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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-10 Thread Eric Swartz

And with that, let's end this thread in the interest of keeping tempers
down and relieving email overload for everyone.

Also, please always keep discussions cordial, just as you would sitting
across from friends at dinner.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-09 Thread JR

"ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting,..."

Meh. Suggesting the ARRL Lab is ignorant about real world contesting is
incredible. They are plenty smart, have their own stations, and do NOT live in
a technological vacuum. If it was a problem, they would know it.

"It is THEIR DATA, not mine."

Exactly. You concede my point. You present no evidence or proof of your own,
and concede the available data fails to prove the problem.

"Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB;
current vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty ...
occupying three times the bandwidth of a clean
SSB signal"

Pshaw. You exaggerate. Three times normal bandwidth is more than 8.5 MHz. If ALL Yaesu signals really are
that wide, everyone would know it, and even the least expensive SDR dongle would easily show it. The boys in
the ARRL Lab would be well aware of it, and besides, it makes no sense to say "current vintage" -
as "current" and "vintage" are essentially opposites.

Bottom line: I gave you the home run pitch, challenging you to proffer hard
evidence of your unsubstantiated, anecdotal claim. Instead, your generalizing
rebuttal and brandishing credentials is weak as water.

AS for MY experience, while I am not an engineer, I am reasonably well informed
and made my millions cross-examining self-proclaimed experts lacking sufficient
evidence.

As this is clearly OT, I will retire before wearing out my welcome, especially
considering you have made my point for me!

Happy days, and good DX to all. K8JHR

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-09 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

On 2020-10-09 12:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer,
> traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC.

I can't claim credit for that ... the information was originally
identified by W8JI in Yaesu rigs as far back as the FT1000D and
FT1000MP (and other Yaesu transceivers of that era).

Not only do Yaesu derive their ALC based on overdrive of the final
amplifiers, they have excess gain in both their TX IF and ALC loop
which only makes matters worse (as anyone who is familiar with the
design of servo control circuits will understand).  One can make a
noticeable improvement in TX IMD in Yaesu transceivers by reducing
the TX IF gain (if one knows how to access the factory alignment
menu) on each band to the minimum necessary to reach full output.
Reducing the IF gain also reduces "overshoot" and helps with the
key clicks but - alas - it does nothing about the phase noise
issues.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2020-10-09 12:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 10/8/2020 10:43 PM, JR wrote:
K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter 
noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what 
the ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem.

ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting, hence are unlikely to 
see these problems. My "paper" you referenced is a re-plotting of ARRL 
Lab data for all rigs on the same scale, and at scales large enough to 
clearly see differences. It is THEIR DATA, not mine.

Not a problem? Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB; current 
vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty on SSB, occupying three times the 
bandwidth of a clean SSB signal. W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer, 
traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC. I became aware of 
this when trying to work next to one of these dirty stations on the 
band; the P3SVGA display clearly showed the IMD-caused splatter on both 
sides of the station's intended signal. The splatter extended more than 
2 kHz below his USB suppressed carrier frequency, and almost than 5 kHz 
above it. A clean SSB signal (not ESSB) signal is about 2.7 kHz wide.

After this first experience, I observed a lot of signals like this, and 
asked some of them what rig they were using. It was nearly always a 
Yaesu. Those that were not were splattering because they were 
overdriving their amp.

This is NOT parochialism, it's solid engineering, which is my expertise. 
What's yours?

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-09 Thread Jim Brown


On 10/8/2020 10:43 PM, JR wrote:
K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter 
noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what the 
ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem.


ARRL Lab engineers are not active in contesting, hence are unlikely to 
see these problems. My "paper" you referenced is a re-plotting of ARRL 
Lab data for all rigs on the same scale, and at scales large enough to 
clearly see differences. It is THEIR DATA, not mine.


Not a problem? Yaesu rigs used to be pretty clean on SSB; current 
vintage Yaesu rigs are VERY dirty on SSB, occupying three times the 
bandwidth of a clean SSB signal. W4TV, a retired broadcast engineer, 
traced the cause down to their method of doing ALC. I became aware of 
this when trying to work next to one of these dirty stations on the 
band; the P3SVGA display clearly showed the IMD-caused splatter on both 
sides of the station's intended signal. The splatter extended more than 
2 kHz below his USB suppressed carrier frequency, and almost than 5 kHz 
above it. A clean SSB signal (not ESSB) signal is about 2.7 kHz wide.


