Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Station recommendation
Hakko 888D. On 6/13/2016 12:00 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: Greetings Elecraft afficiados, I'm looking for a recommendation for a soldering station, my Weller temperature-controled station of 20 years is dying an agonizing death and its time to upgrade! I don't use my soldering station a lot, maybe once a month and once in a while put a kit together, so I don't need a really expensive unit, but probably one under $100 for my needs with temperature control. Any suggestions? Thanks much 73 Ed ~ k6sdw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Station recommendation
Ed: Pace ST-50 - we use them at work - can't beat 'em if you can't afford a Metcal. The tips are integrated into the heating element and they are a breeze to change. They also regulate FAST. Here's one on e-Bay for $150 (I got the same one for $100) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soldering-station-PACE-ST50-with-handpiece-and-extra-Tips-3-FREE-SHIPPING-/231974507997?hash=item3602c215dd:g:YYoAAOSwvg9XWQEx Russ KD4JO -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eddy Avila Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:00 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering Station recommendation Greetings Elecraft afficiados, I'm looking for a recommendation for a soldering station, my Weller temperature-controled station of 20 years is dying an agonizing death and its time to upgrade! I don't use my soldering station a lot, maybe once a month and once in a while put a kit together, so I don't need a really expensive unit, but probably one under $100 for my needs with temperature control. Any suggestions? Thanks much 73 Ed ~ k6sdw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mundschen...@msn.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Station recommendation
I like my Aoyue 937. Amazon has 'em for $59.95. 73, Mike NF4L > On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > > Greetings Elecraft afficiados, I'm looking for a recommendation for a > soldering station, my Weller temperature-controled station of 20 years is > dying an agonizing death and its time to upgrade! > > > I don't use my soldering station a lot, maybe once a month and once in a > while put a kit together, so I don't need a really expensive unit, but > probably one under $100 for my needs with temperature control. > > > Any suggestions? Thanks much > > > 73 > > > Ed ~ k6sdw > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Soldering Station recommendation
Greetings Elecraft afficiados, I'm looking for a recommendation for a soldering station, my Weller temperature-controled station of 20 years is dying an agonizing death and its time to upgrade! I don't use my soldering station a lot, maybe once a month and once in a while put a kit together, so I don't need a really expensive unit, but probably one under $100 for my needs with temperature control. Any suggestions? Thanks much 73 Ed ~ k6sdw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
Hi Mark, any kind of Weller is good with proper tip mounted. Do not use extremelly tiny tip as it could make warming through issues. Most important is grounding your Weller properly as same as using ESD mat grounded. Good luck in building your K1 and see you on the air soon Mark, 73 - Petr, OK1RP - http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Soldering-station-recommendation-in-preparation-for-building-a-K1-tp7613008p7613065.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
I tend to prefer my American Beauty model 3138 for light work. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendon Whateley Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:17 PM To: Edward R Cole Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 Hi Edward, Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use for that? I'm thinking of getting a hot air rework station to make life easier with SMD, which seems to be the future. - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is > essential for good soldering. It does cost double the other guys but > the "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when > solder iron is parked in its holder. It returns to 670F (temp fully > adjustable) a few seconds after I take the iron out of the holder. > This feature really extends life of the tips. Having a professional > station really makes my little business of building kits much better/easier. > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubus...@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > bren...@whateley.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
I use a WELLER SOLDERING STATION -- MODEL WTCPN 60 watt BUT my REAL recommendation is to get Kester 62, 36, 2 Sn, Pb, Ag solder. It can be had in 1# AND smaller packs. It DOES a great job. The 2% silver is what makes it work super... 73, Steve WB3LGC On 24-Jan-16 4:04 PM, Reuben Popp wrote: I built my K2 with an old Weller TC-202 I have here; it's my "go to" iron for most of my projects. That iron was "gifted" to me after serving hard time at the local community college. It's not super pretty, but it still works and well at that. You would be hard pressed to find a better deal IMO. One can generally pick them up on eBay for ~45 or more in working condition. Great iron, and as with most things Weller, one can still always find parts out there. HTH Reuben __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sm.shearer...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
I got one of these hot air rework stations with a digital temperature controlled iron on eBay in the UK. Takes regular Hakko soldering iron tips. It is model 862D+ and is well made, and excellent value for money. I already had another analog temperature controlled iron but prefer this one now. I imagine there must be equivalents available over there designed for USA voltages. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soldering-Iron-Desoldering-Unsoldering-Station-Hot-Air-Rework-Gun-Display-/181456682143 I also have a very old Weller temperature controlled iron, but as it uses the magnastat type of tips it isn't ESD safe as the tip doesn't have a solid earth connection. Saying that I have built things like 10 GHz GaAsFET preamps etc with this old iron (when I didn't know any better) with no damage. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 24 Jan 2016, at 22:17, Brendon Whateley wrote: > > Hi Edward, > > Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use for that? I'm thinking of > getting a hot air rework station to make life easier with SMD, which seems > to be the future. > > - Brendon KK6AYI > >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >> I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is >> essential for good soldering. It does cost double the other guys but the >> "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when solder iron >> is parked in its holder. It returns to 670F (temp fully adjustable) a few >> seconds after I take the iron out of the holder. This feature really >> extends life of the tips. Having a professional station really makes my >> little business of building kits much better/easier. >> >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >>"Kits made by KL7UW" >> Dubus Mag business: >>dubus...@gmail.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bren...@whateley.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4...@yahoo.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
Hi Edward, Do you do much SMD work? If so, what do you use for that? I'm thinking of getting a hot air rework station to make life easier with SMD, which seems to be the future. - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is > essential for good soldering. It does cost double the other guys but the > "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when solder iron > is parked in its holder. It returns to 670F (temp fully adjustable) a few > seconds after I take the iron out of the holder. This feature really > extends life of the tips. Having a professional station really makes my > little business of building kits much better/easier. > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubus...@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bren...@whateley.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
I built my K2 with an old Weller TC-202 I have here; it's my "go to" iron for most of my projects. That iron was "gifted" to me after serving hard time at the local community college. It's not super pretty, but it still works and well at that. You would be hard pressed to find a better deal IMO. One can generally pick them up on eBay for ~45 or more in working condition. Great iron, and as with most things Weller, one can still always find parts out there. HTH Reuben __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
I have the Hakko 936D which isn't made anymore. It's been replaced by the FX-888. I second Don's recommendation for the 1/16" chisel tip. I built my loaded K2/100, KAT-100, 2T-gen, N-Gen, and XG2 with the 936 using the 1/16" and 1/8" chisel tips. On 1/23/2016 9:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote: Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] : Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
I have the genuine HAKKO FX-951 (ESD safe) solder station which is essential for good soldering. It does cost double the other guys but the "sleep" mode is very nice as tip temp is dropped to 450F when solder iron is parked in its holder. It returns to 670F (temp fully adjustable) a few seconds after I take the iron out of the holder. This feature really extends life of the tips. Having a professional station really makes my little business of building kits much better/easier. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Soldering Station Recommendation
