
Very un-Elecraft like.

Wayne
N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4? Voice commands

[Doug Person]

Mic for voice response is integrated into the radio. It is listening all 
the time. Wouldn't work otherwise.


"Ellie, turn on the VOX"

"I'm sorry Dave. You aren't paying attention. The VOX is already on..."

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 2:46 PM, Kidder, George wrote:

I have a distorted vision of the following:

Your K4 is on SSB, tuned to the net you are checked into.  Your VOX is
on - you forgot.

Your K4 (VOX already activated)  New features can be added.

At 13 other K4 stations, the speaker repeats "Ellie, turn on the VOX",
and these 13 rigs respond by doing so.

13 operators, not wanting the VOX on, say "Ellie, turn off the VOX",
which, since the VOX is now on, is transmitted (nearly simultaneously)
on the net frequency.

(etc. - complete or alter events to suit your own distorted imagination!)

It is enough to make a cow (Elsie) laugh.

George, W3HBM

On 3/25/2019 1:37 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
ab...@ilstu.edu]


On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert  wrote:

Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it
in our transceivers in the near future.

Instead of “Hey Siri!” we could say “Hey Ellie!” to our Elecraft gear.

wunder
K6WRU
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Doug Person]

Voice response. Voice modules have been available for various rigs for 
sometime. They don't listen and do what you ask. But they will read the 
S-meter, tell you what frequency/band you're one. It with be technically 
easy to build a small option box that would handle a voice interface. If 
a web server is built into a radio, a voice interface could be managed 
as a web app. There are many possibilities.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 11:02 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. 
Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators.

I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
While those are certainly advantages, there are several 
disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren’t 
tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for 
you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think 
VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire 
things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented 
anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff 
are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and 
buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without 
having to see where they are. 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person]

Gze! That's exactly what I had in 1962!

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 12:52 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
As and affluent high school kid,   I built my own 6DQ6 CW 
transmitter/crystal oscillator with most of the parts recovered from  
junk TV sets.   And I bought a used S-38B receiver.   I was a ham for 
40 years before I obtained my Collins station.


Many years and radios later, today there is a complete K Line on my 
operating desk.   It just doesn't get any better and I'm delighted in 
the experience and knowledge gained along the way.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 3/25/2019 12:41 PM, Bert wrote:
I could only dream about Collins, living on the other side of the 
pond at that time!


Bert VE3NR  (SM7BUR)



On 3/25/2019 1:38 PM, Josh Fiden wrote:

Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks!

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device


On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj  wrote:

When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a 
triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500.

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

Even if it's just an application installed into an integrated computer? 
This would not be folding the source into other code. It's just 
installing it into a computer that happens to be inside another device. 
It wouldn't be firmware. It would be the same as when I run it on my 
Raspberry Pi.


Doug --KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 12:01 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:

FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General Public
License v3.   According to the GPL v3 FAQ:

"You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system.
The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy,
redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate
GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of
making the GPL-covered software nonfree too."

So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL
v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the firmware.

Neil, KN3iLZ

On 3/25/2019 11:57 AM, Doug Person wrote:

I think you misunderstand open source. Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 7:37 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

"integrated FT8" will never happen.  If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open
source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements
could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is 
NOT

open-source.

At least I believe I read that somewhere.   That's my belief. Sort of
the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not
incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software.   They
simply can't.



On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole  wrote:


Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few
things, though in no particular order of merit:

Integrated 7” (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen.

‘Proper’ band stacking registers.

Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B.

Individual mode buttons.

AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly.

More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable
software as
digi modes develop.

Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac.

50V minimum PA.

Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD.

Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu.

Bigger rotary controls with more space.

RF performance equal to or better than best of the best.

Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability.

PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU
(KPA500/KAT500).

I/Q output.

Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is
already the leader there).

More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio
can do from a computer.

Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head
used from where you need to be.

More ‘And’, less ‘Either or’ (Mic/Line selection level etc).


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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person]

It's actually very cheap to do. You could program a voice chip with an 
arduino or raspberry pi. It's more "should you" rather than "could you". 
And then consider people with a handicap. A voice option would be a 
God-send for the sight impaired and those with poor hand/eye 
coordination or who suffer from conditions that make manipulating small 
knobs difficult.


Doug --KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 11:57 AM, Bert wrote:

Hi Phil,

Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it
in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably
too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and 
cents!

OMHO!

Bert VE3NR



On 3/25/2019 12:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch 
screen.  They will have a voice interface.  In fact, a number of 
devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work 
just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry.


For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system.  I 
also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free 
merely by saying something like "Siri, call home".  I also play music 
I have on my iPhone.  Instead of using the touch-screen music 
browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever.  
I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri 
for this interface.


And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit 
of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now".  Alexa answers clearly 
with date and time.


phil, K7PEH


On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert  wrote:

Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will 
have have touch screens as I/O interface.


You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not 
commercially viable, it will never happen,

i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents!

BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-)

Bert VE3NR



On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote:
Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much 
from burn-in. They can also be replaced.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:
I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen 
too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I 
like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged 
can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a 
radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I 
like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a 
little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was 
worth it


Mark.  WB7TLK


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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person]

What is most desirable when combining analog controls and digital 
interfaces is the ability to assign functions to various switches and 
buttons. These can be arranged around the screen so that the control 
labels can be "soft" while the controls themselves are "hard". E.g., not 
everyone uses squelch, or rarely change cw sending speed. Being able to 
customize your control configuration would be very desirable. Different 
modes, different functions assigned to controls. This way, the number of 
controls are minimized while providing the best combination of hard 
controls for a particular mode or operating environment.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 11:56 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert  wrote:

Touch screens are unavoidable!


The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most 
frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for 
its versatility.

Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen 
inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced 
time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done 
right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" 
of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios.

Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" 
super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only 
that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like.

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

The P3 is far superior to the spectrum display on the 7610? In what way? 
Are you sure you understand how to configure the 7610 display?


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 8:51 AM, K8TE wrote:

I will visit a friend to operate his station again for the CQ WW WPX SSB
Contest this coming weekend.  We use these opportunities to motivate and
train new contesters.  His main rig is an IC-7610.  I will bring my KPA1500
to substitute for his 600 Watt amplifier and tuner since neither provides
the kind of integration the K-Line can.

I greatly prefer operating my K3/P3 over the IC-7610!  The P3 is a far
better panadaptor than the IC-7610's!  The K3's user interface is much
simpler and more effective to operate than the IC-7610's.  BTW, this his the
second IC-7610 in my friend's shack as the first failed 46+ times during
last November's ARRL SS-SSB Contest (we may have missed counting some).
Icom had the radio for several weeks and found no trouble.  I give them
credit for replacing it after the November debacle, no questions asked.  The
replacement didn't fail during the ARRL DX-SSB Contest in February.

The K4, when it comes, I assert, will not be about aesthetics, but
performance and features serious hams want.  If you haven't been paying
attention, a significant number of those hams have replaced their K3S radios
with the Flex 6700.  Their feature set and performance have set a standard
the K4 will need to excede.  I am confident it will.

The K3S is definitely NOT "dated" with regard to performance.  Check out Rob
Sherwood's, NC0B, receiver performance listing:
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.  The K3S is #2 for transceivers with the
upgraded K3 immediately behind it.  Elecraft's challenge is to provide a
significant improvement in performance which depends upon both hardware and
engineering.  That is more difficult than ever before.  The K3 was a
game-changer.  I suspect we won't see a K4 until it too can change the game.

I am amused by some of the Luddite comments regarding touch screens and
computer interfacing.  Yes, the K3S is an awesome stand-alone rig and the
K-Line abely performs without a computer in sight.  However, most of us have
progressed from contesting and DX'ing using paper and pen.  Don't use a
computer if you don't want, but don't knock the many advantages a computer
in the shack provides.  After all, it is 2019.  Read your equipment manuals,
get KE7X's books, and see what else you can do with your Elecraft gear.
Most of all, have fun.

I recall watching the KPA1500 poster go up on the wall at the IDXC in
Visalia.  I look forward to seeing the K4 poster there or in Xenia!  After
all, it's just my kids' inheritance I'm spending and enjoying.

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

I think you misunderstand open source. Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/25/2019 7:37 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

"integrated FT8" will never happen.  If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open
source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements
could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is NOT
open-source.

At least I believe I read that somewhere.   That's my belief.Sort of
the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not
incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software.   They
simply can't.



On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole  wrote:


Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few
things, though in no particular order of merit:

Integrated 7” (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen.

‘Proper’ band stacking registers.

Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B.

Individual mode buttons.

AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly.

More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as
digi modes develop.

Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac.

50V minimum PA.

Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD.

Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu.

Bigger rotary controls with more space.

RF performance equal to or better than best of the best.

Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability.

PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500).

I/Q output.

Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is
already the leader there).

More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio
can do from a computer.

Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head
used from where you need to be.

More ‘And’, less ‘Either or’ (Mic/Line selection level etc).


Martin, HS0ZED




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Re: [Elecraft] K4?

[Doug Person]

Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from 
burn-in. They can also be replaced.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:

I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of 
these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow 
screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than 
the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without 
straining my back.I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The 
price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was 
worth it

Mark.  WB7TLK


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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Doug Person]

You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince 
and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. There is so much military 
hardware that is dependent on touch screens that your argument just 
doesn't hold up. This technology is decades old now. You may find some 
poorly designed stuff that is unreliable. But, its due to poor design - 
both physically and in software. Hopefully, if there is a touch screen 
K4, the K3s will stay around for those that prefer buttons and switches.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on 
the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this 
moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.

He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were 
breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and 
then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to 
tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen 
does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! 
Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and 
while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four 
hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the 
usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device 
understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there 
stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits 
there, stupefied, wondering why those 

Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

1.) The K3s and P3 combined in one box.

