RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[N2TK]

Try putting a piece of paper towel between your ear and the headset. I find
that it makes it more comfortable when wearing headset for long periods of
time and it seems to keep things cooler.
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Now I like that - I have a pair of BOSE Quiet Comfort 2 headphones and they
are extremely good, very comfortable etc - I fine they do tend to make your
ears a little hot though.


On 28/12/07 23:47, "David Wilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike
> boom to them.

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry - boom mics

[AJSOENKE]

In a message dated 12/29/2007 4:51:25 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

- Original Message -  
From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Elecraft List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:15  AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Well,  since everyone else seems to be putting their oar in for what they
really  want, I will to.  I use headset/mic combos most of the time if I
operate  SSB (not very often though).  But it would be nice to not have to
use  the headphones for a comfortable QSO.  Problem is, a desk mike just  adds
to the clutter on my desk.  That premium space is already taken up  by a
laptop (or keyboard), my paddle, my pencil/pen, paper, and most  importantly
my coffee cup!  Seriously, am I the only one who has to  shift things around
in front of me while operating?  And wouldn't a desk  mike just add to the
problem?

I would like to see some kind of  gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
"IC" element) that would easily  attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket  that would clamp across the top of the
K3, and had some sort of quick  release.  It would have to be padded so as to
not mar the K3.  The  gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
the bracket, and be a  quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to  30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or  near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into  it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place  the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the  rear.  Then
you could swing the microphone into position or out of the  way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of  you.

Tall order, right?  Yeah, I know--I'm dreaming.  And it  really doesn't
respond very directly to Eric's question.  But I'd buy  something like this
if it were available.  Maybe it already is  somewhere.  I don't keep up very
well with microphone stuff.

Dave  W7AQK

+
 
FWIW, I agree and its not a tall order, it's already available directly  from 
Heil.  _www.heilsound.com_ (http://www.heilsound.com) 
 
I prefer the flexible boom that looks like a piece of conduit, used on many  
lamps and mirrors. There is also a vendor advertised in QST that sells  mobile 
components for mounting control heads that can be adapted to a mic, just  get 
the heil mic for handheld and mount it in a holder then you have 2 in  1  
handheld or boom mount. The heil booms are not real flexible and base  mounted. 
The flex heads I have can be mounted using common electrical/plumbing  supplies 
and can be hung from above (check out the professional talk show  stations) 
or from a side panel.  Also look at Heils professional line , not  just the 
Amateur Radio pages.
 
Check these: _http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdList.asp?off=0&sort=prod_ 
(http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdList.asp?off=0&sort=prod) 
 
 



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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[AJSOENKE]

In a message dated 12/29/2007 1:58:22 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My "Baptism of  Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM .
Thirty seconds after the contest  started I was in shock..Five 
other operators, all in the same small room  shouting their heads 
off. Transmitting  CQ and callsign, and hearing  the same said by 
others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting  !

That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table  
when it was published. They managed just fine.

The Heil headsets were  about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard", 
however eventually my brain  started filtering out the background 
noise. 

73
Stewart  G3RXQ

++
 
The fact is the QRM is in the shack!! Now picture this:  5 guys all in  a 
room with K3s and DVR active. All audio optimized for best transmitter  
performance and "full quieting" while the contesters concentrate on  listening. 
 We 
shall be so lucky!!! 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Kurt Pawlikowski]

Jim,

   I can think of a few good reasons, the first is "one stop shopping." 
That is, convenience. The second is, if the radio manufacture caries a 
compatible product, you are assured that it will be configured correctly 
and have the same general quality and performance levels. And while yes, 
you could go direct to the manufacture, it's sometimes nice to have that 
little funky "E" on an OEM version of the same thing. Every time you 
raise a Icon, Yaesu, Kenwood or other "branded" mike to use it, the one 
thing you'll be reminded of is the manufacturer. I would expect that 
none of them make their own elements. I think the advertising value of 
an OEM microphone alone is worth the trouble.


   ... IMNSHO (In My Not So Humble Opinion)...

   Regards,

   kurtt

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   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jim McDonald wrote:

Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a retailer
for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
manufacturer?  It seems a distraction to me. 


Jim N7US
 
 


-Original Message-


Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ




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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[N2EY]

In a message dated 12/29/07 10:32:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:


> Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a 
> retailer
> for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
> manufacturer?

Two reasons:

1) You can make one big order rather than a couple of smaller orders.