On the advice of Jim, K9YC, I bought a Hakko to build a K2 recently, along with a couple of tips of different sizes as Don, W3FPR, suggests. Worked great. I haven¹t built a K1, but based on my experience with a K2 I would strongly recommend you buy a ³solder sucker² as well. Very inexpensive, works amazingly well, and saves a great deal of embarassment. Ted, KN1CBR -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM To: elecr...@qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. -- Mark __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
I've got the digital readout WESD51, very pleased, and good assortment of tips available. Barry N1EU On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:13 AM, AB2E Darrell wrote: > Ditto here on the WES51 solder station, very well-built and reliable. > 73 Darrell AB2E > > > From: Elecraft on behalf of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:47 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation > forbuilding a K1 > > Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice. > > Phil W7OX > > On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote: > > > > Hi I use a Weller WES51. You can get it and all > > accessories at digikey > > 73 Tom > > va2fsq.com > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM > > To: elecr...@qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station > > recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 > > > > Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, > > and am seeking a > > recommendation for a temperature controlled > > soldering station > > mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thank you. > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a...@hotmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.ba...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
Ditto here on the WES51 solder station, very well-built and reliable. 73 Darrell AB2E From: Elecraft on behalf of Phil Wheeler Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:47 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice. Phil W7OX On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote: > > Hi I use a Weller WES51. You can get it and all > accessories at digikey > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > > > -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM > To: elecr...@qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station > recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 > > Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, > and am seeking a > recommendation for a temperature controlled > soldering station > mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to a...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
Mark, Most any temperature controlled soldering station will do a good job for you. I use the Hakko 936 soldering station although I believe that has been discontinued. Circuit Specialists does have a knock-off of the Hakko 936 which takes the same tips. You might want to consider something like that. You want an iron that can be adjusted in temperature and has replacable tips. I like the 1/16 inch screwdriver tip for most applications - the flats on the tip will transfer heat better than a conical tip, but your experience may vary, there are many who swear by the conical tips. Do not use a regular non-temperature controlled soldering iron. They get too hot and can damage the board. Those irons were fine when soldering to vacuum tube bases, but those days are in the past unless you are restoring boat anchor gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/23/2016 10:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote: Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
I have the Hako FX888D I love it. I work in electronics manufacturing and our factory equipment guy recommended them. http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_1_5_acs_h_2i_2593162011_13837391?ie=UTF8&qid=1453611442&sr=8-5-acs&node=13837391&srs=2593162011&field-keywords=hakko+soldering+station On 1/23/2016 9:11 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote: Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
Here a WES51, too. An excellent choice. Phil W7OX On 1/23/16 8:01 PM, Tom wrote: Hi I use a Weller WES51. You can get it and all accessories at digikey 73 Tom va2fsq.com -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM To: elecr...@qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
Circuit Specialists in the Phoenix area has a nice assortment. I have found them a reliable mail order source as have others. Just a customer. <http://www.circuitspecialists.com/soldering-stations> David K0LUM > On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Tom wrote: > > > Hi I use a Weller WES51. You can get it and all accessories at digikey > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > > > -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM > To: elecr...@qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for > building a K1 > > Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a > recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station > mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you. > > -- > Mark > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radio...@mchsi.com David K0LUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1
Hi I use a Weller WES51. You can get it and all accessories at digikey 73 Tom va2fsq.com -Original Message- From: Mark Petrovic Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:11 PM To: elecr...@qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation forbuilding a K1 Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. -- Mark __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station recommendation in preparation for building a K1
Hi. I am preparing to build the Elecraft K1, and am seeking a recommendation for a temperature controlled soldering station mentioned in the K1 assembly guide. Any suggestions? Thank you. -- Mark __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
Mike, that is the replacement heating element. James K2QI --Original Message-- From: Mike Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net To: Elecraft Reflector ReplyTo: n...@nf4l.com Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station Sent: Dec 26, 2010 07:38 I got an AOYUE 937+ soldering station for Christmas, to build Elecraft kits with, of course. Included (in a plastic bag of its own) was a plastic rod with 4 wires sticking out of it. No mention in the manual, and I can't divine its purpose. It's about 6" long. Anybody know what it is? 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
On 12/26/2010 8:01 AM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote: >> "Mike" == Mike writes: > > Mike> I got an AOYUE 937+ soldering station for Christmas, to build > Mike> Elecraft kits with, of course. > > Mike> Included (in a plastic bag of its own) was a plastic rod with > Mike> 4 wires sticking out of it. No mention in the manual, and I > Mike> can't divine its purpose. It's about 6" long. Anybody know > Mike> what it is? > > maybe the spare heating element: > > > http://www.aoyue.com/en/ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=373 > > " > > Package content: > > 937 station, B001 Soldering iron, 2630 Soldering iron holder, C001 Soldering > iron spare heating element. > > " > > BINGO, that looks like it. Not a mention in the manual. 73, Mike __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Soldering station
I got an AOYUE 937+ soldering station for Christmas, to build Elecraft kits with, of course. Included (in a plastic bag of its own) was a plastic rod with 4 wires sticking out of it. No mention in the manual, and I can't divine its purpose. It's about 6" long. Anybody know what it is? 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Bob - IF you are looking for ANY Weller parts, contact me -- I will be happy to help or just advise. Read the eHam.net forum and ASK questions HERE, OR send me a personal e-mail. So tidbits, not yet mentioned. 1. The Weller WLC100 (orange station) is an OEM light dimmer and ungrounded iron. NOT ESD, Grounded or Temperature controlled. I do not recommend for Elecraft K1 or K2 builders. 2. The Haako 936-12 while widely popular (and copied/clones by every mfg. in China) -- has been discontinued by Haako earlier this year! http://www.hakko.com/english/discontinue/index.html It has been replaced by the new Haako FX-888 http://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fx888.html 3. The Weller WES-51 and WESD-51 are very good stations and use the same ET tips that were used with the Weller "EC" series (1975-2002) 4. Aouye is one of the better known Haako clone makers from China. The Chinese ceramic heaters are not as good as the Japanese original product from Haako (The Chinese have yet to perfect quality control at Japanese levels -- so keep that in mind if you purchase that route). I have a demo WSD81 soldering station (WSP80 iron) with the hard to find base programmer that I would like to pass on to an Elecraft builder. IF you have a broken Weller unit, I do have documentation and parts for the older TCP units (e.g. SFA-1 springs and funnels for original PU-1 units) -- documentation can be found on BAMA from my library. Lastly, in 1957 Carl Weller, founder of Weller Electric wrote in his US Patent application the foundation and definition for temperature controlled soldering. It is freely available US document for any citizen to read and understand. For the Metcal/OKI crowd -- the OKI stations are based upon Carl's Magnetic Switch (Magnistat) works and acknowledges his 3 patents in their products as well as an earlier 1905 US patent for induction heating - the foundation for their RF/induction tip heating method. Greg w9gb - Original Message - From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] soldering station > The Weller WES51 and the Aoyue 937 were both highly recommended (I don't > have experience with either. I use a Hakko 936, also an excellent > soldering > station). The Hakko has a grounded tip. I don't know whether the others > are > isolated or grounded. > > I note that Amazon.com has a sale going on featuring the WES51 and Aoyue > 937. Don't know how competitive the prices are overall - I didn't check > other sites. > > Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > > Gang > > last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered one > I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but > could > someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station > I believe it had an isolated tip etc > > Bob K3DJC > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] soldering station