1.) A 7" touch screen with spectrum display, fully configurable for 
operations and with access to setup menu.


2.) The hybrid analog/digital technology of the K3s. It's so good as it 
is I would hate to see it change.


3.) Options for 4 meters, 2 meters and 70cm that would make it possible 
to operate satellites with appropriate external PAs and preamps


4.) Optional built-in server for direct remote access via internet (No 
connection to am external PC required for remote access).


5.) Optional 200 watt PA with 200 watt ATU


Doug -- KJ0F

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Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Doug Person]

I've designed and developed all sorts of user interfaces. Some touch and 
some not. A touch screen has several huge advantages:


1.) it can be updated. When a better approach for a particular function 
is determined - a firmware update can be performed to change the user 
interface.


2.) When an optional board is added (VHF/UHF, inboard-tuner, etc), the 
user interface can be changed to accommodate it.


3.) Several configurations can be stored. For ex. a configuration for 
contesting, one for normal ops, satellite,  digital modes, etc. The idea 
is that the display can be configured for each individual's preference.


A 7" touch screen is a blank canvas. Firmware changes can add or remove 
anything. Buttons and switches are a one time implementation.


I understand how some people find touch screens annoying. I've seen a 
lot of bad designs and they give touch screens a bad reputation. But a 
well-designed screen can be just as good or even superior to rows of 
buttons and switches.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

I have used all sort of user interfaces.

Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens.  They all work and do what they need
to do.

That being said, it comes down to what works for you.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj  wrote:


I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you
describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are
the least reliable.

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona  wrote:

Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to

come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning
around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.

He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he

were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal
tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant
clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's
touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch
screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but
nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is
tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours,
and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the
usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their
device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits
there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins.
Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those 

Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Doug Person]

This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft 
products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other 
members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more.  Want a 
suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for 
cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC 
to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC?  
These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here.


This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also 
about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly 
to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:
I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a 
technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A 
place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said 
equipment.


I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.


Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to 
be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no 
interest?


Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Doug Person]

My main radio is an IC-7610. Nice screen, spectrum display built in. 
Cost effective for what you get. However, I miss my K3. There some 
things that other radios just can't seem to do as well. Right now, my 
next radio purchase will be the K4 - when ever that is. I'm convinced it 
will happen. It is just a matter of time. The K3 is very dated. All the 
major manufacturers now all have 7" color touch screens and real-time 
spectrum displays. Performance has improved greatly all around. 
Something that has happened as a result of the K3 setting a high bar.


So - is the K4 in the planning stages? No one outside of Elecraft can 
answer that. But the odds are very high that it is. Elecraft has to 
compete and the competition has set a new bar. The K3s is only going to 
go so far while the market takes such a dramatic nee direction.


The K3s is not so different from the K3 and it was easy to upgrade the 
K3 to the full equivalent of the K3s. Any potential K4 is going to be 
very much like the K3s with the P3 integrated into a somewhat larger 
box. Being already at or near to the top of the performance list, a K4 
is going to be more about aesthetics than performance. With this in 
mind, a K3s and a P3 will do anything any potential K4 will do. So it 
can be a tough decision. Wait or don't wait. The K3s will not disappoint.


But, my special ham radio savings account is still growing as I wait 
patiently for the K4. I just hope it won't be too long. Eric... Can I 
put a deposit down now? (Just kidding...)


Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 12:16 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote:

Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning 
stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was 
announced. I was livid.. LOL

so.. what say Elecraft?

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 serial interfaces

[Doug Person]

I think the point is that RS-232 does not, as a protocol, support 
polling. Nothing prevents you from doing some sort of polling 
programmatically. However, multiple devices on a single RS-232 line is 
beyond what the protocol was designed for. That's why there is RS-485 - 
which IS designed for multi-device control.


Doug -- KJ0F


On 2/11/2019 2:55 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

"I have no idea how your "polling" device works, but with RS-232, there is no 
polling,"

Point 1 is true. Point 2 is, in my opinion, not true.

A poll is a request for information.  The device issuing the poll/request is 
the polling device.   For example, sending IF; to a TS-590 is a data request, 
or poll, for the current IF status.  The TS-590 responds with the full IF word.

Andy, k3wyc


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Re: [Elecraft] whats a updated K3 called?

[Doug Person]

K3+ as the TenTec folks had referred to the Omni 6 with upgrades.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 1/10/2019 8:23 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Sure. Or maybe the "real" K3S is "Son of K3," while the upgraded model is "Stepson 
of K3"?

Back to my lab where I belong

Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 10, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Rich  wrote:

I kind of like

K3s (lower case S) is modified K3

K3S (upper case S) is the new radio

Rich

K3RWN

On 1/10/2019 21:37 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote:

what do we call an original K3 with the new preamp and synthesizer boards in 
it? K3 1.5? only difference between it and a S model is the USB board.
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[Elecraft] FOR SALE: MH2, MH3, XG3

[Doug Person]

All items in mint, clean condition and include shipping USPS First Class:

MH2 Microphone for K2, K3, K3s 
 -- $50.00


MH3 Microphone for KX2, KX3  
-- $50.00


XG3  RF Signal Source  -- $175.00   
(Includes, serial cable, 2M Flexible Antenna [Think Fox Hunts] and 
non-resonant Telescoping whip)


Please replay off-list -- Thanks for helping me fund a KX2

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[Elecraft] FOR SALE: Minty Clean MH3 Microphone

[Doug Person]

Still more from the storage room:

Essentially brand-new MH3 microphone for the KX-line.

$50 Shipped 1st Class USPS CONUS

PayPal works best. (PayPal address dxvic...@gmail.com)

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Re: [Elecraft] Small items for sale

[Doug Person]

I have 2  remaining items I would like to sell:  (please respond 
off-list if interested)


N-GEN WIDEBAND NOISE GENERATOR -- BUILT  $35 Shipped 1st class USPS

XG-1 SIGNAL GENERATOR -- built -- $35 Shipped 1st Class USPS

Thanks -- Doug -- KJ0F

doug (at) kj0f.com

Just for reference - this is what the XG-1 is:

Description: The XG1 is a crystal-controlled signal generator with very 
accurate 1 microvolt and 50 microvolt output levels. The output 
frequency is 7040 kHz. The unit can be used to determine the actual 
sensitivity and receive gain of any HF receiver that covers the 40-meter 
band. The 50-microvolt output can be used for S-meter calibration.


The output levels are accurate to better than +/- 2 dB (typically +/- 1 
dB). This makes the XG1 a low-cost alternative to expensive lab-grade 
signal generators when comparing the performance of various receivers.


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[Elecraft] For Sale: K1 Internal Battery Option KBT1

[Doug Person]

More stuff from the storage room:

I have a fresh in-the-box KBT1 unbuilt Internal Battery Option for the 
K1 Transceiver.  $50 Shipped 1st Class CONUS


Please reply off-list

Doug -- KJ0F


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[Elecraft] Small items for sale

[Doug Person]

I have 3 small items I would like to sell:  (please respond off-list if 
interested)


N-GEN WIDEBAND NOISE GENERATOR -- KIT  $35 Shipped 1st class USPS

N-GEN WIDEBAND NOISE GENERATOR -- BUILT  $35 Shipped 1st class USPS

XG-1 SIGNAL GENERATOR -- built -- $35 Shipped 1st Class USPS

Thanks -- Doug -- KJ0F

doug (at) kj0f.com

Just for reference - this is what the XG-1 is:

Description: The XG1 is a crystal-controlled signal generator with very 
accurate 1 microvolt and 50 microvolt output levels. The output 
frequency is 7040 kHz. The unit can be used to determine the actual 
sensitivity and receive gain of any HF receiver that covers the 40-meter 
band. The 50-microvolt output can be used for S-meter calibration.


The output levels are accurate to better than +/- 2 dB (typically +/- 1 
dB). This makes the XG1 a low-cost alternative to expensive lab-grade 
signal generators when comparing the performance of various receivers.


Like Elecraft's other "mini-module" kits, the XG1 is easy to build, as 
well as small: the PC board is just 3.5 x 1.5 inches. Other features 
include a power-on LED, on-board battery with low-battery warning LED, 
and protection against accidental transmit at QRP levels.



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Re: [Elecraft] Things for sale

[Doug Person]

Power supply and encoder are spoken for. Still have the cable - it's 
brand new - never used.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 1/3/2019 8:20 PM, Doug Person wrote:

I have the following extras that I would like to sell:


    KX3 Encoder Upgrade for older KX3's or replacement for newer 
models Part # KX3VFOMDKT $50 shipped 1st CLASS USPS CONUS


    K3S to P3 Cable Part # CBL3Y $25 Shipped 1st CLASS USPS CONUS

    Powerwerx 30 amp power supply as sold by Elecraft model SS30DV $85 
Shipped USPS Priority Mail CONUS



Contact me off-list if interested.

tnx & 73, Doug -- KJ0F

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[Elecraft] Things for sale

[Doug Person]

I have the following extras that I would like to sell:


    KX3 Encoder Upgrade for older KX3's or replacement for newer models 
Part # KX3VFOMDKT $50 shipped 1st CLASS USPS CONUS


    K3S to P3 Cable Part # CBL3Y $25 Shipped 1st CLASS USPS CONUS

    Powerwerx 30 amp power supply as sold by Elecraft model SS30DV $85 
Shipped USPS Priority Mail CONUS



Contact me off-list if interested.

tnx & 73, Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: OT: Need Recommendations for Powered Speaker for KX3 (WU6R)

[Doug Person]

I'm glad they (West Mountain speakers) worked for you. Mine were just 
about as bad as the cheap $10 pair they replaced. Then they just died.


