Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
When using a Clear Speech Speaker, does one need to change the MENU SPEAKER setting to 1? I'm using 2 speakers right now. The Clear Speech Speaker comes with a stereo cable. Steve, K6SAB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
K3 NR-- it has been mentioned some time ago that 1 thru 4 were best for cw and 5 thru 8 were best for ssb, I don't know the truth to this but I do know that on 6-20m ssb that 7-2 or 3 or 8-2 or 3 works very well but it can reduce speaker volume and especially headphone volume which I've resolved. I've also noticed that with rf gain at 2 o'clock, turning agc off reduces noise. I'd be interested as to why this is so. My interest is in digging weak signals out. I only go to 40 80 if I can't find anything on 6-20 or 60. I've also got a gap hear it speaker I tried but rarely find it advantageous anymore for weak signal. 73 Mike R __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
I do wish the K3 NR was better but for all the negatives I do use it on 40 80 with some success on 7-1 and 7-2. It is not totally useless for me. It would be the one thing I would like Elecraft to improve if it was possible. I absolutely love the K3 APF for weak signal CW work especially on 6m. Without it I would have not worked JA on 6m this past SSSP season. I use notch sparingly but it does work ok for me on SSB as noted below. Filtering...well it is extra special in that department and probably a major reason we own K3s. Keith AK6ZZ Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos On Sep 3, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Allen Brier N5XZ n...@earthlink.net wrote: 1. K3 Noise reduction is next to useless 2. K3 Notch works great on SSB 3. K3 APF is occasionally useful (Elecraft needs to make the peak adjustable) 4. K3 Filtering is GREAT! Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: Stephen Roberts steve...@shoreham.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 12:14 PM To: Allen Brier N5XZ n...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker I have to say that I agree with you Allen. If there's one thing I'm very disappointed with, it's the noise reduction system in general. In my experience the noise reduction, notch and AFP functions are not of any use to me as a CW op. On the other hand, the narrow filter is amazing. Steve, W1SFR On Sep 3, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ wrote: Now that's something that Elecraft needs to work on, thier internal noise reduction system. I find it almost useless, and I've tried it many times with many settings. Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 11:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:48:14 -0700 From: Ron Midwin mid...@mo-rep.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: ronmidwin...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Message-ID: 001601cea8b4$9eae5d50$dc0b17f0$@mo-rep.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I've been using the Heil version of the Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker for ~ 5 years. It has a 5 position noise control and I usually leave it at 1, which knocks down the noise without any negative effects on the sound. Heil no longer makes it, but I believe it uses similar circuitry. My default setting is at 1 out of 5, and this cleans up the harsh noise very nicely without noticeable audio degradation. When the noise gets really bad, I have used it all the way up to 5, and still don't find the audio objectionable. I also have not had a lot of success with the K3 built in NR, but this is probably due to my lack of understanding how to use it; but since the Clear Speech works so well, I take the lazy way out. If there's any good updated info on how to use the NR effectively, I'd be all ears. Maybe someone who really has it working well can do a YouTube? My 2 cents. Ron KB6G K3 S/N 1997 P.S. I still give the K3 a 5+ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
I've been using the Heil version of the Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker for ~ 5 years. It has a 5 position noise control and I usually leave it at 1, which knocks down the noise without any negative effects on the sound. Heil no longer makes it, but I believe it uses similar circuitry. My default setting is at 1 out of 5, and this cleans up the harsh noise very nicely without noticeable audio degradation. When the noise gets really bad, I have used it all the way up to 5, and still don't find the audio objectionable. I also have not had a lot of success with the K3 built in NR, but this is probably due to my lack of understanding how to use it; but since the Clear Speech works so well, I take the lazy way out. If there's any good updated info on how to use the NR effectively, I'd be all ears. Maybe someone who really has it working well can do a YouTube? My 2 cents. Ron KB6G K3 S/N 1997 P.S. I still give the K3 a 5+ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