A few years ago I needed to get a new soldering station suitable for SMT work. Since my old station made by Weller was still going strong after some 40 years, I looked to the same brand. Almost got a WES51, but then I noticed that I could have an 80 watt unit, WD1002, that still had a very compact pencil (50 mm from tip to handle) and with a wide selection of very fine tips. This unit was touted as particularly good for lead-free work, likely to become common soon. I splurged and got this unit that is currently about $300. Maybe overkill for an amateur, but I don't think I will need to buy another in my lifetime. The unit consists of a WD1 power station with digital display, a pencil stand and a WP80 pencil. 3 pushbuttons allow easy change between 3 favorite adjustable temperatures. ESD safe of course. The tip is connected to a jack on the power unit, and can be left floating or connected to ground or a potential of your choosing. In today's economic climate I might have gone for the cheaper unit, but no regrets, I enjoy this unit every time I use it. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Well, my favorite is the METCAL PS2E-01. Takes all tip configurations and temp ranges. An older unit, but has never failed in over 15 years. Price used is $130 up but worth every penny. Check them out on the web. Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 9:48:11 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] soldering station Egad! Are they still around? Decades ago we used to make "variable temperature" irons plugging a conventional iron into a Variac. The ARRL handbook included a piece on using a (then new) lamp dimmer to vary the power to a conventional iron. I can say for from experience that the Hakko has a temp sensor and is variable temperature. It is spec'd at maintaining idle tip temperature within 1 degree C. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- One point not mentioned earlier is that there's a difference between "temperature control," where the tip contains a sensor and soldering stations advertised as "variable temperature." The better stations contain a tip temperature sensor. It's easy to be deceived in purchasing the wrong type of station based on unusually low price and the wording used in an ad. Paul, W9AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Egad! Are they still around? Decades ago we used to make "variable temperature" irons plugging a conventional iron into a Variac. The ARRL handbook included a piece on using a (then new) lamp dimmer to vary the power to a conventional iron. I can say for from experience that the Hakko has a temp sensor and is variable temperature. It is spec'd at maintaining idle tip temperature within 1 degree C. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- One point not mentioned earlier is that there's a difference between "temperature control," where the tip contains a sensor and soldering stations advertised as "variable temperature." The better stations contain a tip temperature sensor. It's easy to be deceived in purchasing the wrong type of station based on unusually low price and the wording used in an ad. Paul, W9AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
One point not mentioned earlier is that there's a difference between "temperature control," where the tip contains a sensor and soldering stations advertised as "variable temperature." The better stations contain a tip temperature sensor. It's easy to be deceived in purchasing the wrong type of station based on unusually low price and the wording used in an ad. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] soldering station > The Weller WES51 and the Aoyue 937 were both highly recommended (I don't > have experience with either. I use a Hakko 936, also an excellent > soldering > station). The Hakko has a grounded tip. I don't know whether the others > are > isolated or grounded. > > I note that Amazon.com has a sale going on featuring the WES56 and Aoyue > 937. Don't know how competitive the prices are overall - I didn't check > other sites. > > Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > > Gang > > last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered one > I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but > could > someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station > I believe it had an isolated tip etc > > Bob K3DJC > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
The Weller WES51 and the Aoyue 937 were both highly recommended (I don't have experience with either. I use a Hakko 936, also an excellent soldering station). The Hakko has a grounded tip. I don't know whether the others are isolated or grounded. I note that Amazon.com has a sale going on featuring the WES56 and Aoyue 937. Don't know how competitive the prices are overall - I didn't check other sites. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Gang last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered one I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but could someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station I believe it had an isolated tip etc Bob K3DJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] soldering station
Hi James, Very true indeed. If I were using soldering iron for a living, I would go for the best without single hesitation. At first, I also hesitate to use Aoyue 937 until I saw them frequently used in local repair shops. cheers, Johnny VR2XMC - 郵件原件 寄件人﹕ James Sarte 收件人﹕ d...@w3fpr.com 副本(CC) elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 3:13:07 PM 主題: Re: [Elecraft] Re: soldering station Hi Don, The Aoyue 937 that I have isn't as well built as its American counterparts. However, it gets the job done well at an affordable price. Personally, I don't solder too often, so spending a lot of money on a quality station didn't really make sense to me. On the other hand, someone like you or someone who uses a soldering iron for a living should definitely invest in a better product. There's no argument from me there. BTW, the tips that I purchased all came from Stan Rubinstein and Associates here in the USA: http://www.sra-solder.com/ The tips also work in the Hakko units. 73, James K2QI On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Perhaps this is the soldering station being sold by Circuit > Specialists that looks like a Hakko 936 "knockoff". > I buy quality tools, and do not fool with less expensive imitations. In > my experience, that has been a good decision. The times I have tried > inexpensive substitutes, there has always been some sort of > disappointment - like finding parts at a later date, or cheap tools that > break and cause injury (the best example is inexpensive mechanics > wrenches). > When I am in the market for tools, I will choose quality and proven > reliability over price - low quality tools can be dangerous in my > experience. While cost is still a consideration, if one is to have > these tools for years, quality and a reliable source of replacement > parts should be a major factor. > > A Chinese "knockoff" that you must purchase tips from Japan to obtain > similar performance does not sound like a good and long life alternative > to me. > > 73, > Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] soldering station - desoldering gun
On the other hand, my desoldering gun is from Goot. I don't feel Chinese made desoldering gun is good. I think Chinese made soldering stations are ok and they are widely used in radio repair shops in Hong Kong. Regrettably, I still can't find a Chinese made desoldering gun up to my satisfaction. cheers, Johnny VR2XMC - 郵件原件 寄件人﹕ Johnny Siu 收件人﹕ Paul Christensen ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 11:13:44 AM 主題: soldering station Oh yes, my Aoyue only costs me US$20 in Hong Kong. cheers, Johnny VR2XMC - 郵件原件 寄件人﹕ Paul Christensen 收件人﹕ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 11:10:56 AM 主題: Re: [Elecraft] Re: soldering station The Aoyue, CSI, and Hakko should use interchangeable tips and heaters. The Aoyue 937/937+ appears identical to the Circuit Specialist (CSI) and essentially the same has the Hakko 936/937. Analog Aoyue/CSI sells for about USD $40. Digital about $5 more. I think if I was going to pay Hakko's price, I would lean toward the Weller WES51 at USD $95. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: "James Sarte" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: soldering station >I use an Aoyue 937+ which I bought for around 50 dollars. Has lots of tip > choices. I believe the Hakko tips will fit also. This soldering station's > temperature is digitally controlled and the tip is ESD protected. > > 73, > James K2QI > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Perhaps this is the soldering station being sold by Circuit >> Specialists that looks like a Hakko 936 "knockoff". >> I buy quality tools, and do not fool with less expensive imitations. In >> my experience, that has been a good decision. The times I have tried >> inexpensive substitutes, there has always been some sort of >> disappointment - like finding parts at a later date, or cheap tools that >> break and cause injury (the best example is inexpensive mechanics >> wrenches). >> When I am in the market for tools, I will choose quality and proven >> reliability over price - low quality tools can be dangerous in my >> experience. While cost is still a consideration, if one is to have >> these tools for years, quality and a reliable source of replacement >> parts should be a major factor. >> >> A Chinese "knockoff" that you must purchase tips from Japan to obtain >> similar performance does not sound like a good and long life alternative >> to me. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 11/13/2010 9:24 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> > Hello Gentleman, >> > >> > I am using a 'Chinese version' of Hakko 936 which is 1/4 of the price. >> The >> > trick is to replace the original soldering tip with the same from >> > 'Goot' >> - made >> > in Japan. >> > cheers, >> > >> > >> > Johnny VR2XMC >> > >> > >> > >> > - 郵件原件 >> > 寄件人﹕ Don Wilhelm >> > 收件人﹕ riese-k3...@juno.com >> > 副本(CC) Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> > 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 10:18:21 AM >> > 主題: Re: [Elecraft] soldering station >> > >> > Bob, >> > >> > The Hakko 936 gets very high marks with most of those who have one, but >> > there are others that are also good. >> > >> > 73, >> > Don W3FPR >> > >> > On 11/13/2010 8:48 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote: >> >> Gang >> >> >> >> last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered >> one >> >> I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but >> >> could >> >> someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station >> >> I believe it had an isolated tip etc >> >> >> >> Bob K3DJC >> > >> > >> > >> > __ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
As we consider the lowly soldering station, may I ask the consesus of the hot air/soldering station combo... i.e. which is the preferred, and has the best longevity? I've had two of the KADA 852 units and three hot air guns break, within hours of initial use. Anyone for any better results? I need hot air, temp and volume controllable, and a temp controlled solder iron similar to the weller. AND.. it would be real nice if it would shut itself off after a short period of nonuse. Say... 10 minutes. And the hot air gun/wand, could shut off when returned to its holder. Not a tuff circuit to build. Any suggestions? And no, I am not looking for the $1000 plus machines either. --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] soldering station
Oh yes, my Aoyue only costs me US$20 in Hong Kong. cheers, Johnny VR2XMC - 郵件原件 寄件人﹕ Paul Christensen 收件人﹕ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 11:10:56 AM 主題: Re: [Elecraft] Re: soldering station The Aoyue, CSI, and Hakko should use interchangeable tips and heaters. The Aoyue 937/937+ appears identical to the Circuit Specialist (CSI) and essentially the same has the Hakko 936/937. Analog Aoyue/CSI sells for about USD $40. Digital about $5 more. I think if I was going to pay Hakko's price, I would lean toward the Weller WES51 at USD $95. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: "James Sarte" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: soldering station >I use an Aoyue 937+ which I bought for around 50 dollars. Has lots of tip > choices. I believe the Hakko tips will fit also. This soldering station's > temperature is digitally controlled and the tip is ESD protected. > > 73, > James K2QI > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Perhaps this is the soldering station being sold by Circuit >> Specialists that looks like a Hakko 936 "knockoff". >> I buy quality tools, and do not fool with less expensive imitations. In >> my experience, that has been a good decision. The times I have tried >> inexpensive substitutes, there has always been some sort of >> disappointment - like finding parts at a later date, or cheap tools that >> break and cause injury (the best example is inexpensive mechanics >> wrenches). >> When I am in the market for tools, I will choose quality and proven >> reliability over price - low quality tools can be dangerous in my >> experience. While cost is still a consideration, if one is to have >> these tools for years, quality and a reliable source of replacement >> parts should be a major factor. >> >> A Chinese "knockoff" that you must purchase tips from Japan to obtain >> similar performance does not sound like a good and long life alternative >> to me. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 11/13/2010 9:24 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> > Hello Gentleman, >> > >> > I am using a 'Chinese version' of Hakko 936 which is 1/4 of the price. >> The >> > trick is to replace the original soldering tip with the same from >> > 'Goot' >> - made >> > in Japan. >> > cheers, >> > >> > >> > Johnny VR2XMC >> > >> > >> > >> > - 郵件原件 >> > 寄件人﹕ Don Wilhelm >> > 收件人﹕ riese-k3...@juno.com >> > 副本(CC) Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> > 傳送日期﹕ 2010/11/14 (日) 10:18:21 AM >> > 主題: Re: [Elecraft] soldering station >> > >> > Bob, >> > >> > The Hakko 936 gets very high marks with most of those who have one, but >> > there are others that are also good. >> > >> > 73, >> > Don W3FPR >> > >> > On 11/13/2010 8:48 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote: >> >> Gang >> >> >> >> last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered >> one >> >> I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but >> >> could >> >> someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station >> >> I believe it had an isolated tip etc >> >> >> >> Bob K3DJC >> > >> > >> > >> > __ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > 73 de James K2QI > President UNARC/4U1UN > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Bob, The Hakko 936 gets very high marks with most of those who have one, but there are others that are also good. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/13/2010 8:48 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote: > Gang > > last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered one > I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but > could > someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station > I believe it had an isolated tip etc > > Bob K3DJC > > > Get Free Email with Video Mail& Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Gang last week there was a thread on soldering stations,, before I ordered one I lost a week of e mail... I dont want to start the thread again but could someone off list give me a head up on the recommended station I believe it had an isolated tip etc Bob K3DJC Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Soldering Station Choice
Thanks to all who replied. Lots of information was received and even some that I need to sift through on assembly of the K2/100. Real good stuff. Now for the winner of the soldering station choices. I went with the Weller WESD51. After reviewing things and realizing my 11 year old son KC2WWC will inherit everything from me at some point, I figured I would spend a bit more and get the Weller with a track record. I guess he will get the K2/100 as well!!Darn, can't take it with me! 73 de WN2K Paul __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
Nelson Wittstock K8DJC wrote: > > Since I would like to keep updating my > K3 it looks like I will need to buy a soldering station. In looking > through > Googled references I see many stations in the $100 and up range. Is it > absolutely necessary to spend that much to ensure the safety of my radio > or > are there some less expensive suitable alternatives? > No it's not necessary. The Circuit Specialists CSI-STATION1A is a virtual clone of the Hakko 936...same circuit diagram, same ESD protection, same physical construction and uses the same tips...but it only costs $39.95. http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307 It comes with a 0.8 mm conical tip (good for fine pitch SMD digital devices) but I would also recommend a 1.6 mm chisel tip (KD-M-1.6D for $4.95) for general use (including all recent K3 mods, K2 thru-hole assembly, etc). If you order at least $50.00 worth, you can also get a DMM free. http://www.circuitspecialists.com/level.itml/icOid/190 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Soldering-station-tp16385427p16387186.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Soldering station