Computer speaks are always hit or miss. I've found Logitech, even the 
cheap ones, are decent. But there's only so much any tiny amp can 
handle. I actually found a pair of super efficient non-amplified 
speakers meant to work off a headphone output. Not a lot of volume. But 
a lot more than the built-in.


I also built a small speaker enclosure using a plastic utility box with 
2 1.25" Mylar speakers driven by one of the now highly common tiny 
amplifier boards. I shielded and beaded everything. Works great and a 
fun little project.


73, Doug -- KJ0F

On 12/22/2018 4:20 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

I can't speak more highly about my two pairs of West Mountain speakers.

73 !

Ken G Kopp

-- Forwarded message -
From: Don Wilhelm 
Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 16:15
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Need Recommendations for Powered Speaker for
KX3 (WU6R)
To: Mark Wheeler , 


Mark,

Many computer speakers are quite sensitive to RF and cause that problem.
At my 100 watt power level, I have found the West Mountain Radio
COMspkrs are immune to that problem (they are shielded).  I don't know
what might happen at power levels above 100 watts.

The only thing I don't like about them is the bright blue LED.  I have
mine covered with tape.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2018 4:59 PM, Mark Wheeler via Elecraft wrote:

While the K3S is in the shop, I setup the KX3 as my temporary base

station, but the internal speaker leaves a lot to be desired at higher
volume. I connected a cheap set of powered pc speakers to the KX3 but I
hear distortion through the powered speakers when transmitting with the KX3
and KPA-100 connected to a KPA-500. Has anyone found a high quality powered
speaker to connect to the KX3 that doesn’t distort when transmitting?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win 10 Pro USB Audio Codec Issue

[Doug Person]

The FTDI drivers have nothing to do with the audio interface. Look in 
device manager and see what you have under audio devices. If you find 
some undefined devices, right-click, select driver, and click update.  
If you need better step-by-step directions, I'd be happy to send you 
very detailed instructions with screen shots.  Also, make sure you're 
selecting the right audio devices. Most PCs these day already have two. 
With the K3S you're going to have 3.


73, Doug -- KJ0F

On 12/22/2018 2:14 PM, N1VH wrote:

My radio club just replaced our pc's and we are now running Win10 Pro.   The
K3S is recognized (com port and USB Controller) and works well with N1MM,
HRD and WSJT-X (CAT control).  However, the USB Audio Codec is not being
loaded for the radio.  Windows does not recognize the K3S sound card and as
a result, WSJT-X does not have USB codec options in the audio settings.   I
have done a Windows reset / reload and downloaded the latest FTDI drivers.
We had no issue running the K3S via USB under Win 10 basic on our old pc's.
(K3S is configured correctly - Rs232 = 'USB' and Mic Set = 'line in'.)

I know this was an issue earlier this year when MS pushed out a Win10
update.  I have searched the forums, but have not seen any fixes other than
what I have already tried.   Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get
the USB Audio Codec to load in the Win 10 Pro  'device manager - sound,
video and game controllers'?

Thanks.
Marty - N1VH



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question

[Doug Person]

As I dug around in my store room to recover the KTA100-2, which sold 
quickly, I also found, still in the brown paper, an original K2 QRP top 
cover. I believe this was left over from K2 build that went directly to 
the 100 watt amp option.  Sop if anyone needs a new top cover, contact 
me off list.


73, Doug --KJ0F

On 12/22/2018 2:30 PM, Rick Wheeler wrote:

I always wondered why Elecraft discontinued the EC2 enclosure. Even the mod to 
use the EC2 enclosure with the 100 watt amp and tuner was unofficial as I 
understood. I built the 100 amp and tuner in the EC2 as per the instructions to 
mate with the K2. Maybe the demand was not there but neat setup and works great!


Rick

K4LX

K2 No. 2005




From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on behalf 
of Don Wilhelm 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:03:18 PM
To: Johnny Matlock; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question

Johnny,

NO!  First of all, the KPA100 occupies the entire top area of the K2
(there is no room in the K2 for both) and secondly, the KAT2 is only
rated for 20 watts,
and thirdly, the ATU must be between the amplifier and the antenna - a
tuner at the input of an amplifier will do nothing useful.

Use the KAT100-1 - it is about half the height of the K2 enclosure.

Contrary to some comments I have seen and heard, the KAT100-1 is
available and will be for some time in the future.

It is the EC2 enclosure that is no longer available, and the KAT100-2
depended on the EC2 for the enclosure, so the KAT100-2 had to be
discontinued at the same time as the EC2 was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2018 2:49 PM, Johnny Matlock wrote:

I am looking at a K2-100 that is has the amp mounted in the top cover.

Is it possible to have the 20 watt internal tuner in this enclosure
With the amp?


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[Elecraft] KAT200-2 is Sold

[Doug Person]

Thanks to everyone who expressed interest in the KAT100-2 (With EC2 
enclosure). I was kind of taken by surprise. Two years ago I decided to 
leave my K2 as is with the amplifier installed. The KX2 kind of made a 
QRP only K2 obsolete. So I bought another KAT100 because I thought the 
K2 and accessories might be discontinued. I'm glad I was wrong. The 
KAT100-2 kind of got forgotten about.


Building a K2 is an experience I highly recommend to anyone. But, most 
especially to anyone just getting their feet feet in ham radio. There's 
no better feeling in this hobby than making contacts with a K2 that you 
built yourself.


Personally I wish there was a K2 Mark 2. But, I also wish there was a 
K4! Maybe someday!


Over the years I have built pretty much every kit with the big "E" name 
on it multiple times. 5 K2, 3 K1, 3 KX1, etc. The one big confidence 
builder when tackling complex kits is Elecraft's support and most 
especially a guy named Don who has bailed me out several times when I 
really goofed - like putting a transistor in backwards. So, really, even 
if you really goof up bad, someone, such as Don, will get you through it.


73, Doug -- KJ0F
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with KPA-100

[Doug Person]

I have complete, original, unassembled, KAT100-2 in the original box 
that I never got around to building. If anyone is interested - contact 
off list.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 12/21/2018 1:33 PM, David Woolley wrote:
Unfortunately the KAT100-2 doesn't seem to be available any longer, 
even though it is still described on the man page for the tuner.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: G5RV antenna

[Doug Person]

I experimented with a G5RV. I did not have worth while results. A simple 
dipole with a quality current balun easily outperformed it. I also tried 
the "Mystery Antenna" - a joke. Measurements were down to a millimeter. 
It was up for an hour then was scrapped. I did have "acceptable" results 
with the G5RV in that my Differential-T tuner could load it on 40 
through 10 quite easily.


My next test was a 132' doublet fed with 40' of good quality 300 ohm 
twin lead into an excellent 1:1 current balun with 10' of RG/213 into my 
tuner. Tunes 160 through 10 with my Diff-T tuner. Signal reports were 
outstanding on 40 and easily a match for the dipole on 20. Nothing 
surprising about these results.


As many have said before - the 132' wire-fed doublet is the best 
overall, must versatile antenna you can erect.


73, Doug -- KJ0F

On 12/9/2018 12:52 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
From my experience, more folks should pay attention to the antenna and 
balun work done by DJ0IP.    They would likely have better performing 
antennas.  His work is proven on antennas and not text book or 
computer models, but indeed he provides real world results.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 12/9/2018 10:30 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
In addition, Reg was designing in the era of valve output 
transmitters with built-in pi-tank matching system, so, it was 
possible to match on different bands.  I'm sure mine worked across 80 
to 10m in those days.  For 80 to 10m these days I use a 
off-centre-fed dipole with hybrid choke/transformer at the feed point 
as designed by DJ0IP for minimum common mode current.

David G3UNA


On 08 December 2018 at 16:32 Ken G Kopp  wrote:


As I've already stated … I have a copy of the original Varney
RSGB article that describes the G5RV and plainly states that
it's a 20M only antenna.

Remember, it requires an antenna tuner …

Start with a dipole …

Keep the "magic" 32' length of 300 ohm feedline.

Delete the 68' of coax.

What's left?  A "normal" open wire fed dipole, better
known as a Zepp.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] K3

[Doug Person]

You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... and 
has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them because 
- You Know - they're Japanese...


KJ0F


On 8/15/2018 4:09 AM, John Harden, D.M.D. wrote:
I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion 
I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One 
great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with 
Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature..


Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only 
American..


73,

John, W4NU

(K4JAG 1959 to 1998)

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Top

[Doug Person]

Yes - I have an extra one.  I'll have to dig through my storage room - 
but I know I have one.


Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/29/2018 5:23 AM, William Robbins wrote:

Does anyone have a K2 cabinet top excess to their needs?

B ill

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Re: [Elecraft] The KX1 Now and Forever. Look at the QCX.

[Doug Person]

Wow. This kit looks awesome. Maybe Elecraft is just leaving this niche 
for other startups. It is the perfect place to begin. Although, I have 
asked for a K0 in the past. I have a K1 and a KX1 and love them. I was 
truly sad to see them go. But, I understand how business must be based 
on good planning and Elecraft is heading upstream. The new amp certainly 
places a stake at the very top end. Now... if we can only get that K4 
going so Big E is once again firmly in the lead.


Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/15/2018 11:59 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

I understand that Elecraft can't make the money work with a
rig with a very niche market.  So how about a KX0, or KX9000
in todays marketing bull.  Make it one band.  Make it 5 watts.
Make it buildable by real people, no smds.
...73 Eric WD6DBM

All of what you seek, and more, is already available at almost give-away prices 
in the mono-band transceiver Model QCX kits ($49) and optional custom 
enclosures ($37) from QRP Labs.  The QCX is a modern extremely sophisticated, 
innovative, and capaable design by Hans Summers, G0UPL.

