Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread David Cutter
Wrong use of 75/50 ohm cables is a cause of unreliability on scopes: they're 
made for 75ohm connectors and if you plug in a 50ohm plug is will eventually 
splay the centre contact and cause intermittency.

David
G3UNA

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable


 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL


 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
  Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works

 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the
 IF frequency.

 73, Jim K9YC
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Jack Smith
There seems to be confusion over 50/75 ohm connector mechanical 
compatibility.

50 and 75 ohm N connectors are not mechanically compatible as the center 
pins are different diameter--50 ohm has larger pin diameter. Over time, 
a 50 ohm N male connector can damage the 50 ohm female N and a 75 ohm N 
male may not make reliable contact with the 75 ohm female N.

However, everything I can find in terms of published dimensions, 
specifications and measured diameters says that BNC pins are of 
identical diameter in 50 and 75 ohm variants. The difference in 
impedance seems to be handled in the dielectric dimensions and material.

Many HP 75 ohm BNC connectors, for example, have no plastic dielectric 
at all in the female version--the center socket fingers have nothing 
supporting them but air.

It may be that in ye olde days of the early 1940's when the BNC was 
invented pin diameters differed, but if that was the case then, it seems 
to have vanished in the last few decades.

Jack K8ZOA


On 9/17/2012 4:19 AM, David Cutter wrote:
 Wrong use of 75/50 ohm cables is a cause of unreliability on scopes: they're
 made for 75ohm connectors and if you plug in a 50ohm plug is will eventually
 splay the centre contact and cause intermittency.

 David
 G3UNA

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable


 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL


 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the
 IF frequency.

 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Jack Smith
Error in sentence ... should say over time a 50 ohm N male connector 
can damage a 75 ohm female N connector and a 75 ohm N male may not make 
reliable contact with the 50 ohm female.

Too early in the morning.

Jack K8ZOA


On 9/17/2012 6:10 AM, Jack Smith wrote:
 There seems to be confusion over 50/75 ohm connector mechanical
 compatibility.

 50 and 75 ohm N connectors are not mechanically compatible as the center
 pins are different diameter--50 ohm has larger pin diameter. Over time,
 a 50 ohm N male connector can damage the 50 ohm female N and a 75 ohm N
 male may not make reliable contact with the 75 ohm female N.

 However, everything I can find in terms of published dimensions,
 specifications and measured diameters says that BNC pins are of
 identical diameter in 50 and 75 ohm variants. The difference in
 impedance seems to be handled in the dielectric dimensions and material.

 Many HP 75 ohm BNC connectors, for example, have no plastic dielectric
 at all in the female version--the center socket fingers have nothing
 supporting them but air.

 It may be that in ye olde days of the early 1940's when the BNC was
 invented pin diameters differed, but if that was the case then, it seems
 to have vanished in the last few decades.

 Jack K8ZOA


 On 9/17/2012 4:19 AM, David Cutter wrote:
 Wrong use of 75/50 ohm cables is a cause of unreliability on scopes: they're
 made for 75ohm connectors and if you plug in a 50ohm plug is will eventually
 splay the centre contact and cause intermittency.

 David
 G3UNA

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable


 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL


 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the
 IF frequency.

 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Jack Smith
Sent a correction out 30 minutes ago but have not seen it yet. Too early 
in the morning to get all the numbers out of my fingers onto the keyboard.

Paragraph should read:

50 and 75 ohm N connectors are not mechanically compatible as the center
pins are different diameter--50 ohm has larger pin diameter. Over time,
a 50 ohm N male connector can damage the 75 ohm female N and a 75 ohm N
male may not make reliable contact with the 50 ohm female N.

On 9/17/2012 6:10 AM, Jack Smith wrote:
 50 and 75 ohm N connectors are not mechanically compatible as the center
 pins are different diameter--50 ohm has larger pin diameter. Over time,
 a 50 ohm N male connector can damage the 50 ohm female N and a 75 ohm N
 male may not make reliable contact with the 75 ohm female N.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread David Moes
Yes there is a difference. But according to Amphenol spec sheet, Two 
distinct types of 75 Ω BNC's are available, and both mate with each 
other and with 50 Ω BNC's. the difference is in the dielectric
This I doubt will be an issue at IF frequency.

This is also backed up in the highly reliable Wikipedia article on BNC ;-)

On 9/16/2012 11:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL


 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the
 IF frequency.

