Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Christopher Hoover]

Linux kernel changes rarely break userspace.

Kernel drivers are another matter. Internal kernel apis are always subject
to change.

73 de AI6KG



On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 4:30 PM Mark Goldberg  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 5:14 PM Dave Cole  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Not to pick nits, but I would rather have them write code that does not
> > worry them when the Linux kernel is updated.
>
> Unfortunately, that is not possible.
>
> I've been working with Linux for decades now. Unfortunately, they
> sometimes change stuff in the kernel that you never even guessed would
> change that breaks your code. It's the way it is. Sometimes it is for
> security reasons. It's just a cost of using Linux. Windows, IOS are no
> different. Stuff breaks all the time. At least with Linux you can look
> at the source code to see exactly what changed and how to fix your
> code. I expect Elecraft will get it sorted out quickly. They are smart
> folks.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Paul Van Dyke]

Thank you Wayne,  as you have a far better  understanding of what is going
on
wIthin the K4.

Paul. KB9AVO

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 1:11 AM Dave Cole  wrote:

> Thanks Wayne for clearing that up...  I was getting worried there...
>
>
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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> On 12/6/20 9:41 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > This is not correct.
> >
> > For technical reasons, we've been using a somewhat outdated Kernel
> during the past year's development. (This simplified some logistics for the
> team, while having virtually no impact on K4 users.) All current users are
> getting updated along with our development team, and it was completely
> painless. It'll all be history by the end of next week. A one-time
> reckoning.
> >
> > Now that we've gotten this task out of the way, all future upgrades
> should go very smoothly. In the vast majority of cases only the application
> code will be updated.
> >
> > And don't worry: as a user of the K4, you won't have to even think about
> linux OS issues, linux commands, and other arch-nerdly stuff. Updates are
> essentially one-click (maybe two).
> >
> > It's a radio, not a computer
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> I want to check my understanding of what you just said:
> >>
> >> For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft,
> triggered a shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?
> >>
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
> >> https://www.nk7z.net
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> >>
> >> On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> >>> Greetings...
> >>> This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
> >>> I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they
> made
> >>> a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
> >>> major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the
> Linux
> >>> operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers
> are
> >>> beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
> >>> affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there
> will
> >>> be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.
> >>> Keep Well
> >>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Dave Cole]

Thanks Wayne for clearing that up...  I was getting worried there...



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On 12/6/20 9:41 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

This is not correct.

For technical reasons, we've been using a somewhat outdated Kernel during the 
past year's development. (This simplified some logistics for the team, while 
having virtually no impact on K4 users.) All current users are getting updated 
along with our development team, and it was completely painless. It'll all be 
history by the end of next week. A one-time reckoning.

Now that we've gotten this task out of the way, all future upgrades should go 
very smoothly. In the vast majority of cases only the application code will be 
updated.

And don't worry: as a user of the K4, you won't have to even think about linux 
OS issues, linux commands, and other arch-nerdly stuff. Updates are essentially 
one-click (maybe two).

It's a radio, not a computer

73,
Wayne
N6KR




On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

Hi Paul,

I want to check my understanding of what you just said:

For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft, triggered a 
shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:

Greetings...
This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they made
a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the Linux
operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers are
beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there will
be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.
Keep Well
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Grant Youngman]

That’s the best simple statement of fact I’ve seen on-line all day!

Grant NQ5T


> It's a radio, not a computer
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Wayne Burdick]

This is not correct.

For technical reasons, we've been using a somewhat outdated Kernel during the 
past year's development. (This simplified some logistics for the team, while 
having virtually no impact on K4 users.) All current users are getting updated 
along with our development team, and it was completely painless. It'll all be 
history by the end of next week. A one-time reckoning.

Now that we've gotten this task out of the way, all future upgrades should go 
very smoothly. In the vast majority of cases only the application code will be 
updated.

And don't worry: as a user of the K4, you won't have to even think about linux 
OS issues, linux commands, and other arch-nerdly stuff. Updates are essentially 
one-click (maybe two). 

It's a radio, not a computer

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Dec 6, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I want to check my understanding of what you just said:
> 
> For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft, triggered a 
> shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
>> Greetings...
>> This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
>> I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they made
>> a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
>> major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the Linux
>> operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers are
>> beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
>> affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there will
>> be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.
>> Keep Well
>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Rick Bates, NK7I]

The shortest answer is:  That's not possible. It's an evolving OS like 
any other; change is inevitable.


