Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
I got over 11M operation shortly after gaining my amateur licence and it surprises me that 11M operators would want to spend the money on a K3 when there is a plethora of gear around that is still easy to 'open' up at a fraction of the cost of a K3. In VK, 11M operations appear to be concentrated on 27.355 LSB and 27.555USB and I wonder just how many of these operators would even consider a K3 given the price tag. As for any 'double standard' it should be made a compliance rule that ALL amateur gear be made extremely difficult to convert IF that is what the authorities want. The regulator in VK appears to be not interested in CB but rather in upping the cost to become an amateur and licence renewal fees and chasing the commercial dollars. Enforcement activities seem to be off their 'Radar' at the moment. The language you here on CB down under would embarrass even a truck driver. (OH, I was one of the drivers who avoided 11M CB) We have an 'outback' HF service which requires SelCall ID fitted to all radios and NO amateur rig meets with their approval so to open up a K3 to TX on these frequencies is an exercise in futility these days. Each of us has a differing opinion it seems which is OK with me at least. 73's Gary On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, juergen plebia...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jeff A weird policy really since the K3 is neither type accepted for MARS, NTIA, aeronautical or the maritime service. Its double standards saying on the one hand that its ok to use the K3 on one particular HF service even though its it illegal, then go onto say that it wont be allowed on the CB service. To me it does not matter since I use a TS480HX and its IMD performance at 100 watts meets spectral purity standards for all HF services at 100 watts of output. The TS480HX is good radio at 100 watts of output. I use my 480HX in both my sailing and flying hobbies and it works great. At least if you wanted to stand on the high moral ground, out of band transmission on any non amateur band on the K3 should not be allowed. You at least would have some credibility on the issue. 73 John --- On Sat, 12/25/10, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF vk4bof.elecr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF vk4bof.elecr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting? To: DM7ZQ 73...@gmx.net, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 9:03 PM Benjamin, Speaking from experience, the 'wideband' software 'tool' will indeed allow the K3 to transmit outside of most bands but operation on 27MHz is still recieve only even after the usage of said software 'tool'. Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD, Australia Elecraft K3# 4257 - Original Message - From: DM7ZQ To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting? Hello Elecrafters, merry christmas, how can i tune my Elecraft K3 to transmit on ´wide band coverage´ e.g. 11m Band? I know, i need an Software plug-in!? How can i get this? Thanks for a short answer, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Mods-for-wide-band-transmiting-tp5866670p5866670.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
- Original Message - From: DM7ZQ Thanks for a short answer, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ Please note that the original poster is not under FCC jusrisdiction. Not even close, so FCC certificated issues and other restrictions do not apply. Merry Christmas. 73, de Nate N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Good evening, sorry for my ´lowbrow´ question. I do not want to do anything illegal! Some friends have told them and I wanted to ask the reflector to learn more about this. Please excuse - my english is not very fine. Close this question now, it´s done. Vy 73 and thanks for the many answers. Best regards, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Mods-for-wide-band-transmiting-tp5866670p5868157.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Benjamin, If you are referring to ESSB mode, the K3 already includes it, you only need to 6 kHz filter. That filter will also allow you to transmit AM with the K3. If you want FM too, you need the 15 kHz filter. These are all generated in the K3 DSP, no hardware mods to add these modes. The K3 DSP also controls the transmit bandwidth. If I did not understand your question, please ask again. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2010 3:11 PM, DM7ZQ wrote: Good evening, sorry for my ´lowbrow´ question. I do not want to do anything illegal! Some friends have told them and I wanted to ask the reflector to learn more about this. Please excuse - my english is not very fine. Close this question now, it´s done. Vy 73 and thanks for the many answers. Best regards, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Here in the US there are few bootleggers on MARS, etc., but it's been an epidemic on the 11 meter CB band since 11 meters was taken from Amateur and given to CB service. It was quite predictable, given the huge number of Amateur rigs on the used market that covered 11 meters when it was a Ham band. As SSB phased into CB, many bootleggers made money modifying newer Ham gear to cover 11 meters. The draconian regulations covering the ability to modify/operate US Ham rigs and amplifiers on the 11 meter band are an attempt to stem that abuse by providing a clear legal basis to prosecute suppliers of that stuff along with the illegal operators. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- ...Its double standards saying on the one hand that its ok to use the K3 on one particular HF service even though its it illegal, then go onto say that it wont be allowed on the CB service. To me it does not matter since I use a TS480HX and its IMD performance at 100 watts meets spectral purity standards for all HF services at 100 watts of output. The TS480HX is good radio at 100 watts of output. I use my 480HX in both my sailing and flying hobbies and it works great. At least if you wanted to stand on the high moral ground, out of band transmission on any non amateur band on the K3 should not be allowed. You at least would have some credibility on the issue. 73 John --- On Sat, 12/25/10, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF vk4bof.elecr...