 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Dave Hachadorian
I just bought this one, and it works fine.  I wiggled it like 
crazy, and there's no sign of flakiness:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180881244661ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:3160


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Joel Black
Well, to throw you all out of whack, I used the 93ohm cable. There is 
no dielectric between the pin and shield.  My micrometer will not get in 
that space very well, but it appears that the diameter is ~1.20mm.  I 
have not noticed any squirrely problems so I'll keep it there for now.

Thanks again.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 9/17/2012 6:52 AM, David Moes wrote:
 Yes there is a difference. But according to Amphenol spec sheet, Two
 distinct types of 75 Ω BNC's are available, and both mate with each
 other and with 50 Ω BNC's. the difference is in the dielectric
 This I doubt will be an issue at IF frequency.

 This is also backed up in the highly reliable Wikipedia article on BNC ;-)

 On 9/16/2012 11:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL


 On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the
 IF frequency.

 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Fred Townsend
The cable you reference is built with RG59 (75 ohm) which should put to bed
the question of whether the application must use 50 ohm.
Personally I don't want a 75 ohm cable in the shack where I might use it on
my Ant 3 (K3) connection where it will make a difference. Each to his own.
73
Fred, AE6QL

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:00 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

I just bought this one, and it works fine.  I wiggled it like crazy, and
there's no sign of flakiness:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180881244661ssPageNa
me=ADME:L:OU:US:3160


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-17 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/17/2012 10:33 AM, Fred Townsend wrote:
 Personally I don't want a 75 ohm cable in the shack where I might use it on
 my Ant 3 (K3) connection where it will make a difference. Each to his own.

There are times when 75 ohm cable is preferred, regardless of the rated 
load impedance of the rig or power amp.  A high dipole (as a fraction of 
a wavelength) is a closer match to 75 ohm cable than to 50 ohm cable. 
Excess loss in the coax due to mismatch is determined by the match 
between the antenna and the line, NOT between the rig and the coax, 
although some matching may be required at the rig to keep the output 
stage happy and transfer full power to the load. In addition, because 
the current in 75 ohm coax is one third lower for the same transmit 
power as in 50 ohm coax, 75 ohm coax of equivalent size and construction 
typically has a bit less loss than 50 ohm coax. The 80/75M band has a 
bandwidth of nearly 10%, so 75 ohm coax provides lower SWR on a high 
dipole over a greater bandwidth.

Yes, it's wise to be aware of cable impedance so that we're not 
generating mismatches by inserting cable of the wrong impedance, but 
don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. :)  I use mostly 50 ohm 
coax, but have at least 300 ft of Belden 8213 feeding my two high 80/40 
dipoles, and several resonant lengths of CATV hard line feeding my 20M 
and 15M yagis.

There are also some really neat broadband matching tricks that one can 
play with resonant lengths of 75 ohm cable. I'll be talking about that 
at Pacificon Antenna Forum next month.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-16 Thread Alan Bloom
Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
sockets on the K3 and P3.

Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
real 50-ohm cable.

Alan N1AL


On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
  Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the 
 IF frequency.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/16/2012 8:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL

Possibly, but unlikely. I've got a bunch of 75 ohm cables with BNCs on 
both ends that came from a broadcast studio when they rewired it (either 
ABC Chicago or PBS Chicago, if I recall correctly)) and they all mate 
just fine with my 50 ohm females.  Indeed, the only BNC cable I've ever 
seen that didn't work was one that came with my first P3. :)  Didn't 
bother to figure out why, just traded it for a new one.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-15 Thread Joel Black
I purchased my P3 second-hand.  I have always wondered why the IF Out to 
IF In cable was so blasted short.  I mean, it's only about 12.5 long.  
With that length, my P3 sits on the left of my K3. That would be the 
handle side of the K3.  I never could understand why that was.  Well, I 
think I have figured it out - it's not the correct cable...  Okay, 
that's fine.

I have some spare cables lying around and thought I'd give them a 
whirl.  Well, they're not 50ohm cables.  One is labeled Tensolite Style 
1354.  That is a 93ohm cable (I have no idea where I picked that up).  
The other is RG59.  I know that is 75ohm cable.  It came out of an old 
analog m/w shot from the RF shelf to the BB shelf.  In my thinking 
(which is wrong a lot of times), either should be okay. I just want my 
P3 on the right of the K3 to satisfy my OCDness...

I know I'm asking for it, but what do y'all think?

73,
Joel - W4JBB
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Joel,

You asking for nothing more than the standard cable.