QCX Description Page:
   http://qrp-labs.com/qcx.html

Presentation materials by Hans at Dayton FDIM;
   http://qrp-labs.com/images/news/dayton2018/seminar.pdf
   http://qrp-labs.com/images/news/dayton2018/fdim2018.pdf

QCX Assembly, Alignment, Operation, and Theory Manual:
   http://qrp-labs.com/images/qcx/assembly3_LT.pdf

This manual is outstanding in all areas.  Like the kit design, it is a real 
tour de force.  The kit requires no SMD soldering and is almost all easy TTH 
construction.  The QCX includes all necessary built-in test signal generation 
and associated displays for making alignments.

I don't believe there is any conflict mentioning the QCX mono-band unit on the 
Elecraft list because it is NOT a competitor to ANY product that has ever been 
in Elecraft's 20-year product line.  In one year, almost 6000 QCX kits have 
been sold.  I have recently received four of them and begun construction.

There's more than enough room in my QRP world to appreciate the excellence of 
my three 20-year-old Small Wonders DSW mono-band units, my 18-year-old K1, my 
recent KX2, and my (I hope) soon-to-be completed QCX units.  I love the 
technical innovation in every one of these.

Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: 7300 vs 7610 question

[Doug Person]

It's true that the IC-7610 is simply two IC-7300 type receivers in one 
box. But, it IS dual receive - which is nice. Another impressive feature 
is the built-in web server. Remote control is simple and accessible from 
any PC. Otherwise, it has the features you would expect in a mid-range 
transceiver. And, of course, the K3s maintains the lead in receiver 
performance.


Doug --KJ0F


On 7/8/2018 9:06 AM, Bill wrote:
I know the 7300 is a simple rig with only a single antenna connector 
and single RX. Is the 7610 just two 7300s in a single case? Yeah, I 
know, stupid question. I have no intention of letting go of my K3/P3 
and Genovation keypad/KPod for control. But, I do wonder what you get 
for all the additional dollars. With my K3 I can see and choose what I 
get - built and set up to suit me.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

[Doug Person]

I think the point was that a comparison between the two isn't 
meaningful. I think (based on experience as an early adopter of both) 
that the IC-7300 is outstanding bit of kit for the money.


The K3x performance is a bargain when compared to other company's 
top-end radios.


Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/4/2018 11:23 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
I tried a friend's IC-7300 out  OK for the money, but I would not 
trade my Elecraft for ALL the money I paid for it PLUS a FREE IC-7300.


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On 04-Jul-18 12:11, Doug Person wrote:
I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did 
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. 
By the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve 
feature parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This 
actually makes the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 
is, after all, an entry level radio.


I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to 
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has 
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage 
will last much longer.


Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

[Doug Person]

Well your experience is much different than mine. I enjoy all the brands 
just as I enjoy many brands of guitars, telescopes, and cars.


None have been as responsive as Elecraft. But, I certainly haven't been 
subjected to rudeness or condescension (the latter would be a serious 
mistake on anyone's part.)


I have nice examples of all the brands and I have my favorites.

The "Man/Machine" interface as an engineering challenge is always 
fascinating.


Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/4/2018 11:10 AM, Tom wrote:
My experience with technical support from Icom, .. most emails go 
unanswered.  Phone calls get resolved.  Very little feedback for 
firmware updates or issues.
My experience with Yaesu, some of the most rude and condescending 
support staff anywhere. Horrible to deal with.  Everything is "send in 
the radio".
My experience with Elecraft, top notch, always want to help, sometimes 
slow firmware updates, but always proportional to the number of requests.


Ergonomics:  Feel of controls, and quality of controls: Yaeus first, 
followed by Icom, then Elecraft.  Using a FTDX-5000 is just real 
pleasure.


73 Tom
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-Original Message- From: Doug Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:40 PM
To: 'Doug Person' ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

Friends,
   There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in 
contests

and with high power neighbours.

    Other K3/S advantages:
1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to 
your

needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio 
in the

future try to maintain this modular approach.

2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.

3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.

4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal 
of the

K3/S.

5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and 
again

all of this is modular.

6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit 
built

radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.

 Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with 
Johnson

Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated. The fully
equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio 
world.


  I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with 
though
I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the 
past.

Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.

  73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
entry level radio.

I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
last much longer.

Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

[Doug Person]

On 7/4/2018 10:40 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

Friends,
 There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
does a grand job as does the TD590s.For now and for some considerable
time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
and with high power neighbours.
As I said - I agree that the K3 has a superior receiver. It's noticeable 
but not a dramatic difference however.

  Other K3/S advantages:
1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
future try to maintain this modular approach.
Modular has its advantages. However, the IC-7300 comes well featured 
already, e.g., 100 watts, spectrum display, built-in tuner ( mine does 
much better than 3:1), effective digital filters, voice recorder for 
receiving and sending.

2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
there is an equal forum with the designers involved.Support from the
factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
Perhaps you haven't had an opportunity to need support from Icom - thus 
you are speculating.

3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.

4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
K3/S.

5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
all of this is modular.

6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.

One can describe the K3s as a kit if they like. The K2 is a real kit.

   Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.
I have, in fact, done that with those. As well as operated a K3 since it 
was first released. Mine was one of the first 2000 or so. I'm not 
knocking it.

I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
Ten-Tec has been (past tense since they pretty much don't exist at the 
moment) great. No argument regarding the involvement of Wayne and Eric 
in this group. Flex engineers are also pretty active and responsive. But 
they are just following Elecraft's lead.

73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
entry level radio.

I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
last much longer.

Doug -- KJ0F

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[Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

[Doug Person]

I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did 
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By 
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature 
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes 
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an 
entry level radio.


I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to 
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has 
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will 
last much longer.


Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control

[Doug Person]

Operating a K3 remotely is one thing. Subjecting it to varying 
temperatures and humidity is something else. Obviously, high temps and 
humidity will be a problem for any radio. You need reasonable climate 
control no matter what.


The reason I'm responding to this is because eventually the only way I 
will be able to operate is to place a transceiver in a shed on a 
friend's property and use a multiband antenna -all of which will be 
operated over the internet. The ambient RF noise in my townhome makes 
any HF operating impossible.


A 5000 BTU air conditioner can be obtained from many retailers for very 
little money. This would solve humidity and high temperature issues. 
Unless the low temperatures are extreme, I don't think its much of an issue.



Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/4/2018 10:22 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

A strange ... and "nutty"... concept.  More appropriate for April 1st IMO.

K0PP

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:10 Dave Sublette  wrote:


Is this some sort of a spoof?  You can't be serious.  Putting beautiful
equipment like this into the weather(not quite, but almost) is poor
engineering practice at least and at most, a felony.  If you insist on
doing this, sell your Elecraft stuff and buy one of the other three
imported brands, but don't expect to get any repair service when it breaks
from environmental abuse.

End of soapbox rant, for now.

Dave, K4TO

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM alapa...@w2cs.net 
wrote:


I’m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200’ from the house and operate

it

remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I’ve been

sweltering

in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What

makes

since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
summers up to 100F and humid.  Today’s temp is clearing 88 with a dew

point

of 76, for example.

What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
  If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does

not

seem to mention environmental specs.

Thanks for any info.

Gary W2CS


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Re: [Elecraft] FS:KX1 Price reduced

[Doug Person]

New Price:
I'm selling my KX1. 40 and 20 with with the tuner. Works and looks perfect.

Also have the 80/30 option unbuilt, still in the bag.

KX1 $450 shipped CONUS
80/30 Option $60 shipped CONUS
$500 for both

Doug -- KJ0F
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[Elecraft] FS:KX2

[Doug Person]

I'm selling my KX2. Looks and works perfectly.
Includes tuner, lithium battery, charger, and smaller padded case. (Mic 
has been lost. I use a small computer headset)

total new is $1081.  Will sell for $900 shipped CONUS

Thanks -- Doug -- KJ0F
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[Elecraft] FS: KPA500

[Doug Person]

I'm selling my KPA500 #2368 due to mounting medical bills. It has a few 
scratches on the side panel from rubbing against the K3. Works 
perfectly. Non-smoker. Two power cords - 120 & 240 with fuses, manual, 
shipped CONUS $1750. PayPal preferred


Doug --KJ0F
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Re: [Elecraft] FS:KX2 - New Price

[Doug Person]

New Price:
I'm selling my KX2. Looks and works perfectly.
Includes tuner, lithium battery, charger, and smaller padded case. 
(Mic has been lost. I use a small computer headset)

total new is $1081.  Will sell for $790 shipped CONUS

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Re: [Elecraft] Re who would spend 30 hours building a k2?

[Doug Person]

I have built 4 K2s. I built 3 just for the pure pleasure of 
participating in the engineering art that the K2 represents. The key to 
success is to not watch the clock; to not consider time at all when 
performing the assembly steps. As in many things in life, you should 
focus solely on the current step and current component. Do not think of 
the next step or steps later on, or even finishing. Place each component 
with all the care you can. One mistake resulting from rushing will cause 
you frustration and disappointment. The greatest sense of satisfaction 
you can experience when your are finished is to know that you did 
everything to highest degree of perfection you are capable of.


Doug -- KJ0F

On 1/30/2018 2:39 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

If you are interested in building as well as operating it's a pleasant
experience. Just like a 10 mile hike, you do it one simple, easy step at a
time.

Those who seem to have had trouble just wanted a K2 to operate and tried to
put the kit together as quickly as possible without double-checking their
work at each step along the way.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Subject: [Elecraft] Re who would spend 30 hours building a k2?

I bought a used k2 and just spent 12 hrs building a Kant-100.
The k2 looks like a bigger challenge .
Mine had the 100w amp included.
Bill

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[Elecraft] FS:KX1

[Doug Person]

I'm selling my KX1. 40 and 20 with with the tuner. Works and looks perfect.
Also have the 80/30 option unbuilt, still in the bag.

