Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-11 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ken Alexander-2 wrote:
 
 OK, this is SLOWLY starting to come together for me (as most things do). 
 I see they also sell the interface with the Voip feature included.  Is
 that Voip connection going to be good enough to use PSK-31?  I guess
 that'll depend on the quality of the connection.  The big question is how
 do I send CW?
 
It will depend to an extent on the codecs (audio compressors) used. But
people have decoded the PSK31 from the remote online receivers (e.g. the
ones in Holland) and they will be using compressed audio for sure. What the
IMD would be like from PSK31 transmitted over a VoIP link is something that
needs further investigation.

But actually the K3 uniquely has a solution that avoids any such problems,
because it has PSK D and FSK D modes that generate PSK31 and RTTY from
computer commands (KY command) so you don't need a sound card at all. You
can do this with KComm now (and it solves the problem of how you send CW,
too.) All it needs (hint, hint) is a command that allows KComm to get the
decoded text back from the K3 without disabling all CAT operation.

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-11 Thread Julian, G4ILO


chen dave wrote:
 
 any way, I can use wireless network to control my K3 even I am on bed. :)
 

I do the same (I have back trouble, sometimes sitting at a desk causes pain)
but using Remote Desktop and IP-Sound.

It seems to me that there is little to gain from using the Ethernet to
Serial solutions being discussed unless you can eliminate the PC at the
remote end altogether. Remote Desktop over a virtual private network is
standard technology and relatively easy to get going. It should not be ruled
out as a solution without good reason.

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Bunting
Folks,

you might like to look at www.remoterig.com for an alternative. This is 
not designed for the K2/3, but does two serial port servers so you get 
rig control and, for example rotator control as well as VOIP. The are 
quite expensive but I am just starting to get to grips with mine
73
Steve
M0BPQ
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:00:52 -0800, Lyle Johnson wrote:

See  URL:http://new.remoterig.com/en/index.htm 

Their solution includes data and audio over Ethernet.  They also mention 
support for CW.

K6VVA has been using this product for his remote base on a remote mountaintop 
for contesting for several months. He's been quite pleased, at least up to 
now. 

73, 

Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Lee Buller


Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I am 
not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming might 
be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

Lee
K0WA


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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Zilmer
I'm using one of these
http://search.bb-elec.com/?s=q=ES1A
with no problem.

Enet / Serial is not as fast as USB / Serial however.

Good Luck and 73,
matt W6NIA
K3 #24


On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:41:20 -0800 (PST), you wrote:



Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I 
am not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming 
might be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

Lee
K0WA


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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Jim Brown
Interesting. BB is a very good vendor. Have you tried this sending 
CW on DTR and/or PTT on RTS?

Jim K9YC

I'm using one of these
http://search.bb-elec.com/?s=q=ES1A
with no problem.




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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Ken Alexander
Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
here about them.

http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=56Itemid=56

73 - Ken




--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Lee Buller k...@swbell.net wrote:

From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:41 PM



Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?  I am 
not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.  Programming might 
be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

Lee
K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Jim Brown
The Glentek website needs some work. It's harder than it should be to figure 
out what this stuff 
does and what it costs. 

On the other hand, the BB site lists another very interesting Ethernet to 
RS232 product. Only $99, 
it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact that it runs on 12VDC 
makes it easy to 
power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software compatibility is 
listed for W2K, XP, and 
Vista. 

http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf

One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher RF emissions). 

There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably nothing a wall wart for 
240V and EU/UK plug).

73,

Jim K9YC

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander wrote:

Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
here about them.

http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=56Itemid=56



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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread wb5tuf
I have used Digiport products in commercial applications and they work great.

I haven't tried them for rig control.

http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/portserverii.jsp#overview


Glenn

-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
Sent: Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM
To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

The Glentek website needs some work. It's harder than it should be to figure 
out what this stuff 
does and what it costs. 

On the other hand, the BB site lists another very interesting Ethernet to 
RS232 product. Only $99, 
it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact that it runs on 
12VDC makes it easy to 
power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software compatibility is 
listed for W2K, XP, and 
Vista. 

http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf

One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher RF emissions). 

There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably nothing a wall wart for 
240V and EU/UK plug).

73,

Jim K9YC

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander wrote:

Interesting.  I just found out about these the other day and was about to ask 
here about them.

http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=56Itemid=56



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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Ken Alexander
There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is selling 
them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like a good 
idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek or not.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955

They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough about 
network communication to make the thing work.

73 - Ken


--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
 To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:28 PM
 The Glentek website needs some work.
 It's harder than it should be to figure out what this stuff
 
 does and what it costs. 
 
 On the other hand, the BB site lists another very
 interesting Ethernet to RS232 product. Only $99, 
 it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact
 that it runs on 12VDC makes it easy to 
 power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software
 compatibility is listed for W2K, XP, and 
 Vista. 
 
 http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf
 
 One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher
 RF emissions). 
 
 There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably
 nothing a wall wart for 240V and EU/UK plug).
 