I just ordered the new KXV3 RXA board for my K3. The instructions state requirements for the soldering station to be used in the installation of the new board. My workshop has never had need for "high tech" soldering and consequently I do not own a soldering station. I have several assorted soldering irons and guns that have served me well in the past but I guess I will have to join the modern world. Since I would like to keep updating my K3 it looks like I will need to buy a soldering station. In looking through Googled references I see many stations in the $100 and up range. Is it absolutely necessary to spend that much to ensure the safety of my radio or are there some less expensive suitable alternatives? Nelson - K8DJC -- That mod is one of the easiest in terms of soldering. You are soldering two fine wires to closely-spaced connector terminals that, if overheated, will melt the connector header or lift traces. But it's not nearly as critical as many component installations in other locations. Two more leads are connected to BNC connector terminals that require significant heat in any case. The RXA board comes with the leads pre-attached, so there's no soldering to do to the RXA board itself. It's a judgment call. Elecraft wants you to be successful and your chance of having trouble is greatly reduced by using the right tools, and a good soldering station is a tool you'll use again and again if you do any work on your rigs. You can get away with less. I've repaired a lot of SMD circuit boards sitting cross-legged on the deck in the navigating bridge of a ship using a portable butane-powered soldering iron while holding a flashlight in my teeth. I've also had lots and lots of practice over decades of soldering that lets me judge the temperature of the tip by the smell and, by being very, very careful, I've yet to destroy a board or parts. I did have the advantage of "growing up" with the pc board industry, first working on boards back in the 1960s that had large push-in pins to which leads were soldered, then boards with big thick, wide traces that have slowly evolved into the tissue-thin, tiny traces we find on many boards today. Even so, whenever possible I'll use a temperature-controlled soldering station in a comfortable, well-lit shop. Over time, I've found that a good soldering station costs me pennies a month to own and use. I don't consider that too much to spend to protect circuit boards, almost any one of which is worth more than the iron. I currently have a Hakko 936 that cost me less than $100 several years ago from www.tequipment.net. Bottom line, it's a matter of how skilled you are at soldering and how much risk you are comfortable taking with the pc board and components. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station
I just ordered the new KXV3 RXA board for my K3. The instructions state requirements for the soldering station to be used in the installation of the new board. My workshop has never had need for "high tech" soldering and consequently I do not own a soldering station. I have several assorted soldering irons and guns that have served me well in the past but I guess I will have to join the modern world. Since I would like to keep updating my K3 it looks like I will need to buy a soldering station. In looking through Googled references I see many stations in the $100 and up range. Is it absolutely necessary to spend that much to ensure the safety of my radio or are there some less expensive suitable alternatives? Nelson - K8DJC -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5355 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering Station
Tom asks, <...What is the best soldering station to use in construction a K2- and why ? The one you already have! Which, in my case is a good ol' Weller WTCPT, which I've owned since 1980 or so. I use the smallest conical tip, 700 degrees F, which appears to work quite well. It's also useful for assembling adapter cables, soldering RF connectors (small ones!) and the like. (Who don't manufacturers standardize on connectors?) 73 de Art KD4CSO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] soldering station
I notice the "Hakko Clone" at http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307 has apparently sold near 20 units in the past few days. Regards, Dick - KA5KKT/4 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Tom, The 'best' soldering station is a personal choice. If you do a lot of soldering, choose one from the semi-professional class (Hakko, Weller, etc.) which will offer a lasting supply of replacement parts, tips and other related items. If you plan only to build the K2 and its options, a lesser price soldering station will do the job adequately. Let your ham budget and your personal preferences be your guide. 73, Don W3FPR Sain'T Tom wrote: What is the best soldering station to use in construction a K2- and why ? Thanks/73 Tom K4RV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station
Sain'T Tom wrote: What is the best soldering station to use in construction a K2- and why ? to help you catch up with what has already been posted on this topic, may I suggest you check out the reflector archives, you might start here: http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html where you will find a link to the most recent archives: http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/ I got 23 hits for "soldering station" and another 8 hits for "soldering stations" -- GB & 73's KA5OAI Sam Morgan ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] soldering station
What is the best soldering station to use in construction a K2- and why ? Thanks/73 Tom K4RV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who
> As you'd expect, for professional use, the Pace and > the Metcal are the most costly - and the "best" at > what they do. I'm curious what makes one unit better than another other than the obvious differences between a temperature-controlled iron and a $10 radio shack unit. Are you thinking of technical issues like recovery time and supporting multiple irons/accessories or is it subjective issues like size, weight, feel, cord length, etc? I've got a Hakko 936 that does a fine job, and I'm having a hard time imagining what else it could do that would make it "better". I thought I'd chime in here about Metcal - I bought a Metcal SP200 on advice from a friend some years ago (late 90s); the SP200 was at the time probably their cheapest and most basic model, and I hadn't heard of hakko, etc. It was not terribly expensive, but at the high end of pricing for some other types I looked at (I don't recall how much.) Anyway, the Metcal (at least this one) has no controls at all - just on/off - temperature is controlled by interaction of the power supply and composition of materials in the body of the tip, but as I began using it, I discovered it could handle very tiny soldering without overheating (or underheating) the joint then quickly handle a very large, thermally massive object (such as tinning or soldering a large metal object such as a PL259), and then be able to go back to some small solder joint, all without waiting but a few seconds at most between applications or from a cold start (I can hear the power supply unit hum slightly when it's heating the solder tip, and the hum would persist a bit more while soldering a large object.) From what I've read recently about soldering with the new types of non-lead solder involved (I've not tried), I'm not sure if it would be satisfactory (perhaps it's got an upgrade - I haven't checked) as the temperature is set by the tip itself and seemed calibrated to garden-variety solder of the time. Anyway, just posting this to help satisfy curiosity about Metcal... 73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station info
I'll second all of that!! Good rundown on slobbering irons. I deal in electronic surplus and see broken temp-adjustable irons all the time, at the same time there are tons of Magnetrol type Wellers out there, some as old as I am, still working fine. (Got the tuner, key, and first part of my KX1 done with my trusty Weller myself last night.) 73 de Alex NS6Y On Apr 15, 2006, at 6:55 AM, G. Beat wrote: Some comments, each station design has its strengths and weaknesses The Haako 936 uses ceramic heaters - some users swear by them other swear at them. The true Haako replacement heaters are NOT cheap - and their are already Chinese copies of poorer quality (users beware of future "cheap" replacements. IF you drop the iron - the ceramic can (and does crack) - causing failures. The Weller "EC" series (EC1002, EC2002) was discontinued by Weller in 2002. The Weller WES51 (WES50 earlier) was introduced around 1999 as a direct competitor for the Haako 936. The Pace ST-25 is also of this same "class" of station The price points (~ $90 ) are virtually identical for the Haako 936 and WES51 (Fry's Electronics still has cheapest price for a walk-in store purchase in US) - both are temperature controlled (knob up front) - as well as the Pace. The WES51 offers a magnetic wand to "set" or "lock" the temperature. The replacement iron for the WES51 is $30 .. significantly less than the Haako or its heater. The more expensive units (Hakko, OKI, Weller, Pace etc.) feature temperature set-backs The Weller "TCP" series is still a tremendous bargain (and still made after 40 years of production and 50 years after first patent filing. Either used or new - any competent Elecraft builder can repair it ! The surface mounted control board (knob and all) stations -- require expensive control boards, thermostats or heater assemblies - and MUST be properly calibrated for temperature - or the knob has NO meaning !! w9gb Sometime simplicity Like you, I have a Hakko 936. The reason I like it over the Weller in a $100 soldering station is for the Hakko's front-panel temperature control instead of changing tips to change temperatures. Of course Weller offers front-panel temperature change too, but at substantially more money than the Hakko. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] soldering station info
Some comments, each station design has its strengths and weaknesses The Haako 936 uses ceramic heaters - some users swear by them other swear at them. The true Haako replacement heaters are NOT cheap - and their are already Chinese copies of poorer quality (users beware of future "cheap" replacements. IF you drop the iron - the ceramic can (and does crack) - causing failures. The Weller "EC" series (EC1002, EC2002) was discontinued by Weller in 2002. The Weller WES51 (WES50 earlier) was introduced around 1999 as a direct competitor for the Haako 936. The Pace ST-25 is also of this same "class" of station The price points (~ $90 ) are virtually identical for the Haako 936 and WES51 (Fry's Electronics still has cheapest price for a walk-in store purchase in US) - both are temperature controlled (knob up front) - as well as the Pace. The WES51 offers a magnetic wand to "set" or "lock" the temperature. The replacement iron for the WES51 is $30 .. significantly less than the Haako or its heater. The more expensive units (Hakko, OKI, Weller, Pace etc.) feature temperature set-backs The Weller "TCP" series is still a tremendous bargain (and still made after 40 years of production and 50 years after first patent filing. Either used or new - any competent Elecraft builder can repair it ! The surface mounted control board (knob and all) stations -- require expensive control boards, thermostats or heater assemblies - and MUST be properly calibrated for temperature - or the knob has NO meaning !! w9gb Sometime simplicity Like you, I have a Hakko 936. The reason I like it over the Weller in a $100 soldering station is for the Hakko's front-panel temperature control instead of changing tips to change temperatures. Of course Weller offers front-panel temperature change too, but at substantially more money than the Hakko. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who does it all day: slightly OT