KX1 $500 shipped CONUS
80/30 Option $60 shipped CONUS
$550 for both

Doug -- KJ0F
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[Elecraft] KX1 for sale

[Doug Person]

Since acquiring a KX2, the KX1 has remained unused on the self. I don't 
think it's likely that it will ever see any use, so I've decided to sell it.


The KX1 is in excellent condition with no scratches on the case. It 
produces about 3.25 watts on a fresh set of alkaline batteries.


Included is the 80/30 option which has not been built or installed. I 
only ever operated 40 or 20 when I did use it.


I also have the KXPD1 paddle option which is also unbuilt and still in 
its plastic bag.


I might sell the options separately depending on whether someone wants 
just the KX1 or all of it.


I'm not sure what it's really worth. So if you're interested, please 
make an offer off-list.


Thanks and 73,

Doug -- KJ0F
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PRE function question

[Doug Person]

That seems odd. I live in a community of about 2000 spread over an area 
of 450 square miles. There is power and phone service to every house. 
Internet is either satellite or over the cellular network. My noise 
level on 20 meters is less than S1 and usually doesn't even move the 
meter. 80 and 40 are typical of atmospheric conditions. Even on my 
full-size 40 meter vertical the noise level is typically S1 to S2.


You must just have some really bad luck. I think I live in a typical 
rural community where the only real noise generator is a cranky electric 
fence.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/1/17 6:49 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Wayne and all:

A graphic example is my experience when I first arrived in Alaska to 
live in a small town of 75 people at end of 16-mile dead-end gravel 
road surrounded by the Chugach NF.  I rented a one-room cabin 14x16 
foot with a wood stove- that's all.  No electricity, no telephone, no 
running water, no toilet - just an outhouse. Nearest electric power 
was 3-miles away.  Hooking up my battery operted TS-180S to a 80m 
dipole the s-meter did not budge off zero.  I could hear out to 
800-1000 mile everynight on 80m.  All HF bands were quiet.


Ten years later the electric utility extended lines to my property and 
I had both power and phone service.  Noise went up to S3. Population 
of the town grew to 150 and the main road was paved.


Now I live about 100 miles west of there in a community of 4,000+ 12 
miles from a small city of 7,500.  80m runs S5 on a quiet day; 6m is 
also S5 noise floor.


So good luck finding that quiet place (beyond civilization)!  I live 
on the Kenai Peninsula of Alaska with area about the same as Ireland 
and pop of 55,000.  Everyone has wireless junk so "there goes the 
neighborhood".


I still can hear the occasional ATV, dirt bike or  snowmachine pass by 
the house.


Next move is the backside of the Moon!  LOL
73, Ed - KL7UW

Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:51:41 -0800
From: Wayne Burdick 
To: Randy Farmer 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PRE function question
Message-ID: <1a077cc6-4253-40a4-86bc-cd8ad1fb7...@elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

This is why about half of our product line is intended for use 
outdoors, hopefully far from most noise sources. I?m always amazed to 
see noise drop from S6 to S0 on 20 meters, for example, when I hike up 
the hill at a park that?s a quarter mile from civilization.


If you do it often enough, you can cancel your gym membership :)

Wayne
N6KR


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

[Doug Person]

I have several antenna analyzers. The best value I think is the YouKits 
FG-01  .  It's price 
is on the lower end of the scale. It's color display and feature set are 
outstanding. I also have the MFJ 223 which is very compact and highly 
functional. These two are particularly good for travel due to their very 
small size.


73, Doug -- K0DXV


On 12/1/17 8:34 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

Thanks folks for the rundown on current small Antenna Analyzers.

  

  


Dick - KA5KKT

  


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Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!

[Doug Person]

I used the FT-817 for a long time for QRP CW, RTTY and PSK using a 
NUE-PSK digital modem. It was as great combination and a lot of fun. I 
now have a KX2 which , obviously, is very superior to the old 817. Yet 
it was a very revolutionary radio that could do an incredible number of 
things. I think the KX2/3 are also very revolutionary. An awesome 
receiver in a hand-holdable, lightweight package. Bicycle mobile with 
the KX2 is an amazing experience.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 11/8/2017 2:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales.  10,000 
sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture 
(only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was).  As a 
(former) small business  owner, I know that is not trivial to 
estimate.  Even more important to achieve.


I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders 
were taken and I received SN 475.


I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one.  Only thing it 
did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation.  I 
now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband 
duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig).


But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF performance.  
I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, which works really 
nice as mobile rig.  I bought it with 2m promised, thinking of using 
that as IF for portable mw operating. It will get its first real 
workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point in Michigan's UP 
attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and ON.  That weekend is 
the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest.


I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use 
the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home.


I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me 
to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3 
plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz 
where there is no local SSB activity.


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!

[Doug Person]

Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available?

Doug -- K0DXV

On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:

Collins... 817... 706... K3...
You are all wrong. :-)

Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still in 
production and for sale.
No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the 
market (maybe is a record).

Down the hat...

Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY



Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 2.25 Raymond Sills  ha scritto:


I say that the Yaesu FT-817 is king of the hill.   Over 250,000 sold, and still 
selling.


73 de Ray
K2ULR




-Original Message-
From: Walter Underwood 
To: Elecraft 
Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!

We know that the K3 sold nearly 10,000, so add in the K3S sales, and that is 
more than the KX3.

ICOM sure sold a lot of the IC-706 series. I would not be surprised to see that 
at the top of the list.

If we are talking rigs made specifically for amateurs, the Collins S-line might 
not qualify. If we are talking all HF, it is probably some marine or aircraft 
HF box.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
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[Elecraft] FS:Fully Upgraded K3 and P3

[Doug Person]

I'm selling my K3/P3 station. The table below lists the options and 
their prices new and my asking price.


Quality photos on request.

Everything works perfectly. All manuals and cables included. Email 
direct with any questions.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

ItemPrice
K3/100 Factory  $2,200.00
KAT3A   $379.95
KDVR3   $149.95
KIO3$389.95
KSYN3A  $249.95
NEOGRIP $16.95
P3K $699.95
P3SVGA  $289.95
P3TXMON $199.95
Total Price of Items$4,576.60
Selling Price   $3,203.62

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Re: [Elecraft] OT:Sunspots

[Doug Person]

Glad to see there are few more observers out there. What I saw were two 
groups moving from north to south. Earlier there were three groups. But 
one group rotated out of view. I'm more of a deep sky observer and 
seeing the sun is a bit of a new experience. I bought a small solar 
scope to observe the eclipse. It was quite fascinating to see it happen 
where the sun appeared as large as an apple in the eyepiece.


Now that I have the little solar scope it's kind of interesting to see 
spots with my own eyes. I'm hoping this is, in fact, the beginning of 
cycle 25. The doldrums on 20 and 17 and a bit depressing.


Oddly enough, despite the low activity, I've been quite amazed at the 
number of good Q's I've made on 20 with the KX2.  Seem to get a lot of 
5x5 to 5x7 reports along with the comment "I can't believe you're only 
running 10 watts into a dipole". Of course the dipole is about 8300' ASL 
or about 50' above average terrain which is 8250' in elevation. That 
seems to be my QRP ace-in-the-hole.


73 - actually 72! -- Viva la QRP
Doug -- K0DXV

On 8/25/2017 6:17 AM, Tommy wrote:

  Hi Fred,

Yup, I did the Sunspot counts daily for the AAVSO for 8 years a 
long time ago. It was nice to see a few groups during the eclipse! The 
"K" factor is an individual observer's factor that takes account of 
experience of the observer. See: 
https://www.aavso.org/dances-wolfs-short-history-sunspot-indices


73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 08/24/2017 11:11 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
FWIW: Counting sunspots is a fairly arcane diversion.  The generally 
accepted [although by no means universally] is the Wolf Number, 
Wn=k(10g+s), where g denotes the number of groups [sunspots tend to 
come in groups, not always individually discernible], s denotes the 
number of individual spots, again somewhat hard to discern, and k is 
an "observatory factor", which appears to be much like Einstein's 
Cosmological Constant, and can take on any value that makes the data 
work as you wish it to.  If you see spots, and they are at high solar 
latitudes, this augurs well, they may be Cycle 25. If they're on the 
solar equator, probably just part of Cycle 24.


All that said, right now there aren't very many G's or S's, and k 
could be zero for all we know.  I am currently at the point where 
living to the Cycle 25 maximum is an immediate goal. [:-)


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/24/2017 3:29 PM, Doug Person wrote:
Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning 
of the week.


Doug -- K0DXV 


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[Elecraft] OT:Sunspots

[Doug Person]

Sadly, I can only see 3 sunspots today. Down from 6 at the beginning of 
the week.


Doug -- K0DXV

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Re: [Elecraft] New radio , new display

[Doug Person]

M0MKA does have his source on github which kind of implies it's open 
source.  Elsewhere he says his code is available for non-commercial use. 
So there is a bit of a contradiction going on.  Nonetheless, Risen is 
clearly using his interface design. The Chinese view the world a little 
differently. To use something someone else has developed is somewhat of 
a compliment.  If they were moral players the would contact M0MKA and 
arrange a licensing agreement.  This, however, is unlikely to happen.  
Otherwise, M0MKA's design is very nice indeed.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 6/2/2017 3:59 AM, John AE5X wrote:

This is nothing more than yet another chinese effort at cloning work and 
creativity done by others, this time by M0NKA and his kit here:
http://www.m0nka.co.uk/

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
  
  




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Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments

[Doug Person]

You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building 
things.  They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any 
maker faire and you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids 
demonstrating their projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it 
seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger 
generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by 
teenagers and even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our 
community has done a poor job of out reach to the teens of today.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:

Guys:

Thanks!!!
I appreciate all the responses.
I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
I swear I couldn't find the schematic.