Rick NK7I


On 12/6/2020 4:13 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

Hi Paul,

Not to pick nits, but I would rather have them write code that does 
not worry them when the Linux kernel is updated.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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On 12/6/20 3:59 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
I believe you are correct, only Eric can tell you the exact.  I would 
rather have it that way,  It would tick me off immensely if they just 
passed through and the possible bug would show up later. They are 
more apt to play their cards a lot closer than many other manufacturers


Paul  KB9AVO

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 6:52 PM Dave Cole > wrote:


    Hi Paul,

    I want to check my understanding of what you just said:

    For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft,
    triggered a shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?

    73, and thanks,
    Dave (NK7Z)
    https://www.nk7z.net
    ARRL Volunteer Examiner
    ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
    ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

    On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
 > Greetings...
 >
 > This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
 >
 > I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that
    they made
 > a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT
    do a
 > major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in
    the Linux
 > operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field
    testers are
 > beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have 
adverse

 > affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe
    there will
 > be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed
    explanation.
 >
 > Keep Well
 >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Rick Bates, NK7I]

Usually any kernel update has to do with security issues (that's a very 
broad stroke) so freezing it would leave security gaps or known issues.


Then there are files that constantly seem to update (i.e. the time zone 
files are a constant state of update; who knew it was so tough to figure 
zone changes?).


And there may be improved drivers for the hardware, which may break 
things relying on eccentricities of the old driver...  Or drivers for 
new hardware since the last release instead of the generic driver that 
was used.


I randomly update my linux machines, no pattern at all but months apart 
is a fair guess.  They don't have many ports or services available so 
while they're still attacked, so far, there haven't been any successful 
break ins.  I also split the duties to various computers around the 
house (the router knows all and puts one linux box in the DMZ and it's 
secure enough to handle it).  Without knowing what I did, the end user 
doesn't have a clue what machine or OS I'm using.


Sometimes even the version (and support) have had a major update, which 
may change a lot of things in one pass. That's not always good.


Often the audio breaks because the app used to manipulate or process the 
audio is deprecated; so scripts or similar that call the apps must be 
adapted...


It's an evolving OS as any other, which means changes.

I'm sure Elecraft will stay on top of it.  Keep the faith.  Their name 
and rep is on the line and they treat things in that manner.


73,
Rick NK7I



On 12/6/2020 4:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Was wondering that myself, Carl.  But then, I can think of two broad 
reasons:


1.  The Linux update fixes a serious flaw that was adversely affecting 
the Elecraft FW


2.  The update does something that, if capitalized on, would have a 
serious positive effect on the Elecraft FW capability/performance


In any case, Wayne and Eric [and the rest of the crew for that matter] 
are not neophytes in this business.  I'm sure the reasons were good.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
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On 12/6/2020 4:36 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
Hmmm. Not sure why they don’t “freeze” the version of Linux that they 
have for now.





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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Dave Cole]

Hi Bill,

Hopefully Elecraft will be speedy with updates, I am sure they will be, 
as they have a superb history of support,


The security aspect was my concern-- freezing the OS is bad, and I doubt 
they will do that.


This however now brings up the question of what happens if Elecraft goes 
out of business.  Hopefully not, but it has to be looked at...


They could then Open Source the code for the rig at that point...  Maybe 
put the source in escrow now, against that eventuality, and keep the 
escrow updated with current code...


73, and thanks,
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On 12/6/20 4:53 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
It is a really poor idea to freeze an OS that is connected to the public 
Internet. You need to keep up on the security updates. (Ditto for 
Windows, MacOS, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD to mention several.)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/6/20 at 7:36 PM, cyaf...@gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) wrote:

Hmmm. Not sure why they don’t “freeze” the version of Linux that they 
have for now.



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Bill Frantz]

It is a really poor idea to freeze an OS that is connected to 
the public Internet. You need to keep up on the security 
updates. (Ditto for Windows, MacOS, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD to 
mention several.)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/6/20 at 7:36 PM, cyaf...@gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) wrote:


Hmmm. Not sure why they don’t “freeze” the version of Linux that they have for 
now.