2) You are guaranteed that the unit you buy will work with your Elecraft rig. 


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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Jim McDonald]

Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a retailer
for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
manufacturer?  It seems a distraction to me. 

Jim N7US
 
 

-Original Message-


Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ




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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Yarnes]

Yes, you are right that  it could be done that way, and I have thought about 
that.  But I do appreciate the suggestion.  However, I would really like 
something that is more portable and could  travel with the K3.  I consider 
the K3 to be a very portable radio, and I intend to take it with me whenever 
practical.  I am thinking about something smaller and lighter than some sort 
of desk attachment arrangement which would probably have a heavier gooseneck 
as well.  Kenwood, I think, makes a small desk microphone with a small 
diameter gooseneck and small cartridge housing.  I would like something 
along that line if possible--small, lightweight, and easily transported. 
Being able to attach it somehow to the rig seemed a good idea to me as it 
could eliminate the need for a base or heavy table clamp arrangement.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?



What about a Heil with a desk mounted boom - the boom can mount direct to
the desk or be clamped on, at the back and 'lean over'


On 29/12/07 12:49, "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with 
the

"IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of 
the
K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as 
to
not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top 
of

the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place 
the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear. 
Then

you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.


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intelligence!





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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

What about a Heil with a desk mounted boom - the boom can mount direct to
the desk or be clamped on, at the back and 'lean over'


On 29/12/07 12:49, "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
> "IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
> Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of the
> K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as to
> not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
> the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
> probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
> from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
> speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place the
> bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear.  Then
> you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
> wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.

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intelligence!


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Yarnes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Toby Deinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WILLIS COOKE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?


Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6
feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu
denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it
almost impossible.


Hmmm!  I suppose these same folks when working CW, and can't get 
their call or report received correctly, start pounding their paddles 
harder!  You get about the same effect!


Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Yarnes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Elecraft List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Well, since everyone else seems to be putting their oar in for what they
really want, I will to.  I use headset/mic combos most of the time if I
operate SSB (not very often though).  But it would be nice to not have to
use the headphones for a comfortable QSO.  Problem is, a desk mike just adds
to the clutter on my desk.  That premium space is already taken up by a
laptop (or keyboard), my paddle, my pencil/pen, paper, and most importantly
my coffee cup!  Seriously, am I the only one who has to shift things around
in front of me while operating?  And wouldn't a desk mike just add to the
problem?

I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
"IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of the
K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as to
not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear.  Then
you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.

Tall order, right?  Yeah, I know--I'm dreaming.  And it really doesn't
respond very directly to Eric's question.  But I'd buy something like this
if it were available.  Maybe it already is somewhere.  I don't keep up very
well with microphone stuff.

Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Ron AC7AC wrote:

Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the mic, no 
matter

what!




--

Amen!  Interesting to note that the operators of  'world class' contest 
stations never appear to suffer from sore throats caused by shouting during 
a contest period, while some other folk end up 'croaking'.


My Heil ProSet Plus headset allows my rigs to be driven to full output 
without shouting, including an unmodified K2/100 #3255 without an external 
audio preamp, and is comfortable to wear for long periods. The combination 
of the HC5 mic element and 2.1 kHz transmitter filters breaks pile-ups 
without having to use the HC4 mic element, at the same time receives 
complimentary reports on audio quality. External acoustic noise has never 
been a problem here.



Tom N5GE wrote:

My feeling is that offering the Heil Pro-Set versions with the mono 1/8" 
plug

will be great.



Agree about having the smaller plug for the headphone connection, but would 
suggest that it be a stereo plug rather than a mono plug to allow use of 
binaural outputs..



Happy New Year to everybody!

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD





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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Stewart Baker]

My "Baptism of Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM .
Thirty seconds after the contest started I was in shock..Five
other operators, all in the same small room shouting their heads
off. Transmitting  CQ and callsign, and hearing the same said by
others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting !

That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table
when it was published. They managed just fine.

The Heil headsets were about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard",
however eventually my brain started filtering out the background
noise.

