Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-06 Thread Kenneth A. Christiansen
wayne burdick wrote:

  
  All RTTY issues noted, Dave -- thanks.
  
  Congratulations on your excellent showing!
  
  Wayne
  N6KR

I use the 200 hz filter on RTTY all the time including
the ARRL RTTY Round UP.
I set up my 200 hz filter as a 300 hz filter in the
config menu.
I used DATA A and 1500 hz with the PWR setting
cut back to about 40 watts which gave me about
80 watts on the meter but it seemed to work well
for me until the power issue is fixed.
I used MIXW and set up F12 to
ALIGN:1505
CATCMD:k31;fw0030;k30;
SPZOOM:4
Then I set up F8 to
CLEARTXWINDOWCLEARRXWINDOWCLEARQSO
CATCMD:k31;fw4000;k30;
SPZOOM:2
and F4 to
SAVEQSOCLEARTXWINDOW
CATCMD:k31;fw4000;k30;
SPZOOM:2
I have the 6 khz filter and could click on any
signal in the wide spectrum than hit F12 and
work them. The program even marks the
stations I have already worked in RED on
the water fall.
I set up F1 to call and f2 to exchange.
I am not much of a contester and only put
in a few hours for a total of 58 contacts but
the people I worked did not know that.If
I had put in more time I know I could have done
much better.
73 and hope this works well for other people.
Ken
W0CZ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Yep, contests are much more important than gentlemen's 
 agreements and courtesy these days. (IMHO)

Oh, please spare us the holier than thou attitudes.  The 
gentlemen's agreements and bandplans on 40 meters have 
recognized RTTY use of 7030-7060 (+/- on both ends) for 
contests and international QSOs for at least 30 years. 

There is more than enough CW spectrum both above (as high 
as 7125) and below the area used on only a few weekends 
a year by RTTY contests. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  



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 On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:18:52 -0700, you wrote:
 
 So THAT's why there was RTTY all over the CW portion of 40 meters. 
 Contests - gotta love 'em LOL
  
 - Keith N1AS -
 - K3 711 -
 [snip]
 
 Yep, contests are much more important than gentlemen's 
 agreements and courtesy these days. (IMHO)
 
 Tom Hinson Childers, N5GE
 
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 Mini-Modules
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread wayne burdick
All RTTY issues noted, Dave -- thanks.

Congratulations on your excellent showing!

Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

 My pair of K3's also worked well in the RTTY Roundup - 1800
 qso's. There are only a couple of issues that I saw:

 1. On each transition between mark/space, there is a brief
 upward power excursion. One of my amplifiers has an LED
 wattmeter, and one of the LED's was blinking like crazy.
 Also, the screen current on that amp was varying
 significantly. I've complained about this in the past.
 Elecraft is supposed to be working on it.

 2. When you reduce the DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz, it is not
 possible for me to get the audio output exactly centered
 between the RTTY modem's mark and space detector. The SHIFT
 control is too coarse. One click of the SHIFT control moves
 the audio either slightly left of center, or slightly right
 of center. It would be nice if there were a fine mode
 setting for the SHIFT control.

 I can live with both of these issues, but fixing them would
 make this rig absolutely perfect for RTTY, at least for me.

 Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
 Yuma, AZ


 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
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 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:56 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP



 Ladies and Gents

 I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in
 only 17 hours of on-the-air time. The K3 was spectacular in
 performance. The RX is magnificent and copied signals that I
 could not hear out of the speaker but printed on the screen.
 This happened many times. From Kansas, I did get to work
 some deep Europeans and even Israel called me. I did not
 hear any Russian stations at all. The DX was weak but
 workable. Magnificent RX. The TX was healthing and robust. I
 was running my amp so I was only running about 60 watts or
 less. The TX stayed cool and stable.

 The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and
 off...the power would drop about 200 watts. No big deal, but
 interesting phenomonon. With the Dual PB on...the power
 would drop...with it off...the power would return to normal.
 Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

 Thanks to all who worked me. Fun contest.

 Lee - K0WA


 In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short
 supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some
 Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common
 Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.
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[Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Tim
I only have had a handful of RTTY contacts since getting my K3/10 (# 0430).
Did play in the RTTY Round Up for a few hours.  Cranked it down to 1 watt (I
don't know why I keep doing that!) and worked 74 Qs and 31 Mults.  Even
worked Lee in KS (who bagged over 1K Qs! ) Like Dave, I programmed two CW
memories (no [external] computer) and let her rip for search and pounce.
Even worked  LU, JA, XE, P4 plus several states.  That was fun!  Antenna, by
the way, was my lame 88' dipole with one leg kind of vertical and fed with
450 ohm ladder-line.

