Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-24 Thread David Yarnes
FWIW, I use the same adapter, and have done so for a couple of years.  It 
works well with the K3.  You can also download drivers on the Belkin website 
if you need them.


Dave W7AQK

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I believe it is the only one they sell.  Tried to put the link in, but it 
is too big.


Belkin USB-to-Serial Portable Adapter
Item 597324 - Staples #
Model F5U409V1 - Belkin #

I do not know if it works from N3FJP, but it does work from N1MM when I 
have RTS-DTR set on the rig.  Just have to leave the rig off while the 
computer is booting up, or it keys.



Dave Wilburn
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K3/100 - S/N 766

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James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Thanks Dave. What model ?

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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I have a Belkin that I picked up recently at Staples.  It has worked 
well.



Dave Wilburn
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K3/100 - S/N 766

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James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Hello:


Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why software 
was

unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like my
usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until now.

When

I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with the

USB

adapters.


I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in time 
for

FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-24 Thread Brian Lloyd


On May 23, 2008, at 6:59 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:




Hello:

Well it appears I discovered that not all serial cables are built  
the same.
I took the Keyspan adapter and my laptop to my trusty K2, and sure  
enough,
it polled just fine. That left me wondering 'what's the difference  
between

the K2 and the K3?' Except for anything internal which I felt highly
unlikely, the answer was the cable itself. I called myself  
substituting a
cable earlier but later discovered that this cable was formerly used  
to

relay status information from a UPS. They are not true serial cables
apparently.

When I hooked up with what I KNEW to be a true serial cable to the  
K3, it

worked perfectly !

As for Vista - who knows ?!! It looks like it will require a  
purchase of an

up-to-date device and drivers. Jeez, I wish ham radios had USB ports !


Actually, you don't. Here is why.

Every company who wants to make their device USB Capable picks some  
off-the-wall USB-to-Serial adaptor (or worse). Now the one good thing  
about someone still using serial is that I only need one make/model of  
USB-to-Serial adaptor for ALL my RS-232 devices. That means one device  
and one driver. Now contrast that with 5 different radios with 5  
different USB interface chips from 5 different vendors. Can you say,  
5 different drivers, at least one chock full of bugs? I knew you  
could.


I have standardized on USB-to-serial adaptors based on the FTDI  
FT232RL chip. The ones I am using I got from Parallax and they work  
flawlessly. They are even serialized (serial number) and *always* come  
up as the same device regardless of where they get plugged into the USB.


So, pick one reliable USB-to-serial device and use it for everything  
and only have to install one driver. Think about it.





73, Jamie
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-24 Thread Rich (KE0X)

James:

Go to

www.keyspan.com/downloads/

Click on the model of the Keyspan adapter you have.

That should bring up a webpage of drivers for the various versions of
windows, including Vista.

My recently purchased Keyspan adapter had no Vista drivers - just a little
not directing me to the above. It included a utility to test the serial
port(s).  It also allows you to configure the ports and to make the comport
number the correct number to work with your software.  Also the Keyspan is
the only serial adapter I have found that installs properly (XP or Vista). 
Others gave a warning that it was not compatible (the install instructions
said to ignore this message and click on the continue button) which caused
numerous other problems, such as stealing properly configured interrupts and
com port assignments.


James C. Hall, MD-2 wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello:
 
 Well it appears I discovered that not all serial cables are built the
 same.
 I took the Keyspan adapter and my laptop to my trusty K2, and sure enough,
 it polled just fine. That left me wondering 'what's the difference between
 the K2 and the K3?' Except for anything internal which I felt highly
 unlikely, the answer was the cable itself. I called myself substituting a
 cable earlier but later discovered that this cable was formerly used to
 relay status information from a UPS. They are not true serial cables
 apparently.
 
 When I hooked up with what I KNEW to be a true serial cable to the K3, it
 worked perfectly !
 
 As for Vista - who knows ?!! It looks like it will require a purchase of
 an
 up-to-date device and drivers. Jeez, I wish ham radios had USB ports !
 
 73, Jamie
 WB4YDL
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-24 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Hello Rich and Brian and all:

Thanks so much for your information - I couldn't have done it without you.
Brian, your points are well taken of course. Rich, I have the much older
version of the Keyspan adapter and the Vista drivers for it just don't work.
I DID get the little USBGear (now Serial Gear) 2-port adapter to work on
Vista finally with the new drivers posted on that web site -
www.serialgear.com . Yep, it does have the FTDI chip.

So now we know ! Thanks all !

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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James:

Go to

www.keyspan.com/downloads/

Click on the model of the Keyspan adapter you have.

That should bring up a webpage of drivers for the various versions of
windows, including Vista.