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin, Speaking from experience, the 'wideband' software 'tool' will indeed allow the K3 to transmit outside of most bands but operation on 27MHz is still recieve only even after the usage of said software 'tool'. Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD, Australia Elecraft K3# 4257 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Hmmm, It seems that the OP's question and my answer may have created a bit of a storm in a teacup. If you are offended in some way by my post I appologise. Perhaps I should clarify my original reply. I 'acquired' the out of band TX software via a radio based forum on the internet and tried it out on my K3 and found that it does do as I stated, it will transmit out of band on all bands except 27MHz. (I tested my 'modified' K3 into a dummy load.) The only need I have for transmitting out of band is that I am an Australian Coast Guard Volunteer and the holder of a Marine Radio Operators certificate and as such I monitor (and occasionally transmit on) the HF marine frequencies 'after Coast Guard hours' here at home. (My local Coast Guard holds the appropriate licences for me to operate at my home on both the HF and VHF marine frequencies.) It is nice to be able to do that using the K3 with it's (far) superior reciever in comparison to some (most) of the commercial marine rigs out there. As for the lack of 27MHz transmit capability, that's something that must be taken up with both Elecraft and the FCC as I believe it is due to some of the rather strict rules that are in place re: type approval of any upper HF band transmitter in the US of A. (See Ron AC7AC's rather eloquent reply) BTW, I had a Kenwood TS480SAT before I purchased my K3, it was a pretty good mobile set though it's DSP is woeful. I would not use a 480 at home but in a mobile installation I found that it's hard to beat. (As an aside, my TS480SAT was modified by it's original owner's dealer for continuos coverage TX, including 27MHz though I never used it out of band, apparently it's a quite simple task to do, involving one resistors removal I believe.) 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD, Australia Elecraft K3# 4257 - Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting? Here in the US there are few bootleggers on MARS, etc., but it's been an epidemic on the 11 meter CB band since 11 meters was taken from Amateur and given to CB service. It was quite predictable, given the huge number of Amateur rigs on the used market that covered 11 meters when it was a Ham band. As SSB phased into CB, many bootleggers made money modifying newer Ham gear to cover 11 meters. The draconian regulations covering the ability to modify/operate US Ham rigs and amplifiers on the 11 meter band are an attempt to stem that abuse by providing a clear legal basis to prosecute suppliers of that stuff along with the illegal operators. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- ...Its double standards saying on the one hand that its ok to use the K3 on one particular HF service even though its it illegal, then go onto say that it wont be allowed on the CB service. To me it does not matter since I use a TS480HX and its IMD performance at 100 watts meets spectral purity standards for all HF services at 100 watts of output. The TS480HX is good radio at 100 watts of output. I use my 480HX in both my sailing and flying hobbies and it works great. At least if you wanted to stand on the high moral ground, out of band transmission on any non amateur band on the K3 should not be allowed. You at least would have some credibility on the issue. 73 John --- On Sat, 12/25/10, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF vk4bof.elecr...@gmail.com wrote: Benjamin, Speaking from experience, the 'wideband' software 'tool' will indeed allow the K3 to transmit outside of most bands but operation on 27MHz is still recieve only even after the usage of said software 'tool'. Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD, Australia Elecraft K3# 4257 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Firstly, I do not want to get involved in a debate on what is (and isn't) legal - let's leave it at the technical level. You can (or at least, used to be able to) ask Elecraft for the K3 MARS TX unlock software. Here is the information received from Elecraft: Attached is the program to remove the TX Band limits so you can work MARS. Please note that this program removes *all* TX freq. limits, so it is upon you to make sure you are operating legally at the authorized frequencies. We cannot be held liable for any unauthorized operation. Your K3 also requires a KBPF3 option if you need to tune very much away from the US ham band allocations. The current firmware disables transmitting between 7.5 and 9 MHz at high power so the 8.215MHz trap on the KAT3 or KANT3 is not damaged. Also, the CB band is blocked for transmit at high power. --- After unlocking, it will TX on 27MHz, however only at low power (10-12watts). It will not engage the KPA3 on this band. Andy VK4KY -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Mods-for-wide-band-transmiting-tp5866670p5868279.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Hello Elecrafters, merry christmas, how can i tune my Elecraft K3 to transmit on ´wide band coverage´ e.g. 11m Band? I know, i need an Software plug-in!? How can i get this? Thanks for a short answer, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Mods-for-wide-band-transmiting-tp5866670p5866670.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting?
Benjamin, Speaking from experience, the 'wideband' software 'tool' will indeed allow the K3 to transmit outside of most bands but operation on 27MHz is still recieve only even after the usage of said software 'tool'. Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF Innisfail, QLD, Australia Elecraft K3# 4257 - Original Message - From: DM7ZQ To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Mods for wide band transmiting? Hello Elecrafters, merry christmas, how can i tune my Elecraft K3 to transmit on ´wide band coverage´ e.g. 11m Band? I know, i need an Software plug-in!? How can i get this? Thanks for a short answer, 73 de Benjamin, DM7ZQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Mods-for-wide-band-transmiting-tp5866670p5866670.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