Did notice, espcially on 40m yesterday afternoon, that there were solid RTTY
sigs from 7.000 - 7.100 MHz.  Guess it's the WARC bands if you're looking
for a CW ragchew.  I do hear some of the digital guys complaining about CW
contests on different weekends though so I guess we get to trade a bit.

72,

Tim K5OI
Ruidoso, NM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Yarnes
Unfortunately, the amount of CW activity that I heard didn't come close to 
filling up the amount of available space below where the RTTY folks were 
operating.

Dave W7AQK


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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP


 On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:18:52 -0700, you wrote:

So THAT's why there was RTTY all over the CW portion of 40 meters.
Contests - gotta love 'em LOL

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -
 [snip]

 Yep, contests are much more important than gentlemen's agreements and 
 courtesy
 these days. (IMHO)

 Tom Hinson Childers, N5GE

 K3 #806, XV144, XV432
 Mini-Modules

 http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE
 http://www.n5ge.com
 http://www.swotrc.net

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Guy, K2AV

Changing SHIFT and WIDTH granularity to 10 Hz from 50 would improve CW
useability as well.  

A lot of us have formed contest operating habits and tactics based on analog
SHIFT and WIDTH functions. Like a combination of a small shift and
(sometimes) a lesser width change to put someone up or down just a bit
farther down the passband and keep the same skirt frequency on the opposite
side of the passband.

73, Guy


wayne burdick wrote:
 
 All RTTY issues noted, Dave -- thanks.
 
 Congratulations on your excellent showing!
 
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
 
 My pair of K3's also worked well in the RTTY Roundup - 1800
 qso's. There are only a couple of issues that I saw:

 1. On each transition between mark/space, there is a brief
 upward power excursion. One of my amplifiers has an LED
 wattmeter, and one of the LED's was blinking like crazy.
 Also, the screen current on that amp was varying
 significantly. I've complained about this in the past.
 Elecraft is supposed to be working on it.

 2. When you reduce the DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz, it is not
 possible for me to get the audio output exactly centered
 between the RTTY modem's mark and space detector. The SHIFT
 control is too coarse. One click of the SHIFT control moves
 the audio either slightly left of center, or slightly right
 of center. It would be nice if there were a fine mode
 setting for the SHIFT control.

 I can live with both of these issues, but fixing them would
 make this rig absolutely perfect for RTTY, at least for me.

 Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
 Yuma, AZ


 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:56 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP



 Ladies and Gents

 I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in
 only 17 hours of on-the-air time. The K3 was spectacular in
 performance. The RX is magnificent and copied signals that I
 could not hear out of the speaker but printed on the screen.
 This happened many times. From Kansas, I did get to work
 some deep Europeans and even Israel called me. I did not
 hear any Russian stations at all. The DX was weak but
 workable. Magnificent RX. The TX was healthing and robust. I
 was running my amp so I was only running about 60 watts or
 less. The TX stayed cool and stable.

 The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and
 off...the power would drop about 200 watts. No big deal, but
 interesting phenomonon. With the Dual PB on...the power
 would drop...with it off...the power would return to normal.
 Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

 Thanks to all who worked me. Fun contest.

 Lee - K0WA


 In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short
 supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some
 Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common
 Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.
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[Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Lee Buller

Ladies and Gents

I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in only 17 hours of 
on-the-air time.  The K3 was spectacular in performance.  The RX is magnificent 
and copied signals that I could not hear out of the speaker but printed on the 
screen.  This happened many times.  From Kansas, I did get to work some deep 
Europeans and even Israel called me.  I did not hear any Russian stations at 
all.  The DX was weak but workable.  Magnificent RX.  The TX was healthing and 
robust.  I was running my amp so I was only running about 60 watts or less.  
The TX stayed cool and stable.

The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and off...the power would 
drop about 200 watts.  No big deal, but interesting phenomonon.  With the Dual 
PB on...the power would drop...with it off...the power would return to normal.  
Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

Thanks to all who worked me.  Fun contest.

Lee - K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Yarnes
Lee and All,

I tinkered with the contest for a couple of hours too.  I used a pretty spartan 
setup though--just the K3 with a couple of programmed memories--no computer.  I 
set the power to about 60 watts, and was knocking them off pretty well too.  I 
know I need to get set up a little more substantially for RTTY, but I was just 
playing around.  Anyway, it was a hoot, and the K3 did great.  The versatility 
of the K3 sure makes it a lot of fun to own.