 73,
 
 Jim K9YC
 
 On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander
 wrote:
 
 Interesting.  I just found out about these the
 other day and was about to ask here about them.
 
 http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=56Itemid=56
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ken Alexander-2 wrote:
 
 There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is
 selling them. 
 
 They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me. 
 Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough
 about network communication to make the thing work.
 
 

Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I don't know why they
didn't go the whole hog and use one with a built-in sound card so you could
have two-way audio streaming as well. Perhaps next year's model will do
that...

-
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* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ken,

If you already have a home network set up, adding another ethernet 
device is like 'falling off a log' - just plug and play, and you can 
access it from anywhere on the network.  Setup will through a browser, 
but once the device is configured, it should look just like any other 
'computer' or device on the network.  Whether it is usable or not 
depends on your software application - if it can send through a TCP/IP 
connection, then it can access the device (and the K3), but if the 
application only supports serial communication, you are out of luck.

If you do not have a home network (assuming you have more than one 
computer), you might want to try setting up a network between the 
computers first to get some experience with how that is done - it is not 
hard, but there is a learning curve for the uninitiated.

73,
Don W3FPR

Ken Alexander wrote:
 There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is 
 selling them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like 
 a good idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek 
 or not.

 http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955

 They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
 Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough 
 about network communication to make the thing work.

 73 - Ken
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:12:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00), wb5...@earthlink.net
wrote:

If you already have a home network for Windows computers you can run
any rig control software remotely using Remote Desk Top.  I use it to
access the computers and servers on my network here at home.

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

I have used Digiport products in commercial applications and they work great.

I haven't tried them for rig control.

http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/portserverii.jsp#overview


Glenn

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread David Gilbert

The eBay seller is shown as WA9MVZ and QRZ.com says he is now KS9O, 
Frederick Glenn.  That sure sounds like it would be Glentek.

He sounds pretty busy, but I suspect that an email to him would get 
answers to any questions.

73,
Dave   AB7E



Ken Alexander wrote:
 There seems to be more information on this EBay page where somebody is 
 selling them.  That's where I first noticed them, and thought it seemed like 
 a good idea to not require a computer.  I don't know if the seller is Glentek 
 or not.

 http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAN-Internet-Remote-for-ICOM-Elecraft-KENWOOD-YAESU_W0QQitemZ250511870293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53abc955

 They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which appeals to me.  
 Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think I know enough 
 about network communication to make the thing work.

 73 - Ken


 --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

   
 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
 To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:28 PM
 The Glentek website needs some work.
 It's harder than it should be to figure out what this stuff

 does and what it costs. 

 On the other hand, the BB site lists another very
 interesting Ethernet to RS232 product. Only $99, 
 it runs on 12VDC. While a wall wart is included, the fact
 that it runs on 12VDC makes it easy to 
 power from a typical ham station that runs on 12V. Software
 compatibility is listed for W2K, XP, and 
 Vista. 

 http://www.bb-elec.com/bb-elec/literature/ESP211-232-xx-2509ds.pdf

 One caution -- it's listed as FCC Part 15 Class A (higher
 RF emissions). 

 There's also a version for EU and UK power (probably
 nothing a wall wart for 240V and EU/UK plug).

 73,

 Jim K9YC

 On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:39 -0800 (PST), Ken Alexander
 wrote:

 
 Interesting.  I just found out about these the
   
 other day and was about to ask here about them.

 
 http://www.glentekcorp.com/index.php/index2.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=56Itemid=56
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I don't 
 know why they didn't go the whole hog and use one with a 
 built-in sound card so you could have two-way audio streaming 
 as well.

No, it's not an embedded computer.  It is a board level Ethernet 
to Serial module mounted to a purpose built motherboard that 
provides the power and transceiver interface circuits for amateur 
use.  

He does offer another product that includes a VoIP interface 
that will link the mic and speaker to the Ethernet router in 
the same box as the Ethernet to Serial interface.  That's most 
of the way there ... though you would still need to use soft-
ware like HRD to TRX Manager to control the transceiver and 
need to be able to reflect the VoIP to a soundcard for digital 
modes.  

There are similar Ethernet to USB devices (uBOX series) that 
will handle either sound or control but not both in the same 
interface.  The problem with USB interfaces is that the standards 
for data and multimedia do not coexist well on a single device
(Ethernet to USB) because of the differences in data rates, 
packet sizes, etc. and problems packing that data in IP.  
BTW, microHAM have investigated remoting microKEYER II 
and MK2R+ using the uBOX but the mixed media issues are not 
something that can be overcome at this time.  Again, one would 
need two interfaces and a router to stand a reasonable chance 
of making everything work. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:35 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
 
 
 
 
 
 Ken Alexander-2 wrote:
  
  There seems to be more information on this EBay page where 
 somebody is 
  selling them.
  
  They seem to be targeting their device to amateurs, which 
 appeals to 
  me.
  Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I don't think 
 I know enough
  about network communication to make the thing work.
  