There are cheapie soldering irons made by almost everyone, including Weller. The minimum Weller model is the WTCPT, the minimum Hakko is whatever model is in that same price range. 73 de Alex NS6Y On Apr 14, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: The Pace and Edsyn soldering stations are in the $130 range. The OKI (was Metcal) soldering stations like the Wellers with front-panel temperature controls get up near $200. Of course, they all have special purpose tools that cost much, much more, but which do different things such as provide far higher heats one would ever use on a PCB (up to 1000F), desoldering tools, etc. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who does it all day: slightly OT
On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: The Pace and Edsyn soldering stations are in the $130 range. The OKI (was Metcal) soldering stations like the Wellers with front-panel temperature controls get up near $200. Of course, they all have special purpose tools that cost much, much more, but which do different things such as provide far higher heats one would ever use on a PCB (up to 1000F), desoldering tools, etc. Like you, I have a Hakko 936. The reason I like it over the Weller in a $100 soldering station is for the Hakko's front-panel temperature control instead of changing tips to change temperatures. Of course Weller offers front-panel temperature change too, but at substantially more money than the Hakko. The premium for a Weller soldering station isn't quite that much if you shop around a bit. There are several variable-temperature Weller models available. The one which is most like the Hakko 936 is the WES-51. I bought the predecessor WES-50 for about $90 a few years back and a quick Google search found the WES-51 for $99 at Action. I also have a Xytronic which is quite similar and was in the $60 range when I bought mine about ten years ago. 73, Bob, N7XY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who does it all day: slightly OT
Craig, NZ0R asked: I'm curious what makes one unit better than another other than the obvious differences between a temperature-controlled iron and a $10 radio shack unit. Are you thinking of technical issues like recovery time and supporting multiple irons/accessories or is it subjective issues like size, weight, feel, cord length, etc? I've got a Hakko 936 that does a fine job, and I'm having a hard time imagining what else it could do that would make it "better". If you look at the soldering stations offered by these manufacturers, there is little difference in price or features compared to the Hakko. The Pace and Edsyn soldering stations are in the $130 range. The OKI (was Metcal) soldering stations like the Wellers with front-panel temperature controls get up near $200. Of course, they all have special purpose tools that cost much, much more, but which do different things such as provide far higher heats one would ever use on a PCB (up to 1000F), desoldering tools, etc. Like you, I have a Hakko 936. The reason I like it over the Weller in a $100 soldering station is for the Hakko's front-panel temperature control instead of changing tips to change temperatures. Of course Weller offers front-panel temperature change too, but at substantially more money than the Hakko. In the sort of work I do servicing and building I find that it's important to crank up the temperature for soldering large pads or those connected to a ground plane, or for those fairly rare occasions that I use desoldering braid instead of my pump. Maybe I'm a bit lazy, but if I'm faced with changing a soldering tip to change temperature, it's too easy for me to try to use the cooler tip for those things and "cook" the pads longer than I should. The danger of debonding a trace or pad has to do with how long it is kept hot as well as with how hot it gets. Indeed, keeping the time the pad is hot at a minimum may be more important the temperature used. With the Hakko, I crank up the knob to 800F and by the time I've grabbed the iron and got it to the work, the tip is up to the requested temperature. Set it back to 700F for routine work and it's ready to solder small pads and joints without excess heating of the PCB or parts. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who does it all day: slightly OT
> As you'd expect, for professional use, the Pace and > the Metcal are the most costly - and the "best" at > what they do. I'm curious what makes one unit better than another other than the obvious differences between a temperature-controlled iron and a $10 radio shack unit. Are you thinking of technical issues like recovery time and supporting multiple irons/accessories or is it subjective issues like size, weight, feel, cord length, etc? I've got a Hakko 936 that does a fine job, and I'm having a hard time imagining what else it could do that would make it "better". Craig NZ0R K1 #1966 K2/100 #4941 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] soldering station info, from a guy who does it all day: slightly OT
I am fortunate enough to have, either at work or at home, at least one each of the several top-grade soldering stations Pace, Metcal, Hakko, Edsyn, Weller ... and several versions of each of these manufacturers' product lines as well, in some cases. As you'd expect, for professional use, the Pace and the Metcal are the most costly - and the "best" at what they do. In general, some of these stations cost far more than a completely loaded K2, putting them out of consideration for someone doing hobby work! And, for hobby work, the reality is that almost any decent, temperature-controlled iron will do nicely. Your K2 (or any Elecraft kit) is REALLY engineered to be straightforward to do, and doesn't take much in the way of specialized tools. It *IS* much easier with a good iron, to be certain, and such can be had for $40-$125 new, depending on how fancy you want to get, or a fraction of that cost used. Definition of a 'good iron' is one that isn't a $10 non-temp-controlled pencil, and which also has a tip suitable for use on common DIP parts, and which is used with a suitable way of keeping the tip clean and tinned. To answer the next question ... what do I use myself, since I do this for a living? Well, at home, I have two WTCP- series Wellers, plus a Metcal 500 dual-output unit, with an RM3 iron using 700 degree tips, and Talon/TATC tweezers, and a Hakko 808. At work, my personal bench hols a pair of Weller stations, one WSL2 and a WSL, supporting two irons on the WSL2 and hot tweezers on the WSL, and another Hakko 808. The manufacturing shop uses top-line Pace gear, mostly, and some trusty old Edsyns too, which don't get the applause they deserve. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Soldering station report
> Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:18:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Baugh, W5EZY > Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station report > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Hey, guys, I just purchased one of the Circuit > Specialist CSI Station1 ESD Safe soldering stations > for $34.95. I really like it. I have been using a > borrowed Weller WTCPT, and the CSI1 is every bit as > good or better plus it has temperature control at the twist > of a knob. You can't beat it for the price. You can > get a CSI Station2 with digital display of temperature, but I > see that as something else to fail, then you don't > know what your temperature is. You know the old principle... > KISS. If you're on a budget, this is a good one. > I have no financial interest in Circuit Specialists or > this product. > > 73, > Mark Baugh > W5EZY Mark, It is always useful to get reviews of new tools and products - such as the CSI Station1. http://www.web-tronics.com/cispdeesdsas.html The adjustable temperature stations (e.g., CSI Station1, Haako 936-12, Weller WES51, Pace ST-25) are convenient -- BUT they can often teach newcomers improper soldering knowledge, skills and techniques. Specifically, the proper usage (and balance) of tip profile, tip mass and temperature for soldering. Unfortunately, this sometimes requires the change of a soldering tip to get the proper mass or profile. For example, when changing from PC board soldering to wire lugs or large pins on switches, jacks and plugs. The Elecraft kit builds are often properly structured to allow the usage of a given tip per session or module - before requiring a change to a better sized tip. If I would add one item to the build instructions, it would be a reminder to builders about this point. Fortunately, you previously used a Weller TCP series (WTCPT) that really forced you to think about the 3 factors (profile, mass and temperature) as equals for soldering . The CSI replacement iron for this station: CSI936 IRON-A is only $ 11.95 If you are using a 1/16" / 1.6 mm chisel as a standard tip and your soldering varies (board, lugs, wire) day to day -- that a second iron with a different tip profile (e.g., 1/8" / 3.2 mm chisel; 3/32" / 2.4 mm chisel; 3/64" / 1.2 mm; 1/32" / 0.8 mm) can provide both an inexpensive and flexible solution -- without having to physically change the tip. Greg w9gb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station report