After this first experience, I observed a lot of signals like this, and 
asked some of them what rig they were using. It was nearly always a 
Yaesu. Those that were not were splattering because they were 
overdriving their amp.


This is NOT parochialism, it's solid engineering, which is my expertise. 
What's yours?


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-08 Thread JR


K9YC said ... You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios 
-- clicks
and splatter have been the rule.

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There is too much parochialism in ham radio.

A couple of ops say this, failing to prove the claim, or substantiate it applies beyond a 
couple of isolated cases.  While Mr. Sherwood knows ONE guy with a noisy FT3000,  there 
are loads of them in service in my market, and nobody considers them poor neighbors.  If 
they are all that bad, we would know it.   Such unsubstantiated claims reminds me of a 
similar row on the TT reflector, where some guy in Germany claimed the TS-890 is a 
"noise machine" compared to the TT Eagle - and failed to document more than two 
or three alleged cases, and today recommends the TS-890 as a good rig to buy!  K9YC 
published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter noise figures - which 
belies the claim and ultimately validates what the ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig 
is a problem.  And, yet, the claim persists.

So, great ... he we go again.  More unsubstantiated nonsense.  This sort of 
parochialism both off-topic and does a disservice.  K8JHR




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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-06 Thread Jim Brown


On 10/6/2020 3:13 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

I paid for a Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this 
radio ever sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection 
it's not high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was 
not fitted).


You're right, Andy  - I've heard from tops ops that own them that the 
TS590s are very nice rigs, and ARRL Lab tests show them much cleaner 
than ICOM and Yaesu. I've recommended it to several hams who can't 
afford Elecraft. (Although used K3s are getting to be a real bargain!).


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-06 Thread Charlie T

AND, ( stated as kindly as I can) You'll wear out the manual before the
radio.
I was a Yaesu fan-boy, putting up with the seemingly endless menu's all
through the various FT-1000 versions, then came the FT-2Kaput.
I'm cured now and am waiting to save a few buks on the K4Kit.
Guess I should probably sell my couple year old K3S package eh?

73, Charlie k3ICH




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On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:
> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a
Mic

You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- clicks
and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been very clean
on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-06 Thread Andy Durbin

"You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios --"

I'm not sure I see the connection between part 1 and part 2. I paid for a 
Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this radio ever 
sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection it's not 
high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was not 
fitted).

I have never felt I could have worked more DX with a "better" rig.  Better 
antennas - sure, better rig - no.  My flying sucks up all my money.  None left 
for K4.

Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-06 Thread Jim Brown


On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:

FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a 
Mic


You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- 
clicks and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been 
very clean on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-05 Thread Mike VE3YF


Hi:

I fully concur, when you look at the prices we paid for the K3/K3S and 
all those extras, the current price of the K4D seems like a good price 
to me. Sure hoping that my K4D will arrive before Xmas. Only time will 
tell, it will be almost a year since I purchased the K4D. Fingers are 
getting itchy, so much that I went out and bought a couple of those 
stylus pens just for the rig.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Chris Codella, W2PA

Another way of looking at this is through the lens of history and 
inflation.  In 1969 a set of Drake twins (R-4B, T-4XB, MS-4, AC-4) cost 
$1149.85 (in the 1969 Lafayette Radio catalog).  That translates to 
$8136.60 in 2020.  I daresay that the K4's features and performance are 
just a tad bit better. ;-)


73,
Chris, W2PA

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Clay Autery


Absolutely!

My INITIAL order for K3s w/ P3, etc. was: *$4387.87 in 2016*.
Add in *$570 for more filters* over the years (AM, FM, and HF)
THEN in Dec 2019, I did a final "fill it up" order because I saw the EOL 
coming on things: *$2435.48 fo*r

*SubRX**
**    Gen Coverage and filters for SubRX**
**    2 Meter module and REFLOCk board**
** Pair of Speakers*

All-in, not counting maintenance costs or anything else:

*$7303.35 for a fully outfitted K3s/P3 with dual Receivers and Gen 
Coverage thru HF to 2 meters.*


The K4 looks a LOT more reasonable than one might think from my perspective.