73
Stewart G3RXQ


On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:00:34 -0800, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Toby wrote:
>
> Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less
than 6
> feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five
foxtrot zulu
> denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I
find it
> almost impossible.
>
> ---
>
> Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the
mic, no matter
> what!
>
> Maybe a little consultation on technique before the next contest
would
> improve his score and your sanity.
>
> Maybe a huge sign on the wall: GOOD OPERATORS DON'T SHOUT!
>
> Just the same, it's hard to have several people talking in the
same room
> while trying to hear marginal audio.  That does require the most
isolating
> 'phones you can get.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Tom Childers, N5GE]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:49:25 -0800, you wrote:

>Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
>headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
>like? Any favorite models?
>
>Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
>one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.
>
>73, Eric  WA6HHQ
[snip]

I have had the Heil Pro-Set Plus for several years.  I was pleased to read in
the owners manual that when my third wave K3 arrives it will be a plug 'n play
mic.  I also really like having the key, headphone and mic connections on the
rear of the rig.  Thanks for doing that!

My feeling is that offering the Heil Pro-Set versions with the mono 1/8" plug
will be great.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Toby wrote:

Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 
feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu 
denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it 
almost impossible.

---

Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the mic, no matter
what! 

Maybe a little consultation on technique before the next contest would
improve his score and your sanity. 

Maybe a huge sign on the wall: GOOD OPERATORS DON'T SHOUT! 

Just the same, it's hard to have several people talking in the same room
while trying to hear marginal audio.  That does require the most isolating
'phones you can get.  

Ron AC7AC 


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[AJSOENKE]

In a message dated 12/28/2007 10:07:02 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Elecraft needs a desk  microphone in it's product line.  

The stiff cord on the MH-2 is  capable of dragging the 
radio around the desk before it yields.  It's  very "stiff".

I have a Heil Goldline w/desk stand that gives me the  
choice of switching between cartridges ... the best of 
both  worlds.

I also have  a ProSet with an HC-5 cartridge.

73! Ken  Kopp - K0PP
K2 #5665
K3 #56


 
I agree with the Heil Goldline and a desk stand. I used an Astatic dynamic  
mic with a boom holder for years and really liked it.
I have both the Heil Proset 5 and the Elecraft Proset K-2. Different type  
mic elements but they both work equally well on my K2 and K3 and several other  
rigs. The desk mic is the only addition I'd like to see, preferably a design  
that will work hand-held as well as on a stand or arm.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Now I like that - I have a pair of BOSE Quiet Comfort 2 headphones and they
are extremely good, very comfortable etc - I fine they do tend to make your
ears a little hot though.


On 28/12/07 23:47, "David Wilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike
> boom to them.

-- 
Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the
same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Wilburn]

One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike
boom to them.
-  

David Wilburn
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On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 23:00 +0100, Toby Deinhardt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  > 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough
>  > for a 5 hour flight.  I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest.
> 
> Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 
> feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu 
> denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it 
> almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in southern and 
> eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, so I'm not the 
> only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure on the ears might 
> be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. They are a fairly 
> tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil Headset I have come 
> across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would not call them a vise 
> though.
> 
> vy 73 de toby
> 
> 
> PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are 
> much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the 
> surroundings. They are also very heavy.
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Jay Schwisow]

Bose has the Bose Aviation-X - $995.00

I always use my Bose noise cancelling cans for CW operating  but I am 
not sure I want to shell out $995.00 to get the microphone too!


Jay - KT5E

Toby Deinhardt wrote:

Hi,

> 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough
> for a 5 hour flight.  I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest.

Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 
feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot 
zulu denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I 
find it almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in 
southern and eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, 
so I'm not the only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure 
on the ears might be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. 
They are a fairly tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil 
Headset I have come across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would 
not call them a vise though.


vy 73 de toby


PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are 
much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the 
surroundings. They are also very heavy.

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Bill NY9H]

too bad the computer industry doesn't have any nice desk microphones 
as it does have some GREAT headsets. like from "altec" "koss" or 
logitek ..comfy...with a boom electret,I noticed a "telex" 
brand  baby shotgun desk mic , that would work but needs a ptt switch...


 How about a tiny interface box that simply accepts the two plugs 
from the typical computer headset,  with a ptt switch on it...and 
maybe even four buttons to fire off the memories in the K3 


( by then I hope Wayne has a way to plug such a remote memory switch 
into the radio)


I course I do realize that all K3 owners could construct such an 
appliance easily.


