Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-23 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
I often find the second receiver switching to ANT 2, which on my K3 is a dummy 
load. Easy to diagnose and fix using BSET, but a bit annoying. 

Tom W4KX

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> On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:59 AM, KE8G  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
> Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.
> 
> The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
> new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
> as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I
> removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz,
> blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.
> 
> I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
> each filter.
> 
> When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
> antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
> receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
> receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes
> to just white noise.
> 
> When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
> pushing any buttons on the radio.
> 
> I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then
> re-assembling it.  Using most current firmware, 5.66.
> 
> Please advise.
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-22 Thread Buck
I thought I remembered seeing that in the instructions.  If I was wrong, 
my apologies.


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On 3/22/2019 1:40 PM, Nr4c wrote:

Since when can there be no empty slots between filters?

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On Mar 22, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Buck  wrote:

No blank slots allowed between filters

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On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote:
Hi All,
I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.
The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I
removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz,
blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.
I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
each filter.
When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes
to just white noise.
When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
pushing any buttons on the radio.
I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then
re-assembling it.  Using most current firmware, 5.66.
Please advise.
73 de Jim - KE8G
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[Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working - Now Fixed

2019-03-22 Thread KE8G
Hi All,
I created a new email and changed the subject line to reflect the fact that
I now have the sub receiver functioning perfectly.

It turns out to be an error with the seating of the pins on the board.

Thanks for all the suggestions,
73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-22 Thread Nr4c
Since when can there be no empty slots between filters?

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...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 22, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Buck  wrote:
> 
> No blank slots allowed between filters
> 
> Buck, k4ia
> Honor Roll
> 8BDXCC
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> 
>> On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
>> Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.
>> The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
>> new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
>> as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I
>> removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz,
>> blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.
>> I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
>> each filter.
>> When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
>> antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
>> receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
>> receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes
>> to just white noise.
>> When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
>> pushing any buttons on the radio.
>> I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then
>> re-assembling it.  Using most current firmware, 5.66.
>> Please advise.
>> 73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-22 Thread Buck

No blank slots allowed between filters

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On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote:

Hi All,
I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.

The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I
removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz,
blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.

I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
each filter.

When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes
to just white noise.

When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
pushing any buttons on the radio.

I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then
re-assembling it.  Using most current firmware, 5.66.

Please advise.
73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-22 Thread Peter Dougherty
This is probably a "101" level thing check, but can you confirm that the
sub-RX setting of "MAIN" has stuck? It's happened to me several times in the
past that it's changed to AUX seemingly on its own. 

I thought I had killed my Sub-RX just a couple of weeks ago and this was
indeed the case.

 - pjd

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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 12:00 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io; Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

Hi All,
I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.

The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I removed
the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, blank slot,
1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.

I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
each filter.

When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes to
just white noise.

When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
pushing any buttons on the radio. 


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[Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working

2019-03-22 Thread KE8G
Hi All,
I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting.  I looked at
Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck.

The sub receiver was working perfectly.  I took the radio apart to add some
new filters to the sub receiver.  It originally had two of them; configured
as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots.  I
removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz,
blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot.

I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for
each filter.

When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main
antenna.  If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main
receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones.  When I engage the sub
receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes
to just white noise.

When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when
pushing any buttons on the radio.

I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then
re-assembling it.  Using most current firmware, 5.66.

Please advise.
73 de Jim - KE8G
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] sub receiver filter recommendation

2019-03-11 Thread Robert G Strickland via Elecraft
Thanks to all respondents. To clear up one point... "Migration," as per 
Elecraft, means to transfer whatever components in a K3 that will work 
to a K3S. In my case, just filters. I end up with a new K3S and the 
original K3, ie two radios. I have never operated SO2V in a contest. So, 
my curiosity is focused on which CW filter in the sub-receiver, if any, 
works best in the SO2V contest environment. With the K3, I have usually 
run with the 500cps filter, so I'm guessing there should be no 
significant difference when operating SO2V. But, I want(ed) to get a 
feel for this mode from others who have used it in contests. The 
Elecraft 400cps filter seems to be slightly preferable to the 500cps 
filter for reasons cited. Diversity is not an option here [limited 
antennas]. Again thanks.