73,

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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years 
ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far 
as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not 
disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.


I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds 
$300.  I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved 
with getting parts, etc.  But there’s another way to look at it.


To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the 
K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least 
one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the 
antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, 
a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such 
as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.


Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  
For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).


Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base 
K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go 
to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices 
do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for 
the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost 
$5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be 
interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my 
$1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the 
FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU 
and a Mic


I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. 
I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is 
dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a 
surprisingly low price.


73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Clay Autery


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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years 
ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far 
as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not 
disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.


I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds 
$300.  I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved 
with getting parts, etc.  But there’s another way to look at it.


To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the 
K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least 
one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the 
antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, 
a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such 
as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.


Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  
For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).


Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the 
game.


73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base 
K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go 
to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices 
do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for 
the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost 
$5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be 
interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my 
$1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the 
FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU 
and a Mic


I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. 
I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is 
dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a 
surprisingly low price.


73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA


I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually 
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years ago 
( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far as 
possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.


I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua



On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Alan Bloom

Plus the K4 has a large, full-color, touchscreen display, Ethernet LAN, 
several USB ports, flexible antenna switching, etc. And it's all 
integrated in one box.



Alan N1AL


On 10/4/2020 9:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS




On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread w4sc

Gary,
To top that off…. It is ALL in one box!
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-04 Thread Gary J Ferdinand

Well, let’s think about this one a bit.  I for one was not disappointed with 
the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700.  The new price adds $300.  I’m ok 
with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc.  
But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you 
would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow 
SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 
SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder.  And, I’ve 
probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that 
implies.  

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.  For 
example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.  

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get.  Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
> be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
> turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU 
> ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
> purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
> range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
> had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D 
> which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 
> 
> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
> 
> 73,
> Dave N8AG
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Mike Short

Save for the factory price and have money for accessories

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 18:48 Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any
> potential confusion.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>
> > Ian,
>
> >
>
> > Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer
> than we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> >
>
> > Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> >
>
> > Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
> I've got a check to write...
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Phil
>
> > w1jv
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> > Wayne
>
> > N6KR
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C 
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Eric/Wayne,
>
> > >
>
> > > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
>
> > >
>
> > > 73 de,
>
> > >
>
> > > Ian, NV4C
>
> > > K3 #281 P3 #681
>
> > >
>
> > > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>
> > >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> > >>
>
> > >> K4-F - $4,099.95
>
> > >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>
> > >> K4HD - TBD
>
> > >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> > >>
>
> > >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Lou, W0FK
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Wayne Burdick

If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any 
potential confusion.

Wayne


> On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> Ian,
> 
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than 
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and 
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved 
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
> 
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, 
> it won't impact your position in the queue. 
> 
> Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so I've 
> got a check to write...
> 
> -- 
> Phil
> w1jv
>  
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> > 
> > Eric/Wayne,
> > 
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, 
> > can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit 
> > versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits 
> > being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they 
> > *are* announced.
> > 
> > 73 de,
> > 
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> > 
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >> 
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95 
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD   
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >> 
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >> 
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Phil Genera

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>

Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
I've got a check to write...

-- 
Phil
w1jv


>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Ian Kahn

Wayne,


I completely understand the challenges with getting the kit version ready.
I don't have a prepaid order and am perfectly willing to wait  (although,
admittedly, with baited breath :-) ) for the Elecraft team to be able to
get all the pieces and parts of the kits ready to go, safely and
efficiently.

I am just curious about the estimated cost difference between the factory
version and the kits. I want to start putting aside my pennies now, and
want to have a somewhat reasonable target.

I hope for everyone on the Elecraft team to be and stay safe, both from
COVID and the fires.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 3:51 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Wayne Burdick

Ian,

Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than we'd 
hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and manufacturing/shipping 
procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved (including me) have been 
preoccupied.

Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, 
it won't impact your position in the queue. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:
> 
> Eric/Wayne,
> 
> Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, 
> can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit 
> versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits 
> being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they 
> *are* announced.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> Ian, NV4C
> K3 #281 P3 #681
> 
> On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>> 
>> K4-F - $4,099.95 
>> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>> K4HD - TBD   
>> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>> 
>> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> 
>> Lou, W0FK
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Ian Kahn, NV4C


Eric/Wayne,

Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built 
models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be 
for the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out 
from the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start 
saving for when they *are* announced.


73 de,

Ian, NV4C
K3 #281 P3 #681

On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020

K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95   
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Macy monkeys

Mine was made in Japan but I heard others are made in China. 

John K7FD

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H  wrote:
> 
> where did Yaesu make the new 101 
> 
>> On 10/3/2020 10:08 AM, Macy monkeys wrote:
>> I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
>> pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy 
>> of the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.
>> 
>> John K7FD
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 
>>> would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the 
>>> K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include 
>>> the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was 
>>> thinking of purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s 
>>> out of my price range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes 
>>> for. I’m glad that I had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I 
>>> have to wonder if one will really be able to tell the difference between 
>>> any K4 and the FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes 
>>> the ATU and a Mic
>>> 
>>> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
>>> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
>>> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low 
>>> price.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave N8AG
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Bill Steffey NY9H


where did Yaesu make the new 101 

On 10/3/2020 10:08 AM, Macy monkeys wrote:

I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy of 
the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.

John K7FD


On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Wes

IIRC the price for a base K4 was always predicted to be ~$4K.  I'm on the "no 
deposit" list (I think) so my dismay is the extended delivery time.  My 79th 
birthday is later this month and I had hope of treating myself.  But based on my 
experience of being the first kid on the block to have a K3S my time frame to 
buy was one year after deliveries started.


If I simply had to have a new radio now, just to have a new radio, I would buy a 
TS890.  Two things have stopped that (for now), the less then stellar NB/NR 
performance and, this is going to sound anal, the lack of rear panel phone and 
mic jacks.  I dislike cables dangling out of the front of a radio.


Wes  N7WS


On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic

  I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread Macy monkeys

I have the FTdx101D. It wasn't made by workers in America and I don't have a 
pipeline to the designers. Those two things alone might be considered worthy of 
the extra expense. But K4 performance will be proof of the pudding.

John K7FD

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
> be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
> turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU 
> ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
> purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
> range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
> had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one 
> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D 
> which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 
> 
> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
> continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like 
> crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
> 
> 73,
> Dave N8AG
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-03 Thread len

Dave,

I understand your disappointment, but in reality these little toys of 
ours cost money to design and produce.  Just for fun I googled the K3 and that 
a posting from 2009 eluded that a loaded K3 in 2009 was $3700.  In today's 
money that is 4,522.73.  The 1000$ plus price of the K4 line doesn't appear to 
be unreasonable considering the effort that has gone into its design and new 
features.  

Unfortunately, in our world nothing of quality ever seems to be free.  
I'm mortified every time I go in and buy a new car.  I don't buy cars often, 
but each time I do the prices have more than doubled.  My first new car was 
6,800$, then 15,000$, $30,000, and the last did not quite double rather 
40,000$.  (Our previous car was destroyed in a wreck and replaced sooner.)  And 
worst yet not one of the cars had a resale close to what we paid for it.  

The bottom line here is that you have to pay to play.  If you find 
something that works for you be happy with the experience.  In my book anything 
that give you the experience is what's important.  

YMMV

73

Len


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I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 

 I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-02 Thread Dave

I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would 
be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it 
turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) 
or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of 
purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price 
range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I 
had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will 
really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can 
be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic 

 I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will 
continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy 
and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.

73,
Dave N8AG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-02 Thread Joe DeVincentis

Thank you.  Madelyn sent me an e-mail yesterday explaining that as well.  
Thanks for the updates.  

Just like a kid on Xmas Eve - I can't wait.  