Hey, guys, I just purchased one of the Circuit Specialist CSI Station1 ESD Safe soldering stations for $34.95. I really like it. I have been using a borrowed Weller WTCPT, and the CSI1 is every bit as good or better plus it has temp control at the twist of a knob. You can't beat it for the price. You can get a CSI Station2 with digital display of temp, but I see that as something else to fail, then you don't know what your temp is. You know the old principle... KISS. If you're on a budget, this is a good one. I have no financial interest in Circuit Specialists or this product. = 73, Mark Baugh W5EZY Grenada MS __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Soldering station questions (please, no wars)
Kirb, VE6IV asked: I'm also in the market for a good variable temp station. Where is a good place to buy on-line? I got my Hakko 936 ESD at T-equipment here: http://www.tequipment.net/ Here's a direct link to their page showing the Hakko station I have: http://tinyurl.com/56r3n After looking at the bewildering array of options on the web site, I called them on the telephone to discuss their recommendations about tips, etc. Their telephone rep was very knowledgeable and helpful. That was my only dealing with them. The name came to me through Tom Hammond, N0SS, who mentioned them in a post here. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station questions (please, no wars)
I'm also in the market for a good variable temp station. Where is a good place to buy on-line? 73. Kirb, VE6IV Flex-Radio SDR-1000 ..a pile of K2's inside your PC - Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Michael N4NMR wrote: I suspect my temp controlled soldering station is going south on me. In building my K2, I've noticed that it takes longer to get the solder flowing. I'll take other recommendations just in case I have to go on-line to order one. --- Not knowing the manufacturer makes it tough to suggest ways to 'fix' the current one. 1- If it is a "fixed temp" tip, try a new tip. A bad thermostat can cause a tip to run cool. Apparently your tip is heating because you do eventually melt solder. 2 - If just the soldering tip is replaceable, remove it and make sure it is clean *inside* where it attaches. Corrosion that builds up at the attachment point (threads, sleeve, etc.) can really cut down the heat transfer from the element to the tip. 3 - If you "give up" on it, consider a Hakko 936-ESD. No, you can't get it today if no one in town sells one, but they are available in two or three days via web order if you want it shipped priority from various places. They aren't "better" than Weller, nor is Weller "better" than the Hakko. After all it's just a soldering station! The magic is in the hands that wield it, not in the tool itself. I've used both, although I haven't use the newer Weller stations. When I was last in the market for a new soldering station, the Hakko price was the best. I really like the front-panel knob temperature control. I think where a lot of ops go wrong is using too COOL of an iron. Desoldering braid is nearly non-functional with a 700F iron. At the least, it's likely you'll lift a trace by leaving it "cook" too long. Cleaning enameled wire by the "blob" method also is very poor at 700F, not to mention soldering larger terminals instead of a board trace. The ability to tweak the knob up to 800F, wait 5 seconds, then go to work is a real advantage of the variable temperature stations to me. Ron AC7AC P.S. We don't do "wars" here. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Soldering station questions (please, no wars)
Michael N4NMR wrote: I suspect my temp controlled soldering station is going south on me. In building my K2, I've noticed that it takes longer to get the solder flowing. I'll take other recommendations just in case I have to go on-line to order one. --- Not knowing the manufacturer makes it tough to suggest ways to 'fix' the current one. 1- If it is a "fixed temp" tip, try a new tip. A bad thermostat can cause a tip to run cool. Apparently your tip is heating because you do eventually melt solder. 2 - If just the soldering tip is replaceable, remove it and make sure it is clean *inside* where it attaches. Corrosion that builds up at the attachment point (threads, sleeve, etc.) can really cut down the heat transfer from the element to the tip. 3 - If you "give up" on it, consider a Hakko 936-ESD. No, you can't get it today if no one in town sells one, but they are available in two or three days via web order if you want it shipped priority from various places. They aren't "better" than Weller, nor is Weller "better" than the Hakko. After all it's just a soldering station! The magic is in the hands that wield it, not in the tool itself. I've used both, although I haven't use the newer Weller stations. When I was last in the market for a new soldering station, the Hakko price was the best. I really like the front-panel knob temperature control. I think where a lot of ops go wrong is using too COOL of an iron. Desoldering braid is nearly non-functional with a 700F iron. At the least, it's likely you'll lift a trace by leaving it "cook" too long. Cleaning enameled wire by the "blob" method also is very poor at 700F, not to mention soldering larger terminals instead of a board trace. The ability to tweak the knob up to 800F, wait 5 seconds, then go to work is a real advantage of the variable temperature stations to me. Ron AC7AC P.S. We don't do "wars" here. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station questions (please, no wars)
1) Mine may be going bad: I suspect my temp controlled soldering station is going south on me. In building my K2, I've noticed that it takes longer to get the solder flowing. Are there any _cheap_ but somewhat accurate ways of testing a station like this? (Sorry, don't remember the brand name but it is one of the known ones.) 2) recommendations (again, please, no wars here): If I have to replace my current station, can someone tell which of the Weller stations are good and which are ones to avoid. It seems that Weller is the only thing that I can get in town. (I'll take other recommendations just in case I have to go on-line to order one.) Thanks, folks, in advance. Hope you are all having a safe, fun holiday. Michael N4NMR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
At 09:54 AM 12/2/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... >I'm wondering if anyone has ordered and received the Circuit Specialists >soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ? If so could they give us a >similar report on that unit? > >At $35.00 it is indeed a tempting buy, but with Mike's post...? The 936 clone appears very close to the Hakko 936, they even copied the PC board layout: http://www.flatsurface.com/pics/Hakko-Aoyue936.JPG On the top is the Hakko 936 layout, courtesy Tom Hammond, on the bottom is a picture of the Aoyue station, from their web site. That doesn't, of course, address quality of construction. I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. At $200 (vs. about $1000 for a real Hakko), the CSI710 rework station is a great deal. The soldering station is a bit less of a deal, since you can get a real Hakko for under $85. I used to use Weller WTCP*, then a Weller labelled Ungar 921ZX, but since Cooper Tools decided to discontinue the Ungar stuff shortly after taking my money for one, no more. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
My order arrived yesterday but the soldering station was back ordered. There were items in stock (according to web site) when I ordered mine. By the way the free gift VOM Multimeter (when you order $50 of stuff) is very nice, big digits, nonslip rubber housing, etc. Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike and all, Thanks for the heads up, Mike. I'm wondering if anyone has ordered and received the Circuit Specialists soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ? If so could they give us a similar report on that unit? At $35.00 it is indeed a tempting buy, but with Mike's post...? Thanks, Tom McCulloch, WB2QDG k2 1103 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike S) Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2004 10:53 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station (this is a resend to the list, the first was bounced by QTH.net because their postmaster has some brain-dead SMTP spam checking misconfiguration which produces false positives (for the subject line "Circuit Specialists 701 rework station:. Gr.) About a week ago, Tom Hammond pointed out that Circuit Specialists had some soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ( http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307 ) for a good price. I noticed that they had a through hole rework station ( http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7789 ) which also looked very similar to a Hakko offering. There has been some conjecture that these are the same as the Hakko units, but are being sold by an OEM to Hakko for considerably less. Since my 20 year old Pace desoldering station recently died, I thought I'd try out one of these, especially since the $200 price was by far better than anything else available. This is about 20% of what a similar Hakko unit runs. I receive my station today, and can report that these are very obviously NOT the same as real Hakko products. They're Chinese clones. As mentioned earlier, these are made by Aoyue ( http://www.aoyue.com/english/index.htm ). From the looks of this unit, I doubt Aoyue OEMs anything to Hakko - some things are close, others are functional, but none are of the same quality. The desoldering handpiece is of decent quality. It