At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 
schematic.
It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build 
hardware

Russ KD4JO
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Ground rods and concrete

[Doug Person]

Working on a fire line in a national forest I've seen 75 foot pine trees 
that had been completely exploded from a lightening strike. The sap 
reaches boiling point in an instant and burning parts of the tree gets 
distributed over the ground which leads to a fire crew being dispatched. 
Most wildland fires in these parts are due to lightening and ocurr 5-10 
times per year.


My own antenna system has never had a direct strike despite the high 
lightening activity here in the high Rockies (8200'+).  But several 
times surges have blown the fuses on my lightening protectors.  One near 
strike even got past that and destroyed my switch box - which was also 
fused.


K0DXV

On 4/18/2017 11:41 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

Part of the mental imaging problem here is that our brains, in their
internal emotional response to orders of magnitude, simply cannot scale the
destructive power in lightning. Lightning is quite capable of melting the
leads to six properly done ground rods, AND at the same time blowing up a
perfectly done to code concrete base with reinforcing rods.

It just needs to be a big enough strike. I would guess (zero proof, just a
nagging inclination) that the odds of this are considerably reduced by the
presence of decently tall trees in the immediate vicinity (another lng
discussion).

Anyone who has seen a lightning strike turn three or four cubic yards of
ground dirt into glass in milliseconds, or seen a huge strike on a lake
surface boil water within a 10 foot radius has a good gut based lightning
strike power scaling device.

Every now and then I will get on YouTube and watch the cellphone videos of
the 2011 Japanese Tsunami to remind myself of the absolutely enormous
kinetic energy in a twenty foot high wall of water moving at 20 miles per
hour.

Nature can completely blast any one of us to smithereens if it wants to.
Thankfully that is nowhere near norm.

The question is how much moolah do you want to lay down, how many otherwise
good solutions do you want to shelve, for a rarity? Like how to invest,
that is a very personal decision. Good luck to all.

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Doug Renwick  wrote:


That myth refuses to die. I have 5 concrete tower bases with ground rods
partially encased and never a worry about an exploding base.

Doug


-Original Message-

-NEVER- encase a ground rod in concrete ... especially a tower base.

As a retired 2-way radio tech, I'm aware of two towers that had to be
re-installed because of lightening strikes exploding their concrete bases.

73!

Ken - K0PP



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Re: [Elecraft] Heathkit Tool.

[Doug Person]

six bucks? Small Bear has them in stock and they're only $1.75 each.

K0DXV


On 4/16/2017 8:47 AM, Brian F. Wruble wrote:

Try this:


https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Small-Nut-Starter/IF145-314-1?gclid=CMvHl92bqdMCFUJDhgodTUIOwg

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 4:39 PM wa9fvp  wrote:


Years ago I built a Heathkit SB101 and other smaller projects. Normally
they
would include a very a handy tool.  It's a plastic, what I call, a "nut
holding" tool.  Keeping it all these years I found it to be very handy
while
assembling my KPA500, KAT500 and K3S.





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Re: [Elecraft] K2 main encoder wanted

[Doug Person]

Note that DigiKey no longer carries the encoders mentioned in this 
article. Neither could I even find the manufacturer listed in their 
directory of manufacturers. I also could not find anyone who carries 
them with a Google search.  Perhaps others will have better luck.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 3/22/2017 6:26 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

  Here is some info
http://www.wm5r.org/k2-100/encoders.shtml




   From: Bob G3PJT 
  To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:06 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] K2 main encoder wanted

Hi


I need a main tuning encoder of a K2. The Elecraft part number is
E640003 and on the back the makers number is EC202C025A-2TD

If you have one spare please mail me off list

73 and thanks

Bob G3PJT

b...@g3pjt.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Linear thoughts

[Doug Person]

I'm totally with these suggestions.  A separate power supply that can be 
positioned away from the operating desk would be, IMO, very desirable.  
An internal tuner option sounds nice.  But may be difficult as the 
components for 1500 watts get kind of big.  I think it would be very 
desirable, but may not be practical unless we are willing to accept a 
larger box.


There have been an awful lot of great suggestions.  Most important to me 
are: 2 inputs, 4 outputs.  Inputs are RF sensing. No switch selecting 
needed to transmit from transceiver A or B. Remembers band, output 
level, and antenna selection for each input.


I think a weather proof tuner is a whole other issue.  One I would like 
to see.



Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/17/2017 6:20 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:

A lot of great suggestions but two I have not seen discussed:

1)  I really like the idea of a separate power supply simply because 
if the amp has to ever go in for service or be shipped it is a lot 
easier without a heavy power supply inside the cabinet. Just send the 
RF deck to Elecraft.


2)  I like the idea of an optional INTERNAL tuner.  Makes it nice and 
clean for those that need a tuner without a rats nest of Y cables, 
etc.  If there is going to be an external tuner make it weatherproof 
so you can put it OUTSIDE.


I would love a 1.5K+ amp with a K3 type legal limit tuner I can put 
outside.




On 3/17/2017 6:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
The "KPA1500" should look, feel, and behave like a KPA500.  OK, it 
can weigh a little more but should be liftable by your average age 
ham [oldish].  If you want to sell it widely, the "KAT1500" will also 
be needed since there are a whole bunch of folks who have less than 
monoband stacks on all bands, but it needs to be either an internal 
or external option, some won't need it.


Fans should make no noise whatsoever, even on high speed.  Rated for 
100% duty cycle to accommodate RTTY, JT65, and 75 meter AM looong 
transmissions.  It shouldn't cost more than 3 times a KPA500, same 
$/watt.  It should accept higher VSWR's than the KPA500, say maybe 
3:1?  A plus would be operation on a 20A 120V circuit and/or a 
sagging generator.  Needless to say, full perfect QSK at 110 WPM, 
zero IMD, and be able to eliminate TX phase noise if used with some 
notable non-Elecraft transmitters.  An LCD display for a trapezoid 
pattern to assure linearity would be a plus but not essential since 
it's going to be perfectly linear anyway.


Very tough market to enter, and potential customers can be so very 
fickle.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

PS:  Before blood pressures rise, paragraph 2 is a feeble [very] 
attempt at some humor based on passages on this list.  A deep breath 
or two would be best.  I believe paragraph 3 is true however, and I 
really want to see Elecraft stay in business.



On Fri,3/17/2017 10:06 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Folks, if we did introduce a 1500 W solid state amp similar to our 
KPA500 in operation, what features etc would be important?




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Re: [Elecraft] Linear thoughts

[Doug Person]

In every way exactly like the KPA500 but 1500 out - full key-down.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 3/17/2017 11:06 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

Interesting discussion.

Folks, if we did introduce a 1500 W solid state amp similar to our 
KPA500 in operation, what features etc would be important?


73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade to K3S question

[Doug Person]

It is easy to do and well worth the small amount of time and the cost.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 3/11/2017 3:57 PM, g...@gmx.net wrote:

Hello list,

I've purchased a used K3 S/N in the 3ks, and plan to apply some of the 
K3S upgrade options.

Any experiences, hints or do's and don'ts to tell for me?
I'm using the K3 mainly for HF contesting, VHF with an external 
transverter and some DX chasing.

tu es 73
Gernot, DF5RF

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Support email

[Doug Person]

Bad timing I guess.

Thanks Eric.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/8/2017 5:51 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
supp...@elecraft.com was down for 5-10 minutes mid-day today for 
maintenance.


If you got a bounce message, or we have nor replied within 24 hours, 
please resend your message. (Or also, feel free to call us at 
831-763-4211.)


73,
Eric
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On 3/8/2017 2:37 PM, Doug Person wrote:

My emails to supp...@elecraft.com are bouncing.

"The response from the remote server was:

The partner did not specify the domain to relay the email"


Doug -- K0DXV

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Support email

[Doug Person]

My emails to supp...@elecraft.com are bouncing.

"The response from the remote server was:

The partner did not specify the domain to relay the email"


Doug -- K0DXV

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 IF output

[Doug Person]

Thanks! I will certainly order one.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 2/14/2017 1:26 PM, Hajo Dezelski wrote:

Hi Doug,

it works without any problems since ... I don't remember when.
But you can also buy this board with all SMT parts already soldered.
http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Products/Vk2zfadapterBest%C3%BCckt

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 IF output

[Doug Person]

That's a pretty neat little kit.  Anyone have experience with it?

Doug -- K0DXV


On 2/13/2017 6:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
The Clifton Labs Z1B was a general purpose instrumentation 
amplifier.  One version was specific for the K2 by adding a filter

The buffer amp at QRP projects is specifically designed for the K2.
See 
http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Products/Vk2zfadapter.


73,
Don W3FPR



On 2/13/2017 8:22 PM, lmarion wrote:


The Cliffton Webb unit was specifically made for K2 exact signal/clean
easy physical fit internally,
and a external  IF pass band filter for a clean signal no matter what
kind of signals
are present in your shack.
Not a area of your receiver where you want to be hacking about. Just
saying.


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Re: [Elecraft] EFHW

[Doug Person]

I am feeding my end-feds with over 100 feet of coax and they work just fine.

Doug - K0DXV


On 2/9/2017 1:21 PM, K9MA wrote:

Well said, Bill!

73,

Scott  K9MA

On 2/9/2017 10:39, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:
The reason your antenna was a lot less finicky with a bit of coax is 
that the
EFHW antenna requires a return path for the RF field. Theoretically, 
without
a return path, the antenna won't radiate at all. The recommended 
setup for
this antenna is for a .05 wavelength counterpoised to be used. EZNEC 
models

indicate that there is little benefit to going much longer than .05
wavelengths, and a quarter wavelength is actually less effective than 
the
shorter lengths.  If no counterpoise is used, then coax shield 
becomes the

counterpoise by default.