I was planning on getting a K3. Can someone explain to me why so many ops use external DSPs. Is the K3 DSP not working well enough. I would prefer to have everything in a box without many peripherals, as I got these anyway for SO2R, antenna switching etc So, again, how good or bad is the K3 DSP. My main focus is CW and low bands. Well I am on the high bands too, but I do not see a need for DSP there. Current rig is a K2. Thanks Andy KU7T -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:16 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have the GAP Hear It on my K3 and in the car. I have the Clear Speech on my boat with a Icom M802. I find they reduce substantially the background noise. It is particularly helpful in the car and on the boat but I also love it in my shack. Jack W4GRJ On Aug 31, 2013, at 13:13, kb9...@wi.rr.com wrote: I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: 34france 34fra...@bellsouth.net To: kb9...@wi.rr.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -Original Message- From: kb9...@wi.rr.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap Hear It and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
Now that's something that Elecraft needs to work on, thier internal noise reduction system. I find it almost useless, and I've tried it many times with many settings. Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 11:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:48:14 -0700 From: Ron Midwin mid...@mo-rep.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: ronmidwin...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Message-ID: 001601cea8b4$9eae5d50$dc0b17f0$@mo-rep.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using the Heil version of the Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker for ~ 5 years. It has a 5 position noise control and I usually leave it at 1, which knocks down the noise without any negative effects on the sound. Heil no longer makes it, but I believe it uses similar circuitry. My default setting is at 1 out of 5, and this cleans up the harsh noise very nicely without noticeable audio degradation. When the noise gets really bad, I have used it all the way up to 5, and still don't find the audio objectionable. I also have not had a lot of success with the K3 built in NR, but this is probably due to my lack of understanding how to use it; but since the Clear Speech works so well, I take the lazy way out. If there's any good updated info on how to use the NR effectively, I'd be all ears. Maybe someone who really has it working well can do a YouTube? My 2 cents. Ron KB6G K3 S/N 1997 P.S. I still give the K3 a 5+ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
Andy, The K3 DSP works just fine. In fact all the filtering, modulation, demodulation as well as many other radio functions are implemented in DSP firmware, not just the NR that has been recently discussed. These folks have specifically been talking about the K3 Noise Reduction algorithms. There are many settings for the K3 NR algorithm, and they are set on a per mode basis. It may take a bit of experimenting to find the setting that is most effective for your use since the best one depends on the characteristics of the noise as well as the mode being used. Some have commented that since they had the external device and it worked well with other radios, they also found it useful with the K3, and they did not have to experiment with the variety of settings offered by the K3. If you are happy with the noise reduction in the KDSP2, be aware that all the K3 DSP firmware has been designed by the same person who designed the KDSP2 - Lyle Johnson KK7P. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/3/2013 12:04 PM, Andreas Hofmann wrote: I was planning on getting a K3. Can someone explain to me why so many ops use external DSPs. Is the K3 DSP not working well enough. I would prefer to have everything in a box without many peripherals, as I got these anyway for SO2R, antenna switching etc So, again, how good or bad is the K3 DSP. My main focus is CW and low bands. Well I am on the high bands too, but I do not see a need for DSP there. Current rig is a K2. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
1. K3 Noise reduction is next to useless 2. K3 Notch works great on SSB 3. K3 APF is occasionally useful (Elecraft needs to make the peak adjustable) 4. K3 Filtering is GREAT! Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: Stephen Roberts steve...@shoreham.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 12:14 PM To: Allen Brier N5XZ n...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker I have to say that I agree with you Allen. If there's one thing I'm very disappointed with, it's the noise reduction system in general. In my experience the noise reduction, notch and AFP functions are not of any use to me as a CW op. On the other hand, the narrow filter is amazing. Steve, W1SFR On Sep 3, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ wrote: Now that's something that Elecraft needs to work on, thier internal noise reduction system. I find it almost useless, and I've tried it many times with many settings. Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 11:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:48:14 -0700 From: Ron Midwin mid...@mo-rep.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: ronmidwin...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Message-ID: 001601cea8b4$9eae5d50$dc0b17f0$@mo-rep.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using the Heil version of the Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker for ~ 5 years. It has a 5 position noise control and I usually leave it at 1, which knocks down the noise without any negative effects on the sound. Heil no longer makes it, but I believe it uses similar circuitry. My default setting is at 1 out of 5, and this cleans up the harsh noise very nicely without noticeable audio degradation. When the noise gets really bad, I have used it all the way up to 5, and still don't find the audio objectionable. I also have not had a lot of success with the K3 built in NR, but this is probably due to my lack of understanding how to use it; but since the Clear Speech works so well, I take the lazy way out. If there's any good updated info on how to use the NR effectively, I'd be all ears. Maybe someone who really has it working well can do a YouTube? My 2 cents. Ron KB6G K3 S/N 1997 P.S. I still give the K3 a 5+ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