( I did this for my K2 portable setup, even had a radioshack memory 
sound chip in the hand held controller) ...to keep saying cqcqcq  qrp ny9h )


bill

bill

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Wilburn]

A big hunk of the target market for the K3 is contest stations.  Many
contest stations are making the move to the noise reduction headsets.  I
don't believe most hams would pay extra for it, and a couple of months
ago I likely would not have either.  But now that my radios are sharing
space with the kids and their XBOX, I am having to re-think this.
-  

David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 10:41 -0800, B. Scott Andersen wrote:
> I own the following Heil models:
> * Pro Set Plus
> * Pro Set QuietPhone
> * Traveler Dual Side
> 
> I used to also own the Traveler Single Side phones but
> sold them as they were very uncomfortable.
> 
> If you were to carry two models, I would suggest the 
> 1. Traveler Dual Side -- for portable operator use, and
> 2. Pro Set QuietPhone -- for serious fixed operation
> 
> I also like my Pro Set Plus unit but find the noise canceling
> feature of the QuietPhone very helpful both at home and on
> DXpeditions. Also, the QuietPhone is more comfortable on 
> the head and ears during those long hours. For a few dollars
> more you get a much better feeling headset, with noise
> cancellation, and a good mic.
> 
> I first used one of these QuietPhones at K1TTT's station
> for the ARRL DX contest. Within 5 minutes I knew I had
> to order a set for myself. They were that much better than
> my Pro Set Plus (IMHO).
> 
> For those times you don't want to carry the big heavy headsets
> the Traveler Dual Side is my choice. They are comfortable when
> working outside in the heat and perform well (both on the ears
> and at the mic). 
> 
> There will not likely be any consensus here (on anything!), but
> my vote would be those two "higher-end" of the Heil offerings.
> 
> My 2-cents. Refunds upon request.
> 
> -- Scott (NE1RD)

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Toby Deinhardt]

Hi,

> 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough
> for a 5 hour flight.  I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest.

Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 
feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu 
denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it 
almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in southern and 
eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, so I'm not the 
only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure on the ears might 
be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. They are a fairly 
tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil Headset I have come 
across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would not call them a vise 
though.


vy 73 de toby


PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are 
much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the 
surroundings. They are also very heavy.

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Toby Deinhardt]

Hi Al,

> What kind of connector(s) does it use?  I assume the reason they don't
> mention that on their web page is that it is intended for airplanes
> which use a standard connection, but I don't know what it is.

As I already told Doug:

We use the "plain vanilla" version of the PA11-60.

RX is a standard stereo phone jack; you can plug it directly into the 
front panel of the K3, TS-850, etc. The microphone connector is a "hard 
to find" jack used in airplanes. We always replace the microphone jack 
with something standard.


The microphone interfacing for the rig is also important, an example for 
TS-850 can be found here:
 


(sorry about the German, but you should get the general idea).

vy 73 de toby

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Pratt]

In a recent message, Ken Kopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>The stiff cord on the MH-2 is capable of dragging the radio around the
>desk before it yields.  It's very "stiff".

The MH-2 certainly drags my K2 around with it.  I have considered
changing the curly cable for a more flexible one and will do so when I
find the time.

I wonder why Elecraft have not asked for a more suitable cable to be
fitted to this microphone?  That could make the MH-2 more popular.

73
--
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[Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Geoffrey Downs]

Dear Eric,

My vote would be for the Pro Set Plus. I have used one fairly intensively for 
upwards of 4 years, mainly for chasing ssb dx on 80m. The headphones are 
sensitive and comfortable and most of the time I use the HC4 mic insert for its 
penetrating qualities but I also use the HC5 for less demanding contacts. I'm 
itching to use the Pro Set Plus with my K3, ordered with deposit on 11 May and 
now getting tantalisingly close to shipment!

Happy New Year to you, Wayne, all at Elecraft and all list subscribers.

Geoff
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Alan Bloom]

I notice it's a bit cheaper as well.

What kind of connector(s) does it use?  I assume the reason they don't
mention that on their web page is that it is intended for airplanes
which use a standard connection, but I don't know what it is.

Al N1AL


On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 08:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic
> >> headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone
> >> like? Any favorite models?
> 
> To tell you the truth, I do not like the Heil headsets, because the  
> ear phones have the poor isolation of surrounding noise. The Pilot  
> PA11-60 headset is very popular here, and is my headset of choice.  
> AFAIK, the US version is the PA-1161T.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> vy 73 de toby
> 
> PS: I have nothing to do with the company but I like the headset...
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[B. Scott Andersen]

I own the following Heil models:
* Pro Set Plus
* Pro Set QuietPhone
* Traveler Dual Side

I used to also own the Traveler Single Side phones but
sold them as they were very uncomfortable.