...robert

On 3/11/2019 01:59, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:

I am migrating my K3 [Ser# 6232] to a K3S with a sub-receiver. In the
K3S main receiver I will have the following crystal filters from the K3:

2.8Kc 8-pole Elecraft
1.9kc ?-pole Elecraft
0.5kc 8-pole Inrad
0.2kc 5-pole Elecraft

I operate almost exclusively CW in contests and DX chasing. in contests,
I anticipate using the sub-receiver in a SO2V arrangement, the main
receiver in S and the sub- in running. Given this operating
arrangement, which single crystal filter in the sub- would be "best?" I
understand that personal preferences play a big part in choosing a
filter, yet I'm wondering if there's a broad consensus in the filter
width that most folks choose, most of the time, in this application.
Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and advice.

..robert


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[Elecraft] [K3S] sub receiver filter recommendation

2019-03-10 Thread Robert G Strickland via Elecraft
I am migrating my K3 [Ser# 6232] to a K3S with a sub-receiver. In the 
K3S main receiver I will have the following crystal filters from the K3:


2.8Kc 8-pole Elecraft
1.9kc ?-pole Elecraft
0.5kc 8-pole Inrad
0.2kc 5-pole Elecraft

I operate almost exclusively CW in contests and DX chasing. in contests, 
I anticipate using the sub-receiver in a SO2V arrangement, the main 
receiver in S and the sub- in running. Given this operating 
arrangement, which single crystal filter in the sub- would be "best?" I 
understand that personal preferences play a big part in choosing a 
filter, yet I'm wondering if there's a broad consensus in the filter 
width that most folks choose, most of the time, in this application. 
Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and advice.


...robert
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Syracuse, New York, USA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-10 Thread Ian White
Byron wrote:

 For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

 I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit
 on the Sub.


Don replied:
I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my
transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station does
not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, there is
no reason to change VFO B.

Byron, don't give up! Your instincts are entirely correct: use the main
receiver for the DX and the sub for the pileup.

Four good reasons:

1. By any meaningful definition of the term DX, the DX station is
likely to be *much* weaker and more difficult to copy than stations in
the pileup. In some parts of the world, the DX station will also be
subject to strong and deliberate jamming that will make copy extremely
difficult.

2. But you still need to copy *every detail* of what the DX station
sends. Above all, you need 100% copy of the callsign that he's currently
replying to - in the hope that it's yours, of course, and then to
confirm that he copied it correctly. 

3. You don't need good copy at all from the pileup. You only need to
identify a frequency where someone is sending 599 but you don't need
to know who that was, and you probably won't even call on that
frequency. It doesn't need your best receiver to do that.

4. The Main and Sub receivers are not equal. The Main is by far your
best receiver because all the QRM-fighting features and controls are
immediately to hand. Many controls for the Sub cannot be reached without
first holding BSET, and the Sub may not have the full complement of
filters.


So stick with the method you know, Byron. The K3 can do it, and it
*will* net you more DX.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-09 Thread Don Wilhelm

Byron,

First, it is not possible to transmit on the Sub - it is receive only.

I don't know what you mean by have the signals on both the main and 
sub-receivers - if you turn on the SUB, you will have the main in one 
ear and the SubRX in the other.


You can hear signals in the main RX, and also in the SubRX (if you have 
the SUB turned on).  Normally the main RX frequency is displayed in VFO 
A and the subRX frequency is in VFO B.  Your transmit frequency will be 
on VFO A unless you go SPLIT and then it changes to VFO B.  If you have 
any question about which VFO will be used for transmit, look at the 
arrow to the right of the display - it points to the VFO that will be 
used for transmit.


With the K3 in SPLIT, the transmit arrow will point to VFO B, and that 
will be the frequency you will transmit on, so you would tune VFO A to 
the DX and tune VFO B to the pileup to find the spot you wish to transmit.


With the SubRX on, you can accomplish the same thing without going into 
SPLIT, but you will transmit on VFO A - tune that vfo to the pileup, and 
with VFO B, tune to the DX station.


It is not complicated as long as you observe the transmit arrow display.
I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my 
transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station does 
not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, there is 
no reason to change VFO B.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 8/9/2015 6:52 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:

Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit 
on the Sub.


I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.


I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.




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[Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-09 Thread Byron Peebles

Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit on 
the Sub.


I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.


I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.


(100)-72, Byron

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-09 Thread WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
You don't need to do anything special except have two speakers or a stereo 
headset.  One output goes to left speaker and the other to the right speaker.  
You can hear the difference unless you have a hearing problem.  Likewise with a 
stereo headset you hear one in the left ear and one in the right. Willis 
'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS
  From: Byron Peebles n...@arrl.net
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 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:52 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
   
Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit on 
the Sub.