Bill  N0CU









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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Lithium Battery Video

[Doug Person]

I had a poor quality Lithium-ion pack explode with the force of dynamite 
while recharging. Shrapnel was embedded in the sheet rock 8 feet away.   
The shock wave was so intense, it ruptured my left eardrum.  I never 
considered that they could be dangerous.  Now I know by finding out the 
hard way.  The PBS show was excellent.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 2/7/2017 6:08 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Yes, saw it too, really good reporting.  There was a very good [in the 
"real engineering facts" department] article some time ago, prior to 
the Samsung debacle.  It was aimed primarily at electric vehicle 
batteries, and touched a bit on large lithium-chemistry batteries for 
the home.  Tesla's "Gigafactory" making PowerWalls and vehicle 
batteries is about 45 km from us.


It might have been in Scientific American, sadly I don't remember.  
But I do remember:


The energy density of lithium-chemistry batteries is extraordinarily 
high, and they have an almost infinitesimal internal resistance.  
Consequently, anything that shorts even part of the battery is going 
to result in extreme currents and resulting electrical and pyrotechnic 
displays.


The "secret" to safe lithium-chemistry batteries appears to be really 
good engineering and manufacturing quality control.  I've had one 
LiPoly RC battery I used with my KX1 go up in flames while I was 
calling CQ in the Spartan Sprint.  Fortunately, I was outside on the 
deck, it was externally connected via a pigtail, and I was able to 
fling it over the deck railing onto the gravel driveway.  It's 
provenance was difficult to determine, but I suspect somewhere way way 
to the west of NV.


If a lithium-chemistry battery ignites, water is not likely to put the 
fire out.  Cheap isn't always a good deal, and I'd never use one 
internal to the radio.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2017 3:19 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Yes, the PBS / NOVA program was indeed informative ... and free of
political BS 

73

K0PP

On Feb 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "k5de...@gmail.com [KX3]" <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



For anyone who would like to know why Lithium batteries can be so
dangerous I ran across this interesting video from PBS Nova. If you 
have

not seen it yet take a look. It should be worth you time.

Tim - K5DEZ


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Re: [Elecraft] EFHW

[Doug Person]

I have two EFHW antennas. One covering 40 and 20; the other 17. They are 
mounted at about 40 feet and perform equal to regular dipoles.  Feeding 
them is therefore much simpler for portable ops since only one side 
needs to be elevated.  For portable use I feed them with about 20 feet 
of RG/58a, although they can be attached directly to the radio.  I find, 
however, that a bit of coax causes them to be a lot less finicky.  They 
have been my field day and SOTA portable goto antennas for many years.  
Transformers are not difficult to construct and there are some good 
quality assembled products that are excellent.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 2/8/2017 3:41 PM, Dan Presley wrote:

Wanted to get some thoughts from folks about pros and cons of an end fed half 
wave for portable/SOTA use, as opposed to just using a random length wire with 
a counterpoise connected directly to either the KX2 or 3.(I think Eric 
recommended somewhere around 28’ depending on the band coverage).Is there any 
particular gain advantage? To me the only obvious advantage is not having to 
deploy a counterpoise-with the end fed usually the length of coax will act for 
this, and of course the need for a suitable Un-Un,usually 9:1. My preferred 
antennas these days are lightweight resonant dipoles, which is fine assuming 
you have room to erect them, and second is a magnetic loop which I’ve had good 
luck with. I use the Alexloop-very light and easy to set up;ground and height 
independent generally. But-since you never quite know what will work best I try 
to be ready for whatever comes up. I have a variety of lightweight poles to use 
with wires.  I’ve had pretty good luck with throwing a random length in a tree 
or pole with a counterpoise, usually elevated if possible.The auto tuners in 
the elecraft rigs are excellent in my book. I think over the years I’ve used a 
bunch of portable antennas except the EFHW-just curious what the advantages 
might be.

Dan Presley  N7CQR
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi

[Doug Person]

I'm a big Pi fan myself.  So if adding my voice provides any additional 
influence - here it is.  I'm also a programmer and I agree there is 
extra work involved.  If the utility was open source, then volunteers 
could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be 
happy to make a contribution.


The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable 
with each new board.  Version 3 is quite amazing.  I can hardly tell I'm 
running on a little ARM box.  It's power is the result of the advances 
in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very 
bright.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote:

Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux” statement and it never dawned 
on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a 
ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In 
both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, 
the compilation process went well, although sloow. Well, I suppose Elecraft 
doesn’t provide source for the utility, so I guess I’ve got to pull the cable off 
the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang 
it. Oh well…

Thanks for everyone’s input.

73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA



On   Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at  Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell  
wrote:

The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it 
on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for 
Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being 
mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain 
and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other 
problems.

I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do 
understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for 
another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital.

Here's hoping for the future, though.

Tim
KG1GEM

PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list 
originally.


On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote:

I’ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using 
CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and 
JT65. I’d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the 
full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar’d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft 
web site. So - now what? If I click on the “kx3util” executable, nothing 
happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian 
Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi.



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Re: [Elecraft] Weighted Knobs in K3?

[Doug Person]

Used one for years.  Never had a problem.  The encoder is not THAT 
fragile.  The extra weight is very pleasant to have.


73, Doug -- K0DXV


On 11/14/16 6:32 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:

Before I install 73inc weighted knobs on my K3S, is anybody of the opinion that 
these knobs cause long-term damage to the PTO shaft?  These knobs are quite 
heavy, compared to the factory ones.

Seems Elecraft used lightweight knobs for a reason.

Input appreciated.

73,
Ed NI6S
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Re: [Elecraft] Speakers - Optimal Frequency Range?

[Doug Person]

I definitely agree with using good quality headphones for optimal 
listening.  But, headphones are a different psycho-acoustical experience 
than a speaker system. Personally, I prefer to listen to a speaker 
system.  Headphones VS: Speaker system will be different for everyone. 
But, if you prefer speakers, i recommend decent quality components to 
give you the best your "K" brand transceiver can deliver.


Doug -- K0DXV


On 10/17/16 9:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,10/17/2016 7:56 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Of course the room in which the speaker is used has a huge effect too.


When you're sitting right in front of a loudspeaker you're in its near 
field. That causes what you hear to be dominated by direct sound from 
the loudspeaker. The loudspeaker(s) excites the room, but you're so 
close to the loudspeaker that you don't hear the room response. Most 
recording studios have a pair of high quality loudspeakers mounted on 
top of the console for exactly that purpose. They also have a larger 
pair that DOES excite the room.



I dread to think we'd require anechoic chambers for Hamshacks!


Anechoic chambers are TEST environments, they are lousy listening 
environments.


On Mon,10/17/2016 7:26 PM, Doug Person wrote:
A good audio setup will amaze you when you talk to another properly 
adjusted radio with a good microphone. 


All it takes for excellent receive sound quality is a decent pair of 
headphones. The CM500, Sony MDR7506, and Etymotic Research ER4 are 
excellent choices. There are other good choices, but these are well 
established, widely available, and not expensive. All are VERY 
comfortable for LOOONG contest weekends (although comfort in the ER4 
depends on matching the ear piece to your ear).


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Speakers - Optimal Frequency Range?

[Doug Person]

Wow Phil, right on.  My first career was a buyer for an audio chain.  I 
listened to everything they brought in.  My assistant and my secretary 
and I NEVER agreed on what system sounded best. I would think a speaker 
that is reasonably flat from 200 hz to maybe 5khz with low mechanical 
distortion and good power handling would provide a decent baseline.  
After that - your warm tones are my screeching trebles; your full bass 
is my headache- inducing low range.


I use a quality, small bookshelf speaker and then use the K3's equalizer 
to make the sound fill into the peaks and valleys of my ear's response 
curve.


$50 would probably net you a pair of small Sony, Polk, KLH, JBL or even 
Pyle. New or used - you can't beat a nice rigid box with a woofer and a 
tweeter.


Other interesting options are line-out to a Bluetooth audio source and 
then to one of the many Bluetooth wireless speaker systems.  Or to a 
small stereo hifi amplifier. The K3 has stereo line output - a nice pair 
of bookshelf speakers left and right would definitely give you the best 
sound the K3/K3s is capable of producing (especially the K3s or an 
upgraded K3).


A good audio setup will amaze you when you talk to another properly 
adjusted radio with a good microphone.  There is a very broad range in 
the quality of signals on HF SSB.  From dreadful to beautiful.  I 
recommend setting up your station for the very best receive quality your 
radio can produce - which in the case of the K3, is substantial.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 10/17/2016 4:20 PM, Phil Townsend Lontz wrote:

I have spent may years in “hi end” audio… some building some selling some just 
fooling around. Does wire matter? is there a difference between tubes and soild 
state? Can I hear 20K? does it matter if I can’t hear 20K? Why build a wide 
band amp if you can hear it?

All these questions really don't matter one bit.

The ONLY question the listener need ask…

Do I LIKE how it sounds?

That's it folks, no more no less.

Simplistic… yep sure is.

A few years back I was attending an audio show in Denver with a few “audio” 
friends. We would typically visit different rooms together and give a listen to 
the various systems in each room.
To my surprise, we all had different ideas about what system sounded good.
I like room 990 but Glen said it sucked.
He liked the system in 512 but to me it nearly drove me to drinking.
Chris loved 234 but the rest of us were sure he was ready for the funny farm.

We all “hear” differently…
I love how my K3 sounds with high end speakers left and right side... and a 
fine digital amp that drives the speakers.
I eq the crap out of the K3 after 8K and set the tone of my CW note to 440… 
Near a natural “C”.
to me that sounds easy and warm.

But to my old ears the best tone in the world was and is a fine old Drake or a 
Collins pure analog signal run thru a nice 8" alnico speaker in an open baffle.

That, to me, is simply the best.