My recently purchased Keyspan adapter had no Vista drivers - just a little
not directing me to the above. It included a utility to test the serial
port(s).  It also allows you to configure the ports and to make the comport
number the correct number to work with your software.  Also the Keyspan is
the only serial adapter I have found that installs properly (XP or Vista). 
Others gave a warning that it was not compatible (the install instructions
said to ignore this message and click on the continue button) which caused
numerous other problems, such as stealing properly configured interrupts and
com port assignments.


James C. Hall, MD-2 wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello:
 
 Well it appears I discovered that not all serial cables are built the
 same.
 I took the Keyspan adapter and my laptop to my trusty K2, and sure enough,
 it polled just fine. That left me wondering 'what's the difference between
 the K2 and the K3?' Except for anything internal which I felt highly
 unlikely, the answer was the cable itself. I called myself substituting a
 cable earlier but later discovered that this cable was formerly used to
 relay status information from a UPS. They are not true serial cables
 apparently.
 
 When I hooked up with what I KNEW to be a true serial cable to the K3, it
 worked perfectly !
 
 As for Vista - who knows ?!! It looks like it will require a purchase of
 an
 up-to-date device and drivers. Jeez, I wish ham radios had USB ports !
 
 73, Jamie
 WB4YDL
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread Jack Brindle
That is surprising. The Keyspan adapters are among the best in the  
industry. What are the symptoms, what were you trying to do, and what  
happened?

And, of course, what OS and drivers do you have?


On May 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:


Hello:



Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why  
software was
unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like  
my

usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until  
now. When
I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial  
port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with  
the USB

adapters.



I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in  
time for

FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.



73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread David Wilburn

I have a Belkin that I picked up recently at Staples.  It has worked well.


Dave Wilburn
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K3/100 - S/N 766

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James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Hello:

 


Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why software was
unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like my
usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until now. When
I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with the USB
adapters.

 


I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in time for
FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.

 


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Hi Jack:

I noticed while hooking up my laptop running WinXP SP3 and utilizing the
Keyspan 4-port adapter, that running N3FJP's FD software, I could not get
the rig interface to take. I tried different baud, stop bits, everything. It
just would not work. CW keying was excellent. Well I tried other software on
the laptop such as MixW and it also would not work with its CAT.

Well I tried a different serial cable and then a USBGear USB adapter and
nothing worked for rig interface. I took it to straight serial connection
and it worked right away.

I've got a Vista laptop to try and I'm going to load those Keyspan drivers
and see what happens.

Disappointing.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:20 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

That is surprising. The Keyspan adapters are among the best in the  
industry. What are the symptoms, what were you trying to do, and what  
happened?
And, of course, what OS and drivers do you have?


On May 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:

 Hello:



 Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why  
 software was
 unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like  
 my
 usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
 USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until  
 now. When
 I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial  
 port, it
 connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with  
 the USB
 adapters.



 I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in  
 time for
 FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.



 73, Jamie

 WB4YDL

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Thanks Dave. What model ?

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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I have a Belkin that I picked up recently at Staples.  It has worked well.


Dave Wilburn
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K3/100 - S/N 766

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James C. Hall, MD wrote:
 Hello:
 
  
 
 Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why software was
 unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like my
 usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
 USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until now.
When
 I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial port, it
 connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with the
USB
 adapters.
 
  
 
 I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in time for
 FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.
 
  
 
 73, Jamie
 
 WB4YDL
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread Jack Brindle
OK, so you identified a couple of things to look for. Does the adapter  
work with other rigs/devices under XP SP3?


There have been quite a few reports of problems with this update, I  
hope you haven't run into one. The latest Keyspan drivers for XP are  
dated July 4, 2007 - I presume you have those. By the way, the Keyspan  
driver files are different for XP and Vista, so be sure you have the  
right one for each OS.


I don't think I would give up quite yet on either device. There  
appears to be some sort of configuration problem, work through it and  
things _should_ work.


On May 23, 2008, at 3:53 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:


Hi Jack:

I noticed while hooking up my laptop running WinXP SP3 and utilizing  
the
Keyspan 4-port adapter, that running N3FJP's FD software, I could  
not get
the rig interface to take. I tried different baud, stop bits,  
everything. It
just would not work. CW keying was excellent. Well I tried other  
software on

the laptop such as MixW and it also would not work with its CAT.

Well I tried a different serial cable and then a USBGear USB adapter  
and
nothing worked for rig interface. I took it to straight serial  
connection

and it worked right away.

I've got a Vista laptop to try and I'm going to load those Keyspan  
drivers

and see what happens.