appears that it will take Hakko spares, including heaters and tips. It could definitely use a better tip - this one is chrome (?) plated and won't "tin." The soldering pencil has a rubber grip instead of the heat insulating foam a real Hakko has, but is overall of decent quality. Both use multipin "microphone" style circular connectors, which is different than what Hakko uses. The station itself is workable, the electronics seem to do what they're supposed to (they regulate tip temperature and have an LED which lights when power is applied to the tip, so it blinks when the tip is at the set temp). The controls (switches and pots) are pretty cheap, I'll probably upgrade these. They silk screened "Circuit Specialists" on the front, but didn't bother with a Fahrenheit temperature scale. The manufacturer took time to grind the markings off the ICs on the circuit board (they copied Hakko, but don't want to be copied themselves, I guess), and no schematic is provided in the manual. The biggest obvious difference is that it uses a completely different vacuum pump than a real Hakko - meaning no ready source of spare parts. The pump actually works better than that on my old Pace. One strange thing though, is that the instruction manual (in pretty good Engrish [ http://www.engrish.com/ ]) clearly shows how to disassemble and clean a Hakko pump. The actual pump is completely different than that illustrated in the manual. All things considered, it works well. Time will tell how this unit holds up, but it seems to be a good deal. A couple of better quality switches and pots, some real Hakko desoldering tips, and a bit of time should take care of the minor issues. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- |--| Anthony A. Luscre K8ZT Stow, Ohio |--| Visit My Website at http://www.k8zt.com |--| ___ Elecraft mailing list
Re: [Elecraft] Soldering station
Mike and all, Thanks for the heads up, Mike. I'm wondering if anyone has ordered and received the Circuit Specialists soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ? If so could they give us a similar report on that unit? At $35.00 it is indeed a tempting buy, but with Mike's post...? Thanks, Tom McCulloch, WB2QDG k2 1103 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike S) Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2004 10:53 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering station > (this is a resend to the list, the first was bounced by QTH.net > because their postmaster has some brain-dead SMTP spam checking > misconfiguration which produces false positives (for the subject > line "Circuit Specialists 701 rework station:. Gr.) > > About a week ago, Tom Hammond pointed out that Circuit Specialists > had some soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ( > http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307 ) for a > good price. I noticed that they had a through hole rework station > ( http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7789 ) which > also looked very similar to a Hakko offering. There has been some > conjecture that these are the same as the Hakko units, but are > being sold by an OEM to Hakko for considerably less. > > Since my 20 year old Pace desoldering station recently died, I > thought I'd try out one of these, especially since the $200 price > was by far better than anything else available. This is about 20% > of what a similar Hakko unit runs. > > I receive my station today, and can report that these are very > obviously NOT the same as real Hakko products. They're Chinese > clones. As mentioned earlier, these are made by Aoyue ( > http://www.aoyue.com/english/index.htm ). From the looks of this > unit, I doubt Aoyue OEMs anything to Hakko - some things are > close, others are functional, but none are of the same quality. > > The desoldering handpiece is of decent quality. It appears that it > will take Hakko spares, including heaters and tips. It could > definitely use a better tip - this one is chrome (?) plated and > won't "tin." The soldering pencil has a rubber grip instead of the > heat insulating foam a real Hakko has, but is overall of decent > quality. Both use multipin "microphone" style circular connectors, > which is different than what Hakko uses. > > The station itself is workable, the electronics seem to do what > they're supposed to (they regulate tip temperature and have an LED > which lights when power is applied to the tip, so it blinks when > the tip is at the set temp). The controls (switches and pots) are > pretty cheap, I'll probably upgrade these. They silk screened > "Circuit Specialists" on the front, but didn't bother with a > Fahrenheit temperature scale. The manufacturer took time to grind > the markings off the ICs on the circuit board (they copied Hakko, > but don't want to be copied themselves, I guess), and no schematic > is provided in the manual. > > The biggest obvious difference is that it uses a completely > different vacuum pump than a real Hakko - meaning no ready source > of spare parts. The pump actually works better than that on my > old Pace. One strange thing though, is that the instruction manual > (in pretty good Engrish [ http://www.engrish.com/ ]) clearly shows > how to disassemble and clean a Hakko pump. The actual pump is > completely different than that illustrated in the manual. > > All things considered, it works well. Time will tell how this unit > holds up, but it seems to be a good deal. A couple of better > quality switches and pots, some real Hakko desoldering tips, and a > bit of time should take care of the minor issues. > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station
(this is a resend to the list, the first was bounced by QTH.net because their postmaster has some brain-dead SMTP spam checking misconfiguration which produces false positives (for the subject line "Circuit Specialists 701 rework station:. Gr.) About a week ago, Tom Hammond pointed out that Circuit Specialists had some soldering stations which looked like Hakko 936's ( http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307 ) for a good price. I noticed that they had a through hole rework station ( http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7789 ) which also looked very similar to a Hakko offering. There has been some conjecture that these are the same as the Hakko units, but are being sold by an OEM to Hakko for considerably less. Since my 20 year old Pace desoldering station recently died, I thought I'd try out one of these, especially since the $200 price was by far better than anything else available. This is about 20% of what a similar Hakko unit runs. I receive my station today, and can report that these are very obviously NOT the same as real Hakko products. They're Chinese clones. As mentioned earlier, these are made by Aoyue ( http://www.aoyue.com/english/index.htm ). From the looks of this unit, I doubt Aoyue OEMs anything to Hakko - some things are close, others are functional, but none are of the same quality. The desoldering handpiece is of decent quality. It appears that it will take Hakko spares, including heaters and tips. It could definitely use a better tip - this one is chrome (?) plated and won't "tin." The soldering pencil has a rubber grip instead of the heat insulating foam a real Hakko has, but is overall of decent quality. Both use multipin "microphone" style circular connectors, which is different than what Hakko uses. The station itself is workable, the electronics seem to do what they're supposed to (they regulate tip temperature and have an LED which lights when power is applied to the tip, so it blinks when the tip is at the set temp). The controls (switches and pots) are pretty cheap, I'll probably upgrade these. They silk screened "Circuit Specialists" on the front, but didn't bother with a Fahrenheit temperature scale. The manufacturer took time to grind the markings off the ICs on the circuit board (they copied Hakko, but don't want to be copied themselves, I guess), and no schematic is provided in the manual. The biggest obvious difference is that it uses a completely different vacuum pump than a real Hakko - meaning no ready source of spare parts. The pump actually works better than that on my old Pace. One strange thing though, is that the instruction manual (in pretty good Engrish [ http://www.engrish.com/ ]) clearly shows how to disassemble and clean a Hakko pump. The actual pump is completely different than that illustrated in the manual. All things considered, it works well. Time will tell how this unit holds up, but it seems to be a good deal. A couple of better quality switches and pots, some real Hakko desoldering tips, and a bit of time should take care of the minor issues. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Soldering station for new builder?
Are you about buying someone an Elecraft kit this holiday season, or desire an inexpensive temperature controlled station for that new amateur builder? I have 5 Weller WTCP in new condition (built from NOS parts). These are identical to the WTCPL designs, BUT do not have the switch or neon light on the front face. The complete package includes the original Weller Tech Sheet, sponge, solder and solder wick. These are $ 30 plus shipping. (This is the same model station I first used in 1975). An Adobe Acrobat of the Tech Sheet is also available. I also have 2 refurbished EC1201A soldering irons. These work with the EC2002 and EC1002 soldering stations. I have been told they are also compatible with the new Weller Silver Series base units. These are $ 100 new, these refurbished irons are $ 50 each plus shipping. I also have a large stock of the SW60 switches for the repair of the Weller TCP irons. Adobe Acrobat Tech Sheets for the WTPCL, WTCPN, WTCPS and WTCPT stations are available (e-mail request). Greg w9gb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com