I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.

I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.

(100)-72, Byron

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-09 Thread Scott Manthe

Byron,
Perhaps you're missing the first step: you need to turn it on by tapping 
sub on the front panel.


73,
Scott N9AA

On 8/9/15 6:52 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:

Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit 
on the Sub.


I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.


I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.


(100)-72, Byron

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?

2015-08-09 Thread Byron Peebles
I think this is another un-learning experience for me, coming from a 
radio with two big knobs.
It makes sense to reverse the way I used the VFOs in the past, so I have 
to learn the mechanics of quickly going split, locking the Sub, and 
working the VFO A DX-receive frequency.


I have seen this written-up, but it didn't hit home until your note.

Great tip, Don.

(100) 72, Byron

On 08/09/2015 07:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

It is not complicated as long as you observe the transmit arrow display.
I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my 
transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station 
does not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, 
there is no reason to change VFO B. 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver [drifting OT]

2015-07-30 Thread Mark AB7MP

Wow, nice to see another Danner!!

73,

Mark Danner, ab7mp

-Original Message- 
From: George Danner

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:02 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

Diversity

73 George AI4VZ
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 -  -  -  -  -  -
Most people will use the sub RX to listen
to the pile-up when working DX, others will use it in contests to search
for contacts, and others will use it like Ken is doing, to hear openings
on a different band than the operating band. The sub RX definitely makes
the K3 more versatile.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 7/30/15 12:10 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:

How would you use the K3S Sub Receiver?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver [drifting OT]

2015-07-30 Thread kev...@coho.net

I wear my Danner boots almost every day :)
73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS

On 7/30/2015 11:56 AM, Mark AB7MP wrote:

Wow, nice to see another Danner!!

73,

Mark Danner, ab7mp

-Original Message- From: George Danner
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:02 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

Diversity

73 George AI4VZ
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - -  -  
-  -

 -  -  -  -  -  -
Most people will use the sub RX to listen
to the pile-up when working DX, others will use it in contests to search
for contacts, and others will use it like Ken is doing, to hear openings
on a different band than the operating band. The sub RX definitely makes
the K3 more versatile.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 7/30/15 12:10 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:

How would you use the K3S Sub Receiver?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread Scott Manthe
As Ken's response indicates, the number of uses is probably as varied as 
the number of K3S/KRX3 owners. Most people will use the sub RX to listen 
to the pile-up when working DX, others will use it in contests to search 
for contacts, and others will use it like Ken is doing, to hear openings 
on a different band than the operating band. The sub RX definitely makes 
the K3 more versatile.


73,
Scott N9AA


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread Ken G Kopp
It's likely not a common usage, but mine's parked on 6M with a dedicated 6M
antenna listening for openings.

73

Ken - K0PP
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[Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread David Ahrendts
How would you use the K3S Sub Receiver? 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread George Danner

Diversity

73 George AI4VZ
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 
 -  -  -  -  -  -

Most people will use the sub RX to listen
to the pile-up when working DX, others will use it in contests to search
for contacts, and others will use it like Ken is doing, to hear openings
on a different band than the operating band. The sub RX definitely makes
the K3 more versatile.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 7/30/15 12:10 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:

How would you use the K3S Sub Receiver?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread Udo Langenohl - DK5YA
Diversity on 144 MHz HPol and Vpol X-Yagis on EME with two transverters 
locked by a common LO and 10 MHz GPS. There's no other rig than can do 
this like the K3 with SubRX.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver

2015-07-30 Thread Jim Brown
Yes. During 6M E-skip season, my K3 is usually monitoring either 50.125 
or 50.276 in the main RX, with the sub-RX in the CW band, and the P3 
displaying 50.080 to 50.280. With this setup, I'll quickly see any band 
activity. The 50.276 RX will feed WSJT-X. Once short-sequence ISCAT-B 
gains more traction, I'll monitor 50.248, the ISCAT-B calling frequency.


On HF, I use the Sub-RX for Diversity reception, and to listen on my TX 
frequency when I'm running split.


73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,7/30/2015 9:27 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

It's likely not a common usage, but mine's parked on 6M with a dedicated 6M
antenna listening for openings.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jul 30, 2015 10:10 AM, David Ahrendtsdavidahren...@me.com  wrote:


How would you use the K3S Sub Receiver?


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