Allen's comment matches my experience exactly. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Big Bear Lake, CA -Original Message- From: Allen Brier N5XZ Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:02 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Now that's something that Elecraft needs to work on, thier internal noise reduction system. I find it almost useless, and I've tried it many times with many settings. Allen N5XZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker
Once I finally learned how to use it works very well, but it is NOT a 1-2-3 press for NR like many. With the K3 you can really customize it for each and every type you encounter, like all things it could be better.. I'm still waiting on the PERFECT RADIO a K4 maybe 8) 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Allen Brier N5XZ Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:03 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Now that's something that Elecraft needs to work on, thier internal noise reduction system. I find it almost useless, and I've tried it many times with many settings. Allen N5XZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sep 3, 2013 11:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:48:14 -0700 From: Ron Midwin mid...@mo-rep.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: ronmidwin...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] K3 using Clear Speech Speaker Message-ID: 001601cea8b4$9eae5d50$dc0b17f0$@mo-rep.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using the Heil version of the Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker for ~ 5 years. It has a 5 position noise control and I usually leave it at 1, which knocks down the noise without any negative effects on the sound. Heil no longer makes it, but I believe it uses similar circuitry. My default setting is at 1 out of 5, and this cleans up the harsh noise very nicely without noticeable audio degradation. When the noise gets really bad, I have used it all the way up to 5, and still don't find the audio objectionable. I also have not had a lot of success with the K3 built in NR, but this is probably due to my lack of understanding how to use it; but since the Clear Speech works so well, I take the lazy way out. If there's any good updated info on how to use the NR effectively, I'd be all ears. Maybe someone who really has it working well can do a YouTube? My 2 cents. Ron KB6G K3 S/N 1997 P.S. I still give the K3 a 5+ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6134 - Release Date: 09/03/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -Original Message- From: kb9...@wi.rr.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap Hear It and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: 34france 34fra...@bellsouth.net To: kb9...@wi.rr.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -Original Message- From: kb9...@wi.rr.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap Hear It and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
I have the GAP Hear It on my K3 and in the car. I have the Clear Speech on my boat with a Icom M802. I find they reduce substantially the background noise. It is particularly helpful in the car and on the boat but I also love it in my shack. Jack W4GRJ On Aug 31, 2013, at 13:13, kb9...@wi.rr.com wrote: I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: 34france 34fra...@bellsouth.net To: kb9...@wi.rr.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -Original Message- From: kb9...@wi.rr.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap Hear It and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
I have used the Gap Hear It and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: Bill b...@w2blc.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
Not with my K3 but in the truck with a Kenwood 480. The CS is one knob variable from zero to max noise reduction, just right for mobile ops. Eyes on the road noise reduction. That said, the K3 NR is much more elegant though it needs more interaction from the operator. But at the desk I don't find that an issue. Can't imagine a CS speaker would add anything to a shack equipped with a K3. Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote: Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I've got a gap made by bmi. When I first put it in I thought it was some advantage but rarely think so anymore. I can switch it in and out. When I want NR I run the k3 dsp pretty hard on ssb at 7 or 8-2 or 3. This reduces volume drastically so I have phones on the external speaker side but requires a phone volume control if using both speakers and phones. The k3 could use more volume. I wouldn't pay $100 for one of those speakers. I stole mine for $5. 73 Mike R __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