Dave W7AQK


  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Buller 
  To: Elecraft Reflector 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:56 AM
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP



Ladies and Gents

I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in only 17 
hours of on-the-air time.  The K3 was spectacular in performance.  The RX is 
magnificent and copied signals that I could not hear out of the speaker but 
printed on the screen.  This happened many times.  From Kansas, I did get to 
work some deep Europeans and even Israel called me.  I did not hear any Russian 
stations at all.  The DX was weak but workable.  Magnificent RX.  The TX was 
healthing and robust.  I was running my amp so I was only running about 60 
watts or less.  The TX stayed cool and stable.

The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and off...the 
power would drop about 200 watts.  No big deal, but interesting phenomonon.  
With the Dual PB on...the power would drop...with it off...the power would 
return to normal.  Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

Thanks to all who worked me.  Fun contest.

Lee - K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If 
you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you 
can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common 
Sense. Is Common Sense divine? 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Joe Planisky
I agree that finer steps to SHIFT would be nice, but until then,  
wouldn't it be possible to center the audio using RIT?

73
--
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
 2. When you reduce the DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz, it is not
 possible for me to get the audio output exactly centered
 between the RTTY modem's mark and space detector. The SHIFT
 control is too coarse. One click of the SHIFT control moves
 the audio either slightly left of center, or slightly right
 of center. It would be nice if there were a fine mode
 setting for the SHIFT control.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Darwin, Keith
So THAT's why there was RTTY all over the CW portion of 40 meters.
Contests - gotta love 'em LOL
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -



I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in only 17
hours of on-the-air time.   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Mike Cox

Roger that regarding shift and width granularity!

I had great success (for me) in RU using my 200 Hz 5 pole filter with 
the DSP width set at 200 Hz and moving the filter offset frequency (FLx 
FRQ) about 30 Hz from normal to center up the passband while looking at 
band noise with MMTTY. I used 1275 Hz Mark frequency. DSP LO was 1.3 KHz 
and HI was 1.5 KHz. Moving the filter offset allowed both mark and space 
signals to come through at similar amplitudes. If the DSP resolution 
below a few hundred Hz would switch to 10 Hz resolution, it would be a 
real help and should probably alleviate jockeying the filter offset. In 
my case sensitivity might improve a bit, too since my mark frequency was 
25 Hz outside of the stated DSP passband! With 10 Hz resolution,  the 
DSP could be set something like 1260 through 1460 Hz. (or whatever 
produces the best looking response in the desired audio passband) 
without tweeking FLx FRQ.  At any rate, even with 50 Hz granularity this 
setup allowed me substantially better copy of weak TTY signals in a 
crowded band than did the DUAL PB in the more conventional manner (while 
using MMTTY). The radio performed flawlessly for me in my first RTTY 
Roundup (Single Op, Low power, 530 Q's, 56 Sec,  35 countries, all SP). 
The radio was run in the FSK D mode with data decoding always running.


Incidentally, my fancy new LCD computer monitor uses a capacitance touch 
power switch which would frequently turn off the monitor when I was 
transmitting on certain bands (40 or 20). But I never lost a Q because 
of this because I could always copy the RTTY on my K3 decoder display 
and would occasionally grab the paddles to send if the stations call had 
not yet been entered in the logging program (N1MM). It always took a few 
seconds for the monitor to reinitialize once I was able to turn it back 
on though it seemed much longer than that in the contest. My next ham 
radio task may be modifying this monitor.


73,
Mike

Guy, K2AV wrote:

Changing SHIFT and WIDTH granularity to 10 Hz from 50 would improve CW
useability as well.  


A lot of us have formed contest operating habits and tactics based on analog
SHIFT and WIDTH functions. Like a combination of a small shift and
(sometimes) a lesser width change to put someone up or down just a bit
farther down the passband and keep the same skirt frequency on the opposite
side of the passband.

73, Guy


wayne burdick wrote:
  

All RTTY issues noted, Dave -- thanks.

Congratulations on your excellent showing!

Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:



My pair of K3's also worked well in the RTTY Roundup - 1800
qso's. There are only a couple of issues that I saw:

1. On each transition between mark/space, there is a brief
upward power excursion. One of my amplifiers has an LED
wattmeter, and one of the LED's was blinking like crazy.
Also, the screen current on that amp was varying
significantly. I've complained about this in the past.
Elecraft is supposed to be working on it.