  
 
 Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I don't 
 know why they didn't go the whole hog and use one with a 
 built-in sound card so you could have two-way audio streaming 
 as well. Perhaps next year's model will do that...
 
 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
 * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
 * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
 * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Ken Alexander
OK, this is SLOWLY starting to come together for me (as most things do).  I see 
they also sell the interface with the Voip feature included.  Is that Voip 
connection going to be good enough to use PSK-31?  I guess that'll depend on 
the quality of the connection.  The big question is how do I send CW?

73 - Ken


--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
 To: 'Julian, G4ILO' julian.g4...@gmail.com, elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 2:28 AM
 
 
  Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I
 don't 
  know why they didn't go the whole hog and use one with
 a 
  built-in sound card so you could have two-way audio
 streaming 
  as well.
 
 No, it's not an embedded computer.  It is a board
 level Ethernet 
 to Serial module mounted to a purpose built motherboard
 that 
 provides the power and transceiver interface circuits for
 amateur 
 use.  
 
 He does offer another product that includes a VoIP
 interface 
 that will link the mic and speaker to the Ethernet router
 in 
 the same box as the Ethernet to Serial interface. 
 That's most 
 of the way there ... though you would still need to use
 soft-
 ware like HRD to TRX Manager to control the transceiver and
 
 need to be able to reflect the VoIP to a soundcard for
 digital 
 modes.  
 
 There are similar Ethernet to USB devices (uBOX series)
 that 
 will handle either sound or control but not both in the
 same 
 interface.  The problem with USB interfaces is that
 the standards 
 for data and multimedia do not coexist well on a single
 device
 (Ethernet to USB) because of the differences in data rates,
 
 packet sizes, etc. and problems packing that data in
 IP.  
 BTW, microHAM have investigated remoting microKEYER II 
 and MK2R+ using the uBOX but the mixed media issues are
 not 
 something that can be overcome at this time.  Again,
 one would 
 need two interfaces and a router to stand a reasonable
 chance 
 of making everything work. 
 
 73, 
 
    ... Joe, W4TV 
  
 
 
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  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
 On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO
  Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:35 PM
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
  
  
  
  
  
  Ken Alexander-2 wrote:
   
   There seems to be more information on this EBay
 page where 
  somebody is 
   selling them.
   
   They seem to be targeting their device to
 amateurs, which 
  appeals to 
   me.
   Trouble is, if it's designed for hams or not, I
 don't think 
  I know enough
   about network communication to make the thing
 work.
   
   
  
  Hmm. It's probably some sort of embedded computer. I
 don't 
  know why they didn't go the whole hog and use one with
 a 
  built-in sound card so you could have two-way audio
 streaming 
  as well. Perhaps next year's model will do that...
  
  -
  Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
  * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
  * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
  * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread Lyle Johnson
See  URL:http://new.remoterig.com/en/index.htm 

Their solution includes data and audio over Ethernet.  They also mention 
support for CW.

I've never tried the product, but it looks intriguing...

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread K8TB
Lyle,

I have tried out a pair of these, and hope to have them in service 
real soon. A pair of boxes is around $ 400 US, and has bi-directional 
audio, two (2) sets of rs-232 and built in PTT contact closure. That 
dedicated PTT is very nice as with most remote base operations you have 
to keep clicking on the PTT buttons on the remote screen to assert PTT. 
I prefer a hand or foot switch.
I have a K3 that sits about 14 miles away from my house, that is the 
highest point around, just for a 6 meter ssb remote base. I have a M2 5 
element beam up 40 feet, and that hill puts that antenna 350 feet above 
my head. I use HRD and TRX for remote control.

With the RemoteRig box, (each box is the size of a packet TNC), you 
do not really need a PC at the remote site. I still will, as I decode 
the digital signals there (FSK411/wsjt etc). Once I have the boxes in 
place, I will report more on them. But the price/benefit ratio is very 
good.  And they work very well with the K3, which is the important part!

Lyle Johnson wrote:
 See  URL:http://new.remoterig.com/en/index.htm 

 Their solution includes data and audio over Ethernet.  They also mention 
 support for CW.

 I've never tried the product, but it looks intriguing...

 73,

 Lyle KK7P
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter

2009-12-10 Thread chen dave
Hello Lee,
   I use Ethernet to Serial converter in home. it works. But still have
several problem:
1, DTR RTS always HIGH, so I can't use  it control CW/PTT --- maybe I should
try another model.
2, You can use LP-bridge to share that com port, if your program all on one
computer. --- But I want to put some program on desktop computer, others on
my laptop.
3, Ethernet to Serial converter can work on socket mode(TCP or UDP), on this
mode it can accept up to 6 client at same time, but we need more ham
application program support to use TCP/IP (not the com port).

any way, I can use wireless network to control my K3 even I am on bed. :)

73 de ba4rf, Dave


2009/12/11 Lee Buller k...@swbell.net



 Has anyone played around with an Ethernet to Serial Converter and the K3?
 I am not sure how it would interface, but there are such devices.
 Programming might be a challenge, but you could give your K3 and IP address

 Lee
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