If you were to carry two models, I would suggest the 
1. Traveler Dual Side -- for portable operator use, and
2. Pro Set QuietPhone -- for serious fixed operation

I also like my Pro Set Plus unit but find the noise canceling
feature of the QuietPhone very helpful both at home and on
DXpeditions. Also, the QuietPhone is more comfortable on 
the head and ears during those long hours. For a few dollars
more you get a much better feeling headset, with noise
cancellation, and a good mic.

I first used one of these QuietPhones at K1TTT's station
for the ARRL DX contest. Within 5 minutes I knew I had
to order a set for myself. They were that much better than
my Pro Set Plus (IMHO).

For those times you don't want to carry the big heavy headsets
the Traveler Dual Side is my choice. They are comfortable when
working outside in the heat and perform well (both on the ears
and at the mic). 

There will not likely be any consensus here (on anything!), but
my vote would be those two "higher-end" of the Heil offerings.

My 2-cents. Refunds upon request.

-- Scott (NE1RD)
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Ken Kopp]

Elecraft needs a desk microphone in it's product line.  

The stiff cord on the MH-2 is capable of dragging the 
radio around the desk before it yields.  It's very "stiff".


I have a Heil Goldline w/desk stand that gives me the 
choice of switching between cartridges ... the best of 
both worlds.


I also have  a ProSet with an HC-5 cartridge.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
K2 #5665
K3 #56

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[David Yarnes]

I'm sure you will get a bunch of answers to this question, and probably all 
different!  Personally, I endorse the choice you already made in supplying 
the current Heil headset.  It has the "IC" element in it, and that came 
highly recommended to me by several users who I think are fairly 
knowledgeable.  I think the Pro Set Plus would be a possible alternative, 
but I really wonder if it is that beneficial since the K3 has the built in 
equalizer.  Seems to me you could probably replicate most or all of the 
beneficial effects the HC4 element generates just using the equalizer. 
Isn't that true?  Haven't tried it, but that would be my guess.


I'm not much on desk mikes (they get in the way of my paddle!), but lots 
of folks are.  I rather think if you are looking for something to expand 
your line of options, a good desk mike would perhaps be the right answer.  I 
don't know that you need to offer another headset option, unless it would be 
something like the Heil Traveler, which is smaller and lighter than the Pro 
Set.


Eric, my suggestion is that you put together some sort of survey type 
questionnaire--doesn't have to be complicated.  But if you poll folks on 
what their favorite mike or headset is and why, you might get a better 
picture of what really appeals to them.  I'd make the questions "open ended" 
so that you can get some real input.  Takes a little more time to sort 
through the responses, but I think you get better input that way.  That's 
sort of what you did with your email, but I think a little more direction as 
to the responses you need would be better.  Your question really only asked 
folks to consider the HC4 and HC5 elements (a "closed ended" approach).  If 
that's really all you want to consider offering, then I suppose that's fine. 
But you might find that a niche exists for something entirely different.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Elecraft List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?


Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Richard HIll]

I have and regularly use the ProSet+.  The combination of HC4 and HC5 makes
the headset versatile.  The ear pieces hurt after a long session.

Elecraft would do well to offer a new headset with ear pieces that don't
rest on the ears, but around them, with the equivalent of HC4 and HC5.

The ProSet ear pieces are not bad.

Rich
NU6T
K1 only so far


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

This is exactly what we can do with the 8 band TX EQ built into the K3 :-)
73, Eric  WA6HHQ
===

AD6XY - Mike wrote:

It would be more appropriate to design a sophisticated DSP based microphone
equallizer that could take a professional quality microphone, that is one
with a flat and uncoloured response, and distort it to sound like any
microphone element the user might want, even a Heil.

Mike
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[AD6XY - Mike]

Can I vote for none at all? 

Elecraft are likely to make a loss from reselleing Heil and in any case
their elements are readily available elsewhere. 

It would be more appropriate to design a sophisticated DSP based microphone
equallizer that could take a professional quality microphone, that is one
with a flat and uncoloured response, and distort it to sound like any
microphone element the user might want, even a Heil.

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[dj7mgq]

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone
like? Any favorite models?


To tell you the truth, I do not like the Heil headsets, because the  
ear phones have the poor isolation of surrounding noise. The Pilot  
PA11-60 headset is very popular here, and is my headset of choice.  
AFAIK, the US version is the PA-1161T.





vy 73 de toby

PS: I have nothing to do with the company but I like the headset...