2. When you reduce the DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz, it is not
possible for me to get the audio output exactly centered
between the RTTY modem's mark and space detector. The SHIFT
control is too coarse. One click of the SHIFT control moves
the audio either slightly left of center, or slightly right
of center. It would be nice if there were a fine mode
setting for the SHIFT control.

I can live with both of these issues, but fixing them would
make this rig absolutely perfect for RTTY, at least for me.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


- Original Message -
From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP



Ladies and Gents

I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in
only 17 hours of on-the-air time. The K3 was spectacular in
performance. The RX is magnificent and copied signals that I
could not hear out of the speaker but printed on the screen.
This happened many times. From Kansas, I did get to work
some deep Europeans and even Israel called me. I did not
hear any Russian stations at all. The DX was weak but
workable. Magnificent RX. The TX was healthing and robust. I
was running my amp so I was only running about 60 watts or
less. The TX stayed cool and stable.

The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and
off...the power would drop about 200 watts. No big deal, but
interesting phenomonon. With the Dual PB on...the power
would drop...with it off...the power would return to normal.
Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

Thanks to all who worked me. Fun contest.

Lee - K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short
supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some
Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common
Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.
Is Common Sense divine

Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Hachadorian
My pair of K3's also worked well in the RTTY Roundup - 1800 
qso's. There are only a couple of issues that I saw:

1. On each transition between mark/space, there is a brief 
upward power excursion. One of my amplifiers has an LED 
wattmeter, and one of the LED's was blinking like crazy. 
Also, the screen current on that amp was varying 
significantly. I've complained about this in the past. 
Elecraft is supposed to be working on it.

2. When you reduce the DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz, it is not 
possible for me to get the audio output exactly centered 
between the RTTY modem's mark and space detector. The SHIFT 
control is too coarse. One click of the SHIFT control moves 
the audio either slightly left of center, or slightly right 
of center. It would be nice if there were a fine mode 
setting for the SHIFT control.

I can live with both of these issues, but fixing them would 
make this rig absolutely perfect for RTTY, at least for me.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP



Ladies and Gents

I just about cleared a thousand Qs this weekend in the RU in 
only 17 hours of on-the-air time. The K3 was spectacular in 
performance. The RX is magnificent and copied signals that I 
could not hear out of the speaker but printed on the screen. 
This happened many times. From Kansas, I did get to work 
some deep Europeans and even Israel called me. I did not 
hear any Russian stations at all. The DX was weak but 
workable. Magnificent RX. The TX was healthing and robust. I 
was running my amp so I was only running about 60 watts or 
less. The TX stayed cool and stable.

The only issue I noticed was that between Dual PB on and 
off...the power would drop about 200 watts. No big deal, but 
interesting phenomonon. With the Dual PB on...the power 
would drop...with it off...the power would return to normal. 
Wayne and Eric already know about this issue.

Thanks to all who worked me. Fun contest.

Lee - K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short 
supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some 
Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common 
Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. 
Is Common Sense divine?





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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Tom
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:18:52 -0700, you wrote:

So THAT's why there was RTTY all over the CW portion of 40 meters.
Contests - gotta love 'em LOL
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -
[snip]

Yep, contests are much more important than gentlemen's agreements and courtesy
these days. (IMHO)

Tom Hinson Childers, N5GE

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Guy Olinger, K2AV
From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org

I agree that finer steps to SHIFT would be nice, but until then,
 wouldn't it be possible to center the audio using RIT?

So far as the audio passband one hears, the RIT is no different than the 
main tuning knob.  If one is mainly hearing 2150 to 2450 with a 300 hz 
filter, and you are trying to receive 2125 and 2295 changing the RIT to get 
those tones will still put the 2100 on the filter skirts.  Only the shift 
will move the heard audio passband down to center around the standard tones.

On a run frequency, one usually locks the TX frequency, and adjusts 
shift/width of passband for the regular listening width and centering, 
saving RIT for listening only for temporary excursions to someone who calls 
really high or low.  Contest programs can reset RIT when a QSO is logged. 
They will not change shift. RIT is expected to be temporary per QSO. Shift 
is considered a manual adjustment that the program leaves alone.

73, Guy.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: The ARRL RTTY Round UP

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Agsten
Tom,

Yep, contests are much more important than gentlemen's agreements and courtesy
these days. (IMHO) 

Unfortunately, you are correct. Thankfully there are still some CW only 
segments to keep all the SSB contest stations at least a little way away.

73,
Dave N8AG




  
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