73,
Joe, KO8V

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:14, Eric Swartz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You can add K4 options or change from one model of the radio to another 
> without changing your place in line :-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Eric
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> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
>> 
>> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
>> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
>> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay 
>> the difference. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have any insight on that?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Joe, KO8V
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-02 Thread Eric Swartz

Hi Joe,

You can add K4 options or change from one model of the radio to another without 
changing your place in line :-)

73,

Eric
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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
> 
> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
> difference. 
> 
> Does anyone have any insight on that?
> 
> 73,
> Joe, KO8V
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lou,
>> 
>> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
>> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
>> 
>> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> *elecraft.com *
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Nr4c

Assuming they have one to drop into your K4 it should not affect your ship 
date. 

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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Joe DeVincentis  wrote:
> 
> When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
> order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the 
> time of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
> difference. 
> 
> Does anyone have any insight on that?
> 
> 73,
> Joe, KO8V
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lou,
>> 
>> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
>> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
>> 
>> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> *elecraft.com *
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Lou W0FK

Kurt Pawlikowski wrote
> Lou,
> 
>      Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F" 
> indicates "Factory Assembled").
> 
>      k WB9FMC

Correct. No kit available yet though

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Conrad PA5Y

Those prices look OK to me, it depends what happens when the EU dealers add 
their mark-up/import duty.

What I REALLY want to see is the TX IMD for the 10W and 100W versions at 
10/30/50 and 100% PEP.  Please publish this as soon as possible.

My K3S is a great source of disappointment in this respect, especially when I 
look at the superb TX quality from the transverter socket. I really hope that 
the guys have paid more attention to this.

I only operate on 50MHz and above and it may well be that the 10W version with 
a driver amp would be better.  If the TX IMD is good enough, I will buy a K4HD. 
I need the blocking performance for EU VHF contests.

73

Conrad PA5Y


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'10' = 10 Watts

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Lou,

Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Jim Finan

'10' = 10 Watts

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Lou,

    Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

    k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Thorsten Fricke


Am 01.10.20 um 12:31 schrieb Kurt Pawlikowski:

Lou,

     Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F"
indicates "Factory Assembled").

     k WB9FMC


...

Based on the naming convention up to now I would say it is a factory
assembled K4 with 10W... a QRP K4 ;-)

Or it is a typo

BR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski


Lou,

    Forgive my ignorance: What's a K4/10-F? (I assume that "F" 
indicates "Factory Assembled").


    k WB9FMC

On 9/30/2020 10:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95   
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-10-01 Thread Joe DeVincentis

When I placed my order In group one, I was told I could add the ATU when my 
order came up for ship.  What I failed to ask is if adding the ATU at the time 
of ship will affect my place in line when I confirm my order and pay the 
difference. 

Does anyone have any insight on that?

73,
Joe, KO8V

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 00:39, Eric Swartz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lou,
> 
> You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
> doing final edits tonight.  :-).
> 
> The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> (Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> *elecraft.com *
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-09-30 Thread Eric Swartz

Hi Lou,

You are fast!  An early copy slipped out on the web page while we were
doing final edits tonight.  :-).

The final version is up now at https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
(Same prices, minor corrections to descriptive text.)

73,
Eric
*elecraft.com *


On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:09 PM Lou W0FK  wrote:

> Eric Norris-2 wrote
> > Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.
> >
> > And here I was staying so calm...
> >
> >
> > 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> Yes, look under the prices/ordering pull down arrow.
>
> 73, Lou W0FK
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-09-30 Thread Lou W0FK

Eric Norris-2 wrote
> Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.
> 
> And here I was staying so calm...
> 
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM

Yes, look under the prices/ordering pull down arrow.

73, Lou W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-09-30 Thread Eric Norris

Book 'em, Dano.  ATU $399.99, same as K3s if memory serves.

And here I was staying so calm...


73 Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:18 PM Lou W0FK  wrote:

> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> Lou, W0FK
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[Elecraft] K4 Pricing Posted

2020-09-30 Thread Lou W0FK

For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020

K4-F - $4,099.95
K4D-F - $4,999.95
K4HD - TBD  
K4/10-F - $3,599.95

https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver

Lou, W0FK



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