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Fred Jensen]

Was wondering that myself, Carl.  But then, I can think of two broad 
reasons:


1.  The Linux update fixes a serious flaw that was adversely affecting 
the Elecraft FW


2.  The update does something that, if capitalized on, would have a 
serious positive effect on the Elecraft FW capability/performance


In any case, Wayne and Eric [and the rest of the crew for that matter] 
are not neophytes in this business.  I'm sure the reasons were good.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
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Washoe County

On 12/6/2020 4:36 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote:

Hmmm. Not sure why they don’t “freeze” the version of Linux that they have for 
now.




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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Carl Yaffey]

Hmmm. Not sure why they don’t “freeze” the version of Linux that they have for 
now. 

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Mark Goldberg  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 5:14 PM Dave Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> Not to pick nits, but I would rather have them write code that does not
>> worry them when the Linux kernel is updated.
> 
> Unfortunately, that is not possible.
> 
> I've been working with Linux for decades now. Unfortunately, they
> sometimes change stuff in the kernel that you never even guessed would
> change that breaks your code. It's the way it is. Sometimes it is for
> security reasons. It's just a cost of using Linux. Windows, IOS are no
> different. Stuff breaks all the time. At least with Linux you can look
> at the source code to see exactly what changed and how to fix your
> code. I expect Elecraft will get it sorted out quickly. They are smart
> folks.
> 
> 73,
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Mark Goldberg]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 5:14 PM Dave Cole  wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Not to pick nits, but I would rather have them write code that does not
> worry them when the Linux kernel is updated.

Unfortunately, that is not possible.

I've been working with Linux for decades now. Unfortunately, they
sometimes change stuff in the kernel that you never even guessed would
change that breaks your code. It's the way it is. Sometimes it is for
security reasons. It's just a cost of using Linux. Windows, IOS are no
different. Stuff breaks all the time. At least with Linux you can look
at the source code to see exactly what changed and how to fix your
code. I expect Elecraft will get it sorted out quickly. They are smart
folks.

73,

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Dave Cole]

Hi Paul,

Not to pick nits, but I would rather have them write code that does not 
worry them when the Linux kernel is updated.


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On 12/6/20 3:59 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
I believe you are correct, only Eric can tell you the exact.  I would 
rather have it that way,  It would tick me off immensely if they just 
passed through and the possible bug would show up later. They are more 
apt to play their cards a lot closer than many other manufacturers


Paul  KB9AVO

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 6:52 PM Dave Cole > wrote:


Hi Paul,

I want to check my understanding of what you just said:

For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft,
triggered a shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?

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On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
 > Greetings...
 >
 > This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
 >
 > I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that
they made
 > a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT
do a
 > major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in
the Linux
 > operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field
testers are
 > beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
 > affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe
there will
 > be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed
explanation.
 >
 > Keep Well
 >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Paul Van Dyke]

I believe you are correct, only Eric can tell you the exact.  I would
rather have it that way,  It would tick me off immensely if they just
passed through and the possible bug would show up later. They are more apt
to play their cards a lot closer than many other manufacturers

Paul  KB9AVO

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 6:52 PM Dave Cole  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> I want to check my understanding of what you just said:
>
> For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft,
> triggered a shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > Greetings...
> >
> > This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.
> >
> > I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they
> made
> > a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
> > major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the Linux
> > operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers are
> > beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
> > affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there will
> > be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.
> >
> > Keep Well
> >
> > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Dave Cole]

Hi Paul,

I want to check my understanding of what you just said:

For whatever reason, a kernel update not triggered by Elecraft, 
triggered a shipment stoppage of the K4s?  Is that correct?


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 12/6/20 3:23 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:

Greetings...

This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.

I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they made
a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the Linux
operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers are
beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there will
be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.

Keep Well

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[Elecraft] K4 Radio Update

[Paul Van Dyke]

Greetings...

This to answer more than a few emails I have gotten.

I just got off the phone with Eric WA6HHQ, and he explained that they made
a few tweeks in some of the features that are in K4. They DID NOT do a
major rewrite... But at the same time, there was an upgrade in the Linux
operating system, and Eric, Wayne, and many engineers, field testers are
beating up the code to make sure the improvements do not have adverse
affects or hidden flaws before they resume shipping. I believe there will
be a note, to all, in a week or so, giving a more detailed explanation.

Keep Well

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