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[John Huffman]

My vote is HC5.  I have the HC4 and it comes out sounding "pinched" on 
my K2.


If I want the DX sound I can adjust the TX equalization on the K3 using 
the HC5.  But it won't work as well the other way around because the HC4 
eliminates lows to start with and the equalizer can't create sounds that 
the mike didn't pass along.


73 de K1ESE
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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Brian]

I like the Pro-set Plus because it's dual purpose.  Although I don't see
having the money to own a K3 in the near future I do occasionally use my
pro-set plus that is set up for my Kenwood TS-2K on my K2 and I have never
received a bad audio report.  


Brian 
N1WNC
K2/100 5946


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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[N2TK]

I still like the BC-10 with an HC4 element for home and traveling. It's very
light and comfortable, especially in hot climates.

N2TK, Tony


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ,
Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Larry K1UO]

My vote would be for the Proset with H4 element for Contesting/DXing use. 
Second would be the Proset Plus what contains both the HC4/HC5 elements but
is a bit heavier and more tiring to wear for long periods.
(consider the Heil footswitch also!)
Most of all thanks for asking.

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[Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Dave G4AON]

Eric

There is a lack of a desk microphone for the Elecraft range... Doesn't 
have to be Heil, but something elegant to go with the K3 would surely 
sell well.


73 Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Ian J Maude]

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at 
least one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.
Personally, I am not a fan of the Proset Plus, I find it uncomfortable.  
The simple proset with an HC5 element is what I use for contest and DX 
work.  From the shack I prefer to use the Goldline GM-5 giving me the 
choice of broadcast or DX elements.  Of course thia all suits my voice.  
However the Goldline/K3 combination seems to be one of those sweet 
combinations in life.


Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Laurent Ferracci]

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft a écrit :
Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Hi,

Mine is a Proset Plus, so it has both HC4 and HC5. This is a "no choice" 
but in fact i use them both. A good solution. But as i already have one 
and try to take care ot if, i won't be a buyer...


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Vk2NU]

Pro-Set Plus (with both the HC4 and HC5 elements) gets my vote.

The standard Pro-Set only has a life expectancy of about 1 year in my shack
before they tend to fall apart! The Pro-Set Plus has out-lived my previous 2
Pro-Sets by a couple of years and is still going strong. Then again I have 4
kids under 10 who enjoy playing in the shack, so my conditions may be a bit
extreme!

David, Vk2NU





Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> 
> Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
> headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
> like? Any favorite models?
> 
> Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
> one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.
> 
> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Bill W5WVO]

I think the best overall ProSet is the single-element HC5. The HC4 element is 
good for busting pileups, but you should be able to make an HC5 sound like an 
HC4 by judicious adjustment of the K3 TX equalization. For this same reason, I 
don't think the ProSet that contains both HC4 and HC5 elements with a small 
switch is necessary either. I have had many unsolicited "great audio" comments 
using my HC5 ProSet with a Kenwood transmitter.


On the K3, can you switch between two TX equalization profiles with a single 
knob-tap or similar?


Bill W5WVO


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone
like? Any favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at
least one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Larry Maguire]

 

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From: Larry Maguire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:43 PM
To: 'Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft'; 'Elecraft List'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Eric,

I'm going to pass on the Heil Proset headsets and let the dx/contest ops
share their "wants" with you. I'm a ragchewer and net op and this is what I
wish you could provide as an option:

1.) A desk mike.
2.) A matching power supply/speaker...with a quality+ speaker.

I hope you can come to the Charlotte, NC Hamfest with the K3 on March 8 & 9!

73,
Larry
WD4MBE




 

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Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic headsets
that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone like? Any
favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least one
or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Doug Person]

I get glowing reports on my K3 audio with the HC5 element. It would be 
very nice to have a K3-compatible plug-n-play desk mic with the HC5 element.


Also, I've had a bit of trouble finding 8-pin foster mic plugs.  This 
might be a nice thing for Elecraft to stock.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at 
least one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Larry Maguire]

Eric,

I'm going to pass on the Heil Proset headsets and let the dx/contest ops
share their "wants" with you. I'm a ragchewer and net op and this is what I
wish you could provide as an option:

1.) A desk mike.
2.) A matching power supply/speaker...with a quality+ speaker.

I hope you can come to the Charlotte, NC Hamfest with the K3 on March 8 & 9!

73,
Larry
WD4MBE




 

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Elecraft
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To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic headsets
that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone like? Any
favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least one
or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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[Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ


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