Disappointing.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-Original Message-
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:20 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

That is surprising. The Keyspan adapters are among the best in the
industry. What are the symptoms, what were you trying to do, and what
happened?
And, of course, what OS and drivers do you have?


On May 23, 2008, at 3:12 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:


Hello:



Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why
software was
unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like
my
usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until
now. When
I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial
port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with
the USB
adapters.



I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in
time for
FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.



73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Hi Jack:

Well the Vista driver was a bust. The 3.1c driver for the USA 49WLC just
gave a nice red X box and that was that. Nuts !

As for trying other devices on my WinXP SP3 laptop, yes, I just checked
email via Winlink with my KPC-3+ TNC connected via the Keyspan adapter. The
TNC initialized just fine and retrieved the email.

Still working on it...

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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To: James C. Hall, MD
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

OK, so you identified a couple of things to look for. Does the adapter  
work with other rigs/devices under XP SP3?

There have been quite a few reports of problems with this update, I  
hope you haven't run into one. The latest Keyspan drivers for XP are  
dated July 4, 2007 - I presume you have those. By the way, the Keyspan  
driver files are different for XP and Vista, so be sure you have the  
right one for each OS.

I don't think I would give up quite yet on either device. There  
appears to be some sort of configuration problem, work through it and  
things _should_ work.



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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread James C. Hall, MD


Hello:

Well it appears I discovered that not all serial cables are built the same.
I took the Keyspan adapter and my laptop to my trusty K2, and sure enough,
it polled just fine. That left me wondering 'what's the difference between
the K2 and the K3?' Except for anything internal which I felt highly
unlikely, the answer was the cable itself. I called myself substituting a
cable earlier but later discovered that this cable was formerly used to
relay status information from a UPS. They are not true serial cables
apparently.

When I hooked up with what I KNEW to be a true serial cable to the K3, it
worked perfectly !

As for Vista - who knows ?!! It looks like it will require a purchase of an
up-to-date device and drivers. Jeez, I wish ham radios had USB ports !

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread Jack Brindle

Whew. That sounds great. We are truly glad it is working.

Microsoft now allows folks to downgrade from Vista to XP if they  
have a copy of XP media to use. I don't know how the downgrade works,  
but it gives you a fully licensed version of XP on the machine. I  
guess lots of folks aren't very happy with Vista, although I am sure  
the fine engineers at Microsoft are working to remedy things there.


Glad things are working out. If we can help more, just shout!



On May 23, 2008, at 6:59 PM, James C. Hall, MD wrote:




Hello:

Well it appears I discovered that not all serial cables are built  
the same.
I took the Keyspan adapter and my laptop to my trusty K2, and sure  
enough,
it polled just fine. That left me wondering 'what's the difference  
between

the K2 and the K3?' Except for anything internal which I felt highly
unlikely, the answer was the cable itself. I called myself  
substituting a
cable earlier but later discovered that this cable was formerly used  
to

relay status information from a UPS. They are not true serial cables
apparently.

When I hooked up with what I KNEW to be a true serial cable to the  
K3, it

worked perfectly !

As for Vista - who knows ?!! It looks like it will require a  
purchase of an

up-to-date device and drivers. Jeez, I wish ham radios had USB ports !

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread David Wilburn
I believe it is the only one they sell.  Tried to put the link in, but 
it is too big.


Belkin USB-to-Serial Portable Adapter
Item 597324 - Staples #
Model F5U409V1 - Belkin #

I do not know if it works from N3FJP, but it does work from N1MM when 
I have RTS-DTR set on the rig.  Just have to leave the rig off while 
the computer is booting up, or it keys.



Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

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never know.



James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Thanks Dave. What model ?

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

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I have a Belkin that I picked up recently at Staples.  It has worked well.


Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

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never know.



James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Hello:

 


Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why software was
unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like my
usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until now.

When

I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with the

USB

adapters.

 


I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in time for
FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.

 


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

2008-05-23 Thread David Wilburn

Also, I am running XP SP3.


Dave Wilburn
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K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

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James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Thanks Dave. What model ?

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:37 PM
To: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB-serial adapter recommendation

I have a Belkin that I picked up recently at Staples.  It has worked well.


Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982
K3/100 - S/N 766

For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will 
never know.



James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Hello:

 


Well, after trying several permutations to try and figure why software was
unable to poll freq/mode, I have discovered that the K3 doesn't like my
usb-serial port adapters. I have two available - Keyspan 4-port and a
USBGear 2-port. Both have worked admirably with everything - until now.

When

I re-hooked my K3 back to the shack computer with a true serial port, it
connected immediately - no sweat. CW keying was never a problem with the

USB

adapters.

 


I need to find a USB-serial adapter that WILL work with the K3 in time for
FD. I hate this because these adapters worked so well with the K2.

 


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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