Phil
K5SSR
Santa Fe
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[Elecraft] FS: K3 and P3

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

I'm selling my K3 and P3.  (Overwhelmed by medical bills and need a new car)

The K3 has all the upgrades (KIO3B, K3SYN3, NEOGRIP).  Also has KAT3A 
internal tuner and KPA3A 100 watt internal amplifier. Includes KDVR3 
which has not been installed and is still in original unopened bag.  
Finally, included is all needed cables, the Fred Cady K3 book and 
shipped in original factory box.  This is over $3600 if new.


The P3 includes the P3TXMON option with the DCHF-2000 directional 
coupler.  The P3 is a slight scratch on the side but is otherwise in 
perfect shape.  Screen is unblemished.  The P3 with the cables and TXMON 
is worth over $900 new.


$3300 takes all. (Worth at least $4500 if all new).  PayPal preferred 
(no extra fee, PayPal id:dxvic...@gmail.com).  Shipping extra.


Contact me off-list   Thanks -- Doug -- K0DXV


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Re: [Elecraft] PSK software with K3s

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Sure! fldigi will operate on any platform and run just about any mode 
you can imagine.  You wouldn't need MMTTY since fldigi can operate rtty 
in any mode you care to use.  It's even amazingly good at decoding cw.



Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/3/2016 1:59 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

As much as I love RTTY, I want to explore the PSK mode a bit. I have
used the internal decoder/CW keying to transmit but would like to
have a screen to copy so I don't have to be so focused on the
scrolling in the K3s.

Thanks to much great help here and good pointers, I have set the RTTY
option to AFSK A and use MMTTY. I haven't used it much but have
successfully used N1MM with the MMTTY engine successfully as well.

So with this info, is there a software to recommend that uses the
internal "audio card" of the K3s that will decode/send the PSK modes
through my K3s, that won't require much modification of the settings
in either MMTTY or N1MM for me to use it well?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Honestly, the size of the spectral display isn't as important as the 
fact that it is extremely effective.  It works.  It's all in one small 
box.  The K3/K3s - P3 and KX3/PX3 are wonderful bits of technology.  But 
their U/I's remain a fine examples of the best of 20th century design.  
Large, full color, capacitive-touch, fully reconfigurable displays are 
becoming more pervasive every day. Refrigerators have them.  Top of the 
line test equipment, remote controls on the coffee table, car dash 
boards with two or more displays, it goes on and on.


The IC-7300 is Icom's first shot at full-color touch technology. They 
pioneered the full color display and were very successful at it.  It's 
pretty clear that the Big Three have recognized the paradigm shift.  In 
a few short years everything else will look dated - because it will be.



Doug -- K0DXV



On 5/3/2016 7:43 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

The PX3 also provides a generous amount of display height for its spectral and 
waterfall displays (roughly 2x the height of the IC-7300 in its max setting, to 
use the vernacular :)

Wayne


On May 3, 2016, at 6:14 AM, James Griffith  wrote:


I sold my FT 817 to add the PX3 to my KX3. I had never used a spectrum display 
before.
But I never turn on the KX3 without the PX3 now. It is useful to see CW signals 
both
sides of the dial, and which is the strongest, and the weakest. Same for SSB. 
Just turn
the dial and move the station to the center marker and listen. I might say I 
like my
FT817, had it for years, but I just could not take the small screen in varying 
light
challenges, and my eyes getting older. So I did not have any pangs when I sold 
it. And,
after having the PX3, I never looked back.
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Re: [Elecraft] potencia

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Gracias Gustavo,

Al no ser un hablante nativo, mi español no es muy grande.

El K3 de base tiene sólo una potencia de 10 vatios. Algunas versiones de 
firmware pueden haber permitido un poco más que esto. Pero algo más de 
10 vatios es un regalo.


English: The base K3 is only rated for 10 watts.  Some firmware releases 
may have allowed a little more than this. But anything over 10 watts is 
a gift.


Saludos,

Doug - K0DXV

On 4/29/2016 4:22 PM, Gustavo V wrote:

I'll try to translate:
" I have update the firmware of my K3 and are stuck with a programing
that don't allow me transmit adobe 12W.

what could do?
"


73's
Gustavo
LU6AVM


2016-04-29 19:11 GMT-03:00 Doug Person via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>:

Hola Faber,

No estoy seguro de entender lo que está pidiendo. Puede aclarar para mí?

Gracias

Doug - K0DXV


On 4/29/2016 3:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote:

hola todos

actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programación que no me deja
subir de 12 watt la potencia

que puedo hacer

gracias

Faber Mosquera
hk6f

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Re: [Elecraft] potencia

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Hola Faber,

No estoy seguro de entender lo que está pidiendo. Puede aclarar para mí?

Gracias

Doug - K0DXV


On 4/29/2016 3:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote:

hola todos

actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programación que no me deja subir 
de 12 watt la potencia

que puedo hacer

gracias

Faber Mosquera
hk6f

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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

My thoughts on the IC-7300 after using it for several days:

1. The tuner is a lot more capable than 3:1. Much better than older Icoms.

2. Achieving correct viewing angle can almost always be corrected by a 
little Shop 101.


3. The height of the display is limited to the size of the screen and 
that by the size of the radio. That said - the screen is a wonder of 
organization of things needed to control a complex system


4. Two antenna ports, video output, receive only antenna port are all 
the things you will see in the next step-up model


5. Touch screens allow a hierarchical and updateable organization of 
functions and properties - this is a fundamental principle of user 
interface design


6. Sit down with say a TS-590SG (Same basic price) and operate for an 
hour.  Then repeat with IC-7300.  You'll instantly see a 20th century 
user interface and a 21st century user interface. The IC-7300 will blow 
you a way.  So much information at your fingertips.  The IC-7300 is a 
wonderful example of how 21st century technology pervades everything. 
(Get used to it)


Fortunately, I have two separate operating positions.  The K-Line 
occupies my main position.  Stocking the second position is always fun.  
Been through K2 (best), TS-450, IC-746, TS-590SG, FTdx-1200 (Nice rig) 
and now the IC-7300.  The 7300 leaves all the other entry level radios 
in the dust.  It has placed a strong stack in the ground of 
technological advancement and will be the pivotal product for the next 
10 to 20 years.  Just like the K2 was when it hit the market.  Even more 
like the K3 which was *truly* a pivotal product.


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Re: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Kenwood MC-50 is easy obtain new or used.  It's a convenient dynamic mic 
with adequate audio.  Any Heil mic is a good choice.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/20/2016 2:39 PM, Ron Reis wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 total loss

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Ditto that. Don is the consummate professional and has solved some of 
the most mystifying problems for me.  All while being very reasonable.


And Ditto on the Hakko desoldering  tools.  Either the 808 or the new 
FR-300 are practically worth their weight in gold.


I still use my K2 and it is still a marvelous radio.  I built 3 of 
them.  Just because they were a joy to build.  Nothing like the K2 
anywhere anymore.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/14/16 8:57 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote:

You need also a proper desoldering tool.  If still no luck, pass it to Don 
W3FPR as suggested by Wayne.  Don guided me for a number of K2 repairs in the 
past.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

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  主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K2 total loss

Hi Wayne,

Ah, ok, well... let me take another look, then. This is in the bandpass
filter so didn't know how critical this was...

Tnx es 73,
LS
W5QD



   
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Re: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

The main problem is latency.  It can affect audio spending on how it is 
buffered.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/9/2016 8:23 PM, Don Strom wrote:

Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider.

I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote 
site?

Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection.

Don W0EAR

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 12

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

The Pi and BB can indeed run Java and pretty much anything else that 
normally runs on linux.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/9/2016 1:50 PM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:

On 08/04/16 23:36, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:08:49 -0600
From: Ken G Kopp
To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net,k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Wayne and Eric:

PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are
asking
you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the
software
that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates.

I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog
opening
the pen and letting all comers mate with the females.  You would end up
with a
"contaminated" breed.

I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the 
customers

who
manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring 
them

to
the original state.  Nothing but non-profit overhead.

I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft 
product for

fear
that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft
anymore.

Perhaps I'm not understanding something ...

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP
Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc.

Hi.

It's not the internal secrets of the radios that is wanting to be 
revealed, just the ability to run the firmware maintenance utilities 
(I'd also include the XG3 tool in the list) on a non ix86 platform, 
such as the Pi.


It could be done independently, as it's trivial to intercept the data 
flowing between the PC and rig, then write from scratch something to 
do the same.   That could then be released as open source so could 
then be built (compiled) to be used on other platforms.  I'm sure 
there are some reading this list that have the skills (I don't, but I 
have looked at the serial traffic between rig and software.)


In the case of the Pi, it already runs Linux.   Plus there are already 
Linux versions of the K3/KX3 and XG3 tools, but as they are not open 
source, they can't be built to run on the ARM equipped Pi's or Beagle 
Bones by us "the paying users" of the equipment.  Shame really.


It would be relatively easy for the authors concerned to create an ARM 
compatible Linux version, but that takes time to do and importantly 
test and perfect, as there are always subtle differences to trip over, 
that and "They" don't have Pi's or BBB's in their shack's, to test on.


A "Command line" version of just the firmware up-loader tool's would 
indeed be a fine compromise for many.   Such things can always be 
wrapped in a simple GUI or desktop launcher for those who suffer 
fright of black screens and just text!  ;-)


The 64/32 bit thing is also possible to overcome, in the same way as 
x86/ARM cpu compatibility, but that does mean potentially multiple 
versions of the same tool's!


I don't know if the Pi (or BB's) can have a Java run time installed.   
If so, the Elecraft tools could be ported to Java, then that can be 
run on anything that supports a JRE.   Many many similar tools for 
other (non radio) and some Ham products are run that way.


Anyway, add my name/call to the list of "interested parties" in 
regards to Pi compatible (however done) Elecraft support tools.


73.

Dave G0WBX.



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