I recall (don't have a P3 myself) that the stock Elecraft cable allows 
the P3 to be positioned on either side of the K3.
I would suggest that you either make up your own custom length cable or 
purchase the replacement part from Elecraft.
If you cannot find the part number in the P3 documentation, then perhaps 
Richard T. (pa...@elecraft.com) can help, but if not, then either Alan 
Bloom or Paul Saffron will be able to assist you.  There is always help 
available from Elecraft.  If not from the customer support guys, then 
from the original designers - they are quite approachable and responsive 
- but some of them do not work on weekends - so be patient until Tuesday 
(Mondays have a flood of email to sort through).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/15/2012 6:18 PM, Joel Black wrote:
 I purchased my P3 second-hand.  I have always wondered why the IF Out to
 IF In cable was so blasted short.  I mean, it's only about 12.5 long.
 With that length, my P3 sits on the left of my K3. That would be the
 handle side of the K3.  I never could understand why that was.  Well, I
 think I have figured it out - it's not the correct cable...  Okay,
 that's fine.

 I have some spare cables lying around and thought I'd give them a
 whirl.  Well, they're not 50ohm cables.  One is labeled Tensolite Style
 1354.  That is a 93ohm cable (I have no idea where I picked that up).
 The other is RG59.  I know that is 75ohm cable.  It came out of an old
 analog m/w shot from the RF shelf to the BB shelf.  In my thinking
 (which is wrong a lot of times), either should be okay. I just want my
 P3 on the right of the K3 to satisfy my OCDness...



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-15 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The seller either substituted a different cable or cut the original. 

The original cable is 36 (92 cm) long. If you want to buy an original
cable, order E980170 from parts at elecraft.com. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Joel,

You asking for nothing more than the standard cable.

I recall (don't have a P3 myself) that the stock Elecraft cable allows the
P3 to be positioned on either side of the K3.
I would suggest that you either make up your own custom length cable or
purchase the replacement part from Elecraft.
If you cannot find the part number in the P3 documentation, then perhaps
Richard T. (pa...@elecraft.com) can help, but if not, then either Alan Bloom
or Paul Saffron will be able to assist you.  There is always help available
from Elecraft.  If not from the customer support guys, then from the
original designers - they are quite approachable and responsive
- but some of them do not work on weekends - so be patient until Tuesday
(Mondays have a flood of email to sort through).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/15/2012 6:18 PM, Joel Black wrote:
 I purchased my P3 second-hand.  I have always wondered why the IF Out 
 to IF In cable was so blasted short.  I mean, it's only about 12.5 long.
 With that length, my P3 sits on the left of my K3. That would be the 
 handle side of the K3.  I never could understand why that was.  Well, 
 I think I have figured it out - it's not the correct cable...  Okay, 
 that's fine.

 I have some spare cables lying around and thought I'd give them a 
 whirl.  Well, they're not 50ohm cables.  One is labeled Tensolite 
 Style 1354.  That is a 93ohm cable (I have no idea where I picked that
up).
 The other is RG59.  I know that is 75ohm cable.  It came out of an old 
 analog m/w shot from the RF shelf to the BB shelf.  In my thinking 
 (which is wrong a lot of times), either should be okay. I just want my
 P3 on the right of the K3 to satisfy my OCDness...



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-15 Thread Vic K2VCO
Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works. My guess is that it 
will, but 
nothing will explode if it doesn't!

On 9/15/2012 3:18 PM, Joel Black wrote:
 I purchased my P3 second-hand.  I have always wondered why the IF Out to
 IF In cable was so blasted short.  I mean, it's only about 12.5 long.
 With that length, my P3 sits on the left of my K3. That would be the
 handle side of the K3.  I never could understand why that was.  Well, I
 think I have figured it out - it's not the correct cable...  Okay,
 that's fine.

 I have some spare cables lying around and thought I'd give them a
 whirl.  Well, they're not 50ohm cables.  One is labeled Tensolite Style
 1354.  That is a 93ohm cable (I have no idea where I picked that up).
 The other is RG59.  I know that is 75ohm cable.  It came out of an old
 analog m/w shot from the RF shelf to the BB shelf.  In my thinking
 (which is wrong a lot of times), either should be okay. I just want my
 P3 on the right of the K3 to satisfy my OCDness...

 I know I'm asking for it, but what do y'all think?

 73,
 Joel - W4JBB



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Vic, K2VCO
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-15 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works

Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the 
IF frequency.

73, Jim K9YC
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